CARDIFF'S SEASON OF CELEBRATION GOING HORRIBLY WRONG

You are right roathie looking after family is not a hobby it is compulsory. When they are very young though they also take up most of your free time, things get put down the pecking order, things I enjoy more will come first, watching football isn't all that for me inbetween mountain biking, wing Chung, playing football, watching bands etc... Have you got kids?
I haven't been regularly for 10 years or more, I guess it's just a natural fade, chapters and all that. I will still follow our fortunes forever and will always be a bluebird....

Nope not got kids, me and the missus are too selfish for kids. We have too much we want to do, neither of us really want them to be honest and probably never will.

Probably why football and sport in general is still right up there in my life. I come back now and again to catch a match but its not the same as having a season ticket and travelling away. The only positive of being away is every match both home and away is screened live on TV and the missus is a huge fan too.

Funny that people just fade from something they are once so passionate about.

Its no good just looking at Cardiffs fixtures and thinking ooh they need x amount of points and this is where they need to get them from. Trying to predict how many points is required and where your getting them from is stupid IMO. Now is the time where you are looking at the table, looking at your fixtures, your opponents fixtures etc.

We are one win away from getting out of the bottom 3. Once your out its about keeping your head above the water. For example the next 2 round of fixtures including teams who are far from safe are:

Arsenal V Sunderland
Cardiff V Hull
Man City V Stoke
West Brom V Fulham
West Ham V Southampton
Crystal Palace V Man Utd
Liverpool V Swansea
Newcastle V Aston Villa
Norwich V Tottenham

Looking at those, its clear that Cardiff have a very good chance of getting a 3 pt gain on the majority of our relegation rivals. I dont see West Ham, Villa and the jacks getting relegated to be honest but they are still close in that a couple of bad results puts them back in the shit.

After that we face a daunting trip to in-form Spurs. Theres a high possibility we will be getting sweet FA from this fixture, you never know but pretty much every man and his dog will have us down to get beat. So looking at the fixtures:

Everton V West Ham
Fulham V Chelsea
Hull V Newcastle
Stoke V Arsenal
Sunderland P-P West Brom
Aston Villa V Norwich
Swansea V Crystal Palace
Tottenham V Cardiff

Whilst there is a very good chance we will get nothing. Theres a very good chance that most of our rivals will also get nothing.

Sunderlands game is postponed, their game last night against Man City was postponed. So they are going to have a lot of games coming up including a cup final. We have some tough games coming up but then so do our rivals. You cant just pick one team like the article in the OP picks solely us, you need to look at the bigger picture. Then it doesnt look half as bad as that link makes out.

Nice post

Its no good just looking at Cardiffs fixtures and thinking ooh they need x amount of points and this is where they need to get them from. Trying to predict how many points is required and where your getting them from is stupid IMO. Now is the time where you are looking at the table, looking at your fixtures, your opponents fixtures etc.

We are one win away from getting out of the bottom 3. Once your out its about keeping your head above the water. For example the next 2 round of fixtures including teams who are far from safe are:

Arsenal V Sunderland
Cardiff V Hull
Man City V Stoke
West Brom V Fulham
West Ham V Southampton
Crystal Palace V Man Utd
Liverpool V Swansea
Newcastle V Aston Villa
Norwich V Tottenham

Looking at those, its clear that Cardiff have a very good chance of getting a 3 pt gain on the majority of our relegation rivals. I dont see West Ham, Villa and the jacks getting relegated to be honest but they are still close in that a couple of bad results puts them back in the shit.

After that we face a daunting trip to in-form Spurs. Theres a high possibility we will be getting sweet FA from this fixture, you never know but pretty much every man and his dog will have us down to get beat. So looking at the fixtures:

Everton V West Ham
Fulham V Chelsea
Hull V Newcastle
Stoke V Arsenal
Sunderland P-P West Brom
Aston Villa V Norwich
Swansea V Crystal Palace
Tottenham V Cardiff

Whilst there is a very good chance we will get nothing. Theres a very good chance that most of our rivals will also get nothing.

