An apology to Roath Magic

Its easy to have a go specially a club that unfortunately finds itself in our situation.

You can only transparently see one other club in the same situation as us and that being Hull. There are other clubs in similar situations that are not so transparent. Newcastle comes to mind and I say this from knowing a few Newcastle fans who keep informing me of what Ashley is trying to do to them by removing their history in a quiet way. Leicester is another club who if you look closely are advertising thier owners country just as much as us. The Thais at Leicester get away with it because they have not made that obvious step that has happened with us.

Personally I dont think we are any different to other clubs. We have put up resistance just as much as any other club would have. Well a number of us have, the same number at Hull and I would reckon the same number at any other club if they found themselves in our shoes. I think you will find that what outsiders expect us to do is what they see when clubs are in dire straights like unavoidable administration.

To say we are not doing enough is just short sightedness. I don't see our ground a sea of red which is the wish of the owner so we must be doing something right.

Your club has had far more done to it that those you mention though Ian. I don't think any of the clubs you mention would accept a complete rebrand as readily. The club is barely recognisable and its sad to see, genuinely.

As I said in a thread earlier. Any opposition has been quite wishy washy and lacked any sort of conviction. Many who held the opinions of the protesters seemingly wanted it to fail so they could continue as it is. Although I think many hate what the club has become they are also punch drunk on the "kudos" of being a Premier League club.

Lets not forget that it was fans opinion that swayed Tan to continue with his rebranding after initially saying it would not go ahead. You cant say that about any of the clubs you mention.

Take a look at what you did for Malky. 90 minute chanting and stayed after the game for 40 minutes in support of him. That was a manager of 2 years who was probably rightly getting his marching orders in honesty. Yet there isn't a whimper about changing your club from blue to red and doubling the debt (the reason many claim as the reason for accepting the rebrand in the first place).

It is my firm belief, if you clubbed together as fans then you would get what you want. However it seems the ones who claim they want the blue back also dont want to give away the trappings that come with Tans regime. I think people need to decide what they hold as most important because at the moment everybody wants to have their cake and eat it, and its the club that is suffering.

You have an audience here and a major platform in the form of the forum and a lot of respected and influential people here who hold these opinions. You should use it and save your club. There is no way Tan will want to stick around with the embarrassment of constant protests - he may even decide that relenting and turning you back may be more beneficial than walking away. If you are all not enjoying it and feel the club is not yours anymore - what do you have to lose?

You should take advantage of premier league status and the media attention it brings, they will be all over you like a rash in your favour and it can be used as major pressure on Tan who does not like to be humiliated. He may have yes men all around him who tell him what he wants to hear, but the british press wont, especially when they are constantly bemoaning foreign ownership.

Too much moaning and excuse making for me amazed at the amount of people saying they are giving up and walking away in recent days.. Its your club, take it back.

How correct you, won't happen though the majority just can't see it.

I think the majority do see it Daya, its just most of them choose to ignore it as taking action could mean the club not competing at a high level for a little while as it recovers.

While they hate what the club has become they cant bear the thought of not being seen as a big club, its been the mantra for Cardiff City fans for years. Which is why attendances and capital cities are the go to discussion topic. All irrelevant really, but it is the brovado that gets displayed.

Not only the owner needs to be ousted but so does the mentality of the fans. Its self destructive.

It reminds me of a young boy wanting to be seen as a superstar so moves to the bright lights of London and pretending he can afford to live a lavish lifestyle racking up credit card debts and loans to feed it that he simply cant afford while being taken advatange of by hangers on... He knows its ruining him but cant bear the thought of having to admit reality, leave the lifestyle behind and move back to Wales.

Sometimes you just have to realise whats going on, swallow your pride, say enough is enough and start again and most importantly - with a changed attitude. Lessons must be learned otherwise it will just keep happening. There is no point in getting promotion if you cant sustain it or have a model for longevity. Its just pointless and a waste of time.

I think the majority do see it Daya, its just most of them choose to ignore it as taking action could mean the club not competing at a high level for a little while as it recovers.

While they hate what the club has become they cant bear the thought of not being seen as a big club, its been the mantra for Cardiff City fans for years. Which is why attendances and capital cities are the go to discussion topic. All irrelevant really, but it is the brovado that gets displayed.

Not only the owner needs to be ousted but so does the mentality of the fans. Its self destructive.

