UNUSUAL FEELING OF NO PRESSURE BEFORE THE 2ND DERBY GAME

The important thing is that the supporters of the first teams to achieve the double in Liverpool, Sheffield, Glasgow and Manchester celebrated the historic event with pride. History may be forgotten, or confined to dusty bookshelves in libraries but it is there in black and white (excuse the pun) forever and will remain unchanged. Cardiff City can create history with regards to the results in the derby, that is a fact, if they do, we will celebrate with abandon because it can not be repeated by Swansea Town.
A victory will also boost our confidence for the forthcoming games and reaffirm our belief and support for Ole's playing style and tactical approach.

To be fair you do find that armchair fans don't have the same passion as those who've actually stood on the terraces.

To be fair you do find that armchair fans don't have the same passion as those who've actually stood on the terraces.

here we go, lets start goading because you don't like my opinion. The fact is I've stood on the terraces longer than the majority of the modern day attendees of both clubs who probably dont even remember terraces.

Nothing to do with passion, its a way of thinking. We are not all the same beings thankfully. The world would be a boring place if we were all the same. I feel a lot of this is media driven nonsense that holds little to no importance. If you dont, great

I think it may feel easier because we have beaten them already, and I don't think that their ground posseses any intimidating factor either.

My home is a little odd on Derby day - my other half will be with her dad in the Swansea end as usual - I will be with my mates going bonkers in the Cardiff end.

We don't talk about it. Which makes sense because one of us is likely to be evil inside. We leave the recrimination to our garden gnomes.

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The important thing is that the supporters of the first teams to achieve the double in Liverpool, Sheffield, Glasgow and Manchester celebrated the historic event with pride. History may be forgotten, or confined to dusty bookshelves in libraries but it is there in black and white (excuse the pun) forever and will remain unchanged. Cardiff City can create history with regards to the results in the derby, that is a fact, if they do, we will celebrate with abandon because it can not be repeated by Swansea Town.
A victory will also boost our confidence for the forthcoming games and reaffirm our belief and support for Ole's playing style and tactical approach.

Do you remember the first 3-0 win? 4-0 win? Do you remember the quickest goal? First red card? First own goal? First injury time winner? First penalty?

Of course we can repeat it, it just wont be the FIRST. But that doesnt matter.... Would a 4-0 win today be less important than the FIRST 4-0 win? Not for me.

So you wouldn't be on here 'winding up' the opposition in event the tables were turned??

Hmmmmmm

About the double? Absolutely not.

Did I ever mention being the "first welsh club in the premiership" as something to hold over you? No.

Why? Because it is irrelevant who was the first.

Actually, it isn't (quote) "irrelevant" and to pretend otherwise is to dismiss the drama and rivalry that exists between particular sets of supporters from any so-called 'derby' clubs

You may never have "said" it but that is not to say that it isn't 'how it is' for supporters of any given club where their fierce (often bitter) rivals are concerned

I love my club and I support it with a passion (like many other fans I know) and primarily I want it to do well by surviving in the Premier League

However, I can assure you that aside from that, if I can see my team "get one over" on Swansea and its fans in any way possible (in this case a win to do an historic 'double') it will put a smile on my face as wide as the Lougher Estuary

It's about passion; it's about rivalry; and maybe most of all today, it's about "getting one over" (actually two, if you include the win and the double that would bring ) on your close and often bitter rivals from down the M4 West

Given that I cannot be at the game, I will be on the edge of my seat for 90 minutes losing my voice and biting (proverbially) my nails; doesn't sound like you will, though, and that is a shame, as it is to dismiss the passion and importance (to most fans) of the South Wales derby

I don't know who will win, but I do know that the worst that can happen for us is "honours even" for the season and in August I would have settled for that, so a little less pressure on an improving Cardiff than a dis-jointed Swansea methinks

I'm well nervy, but then again I feel that way every time we play someone. Pressure on for at least a draw tonight, can't face the thought of losing, but hopefully our run of games offers a few more points here. We need maybe 5 more wins to stay up, if we took 3 tonight it would make things hella easier later on.

BLOOOOOOOBIRRRRDDDDSSSS

So you wouldn't be on here 'winding up' the opposition in event the tables were turned??

Hmmmmmm

About the double? Absolutely not.

Did I ever mention being the "first welsh club in the premiership" as something to hold over you? No.

Why? Because it is irrelevant who was the first.