Sunderlands game is postponed, their game last night against Man City was postponed. So they are going to have a lot of games coming up including a cup final. We have some tough games coming up but then so do our rivals. You cant just pick one team like the article in the OP picks solely us, you need to look at the bigger picture. Then it doesnt look half as bad as that link makes out.

This is true, no one at the bottom picks up many points but if they do they fly up the table like west ham and palace have. If we beat hull and get up a few places I believe we will just about scrape out of it. If we don't win then it's bye bye....

To be honest I really think a lot of it depends on us pushing out of that relegation zone, big boost to morale. If we beat hull, far from an easy game (to be realistic) results depending we could be clear. Sunderland and Palace have another game to play and so if we push past them we must bear that in mind, we could pile pressure on them for that remaining fixture (not easy for either team). Genuinely believe we CAN stay up, but that 16/17th spot is the big aim right now. Once we are free of relegation zone then we have a points target to at least stay up and out of it. These next few home games are the important ones, I pray we can get it right.

To be honest I really think a lot of it depends on us pushing out of that relegation zone, big boost to morale. If we beat hull, far from an easy game (to be realistic) results depending we could be clear. Sunderland and Palace have another game to play and so if we push past them we must bear that in mind, we could pile pressure on them for that remaining fixture (not easy for either team). Genuinely believe we CAN stay up, but that 16/17th spot is the big aim right now. Once we are free of relegation zone then we have a points target to at least stay up and out of it. These next few home games are the important ones, I pray we can get it right.

Spot on. That first sentence is vital.

To be honest I really think a lot of it depends on us pushing out of that relegation zone, big boost to morale. If we beat hull, far from an easy game (to be realistic) results depending we could be clear. Sunderland and Palace have another game to play and so if we push past them we must bear that in mind, we could pile pressure on them for that remaining fixture (not easy for either team). Genuinely believe we CAN stay up, but that 16/17th spot is the big aim right now. Once we are free of relegation zone then we have a points target to at least stay up and out of it. These next few home games are the important ones, I pray we can get it right.

Spot on. That first sentence is vital.

Agreed. 17th on GD is all we need, shame about the GD :')

Where in my post did I say no Cardiff fans were interested? You are making things up again William.
I said we didn't need a journalist to tell us we are in a difficult situation.

Where in my post did I say no Cardiff fans were interested? You are making things up again William.
I said we didn't need a journalist to tell us we are in a difficult situation.

What you said is irrelevant, my point is you are speaking for all cardiff fans when they are more than capable of doing that themselves. You said "no cardiff fans need a journalist" where you should have said "I dont need a journalist" and then left the thread as a result.

Back to the stupid "lying" and "william" play ground scene are we? You do realise you are lying every time you say william and claim you know the thoughts of every cardiff fan right?

You are a card Martyn. Now take your obsession to PM. This is a sensible thread

http://sport.bt.com/sportfootball/football/cardiffs-season-of-celebration-is-going-horribly-wrong-S11363874789585

Genuine topic for debate and thoughts, not for off topic point scoring and abuse. This is an article i came across, which raises some interesting points.

If the guy has called it right it is indeed grim reading.

He is suggesting you will probably get nothing from Spurs, Everton, Liverpool, Southampton, Newcastle and Chelsea.

Thus needing 17 points from the other seven games. Which needless to say, will be hugely difficult as that is Premier League winning form.

Do you think you can take enough from Spurs, Everton, Liverpool, Saints and Chelsea to ease the pressure to the other 6 games? If so, where do you see those points coming?

Discuss.

It's not 17 pts from 6 games, it's 17 from 12 games. You can't dismiss half the games as defeats and then say the form required to get enough points is PL winning form

http://sport.bt.com/sportfootball/football/cardiffs-season-of-celebration-is-going-horribly-wrong-S11363874789585

Genuine topic for debate and thoughts, not for off topic point scoring and abuse. This is an article i came across, which raises some interesting points.

If the guy has called it right it is indeed grim reading.

He is suggesting you will probably get nothing from Spurs, Everton, Liverpool, Southampton, Newcastle and Chelsea.