It reminds me of a young boy wanting to be seen as a superstar so moves to the bright lights of London and pretending he can afford to live a lavish lifestyle racking up credit card debts and loans to feed it that he simply cant afford while being taken advatange of by hangers on... He knows its ruining him but cant bear the thought of having to admit reality, leave the lifestyle behind and move back to Wales.

Sometimes you just have to realise whats going on, swallow your pride, say enough is enough and start again and most importantly - with a changed attitude. Lessons must be learned otherwise it will just keep happening. There is no point in getting promotion if you cant sustain it or have a model for longevity. Its just pointless and a waste of time.

correct roath.it has to be sustainable.i heard blues last season in the prem something like 90 odd % of our income went on wages.even if we stayed up cloth would have had to be cut.you cannot run a club like that.i like the swansea /w.b.a model.

Indeed.

When Cardiff were in the Championship their wage bill was 127% of income. Thats ridiculous and you are hanicapping your long terms goals in an instant. You are basically saying, without loans we cannot exist. But instead of stopping and solving the problem, making it worse by signing olayers on more and more money.

I think the last time I checked our wage to income was in the 60% range which is very healthy and a very sustainable model for longevity.

Indeed.

When Cardiff were in the Championship their wage bill was 127% of income. Thats ridiculous and you are hanicapping your long terms goals in an instant. You are basically saying, without loans we cannot exist. But instead of stopping and solving the problem, making it worse by signing olayers on more and more money.

I think the last time I checked our wage to income was in the 60% range which is very healthy and a very sustainable model for longevity.

60% is under the fair play guidelines i think so yes it,s good.problem is when its 90 odd or 127% everything is either stacked up on either staying in the prem or gaining promotion to it.tbf carson would have expected blues to stay up after winning the cup.we should have done but the eggs were well and truely in one basket.players like hleb on 70pw.injured a lot.the totally useless bentley on 60k pw.never mind martins.these were just the loanees couple that to the fact carson obvisously never really had the money he claimed to have you can see why it ended in tears.sounds a bit familar doesnt it?

Say what you want about him but he does make a good post.Irritating, yes.Persistent, yes but in these tough times for your club he's bound to annoy the majority on here for speaking the truth.Maybe he should now stay as roath magic and forget all the crap in banning him as it clearly doesn't work.And if we're all honest about it i bet nearly everyone on this board will read his posts.

Let him post as Roath Magic and just don't respond if he gets to you that much.It really isn't difficult.

correct chris.roath is very on the ball most of the time.i love reading his stuff.gets bogged down sometimes with his stalkers but generally he is on the money.like you say if you dont fancy it dont read it.the jacks take the piss at times a little which is to be expected but to a man they have encouraged cardiff lads to stick two fingers up to tan.same as i have.we,ve all been consistant.there are some great cardiff lads on here.blue to the core.i feel for them.plain wrong whats going on at the ccs

Jeff,couldn't have put it better myself man It's exactly how i see it especially Cardiffs plight.

I honestly believe your club is too big now to do anything about it.Back in the 80's and 90's Tan would have been gone by now, ousted by your lunatic element.These headers are now either banned or law abiding citizens and are hugely outnumbered by Tan happy clappers.It could happen to us with similar results.Too many plastics who have no history to our clubs.As long as your in the PL and somewhat successful then Tan will remain.

I honestly believe your club is too big now to do anything about it.Back in the 80's and 90's Tan would have been gone by now, ousted by your lunatic element.These headers are now either banned or law abiding citizens and are hugely outnumbered by Tan happy clappers.It could happen to us with similar results.Too many plastics who have no history to our clubs.As long as your in the PL and somewhat successful then Tan will remain.

As long as tan pumps money into the club he will remain.

I would say most fans want Tan gone. If for instance someone came along and bought him out he would be forgotten overnight and I mean total oblivion. You can feel the vibes in the ground against him. No one shouts for him to do the Ayatolllah and that is a sign of someones popularity amongst us, just like you guys shout "you jack b*stard". This season I have heard the phase "Tan Out" but that has come from a small section of the vocal Canton stand but has not had the continued support of the rest of the ground. That tells me there is a fear factor if Tan goes what happens about the money. 99% of us don't want Tans regime but the feasr of the consequences is keeping this riot at bay.

I personally don't think it is all that serious now. Life without Tan would be acheivable. People say he could asset strip us to get his money back. That I very much doubt he would do as he would only see a small return. He would be better off keeping Cardiff successful for a return. However if he wants the crap of the mud being slung at him via media reports to see a return of his money then he is doing a good job with that now. If he wants a peaceful life then he would be better off selling on to a person who has a viable business plan to keep us up quaranteeing him his money.