Actually, it isn't (quote) "irrelevant" and to pretend otherwise is to dismiss the drama and rivalry that exists between particular sets of supporters from any so-called 'derby' clubs

im not calling the derby irrelevant. They are great occasions. Im calling this mystical "double" irrelevant. Which it is.

You may never have "said" it but that is not to say that it isn't 'how it is' for supporters of any given club where their fierce (often bitter) rivals are concerned

but im not them. You asked me. I wouldnt goad opposition fans over something I feel is irrelevant.

I love my club and I support it with a passion (like many other fans I know) and primarily I want it to do well by surviving in the Premier League. However, I can assure you that aside from that, if I can see my team "get one over" on Swansea and its fans in any way possible (in this case a win to do an historic 'double') it will put a smile on my face as wide as the Lougher Estuary

thats great, everyone is different. Being "the first" welsh club in the premiership brought me no more happiness than being promoted in itself. Little things like that are of no importance to me, just as this double.

It's about passion; it's about rivalry; and maybe most of all today, it's about "getting one over" (actually two, if you include the win and the double that would bring ) on your close and often bitter rivals from down the M4 West

not for me it isnt. As ive kept saying, guarantee us finishing above you and the relegation zone and I will hand over the win in a heartbeat.

Given that I cannot be at the game, I will be on the edge of my seat for 90 minutes losing my voice and biting (proverbially) my nails; doesn't sound like you will, though, and that is a shame, as it is to dismiss the passion and importance (to most fans) of the South Wales derby

of course I will be. Just as I was the last time - however the fact you won the first game doesnt make me any more nervous, it holds no importance to me. Thats the point im making. Im not dampening the derby at all.

I don't know who will win, but I do know that the worst that can happen for us is "honours even" for the season and in August I would have settled for that, so a little less pressure on an improving Cardiff than a dis-jointed Swansea methinks

pressure is an odd word really. Is there more pressure on Bony because Cardiff won the first game? More pressure on Canas? Shelvey? Absolutely not. They arent Swansea fans this double malarkey probably doesnt even enter their heads. Rightly so.

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That is irrelevant nonsense and you know it! What is important, I will remember the first double because I will have witnessed it and both teams were playing in the most senior league in the English tiered system. We have a big opportunity today, that opportunity is important on many levels, we will climb the table, boost our confidence prior to important home games this month and a big FA cup fixture.
You love to take the high ground I notice, yet your statements are contradictory . You claim to have witnessed throughout your life a sustained period where Swansea Town have been superior to Cardiff City, then you claim to have watched Swansea from the terraces forlonger than most supporters of both clubs? I for one watched Cardiff City from terraces when Swansea Town were a few divisions below us.
Football is all about passion! It is passion that drives your enthusiasm to play the game, to try your best for your team and for your own personal gratification. It is the same passion that takes you to grounds on wet, windy, miserable days to witness abject performances and poor results. It is that passion, enthusiasm and optimism that makes you return the next game full,of belief that you can get a result even if that defies logic.
The game without passion will die! Cold, logical analysis belongs with the prawn sandwiches and Barbour jackets!

People who put their quotes inside another persons quotes are admitting defeat. Its the worst way to respond as it makes it awkward for the person you're debating with to quote back. Quote properly if you want a response. The fact Roathie quoted in that way shows me he is intent on making it awkward for Sven to respond and thus is afraid of losing the debate. Roathie has already lost this debate on the basis of posting like that.

hmmmm

That is irrelevant nonsense and you know it! What is important, I will remember the first double because I will have witnessed it and both teams were playing in the most senior league in the English tiered system. We have a big opportunity today, that opportunity is important on many levels, we will climb the table, boost our confidence prior to important home games this month and a big FA cup fixture.
You love to take the high ground I notice, yet your statements are contradictory . You claim to have witnessed throughout your life a sustained period where Swansea Town have been superior to Cardiff City, then you claim to have watched Swansea from the terraces forlonger than most supporters of both clubs? I for one watched Cardiff City from terraces when Swansea Town were a few divisions below us.
Football is all about passion! It is passion that drives your enthusiasm to play the game, to try your best for your team and for your own personal gratification. It is the same passion that takes you to grounds on wet, windy, miserable days to witness abject performances and poor results. It is that passion, enthusiasm and optimism that makes you return the next game full,of belief that you can get a result even if that defies logic.
The game without passion will die! Cold, logical analysis belongs with the prawn sandwiches and Barbour jackets!