Thus needing 17 points from the other seven games. Which needless to say, will be hugely difficult as that is Premier League winning form.

Do you think you can take enough from Spurs, Everton, Liverpool, Saints and Chelsea to ease the pressure to the other 6 games? If so, where do you see those points coming?

Discuss.

It's not 17 pts from 6 games, it's 17 from 12 games. You can't dismiss half the games as defeats and then say the form required to get enough points is PL winning form

I didnt say that. Did you read the post?

I said HE reckons if you will get nothing from the games mentioned, in which case you would need about 17 points from the remaining games.

I then went on to ask whether you think you will get enough from the tricky games to ease the burden on the winnable games. Come on now Caprs, tut tut.

http://sport.bt.com/sportfootball/football/cardiffs-season-of-celebration-is-going-horribly-wrong-S11363874789585

Genuine topic for debate and thoughts, not for off topic point scoring and abuse. This is an article i came across, which raises some interesting points.

If the guy has called it right it is indeed grim reading.

He is suggesting you will probably get nothing from Spurs, Everton, Liverpool, Southampton, Newcastle and Chelsea.

Thus needing 17 points from the other seven games. Which needless to say, will be hugely difficult as that is Premier League winning form.

Do you think you can take enough from Spurs, Everton, Liverpool, Saints and Chelsea to ease the pressure to the other 6 games? If so, where do you see those points coming?

Discuss.

It's not 17 pts from 6 games, it's 17 from 12 games. You can't dismiss half the games as defeats and then say the form required to get enough points is PL winning form

I didnt say that. Did you read the post?

I said HE reckons if you will get nothing from the games mentioned, in which case you would need about 17 points from the remaining games.

I then went on to ask whether you think you will get enough from the tricky games to ease the burden on the winnable games. Come on now Caprs, tut tut.

I quote:
"Thus needing 17 points from the other seven games. Which needless to say, will be hugely difficult as that is Premier League winning form."

How is that PL winning form when interspersed with getting 17 points are 6 defeats?

I quote:
"Thus needing 17 points from the other seven games. Which needless to say, will be hugely difficult as that is Premier League winning form."

How is that PL winning form when interspersed with getting 17 points are 6 defeats?

He discarded them as he didnt think you would get any points from them.

So in the 7 games we mention you need 5 wins and 2 draws.... Which is a superb return and incrediby difficult to do considering you will also be these teams "targeted points".

Not a tricky concept im sure you will agree... Or are you just being pedantic again, ignoring the point and hung up on the "form" thing?

It is no obsession William, I clearly didn't speak for all Cardiff fans. It is quite obvious from our league position we are in for a difficult end of season. Do you really believe there is a single City fan out there that does not realise that we are in danger of being relegated? Are you really saying that there are supporters out there who need to read a lazy bit of journalism to acknowledge that fact?
I sense the condescension inherent in your attitude, the response to Carpe is ludicrously patronising and indicative of your motivation for posting this article for discussion.
Seventeen points from twelve games is not promotion winning form, the journalist has written off six of those games as potential sources of points. I wish I could be so certain about things in life, considering players and mangers will be fighting for survival in the Premier League. If you don't like the William thing, simply refer to me by the name I have chosen to post under.
The simple fact was you credited me with posting something I did not say, therefore logically you made that reference up. You called it lying, I didn't, I indicated you had attributed me with an expression I had not used.

It is no obsession William, I clearly didn't speak for all Cardiff fans.



For someone not obsessed you dont half act like it, back again? Seriously? Heck your post history and make a case that you arent obsessed

Martyn, now then... Are you seriously telling me your comment "no cardiff city fan needs a journalist" wasnt speaking for cardiff city fans as a whole?

It is quite obvious from our league position we are in for a difficult end of season. Do you really believe there is a single City fan out there that does not realise that we are in danger of being relegated?

the article is nothing to do with the danger of relegation. The article is to show what one man thinks you need to achieve in order to survive. Yet you seem offended by this.