Indeed.

When Cardiff were in the Championship their wage bill was 127% of income. Thats ridiculous and you are hanicapping your long terms goals in an instant. You are basically saying, without loans we cannot exist. But instead of stopping and solving the problem, making it worse by signing olayers on more and more money.

I think the last time I checked our wage to income was in the 60% range which is very healthy and a very sustainable model for longevity.

60% is under the fair play guidelines i think so yes it,s good.problem is when its 90 odd or 127% everything is either stacked up on either staying in the prem or gaining promotion to it.tbf carson would have expected blues to stay up after winning the cup.we should have done but the eggs were well and truely in one basket.players like hleb on 70pw.injured a lot.the totally useless bentley on 60k pw.never mind martins.these were just the loanees couple that to the fact carson obvisously never really had the money he claimed to have you can see why it ended in tears.sounds a bit familar doesnt it?

None of our players are on that much Jeff plus we have a man who definitely has the money.

Basically Tan is speculating to accumulate. Yes it has cost him so far although now with tv rights it is not so much if anything. His business plan is something to do with the Far East and if it works it will be a goldmine for him. It is what that is out there that worries me.

Indeed.

When Cardiff were in the Championship their wage bill was 127% of income. Thats ridiculous and you are hanicapping your long terms goals in an instant. You are basically saying, without loans we cannot exist. But instead of stopping and solving the problem, making it worse by signing olayers on more and more money.

I think the last time I checked our wage to income was in the 60% range which is very healthy and a very sustainable model for longevity.

60% is under the fair play guidelines i think so yes it,s good.problem is when its 90 odd or 127% everything is either stacked up on either staying in the prem or gaining promotion to it.tbf carson would have expected blues to stay up after winning the cup.we should have done but the eggs were well and truely in one basket.players like hleb on 70pw.injured a lot.the totally useless bentley on 60k pw.never mind martins.these were just the loanees couple that to the fact carson obvisously never really had the money he claimed to have you can see why it ended in tears.sounds a bit familar doesnt it?[/qu
None of our players are on that much Jeff plus we have a man who definitely has the money.

Basically Tan is speculating to accumulate. Yes it has cost him so far although now with tv rights it is not so much if anything. His business plan is something to do with the Far East and if it works it will be a goldmine for him. It is what that is out there that worries me.

i think most of ours struggled along on 20/30k pw mate .yes tan defo has the cash.we didnt know carson was so skint.relegation brought it out in the open or more to the point his arrest.i think he paid 80m for blues.whilst he,s been under island arrest he has had transfer fees allegedly sent to h.k.also each parachute payment is alleged to have gone to h.k.it,s the last one soon.should be near the 60 or 70 m mark now.i believe he was never going to sell up while the payments were still landing.carson has basically payed pannu a million a yr to sort crap and get him some dollar back.if tan lost interest through relegation derailing his float plan he could sell assets even though they nowhere near 150m and sit back and collect parachute payments whilst scaleling you down big time players wise.look at blues.loanee city but we shouldnt go down.of course if a promotion was fluked then happy days then for either carson or tan.there are a few scenorios ian.chris-b6 is correct though.the old heads are tamed by life or banned and the new fan is a diff animal.we had it too.when in the prem particularly with bruce it would be touch and go if they would have rejected a rebrand .i think we,d have shown more fight than you but not nailed on.the main firm wouldnt have swallowed it though im sure.we lost a lot of prem/top champ fans so if a rebrand happened mow im sure we would resist.as chris says ,even at the liberty now it would be a lot harder to resist cos the newer fan as only known relative success and wants to keep it.some older fans too have swung this way.im gutted for you and the lads ian.when we in the ibis at brum last season you top of the champ and you all sick with the rebrand.should be the best time of yr football lives now and it,s a shambolic nightmare

Well done it takes a big man to apologise. You deserve to have a little "Chuckle" to yourself down the pub tonight.

I personally don't think it is all that serious now. Life without Tan would be acheivable. People say he could asset strip us to get his money back. That I very much doubt he would do as he would only see a small return. He would be better off keeping Cardiff successful for a return. However if he wants the crap of the mud being slung at him via media reports to see a return of his money then he is doing a good job with that now. If he wants a peaceful life then he would be better off selling on to a person who has a viable business plan to keep us up quaranteeing him his money.

