1st welsh club relegated from premiership

We put the 1st nail in and today the final nail was driven in to your relegation coffin cheerio.

So how did you put the first nail in when our first defeat was at west ham?

We put the 1st nail in and today the final nail was driven in to your relegation coffin cheerio.

So how did you put the first nail in when our first defeat was at west ham?

I think the defeat to us was certainly a pivotal point.

The cast was set a long time before that, but it did kick start your season, without that you's be in trouble

We put the 1st nail in and today the final nail was driven in to your relegation coffin cheerio.

So how did you put the first nail in when our first defeat was at west ham?

I think the defeat to us was certainly a pivotal point.

Our defeat at Swansea was no different to any other defeat. Don't flatter yourselves.

We put the 1st nail in and today the final nail was driven in to your relegation coffin cheerio.

So how did you put the first nail in when our first defeat was at west ham?

I think the defeat to us was certainly a pivotal point.

Our defeat at Swansea was no different to any other defeat. Don't flatter yourselves.

Of course it was, dont kid yourselves. Since that match you have seemingly been crushed by everyone.

Prior to our derby you were picking up 0.875 points per game (33 points come seasons end and probably enough to give you a fighting chance of safety.)

The derby defeat was the catalyst to spiral your season into a relegation one - picking up only 0.416 points per game (15 points spanned over 38 games)

Thats a shocking stat.

You could move that stat along by one or two games either way and it would still show a similar reading,
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The Swansea defeat was no more influential than any other defeat.

We put the 1st nail in and today the final nail was driven in to your relegation coffin cheerio.

So how did you put the first nail in when our first defeat was at west ham?

I think the defeat to us was certainly a pivotal point.

Our defeat at Swansea was no different to any other defeat. Don't flatter yourselves.

Of course it was, dont kid yourselves. Since that match you have seemingly been crushed by everyone.

Prior to our derby you were picking up 0.875 points per game (33 points come seasons end and probably enough to give you a fighting chance of safety.)

The derby defeat was the catalyst to spiral your season into a relegation one - picking up only 0.416 points per game (15 points spanned over 38 games)

Thats a shocking stat.[/

We were shit before the derby and we're shit after the derby. Losing to you means nothing to our form same as when you lost to us. Like I said, don't flatter yourself.

Did you not read my post?

Your form certainly was not the same before as it was after.

We were 2nd from bottom when we played you. The result was the effect of what was already underway, not the cause.

We were 2nd from bottom when we played you. The result was the effect of what was already underway, not the cause.

Position doesnt matter. If you kept up your points to game ratio prior to the derby then you would have 33 points come seasons end and a fighting chance of safety. (We are in 33 now and I feel pretty safe).

From the derby onwards you averaged a points per game tally which if replicated throughout the whole season would give you 15 points and be similar to the worst Premier League season of all time had by Derby.

Maybe you would have got relegated anyway, we wont know until the end of the season, but what we can be pretty sure of - is that your form from the derby onwards has made sure you will be.

We are going down because the players on the pitch are not good enough....For all the hype the loss against Swansea meant we lost 3 points, the same as any other defeat.....Couldn't give a stuff about your bizarre stats......lies, damned lies and statistics spring to mind. You could start an argument on an empty forum, looking at your previous posts.

We are going down because the players on the pitch are not good enough....For all the hype the loss against Swansea meant we lost 3 points, the same as any other defeat.....Couldn't give a stuff about your bizarre stats......lies, damned lies and statistics spring to mind. You could start an argument on an empty forum, looking at your previous posts.

Who is arguing? Im tellng you the obvious, the defeat against us was the catalyst for a turn of form that has been catastrophic to your season. You can say whatever you wish, but that is a cold hard fact.

We were 2nd from bottom when we played you. The result was the effect of what was already underway, not the cause.

Position doesnt matter. If you kept up your points to game ratio prior to the derby then you would have 33 points come seasons end and a fighting chance if safety. (We are in 33 now and I feel pretty safe).

From the derby onwards you averaged a points per game tally which if replicated throughout the whole season would give you 15 points and be similar to the worst Premier League season of all time had by Derby.

Maybe you would have got relegated anyway, we wont know until the end of the season, but what is sure - is that your form from the derby onwards has made sure you will be.