As ive said throughout the thread, not everyone is the same. You may hold this double in such great esteem... But I simply don't. It makes no difference to me who is the first one to do anything. My mate Carl was the first of all my group of friends to get married. He's divorced now and lost half his possessions

There is no lacking of passion from me I can assure you. But my passion doesn't resonate with such things as "first to do x,y,z". It just simply isnt something that I even think about.

I dont think i have been contradictory at all. If you gauge the last 20 years as a whole then the fact Swansea have won a major trophy, got to the last 32 of European competition and have the highest finish suggests that we have been the most successful club as long as ive supported the club. It depends how you look at it. You have been above us for longer sure, but not to the tune of any success of note. As long as this continues then im happy.

When I was going initially then both our average attendances were around the 4,000 mark. Many have jumped aboard since all seater stadiums came into play, im sure the many have never stood on a terrace, let alone for a derby.

I think it may feel easier because we have beaten them already, and I don't think that their ground posseses any intimidating factor either.

My home is a little odd on Derby day - my other half will be with her dad in the Swansea end as usual - I will be with my mates going bonkers in the Cardiff end.

We don't talk about it. Which makes sense because one of us is likely to be evil inside. We leave the recrimination to our garden gnomes.

Hehehehehe, those gnomes are awesome man

So you wouldn't be on here 'winding up' the opposition in event the tables were turned??

Hmmmmmm

About the double? Absolutely not.

Did I ever mention being the "first welsh club in the premiership" as something to hold over you? No.

Why? Because it is irrelevant who was the first.

Actually, it isn't (quote) "irrelevant" and to pretend otherwise is to dismiss the drama and rivalry that exists between particular sets of supporters from any so-called 'derby' clubs

im not calling the derby irrelevant. They are great occasions. Im calling this mystical "double" irrelevant. Which it is.

You may never have "said" it but that is not to say that it isn't 'how it is' for supporters of any given club where their fierce (often bitter) rivals are concerned

but im not them. You asked me. I wouldnt goad opposition fans over something I feel is irrelevant.

I love my club and I support it with a passion (like many other fans I know) and primarily I want it to do well by surviving in the Premier League. However, I can assure you that aside from that, if I can see my team "get one over" on Swansea and its fans in any way possible (in this case a win to do an historic 'double') it will put a smile on my face as wide as the Lougher Estuary

thats great, everyone is different. Being "the first" welsh club in the premiership brought me no more happiness than being promoted in itself. Little things like that are of no importance to me, just as this double.

It's about passion; it's about rivalry; and maybe most of all today, it's about "getting one over" (actually two, if you include the win and the double that would bring ) on your close and often bitter rivals from down the M4 West

not for me it isnt. As ive kept saying, guarantee us finishing above you and the relegation zone and I will hand over the win in a heartbeat.

Given that I cannot be at the game, I will be on the edge of my seat for 90 minutes losing my voice and biting (proverbially) my nails; doesn't sound like you will, though, and that is a shame, as it is to dismiss the passion and importance (to most fans) of the South Wales derby

of course I will be. Just as I was the last time - however the fact you won the first game doesnt make me any more nervous, it holds no importance to me. Thats the point im making. Im not dampening the derby at all.

I don't know who will win, but I do know that the worst that can happen for us is "honours even" for the season and in August I would have settled for that, so a little less pressure on an improving Cardiff than a dis-jointed Swansea methinks

pressure is an odd word really. Is there more pressure on Bony because Cardiff won the first game? More pressure on Canas? Shelvey? Absolutely not. They arent Swansea fans this double malarkey probably doesnt even enter their heads. Rightly so.

Sorry, fella, but I feel you are not being honest here (just my opinion) as no real supporter could so easily dismiss the importance of "bragging rights" over their closest rivals; whether it be a simple win, or being first to the Premier League, or to win a cup competition (mako or minor ), or to achieve a first and historic 'double'

Heck, most fans would celebrate if the burgers at the CCS were voted better than those at The Library (and vice versa, of course)

If we went back through your many thousands of posts under your hundreds of different names, I think you will find that you certainly have taken the opportunity to 'rub salt' into Cardiff supporters wounds whenever possible

Don't blame you TBH, as the rivalry that exists between these two set of supporters almost dictates that it should happen whenever the opportunity arises; and today might just be one of those days!

So you wouldn't be on here 'winding up' the opposition in event the tables were turned??

Hmmmmmm

About the double? Absolutely not.

Did I ever mention being the "first welsh club in the premiership" as something to hold over you? No.

Why? Because it is irrelevant who was the first.