Are you really saying that there are supporters out there who need to read a lazy bit of journalism to acknowledge that fact?

it is nit about "need" it is about interest. There is a sticky every weeks on "what the pundits are saying" so you are quite clearly mistaken in your deduction that there is no interest.

Also... How do you know he is lazy?

I sense the condescension inherent in your attitude, the response to Carpe is ludicrously patronising and indicative of your motivation for posting this article for discussion.

i am a patronising guy when people purposely take the subject off topic in order to challenge their hero. Something you have got used to by now im sure

Seventeen points from twelve games is not promotion winning form, the journalist has written off six of those games as potential sources of points. I wish I could be so certain about things in life, considering players and mangers will be fighting for survival in the Premier League.

it is a journalistic piece Martyn, if you disagree then thats fine. Why you feel the need to continue telling us you disagree without taking the discussion anywhere is beyond me.

If you don't like the William thing, simply refer to me by the name I have chosen to post under.

who says I don't like it? My name isnt William but you may call me any name you wish, its like me calling you Ryan... Hardly going to lose sleep over it

I was making the observation that the motive behind calling me a name of which you dont know to be mine is another act straight off the play ground. But so is sticking your tongue out, but that wouldnt offend me either. Go nuts Martyn

The simple fact was you credited me with posting something I did not say, therefore logically you made that reference up. You called it lying, I didn't, I indicated you had attributed me with an expression I had not used.

if all else fails try to be pedantic. Good effort what you said exactly is irrelevant, my point being you were attempting to speak for every cardiff city fan... Which needless to say it ridiculous and could also be construed as lying... As well as saying my name is william. Contradiction, look it up

Pedantic I maybe, but I clearly didn't speak for all Cardiff City fans. I said once again a Cardiff City fan just needs to look at the table to see we are in danger of relegation, we don't need a journalist pointing that out to us.
You are saying I am taking this thread off post and yet in each of my posts I clearly refer to the journalist and the article.
You use these ridiculous childish tactics of referring to obsession and derailing threads when someone has the intelligence to identify your WUM tactics.
You have to try to prove you're ever so clever all the time at the expense of Cardiff City and the club's supporters,'we really do need to find another hobby, I find you tedious, insidious and arrogant.

Pedantic I maybe, but I clearly didn't speak for all Cardiff City fans. I said once again a Cardiff City fan just needs to look at the table to see we are in danger of relegation, we don't need a journalist pointing that out to us.

No. You said, and I quote:-

"Cardiff City fans do not need the words of a journalist"

Now by all means say YOU dont need the words of a journalist. Then we can know where you stand and understand why you arent contributing to the thread as a result.... However, instead you have decided to speak for everyone, turn a thread into self indulgent roathie nonsense.... all the while saying you dont care?? Maybe it makes sense to you then.

You are saying I am taking this thread off post and yet in each of my posts I clearly refer to the journalist and the article. You use these ridiculous childish tactics of referring to obsession and derailing threads when someone has the intelligence to identify your WUM tactics.

everybody can see you are obsessed, im not the first to tell you. If someone else had posted this you wouldn't have said anything, and I have every confidence in that. You see my name and you cant help yourself.

You have to try to prove you're ever so clever all the time at the expense of Cardiff City and the club's supporters,'we really do need to find another hobby, I find you tedious, insidious and arrogant.

by posting an article?

For someone who is tedious your insistent need to engage me in futile and contradictory conversation is incessant

It is getting tough, but I saw a big improvement in the first half against Villa and we were very unlucky not to be two up. I think we will just do it Fulham and Norwich will go down, then one of about five. A few teams just above us had much harder fixtures, Including Sunderland. It's still too early to predict, good results at home to Hull and Fulham are probably key to the end of the Eason, we will have a better idea at that point......

It is getting tough, but I saw a big improvement in the first half against Villa and we were very unlucky not to be two up. I think we will just do it Fulham and Norwich will go down, then one of about five. A few teams just above us had much harder fixtures, Including Sunderland. It's still too early to predict, good results at home to Hull and Fulham are probably key to the end of the Eason, we will have a better idea at that point......