"Ifs" & "ands". Its not unusual for promoted teams to have a worse second half to a season.
I don't believe the derby was pivotal at all, just another bad result that we had before e.g. West ham & palace away. Let's not forget we've only won 1 away.

But at the end of the day it was an away game than we were not expected to win. Yes you jacks are desperate to somehow claim responsibility for our relegation when in reality us beating you meant you actually did your bit to help keep us up

We were 2nd from bottom when we played you. The result was the effect of what was already underway, not the cause.

Position doesnt matter. If you kept up your points to game ratio prior to the derby then you would have 33 points come seasons end and a fighting chance if safety. (We are in 33 now and I feel pretty safe).

From the derby onwards you averaged a points per game tally which if replicated throughout the whole season would give you 15 points and be similar to the worst Premier League season of all time had by Derby.

Maybe you would have got relegated anyway, we wont know until the end of the season, but what is sure - is that your form from the derby onwards has made sure you will be.

"Ifs" & "ands". Its not unusual for promoted teams to have a worse second half to a season.
I don't believe the derby was pivotal at all, just another bad result that we had before e.g. West ham & palace away. Let's not forget we've only won 1 away.

But at the end of the day it was an away game than we were not expected to win. Yes you jacks are desperate to somehow claim responsibility for our relegation when in reality us beating you meant you actually did your bit to help keep us up

The defeats to West Ham and Palace didnt have the effect on your performances since like the defeat to us had . The defeat to us, and particularly the manner of the defeat caused mayhem in your fanbase on here and there is no doubt it was the start of it all going downhill.

Yes you probably werent good enough to stay up anyway but you still had a chance as the points per game form shows. From the derby ineards you have been ine of the worst sides in the Prem for many a year and there was only one outcome.

We were 2nd from bottom when we played you. The result was the effect of what was already underway, not the cause.

Position doesnt matter. If you kept up your points to game ratio prior to the derby then you would have 33 points come seasons end and a fighting chance if safety. (We are in 33 now and I feel pretty safe).

From the derby onwards you averaged a points per game tally which if replicated throughout the whole season would give you 15 points and be similar to the worst Premier League season of all time had by Derby.

Maybe you would have got relegated anyway, we wont know until the end of the season, but what is sure - is that your form from the derby onwards has made sure you will be.

"Ifs" & "ands". Its not unusual for promoted teams to have a worse second half to a season.
I don't believe the derby was pivotal at all, just another bad result that we had before e.g. West ham & palace away. Let's not forget we've only won 1 away.

But at the end of the day it was an away game than we were not expected to win. Yes you jacks are desperate to somehow claim responsibility for our relegation when in reality us beating you meant you actually did your bit to help keep us up

The defeats to West Ham and Palace didnt have the effect on your performances since like the defeat to us had . The defeat to us, and particularly the manner of the defeat caused mayhem in your fanbase on here and there is no doubt it was the start of it all going downhill.

Yes you probably werent good enough to stay up anyway but you still had a chance as the points per game form shows. From the derby ineards you have been ine of the worst sides in the Prem for many a year and there was only one outcome.

We lost because we are poor. Losing a game doesn't make you a poor team.

You can be poor and still stay up. Being poor doesnt mean you will be relegated.

Your defeat to us clearly sent you on a complete nose dive, certain matches can have that effect and suck the confidence out of your team and fans - the derby result certainly seems like that was the case with the form you have shown since. Not just the defeats but the manner of the defeats has been telling.

You can be poor and still stay up. Being poor doesnt mean you will be relegated.

Your defeat to us clearly sent you on a complete nose dive, certain matches can have that effect and suck the confidence out of your team and fans - the derby result certainly seems like that was the case with the form you have shown since. Not just the defeats but the manner of the defeats has been telling.

Sorry but I think that's rubbish.
I reckon the new manager, formation and tactics coupled with a dearth of defensive talent has had more influence than losing yet another away game, even if it was against a relegation rival.

You can be poor and still stay up. Being poor doesnt mean you will be relegated.

Your defeat to us clearly sent you on a complete nose dive, certain matches can have that effect and suck the confidence out of your team and fans - the derby result certainly seems like that was the case with the form you have shown since. Not just the defeats but the manner of the defeats has been telling.