Actually, it isn't (quote) "irrelevant" and to pretend otherwise is to dismiss the drama and rivalry that exists between particular sets of supporters from any so-called 'derby' clubs

im not calling the derby irrelevant. They are great occasions. Im calling this mystical "double" irrelevant. Which it is.

You may never have "said" it but that is not to say that it isn't 'how it is' for supporters of any given club where their fierce (often bitter) rivals are concerned

but im not them. You asked me. I wouldnt goad opposition fans over something I feel is irrelevant.

I love my club and I support it with a passion (like many other fans I know) and primarily I want it to do well by surviving in the Premier League. However, I can assure you that aside from that, if I can see my team "get one over" on Swansea and its fans in any way possible (in this case a win to do an historic 'double') it will put a smile on my face as wide as the Lougher Estuary

thats great, everyone is different. Being "the first" welsh club in the premiership brought me no more happiness than being promoted in itself. Little things like that are of no importance to me, just as this double.

It's about passion; it's about rivalry; and maybe most of all today, it's about "getting one over" (actually two, if you include the win and the double that would bring ) on your close and often bitter rivals from down the M4 West

not for me it isnt. As ive kept saying, guarantee us finishing above you and the relegation zone and I will hand over the win in a heartbeat.

Given that I cannot be at the game, I will be on the edge of my seat for 90 minutes losing my voice and biting (proverbially) my nails; doesn't sound like you will, though, and that is a shame, as it is to dismiss the passion and importance (to most fans) of the South Wales derby

of course I will be. Just as I was the last time - however the fact you won the first game doesnt make me any more nervous, it holds no importance to me. Thats the point im making. Im not dampening the derby at all.

I don't know who will win, but I do know that the worst that can happen for us is "honours even" for the season and in August I would have settled for that, so a little less pressure on an improving Cardiff than a dis-jointed Swansea methinks

pressure is an odd word really. Is there more pressure on Bony because Cardiff won the first game? More pressure on Canas? Shelvey? Absolutely not. They arent Swansea fans this double malarkey probably doesnt even enter their heads. Rightly so.

Sorry, fella, but I feel you are not being honest here (just my opinion) as no real supporter could so easily dismiss the importance of "bragging rights" over their closest rivals; whether it be a simple win, or being first to the Premier League, or to win a cup competition (mako or minor ), or to achieve a first and historic 'double'

Heck, most fans would celebrate if the burgers at the CCS were voted better than those at The Library (and vice versa, of course)

If we went back through your many thousands of posts under your hundreds of different names, I think you will find that you certainly have taken the opportunity to 'rub salt' into Cardiff supporters wounds whenever possible

Don't blame you TBH, as the rivalry that exists between these two set of supporters almost dictates that it should happen whenever the opportunity arises; and today might just be one of those days!

Then you clearly aren't familiar with my posts.

I have always maintained the nonsense that surrounds this derby to the point where each set of fans claim ridiculous things in their quest for superiority. Many Swansea fans say how beautiful the Gower is, so what? Many Cardiff fans say they play in the capital. So what? Many Swansea fans say "first welsh team in the prem. so what? Many cardiff fans say "bigger attendances"..... You get the picture.

I have ALWAYS maintained this. Whether you think otherwise or not is irrelevant as it is simply not true. I don't think I have ever ribbed cardiff fans over such like, in fact when Swansea fans do I am usually the first to say it doesn't matter.

So you wouldn't be on here 'winding up' the opposition in event the tables were turned??

Hmmmmmm

About the double? Absolutely not.

Did I ever mention being the "first welsh club in the premiership" as something to hold over you? No.

Why? Because it is irrelevant who was the first.

Actually, it isn't (quote) "irrelevant" and to pretend otherwise is to dismiss the drama and rivalry that exists between particular sets of supporters from any so-called 'derby' clubs

im not calling the derby irrelevant. They are great occasions. Im calling this mystical "double" irrelevant. Which it is.

You may never have "said" it but that is not to say that it isn't 'how it is' for supporters of any given club where their fierce (often bitter) rivals are concerned

but im not them. You asked me. I wouldnt goad opposition fans over something I feel is irrelevant.

I love my club and I support it with a passion (like many other fans I know) and primarily I want it to do well by surviving in the Premier League. However, I can assure you that aside from that, if I can see my team "get one over" on Swansea and its fans in any way possible (in this case a win to do an historic 'double') it will put a smile on my face as wide as the Lougher Estuary

thats great, everyone is different. Being "the first" welsh club in the premiership brought me no more happiness than being promoted in itself. Little things like that are of no importance to me, just as this double.