I quote:
"Thus needing 17 points from the other seven games. Which needless to say, will be hugely difficult as that is Premier League winning form."

How is that PL winning form when interspersed with getting 17 points are 6 defeats?

He discarded them as he didnt think you would get any points from them.

So in the 7 games we mention you need 5 wins and 2 draws.... Which is a superb return and incrediby difficult to do considering you will also be these teams "targeted points".

Not a tricky concept im sure you will agree... Or are you just being pedantic again, ignoring the point and hung up on the "form" thing?

Far from ignoring the point, I'm asking you how winning 5 home games and 2 draws (1 now) but losing 6 away games is PL winning form? Which by the way was your comment and one not made in the article.

Will Chelsea or Man City win the title if they win 5 home games, draw 1 and lose 6 out of the last 12?

Difficult for us yes, and I for one think we will be relegated, but I'm picking you up on your exaggerated point that we somehow need PL winning form when clearly it isn't.

Care to revise your assertion or swerve the question as usual?

looking at the table and the fixtures coming up, a win against Hull might well take us to 17th, that alone can completely change the mentality really. Then with Spurs away after that, but sunderland not playing a league game again we can still be outside that bottom three (albiet having played more games) i do think it could make a difference to the mood around the ground in crucial home matches, though winning against hull wont be easy.

looking at the table and the fixtures coming up, a win against Hull might well take us to 17th, that alone can completely change the mentality really. Then with Spurs away after that, but sunderland not playing a league game again we can still be outside that bottom three (albiet having played more games) i do think it could make a difference to the mood around the ground in crucial home matches, though winning against hull wont be easy.

We need a minimum of 10 from the next 4 home games IMO. Can't see it.

Far from ignoring the point, I'm asking you how winning 5 home games and 2 draws (1 now) but losing 6 away games is PL winning form? Which by the way was your comment and one not made in the article.

of course you are ignoring the point. The point being that from your 7 "winnable games" to get 17 points you will need a return of 5 wins and 2 draws. That alone is league winning form. However that isnt the point is it now carps

"Form" doesnt have to be a sequence of games. You can look back and see "form against top 6" if you so wish. Here we are discussing form in "winnable games".

Will Chelsea or Man City win the title if they win 5 home games, draw 1 and lose 6 out of the last 12?

no, but if we take a select 7 games and they win 5 and draw 2 of them, then that alone is probably the form of champions.

Difficult for us yes, and I for one think we will be relegated, but I'm picking you up on your exaggerated point that we somehow need PL winning form when clearly it isn't.

it is not an exaggerated point at all. Hence why I then asked "can you get enough from the write off games to ease the burden of the winnable games" if you lose those games he says you will. Then if you take those 7 games, you will need the collective result of championship form to survive.

If you take some points from the "write off games" then your performance against the "winnable games" wont have to be so emphatic.



Care to revise your assertion or swerve the question as usual?

absolutely not. Its a fairly straight forward concept.

Far from ignoring the point, I'm asking you how winning 5 home games and 2 draws (1 now) but losing 6 away games is PL winning form? Which by the way was your comment and one not made in the article.

of course you are ignoring the point. The point being that from your 7 "winnable games" to get 17 points you will need a return of 5 wins and 2 draws. That alone is league winning form. However that isnt the point is it now carps

"Form" doesnt have to be a sequence of games. You can look back and see "form against top 6" if you so wish. Here we are discussing form in "winnable games".

Will Chelsea or Man City win the title if they win 5 home games, draw 1 and lose 6 out of the last 12?

no, but if we take a select 7 games and they win 5 and draw 2 of them, then that alone is probably the form of champions.

Difficult for us yes, and I for one think we will be relegated, but I'm picking you up on your exaggerated point that we somehow need PL winning form when clearly it isn't.

it is not an exaggerated point at all. Hence why I then asked "can you get enough from the write off games to ease the burden of the winnable games" if you lose those games he says you will. Then if you take those 7 games, you will need the collective result of championship form to survive.

If you take some points from the "write off games" then your performance against the "winnable games" wont have to be so emphatic.