Sorry but I think that's rubbish.
I reckon the new manager, formation and tactics coupled with a dearth of defensive talent has had more influence than losing yet another away game, even if it was against a relegation rival.

And you have a right to that opinion.

Although a quick look at the results certainly backs up my opinion rather than yours.

Maybe it was a combination of both but to deny that the derby had any effect is just naive. It was a signifficant result and cleaely had a major effect on your fanbase - so "rubbish" it certainly is not.

"Ifs" & "ands". Its not unusual for promoted teams to have a worse second half to a season.
I don't believe the derby was pivotal at all, just another bad result that we had before e.g. West ham & palace away. Let's not forget we've only won 1 away.

But at the end of the day it was an away game than we were not expected to win. Yes you jacks are desperate to somehow claim responsibility for our relegation when in reality us beating you meant you actually did your bit to help keep us up

You all thought you were going to get the double over us remember, laughing about Monk being appointed and us losing laudrup, you were massively over confident for the derby and you got torn apart, it was a hugely pivotal game for you and you know it.

We are the reason you are in this state though because you have accepted anything in your desperate pursuit to overhaul us as number 1 club in Wales, the pressure we put on you by reaching the PL first has ultimately led to your current predicament FACT!

You can be poor and still stay up. Being poor doesnt mean you will be relegated.

Your defeat to us clearly sent you on a complete nose dive, certain matches can have that effect and suck the confidence out of your team and fans - the derby result certainly seems like that was the case with the form you have shown since. Not just the defeats but the manner of the defeats has been telling.

Sorry but I think that's rubbish.
I reckon the new manager, formation and tactics coupled with a dearth of defensive talent has had more influence than losing yet another away game, even if it was against a relegation rival.

And you have a right to that opinion.

Although a quick look at the results certainly backs up my opinion rather than yours.

Maybe it was a combination of both but to deny that the derby had any effect is just naive. It was a signifficant result and cleaely had a major effect on your fanbase - so "rubbish" it certainly is not.

I think it is rubbish.
I was gutted we lost the derby, as always, but then i expected to. Down for a few days but not given it a thought since so hasn't had a major effect on my part of the fanbase. I suppose you speak for the rest though

"Ifs" & "ands". Its not unusual for promoted teams to have a worse second half to a season.
I don't believe the derby was pivotal at all, just another bad result that we had before e.g. West ham & palace away. Let's not forget we've only won 1 away.

But at the end of the day it was an away game than we were not expected to win. Yes you jacks are desperate to somehow claim responsibility for our relegation when in reality us beating you meant you actually did your bit to help keep us up

You all thought you were going to get the double over us remember, laughing about Monk being appointed and us losing laudrup, you were massively over confident for the derby and you got torn apart, it was a hugely pivotal game for you and you know it.

We are the reason you are in this state though because you have accepted anything in your desperate pursuit to overhaul us as number 1 club in Wales, the pressure we put on you by reaching the PL first has ultimately led to your current predicament FACT!

I read half of the first line of the second paragraph and was about to disagree as i thought you mean "relegation" being the predicament... Then i read your reasoning and you are spot on and it is something I've said for a while.

If we werent in the top flight then the rebrand wouldnt have been accepted with such vigour, if there was more opposition earlier then i firmly believe Tan wouldnt have rebranded them - no rebrand, no huge loans, no sit fanbase and still in blue.

I think it is rubbish.
I was gutted we lost the derby, as always, but then i expected to. Down for a few days but not given it a thought since so hasn't had a major effect on my part of the fanbase. I suppose you speak for the rest though

You are 1 in 25,000. I didnt notice your comments from the game but the mood on here was shocking, more shocking than after any other defeat. Citygent, for example, hasnt posted since.

That one result had more of an affect on your season than any other defeat you have suffered this season, im not really sure how that can be argued.

How much of an affect is down to personal opinion, but judging from the stats - it was a signifficant effect.

Sorry, but I cannot take any Jack seriously when they claim that they are the reason we are going down.

We are going down for one reason only. Tan's insistence on meddling during the season. Mackay's football may not have been the prettiest to watch, but it was effective and I think it would have kept us up.