It's about passion; it's about rivalry; and maybe most of all today, it's about "getting one over" (actually two, if you include the win and the double that would bring ) on your close and often bitter rivals from down the M4 West

not for me it isnt. As ive kept saying, guarantee us finishing above you and the relegation zone and I will hand over the win in a heartbeat.

Given that I cannot be at the game, I will be on the edge of my seat for 90 minutes losing my voice and biting (proverbially) my nails; doesn't sound like you will, though, and that is a shame, as it is to dismiss the passion and importance (to most fans) of the South Wales derby

of course I will be. Just as I was the last time - however the fact you won the first game doesnt make me any more nervous, it holds no importance to me. Thats the point im making. Im not dampening the derby at all.

I don't know who will win, but I do know that the worst that can happen for us is "honours even" for the season and in August I would have settled for that, so a little less pressure on an improving Cardiff than a dis-jointed Swansea methinks

pressure is an odd word really. Is there more pressure on Bony because Cardiff won the first game? More pressure on Canas? Shelvey? Absolutely not. They arent Swansea fans this double malarkey probably doesnt even enter their heads. Rightly so.

Sorry, fella, but I feel you are not being honest here (just my opinion) as no real supporter could so easily dismiss the importance of "bragging rights" over their closest rivals; whether it be a simple win, or being first to the Premier League, or to win a cup competition (mako or minor ), or to achieve a first and historic 'double'

Heck, most fans would celebrate if the burgers at the CCS were voted better than those at The Library (and vice versa, of course)

If we went back through your many thousands of posts under your hundreds of different names, I think you will find that you certainly have taken the opportunity to 'rub salt' into Cardiff supporters wounds whenever possible

Don't blame you TBH, as the rivalry that exists between these two set of supporters almost dictates that it should happen whenever the opportunity arises; and today might just be one of those days!

Then you clearly aren't familiar with my posts.

I have always maintained the nonsense that surrounds this derby to the point where each set of fans claim ridiculous things in their quest for superiority. Many Swansea fans say how beautiful the Gower is, so what? Many Cardiff fans say they play in the capital. So what? Many Swansea fans say "first welsh team in the prem. so what? Many cardiff fans say "bigger attendances"..... You get the picture.

I have ALWAYS maintained this. Whether you think otherwise or not is irrelevant as it is simply not true. I don't think I have ever ribbed cardiff fans over such like, in fact when Swansea fans do I am usually the first to say it doesn't matter.

Sorry, but it does matter (to most) IMHO, because of the rivalry that exists between the fans, if not the clubs themselves

With respect, I am not being drawn further into the debate, as I have a life to lead away from this Forum. However, that is not to say that we might not continue our discussions on other threads later on

Hope the weather is better over there than over here and don't forget to set the alarm for what might just be an historic occasion

Sorry, but it does matter (to most) IMHO, because of the rivalry that exists between the fans, if not the clubs themselves

With respect, I am not being drawn further into the debate, as I have a life to lead away from this Forum. However, that is not to say that we might not continue our discussions on other threads later on

Hope the weather is better over there than over here and don't forget to set the alarm for what might just be an historic occasion

Thats fine.

The election matters to most too. However I've never voted in my life. Most believed Cornelius was a good signing, I said he wasn't much to everyones dismay (and was banned for it)

As Ghandi once said "the truth can be present in a minority of 1" - majority opinion means nothing to me. The majority of people are sheep which is why 39% of the worlds wealth is held by 1% if the population. If we all thought the same then the economy wouldnt work.

Im not drawing you into anything. Im telling you how it is for me, if you dont wish to contribute then dont. However it seems you are telling me how I feel rather than listening which is a bit of a pointless exercise as only I can say how I feel.

As for the weather. Its 33 degrees and 11pm at night, so not the nicest weather, quite stuffy in fact. No alarm needed, its football night, ill be watching all night.

Roath planting the seeds of excuses already.

Roath planting the seeds of excuses already.

Excuse? Where?

I think it may feel easier because we have beaten them already, and I don't think that their ground posseses any intimidating factor either.

My home is a little odd on Derby day - my other half will be with her dad in the Swansea end as usual - I will be with my mates going bonkers in the Cardiff end.

We don't talk about it. Which makes sense because one of us is likely to be evil inside. We leave the recrimination to our garden gnomes.

Hehehehehe, those gnomes are awesome man

I've got a Jimmy Gilligan and a Robin Friday outside my house