Care to revise your assertion or swerve the question as usual?

absolutely not. Its a fairly straight forward concept.

You win hands down Roathy

Far from ignoring the point, I'm asking you how winning 5 home games and 2 draws (1 now) but losing 6 away games is PL winning form? Which by the way was your comment and one not made in the article.

of course you are ignoring the point. The point being that from your 7 "winnable games" to get 17 points you will need a return of 5 wins and 2 draws. That alone is league winning form. However that isnt the point is it now carps

"Form" doesnt have to be a sequence of games. You can look back and see "form against top 6" if you so wish. Here we are discussing form in "winnable games".

Will Chelsea or Man City win the title if they win 5 home games, draw 1 and lose 6 out of the last 12?

no, but if we take a select 7 games and they win 5 and draw 2 of them, then that alone is probably the form of champions.

Difficult for us yes, and I for one think we will be relegated, but I'm picking you up on your exaggerated point that we somehow need PL winning form when clearly it isn't.

it is not an exaggerated point at all. Hence why I then asked "can you get enough from the write off games to ease the burden of the winnable games" if you lose those games he says you will. Then if you take those 7 games, you will need the collective result of championship form to survive.

If you take some points from the "write off games" then your performance against the "winnable games" wont have to be so emphatic.



Care to revise your assertion or swerve the question as usual?

absolutely not. Its a fairly straight forward concept.

By your thinking you can take a run of 12 games, ignore the ones you lose and simply pick the ones that were won and say on those games it was league winning form. Utter nonsense.
If a team were to win 6 games in a row maybe, but we aren't talking about that. 16 pts from 12 games isn't league winning form.
Even if we win our "winnable" games against the likes of hull, Fulham and WBA, how does that qualify as league winning form when the games are only deemed winnable as they are lower ranked teams.

Just you exaggerated and we can move on

Far from ignoring the point, I'm asking you how winning 5 home games and 2 draws (1 now) but losing 6 away games is PL winning form? Which by the way was your comment and one not made in the article.

of course you are ignoring the point. The point being that from your 7 "winnable games" to get 17 points you will need a return of 5 wins and 2 draws. That alone is league winning form. However that isnt the point is it now carps

"Form" doesnt have to be a sequence of games. You can look back and see "form against top 6" if you so wish. Here we are discussing form in "winnable games".

Will Chelsea or Man City win the title if they win 5 home games, draw 1 and lose 6 out of the last 12?

no, but if we take a select 7 games and they win 5 and draw 2 of them, then that alone is probably the form of champions.

Difficult for us yes, and I for one think we will be relegated, but I'm picking you up on your exaggerated point that we somehow need PL winning form when clearly it isn't.

it is not an exaggerated point at all. Hence why I then asked "can you get enough from the write off games to ease the burden of the winnable games" if you lose those games he says you will. Then if you take those 7 games, you will need the collective result of championship form to survive.

If you take some points from the "write off games" then your performance against the "winnable games" wont have to be so emphatic.



Care to revise your assertion or swerve the question as usual?

absolutely not. Its a fairly straight forward concept.

You win hands down Roathy

Win what, 'melodramatic nonsense of the day' award?

You win hands down Roathy

I know, its pretty obvious what is being said, its a simple concept. For anyone confused, just read it again. Its boring going over every minute detail again and again with my stalkers

The thing that annoys me about that article is the insinuation that Malky's system was working when it clearly wasn't, if we were safe midtable Tan wouldn't have sacked him. He only sacked him when we fell down into the mire , if not relegation zone.

It's lazy journalism a lot of the time too. I swear they're wilfully blind at times.

You have no stalkers, you misguided sad little man.
We have you sussed, provocative, misleading, disingenious, so lacking intellect. It is so amusing!

You have no stalkers, you misguided sad little man.
We have you sussed, provocative, misleading, disingenious, so lacking intellect. It is so amusing!

Sure you do

You have no stalkers, you misguided sad little man.
We have you sussed, provocative, misleading, disingenious, so lacking intellect. It is so amusing!

To claim Roathy has no intellect is just silly.