Ive heard a few say that asset stripping wouldnt give much of a return. Its simply not true.

- £20m parachute payments
- £8m season ticket sales
- £40m players sales (medel, caulker and Mutch would brng in £20m alone)
- £12m AT LEAST for his shares, probably more.
- £10m for long term sponsorship deals set up for his interests (shirt sponsor, stadium sponsor etc)
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£90 million
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He will also have land and real estate he could auction off of lease back to the club. His £100m investment is covered, I can assure you. Everything is calculated to make sure whatever he lends you, he can get back.

Now think about the following......

You say there is a potential goldmine in Asia. Where exactly? And how does he tap into it?

The only way that can happen is of he turns the club into a top 4 champions league side to tap into the market. You dont tap into that market by being a bottom half club that plays in red - ask Stoke.

He clearly thought upon promotion that is exactly what you would be. He has realised it is not as simple as other businesses and football is a different animal. He has learned the hard way and upon relegation will HAVE TO get out ASAP. Im a businessman myself and im telling you, that is the only play.

What does he gain if he stays on? He loses £20m in the Championship and best case scenario is you get promoted and he loses more money again in the Premiership as he has found out this year (you are on course for another heffty loss).

You need to rid youself of him. And build slowly and within your means - otherwise you will just be jumping from the pan into the flames. Its pointless.

I personally don't think it is all that serious now. Life without Tan would be acheivable. People say he could asset strip us to get his money back. That I very much doubt he would do as he would only see a small return. He would be better off keeping Cardiff successful for a return. However if he wants the crap of the mud being slung at him via media reports to see a return of his money then he is doing a good job with that now. If he wants a peaceful life then he would be better off selling on to a person who has a viable business plan to keep us up quaranteeing him his money.

Ive heard a few say that asset stripping wouldnt give much of a return. Its simply not true.

- £20m parachute payments
- £8m season ticket sales
- £40m players sales (medel, caulker and Mutch would brng in £20m alone)
- £12m AT LEAST for his shares, probably more.
- £10m for long term sponsorship deals set up for his interests (shirt sponsor, stadium sponsor etc)
................................
£90 million
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None of this is guaranteed.

He will also have land and real estate he could auction off of lease back to the club.
No he doesn't.


Now think about the following......

You say there is a potential goldmine in Asia. Where exactly? And how does he tap into it?

Simply floating right and TV media out in the Malaysian market....providing he makes CCFC successful.
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I personally don't think it is all that serious now. Life without Tan would be acheivable. People say he could asset strip us to get his money back. That I very much doubt he would do as he would only see a small return. He would be better off keeping Cardiff successful for a return. However if he wants the crap of the mud being slung at him via media reports to see a return of his money then he is doing a good job with that now. If he wants a peaceful life then he would be better off selling on to a person who has a viable business plan to keep us up quaranteeing him his money.

Ive heard a few say that asset stripping wouldnt give much of a return. Its simply not true.

- £20m parachute payments
- £8m season ticket sales
- £40m players sales (medel, caulker and Mutch would brng in £20m alone)
- £12m AT LEAST for his shares, probably more.
- £10m for long term sponsorship deals set up for his interests (shirt sponsor, stadium sponsor etc)
................................
£90 million
................................
None of this is guaranteed.

which bit isnt guaranteed. I thought i was quite conservative.

Most of it is a certainty.

The two speculative figures are player sales and shares value.

I dont think ere is any way you would get less than £40m for your players.

And the shares. The company will essentially be debt free, championship club with £30m parachute money guaranteed for the next 2 years. £12m is a no brainer for a buyer and massively undervaluing it. H could probably get £20 mill.

He will also have land and real estate he could auction off of lease back to the club.
No he doesn't.

he owns your training ground.

Now think about the following......

You say there is a potential goldmine in Asia. Where exactly? And how does he tap into it?

Simply floating right and TV media out in the Malaysian market....providing he makes CCFC successful.

[color=#0000FF]the float will not make money, its a very risky thing to do. It will never generate the figures needed to make it viable. To make CCFC successful enough to profit from the far easy market, you are probably looking at £300m investment on the pitch not including £100m a year on wages.

It is must not realistic what so ever.


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I think the apology should be done on your real username to add some real sorrow over the matter and show you are a big man.

To me to you...

The "hypocrisy" is to much to take