Solskjaer could well turn out to be a fantastic manager, given a full pre season with his own squad, but his remit to completely change the footballing philosophy of a club, half way through its first premier league campaign, in the midst of a relegation battle, is crazy.

It is that reason that we lost the derby and have subsequently struggled from there. I'd say that there are plenty other games that are pin-pointed as our reason for getting relegated. Losing at home to relegation rivals for example.

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I think it is rubbish.
I was gutted we lost the derby, as always, but then i expected to. Down for a few days but not given it a thought since so hasn't had a major effect on my part of the fanbase. I suppose you speak for the rest though

You are 1 in 25,000. I didnt notice your comments from the game but the mood on here was shocking, more shocking than after any other defeat. Citygent, for example, hasnt posted since.

That one result had more of an affect on your season than any other defeat you have suffered this season, im not really sure how that can be argued.

How much of an affect is down to personal opinion, but judging from the stats - it was a signifficant effect.

I disagree. It was Oles 5th PL game and we had lost 3 out of 4. The win came against Norwich where apart from a 2 goal 2 minute spell we were second best and got lucky.

You talk as though we were a good side that suddenly collapsed after the derby loss. Rubbish. This team is what it is based on the reasons I've already stated and not one result alone has made it that way.

Sorry, but I cannot take any Jack seriously when they claim that they are the reason we are going down.

We are going down for one reason only. Tan's insistence on meddling during the season. Mackay's football may not have been the prettiest to watch, but it was effective and I think it would have kept us up.

Solskjaer could well turn out to be a fantastic manager, given a full pre season with his own squad, but his remit to completely change the footballing philosophy of a club, half way through its first premier league campaign, in the midst of a relegation battle, is crazy.

It is that reason that we lost the derby and have subsequently struggled from there. I'd say that there are plenty other games that are pin-pointed as our reason for getting relegated. Losing at home to relegation rivals for example.

He didnt. He said we are the reason you find yourself in the predicament you are in.

It was a point Nathan Blake made in the phone in a few weeks ago and it is a point ive made for months. Was interesting to hear someone from a cardiff viewpoint also say the same though.

Im not of the opinion we are the sole reason but we are certainly one of many major contributing factors.

I disagree. It was Oles 5th PL game and we had lost 3 out of 4. The win came against Norwich where apart from a 2 goal 2 minute spell we were second best and got lucky.

You talk as though we were a good side that suddenly collapsed after the derby loss. Rubbish. This team is what it is based on the reasons I've already stated and not one result alone has made it that way.

Ive not said anything of the sort.

You were a side that was on course for 33 points come seasons end. From the derby onwards that form has gone completely as well as the belief of the fans and players. Your stats show you went into the game with 0.75 points per game under Ole and since then have achieved nearly half that.

You seemed to go from a rubbish side with a fighting chance of survival to a rubbish side with no chance of survival.

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Well I disagree with him & my points from my post point to why I feel we are all but relegated.

Absolutely nothing to do with the result of one game.

Well I disagree with him & my points from my post point to why I feel we are all but relegated.

Absolutely nothing to do with the result of one game.

He isnt on about you being relegated.

I don't think anyone can seriously say that this game had any significant effect on the rest of the season. If that was the case then we should have started climbing the table after beating you. Despite the hype and rivalry we took 3 points off you and you took 3 points off us, Full stop. If it feeds some Swansea fans ego to think that they played any significant part in our downfall, then leave them to it. Swansea ain't completely out of the woods yet and if they do survive then they are going to struggle next season imo

I don't think anyone can seriously say that this game had any significant effect on the rest of the season. If that was the case then we should have started climbing the table after beating you. Despite the hype and rivalry we took 3 points off you and you took 3 points off us, Full stop. If it feeds some Swansea fans ego to think that they played any significant part in our downfall, then leave them to it. Swansea ain't completely out of the woods yet and if they do survive then they are going to struggle next season imo

It wasnt the defeat as such it was the manner of the defeat and the obvious effect it had on your players and fans alike.

Your games after the derby have been far easier than that of the fixtures before it yet you have nose dived.

0.85 points per game before.

0.75 points per game under Ole before.

0.4 points per game since.