O/T Copper awarded £400,000 for being picked on

Listened. To 20min interview it also involved other officers putting msgrs on locker about wifes miscarrage . Also failure to investigate his complaints on several different issues, constructive dissmisal aswell, compo is small compared to his full pension rights and future earnings lost! People have spouted off without full facts if it was them they would want same justice.

Everyone on this thread would be happy to get that amount of money and if we were advised to claim every single one of us would do it.
Still wrong but only because he gets it instead of us

Just watched the video. Unfuckingbelievable! Way over the top reaction from the coppers. He was an old man FFS. Didn't need to smash his window or jump on his bonnet and try to kick his windscreen in.

The reaction is OTT, he should be kicked off the force for smashing a window 15 times, that isn't being a copper, that's a nut job with problems.

Just watched the video. Unfuckingbelievable! Way over the top reaction from the coppers. He was an old man FFS. Didn't need to smash his window or jump on his bonnet and try to kick his windscreen in.

Meant to add that to be awarded any money at all is unbelievable but to get such a huge amount is shocking. What message does that send out to ordinary folk? This country is nuts.

whats the problem he didnt do anything wrong?

the car stopped when the PCs approached the car he drove away thats considered as failing to stop (I love how the press managed to avoid the first part of the video or mention the first stop) so hes within his right to forcibly stop the vehicle hes not going to be tricked twice.

so because he did his job properly, the police authority removed him from frontline duty wrongly, he can claim for that, he proved he was being bullied by fellow officers he can claim for that, the reason they removed him from frontline duties was his perceived mental state, his senior officers are not qualified to make that judgement so he can claim for that. he can claim constructive dismissal as they made his work life impossible, so thats loss of earnings and any future earnings ie his pension.

so you all watched half a video and all know the full facts

read the whole story first

f**k OFF.......deserves a real slap imo............i detest these big in a uniform creeps..and most of their workmates do too......picking on old people ffs...how can u defend that...or are you a bullied at school hide behind your badge muppet yourself

Jonny is correct here. He was just doing his job. Yes he has the money to sit on but for a lot of people being a police officer is about being respected and an authoritative figure etc. now he hasn't got that. He'll have to rebuild another career most likely.

f**k off coward lover

the old bloke in the RR shuffled.. those cops are scum................should be in jail

Jonny is correct here. He was just doing his job. Yes he has the money to sit on but for a lot of people being a police officer is about being respected and an authoritative figure etc. now he hasn't got that. He'll have to rebuild another career most likely.

It is more the fact he smashed the window of a pensioners car in.

Jonny is correct here. He was just doing his job. Yes he has the money to sit on but for a lot of people being a police officer is about being respected and an authoritative figure etc. now he hasn't got that. He'll have to rebuild another career most likely.

It is more the fact he smashed the window of a pensioners car in.

yep.........the old fella must have shit himself..........and you have idiots going on about rebuilding careers, the right thing is the old guy gets the cash..the cops get sacked and dont ever work again............would that cop have been so quick to do what he did if it were a 6ft 4 muscle bound suspected thug in the RR?......

what a f*cking joke......i remember a female p.c getting £300k for sexual harassement....not right at all..

That may be legit, don't know the story behind it.

This case the bloody copper was in the wrong anyway. He should be punished not make a fortune.

not legit...a JOKE as its public money......if you worked for say tesco you probably get a grand....and also these police keep their pensions as they havnt resigned ...a f*cking joke

I think there are a few people on here, making a lot of assumptions, possibly based on only watching Walesonline's shocking biased reporting!

Bear in mind here, that Mr Whatley whilst 71 years of age at the time of the incident, had committed offences of speeding, not wearing his seat belt and driving with an illegal number plate fitted to his car, giving Pc Baillon the power to breathalyse him.

Let's make another assumption, which given that I've read both Walesonline's version of events and the far better balanced reporting of the BBC, including watching the 2 different videos, is I feel a fair assumption!

Let's assume that Pc Baillon spoke to Mr Whatley earlier in the incident and that Mr Whatley refused to wind his window down, or refused to open his driver's door and refused to provide a breath test!

Surely even the most least suspicious of persons would suspect that Mr Whatley was trying to hide something and most people would probably have suspected that he'd been drinking alcohol and got behind the wheel of his vehicle!

Mr Whatley then drives off, without providing Pc Baillon with the breath test which he was legally obliged to do and Pc Baillon drives after him!

When Mr Whatley finally stops the vehicle, Pc Baillon runs up to the vehicle and given that Mr Whatley had already refused to open the door to him earlier and driven off, he decided to smash the driver's window. As Mr Whatley had refused to cooperate with Pc Baillon earlier, it gives him a power of entry, so smashing his window would have been classed as reasonable. What wouldn't have been classed as reasonable IMO, is the second copper jumping up onto the bonnet like Jason Statham, irresponsibly putting himself in danger, (bearing in mind that Mr Whatley had already driven off earlier) and trying to kick in his windscreen as well!

The actions of both coppers should be taken separately here, as it was clear that they were working independently of each other and as Pc Baillon had already decided to force entry into his vehicle, then I can't see any reason why the second copper should try and kick in his windscreen and cause unnecessary damage.

I believe that a few people have wrongly jumped on Pc Baillon's back here and the ire should be directed more at the second copper, whose actions I believe necessitated Gwent Police having to pay Mr Whatley damages, even though Mr Whatley was convicted of his motoring offences!

As some people have said that Mr Whatley should just have been allowed to drive home, as what harm could a pensioner do? let's take the scenario another stage further. Let's assume that Mr Whatley was pissed and injured, maimed or killed somebody on his way home, because Pc Baillon had thought that as he was a pensioner, he was harmless and he allowed him to drive home!

What if that person was related to one of you and what if there was a far more sinister reason for Mr Whatley refusing to stop? Would people still be saying that Pc Baillon should have just allowed him to drive home? I don't think so!

What if Mr Whatley had abducted a child and that child (boy or girl), was secreted away in the boot of his vehicle?

If it was discovered a few weeks later, a few months later, or a couple of years down the line, that Mr Whatley had harmed a child that night, do you still think that people would be saying that Pc Baillon was right to allow him to drive home, without stopping him and forcing entry into his vehicle, again, I don't think so!

I think there are a few people on here, making a lot of assumptions, possibly based on only watching Walesonline's shocking biased reporting!

Bear in mind here, that Mr Whatley whilst 71 years of age at the time of the incident, had committed offences of speeding, not wearing his seat belt and driving with an illegal number plate fitted to his car, giving Pc Baillon the power to breathalyse him.

Let's make another assumption, which given that I've read both Walesonline's version of events and the far better balanced reporting of the BBC, including watching the 2 different videos, is I feel a fair assumption!

Let's assume that Pc Baillon spoke to Mr Whatley earlier in the incident and that Mr Whatley refused to wind his window down, or refused to open his driver's door and refused to provide a breath test!

Surely even the most least suspicious of persons would suspect that Mr Whatley was trying to hide something and most people would probably have suspected that he'd been drinking alcohol and got behind the wheel of his vehicle!

Mr Whatley then drives off, without providing Pc Baillon with the breath test which he was legally obliged to do and Pc Baillon drives after him!

When Mr Whatley finally stops the vehicle, Pc Baillon runs up to the vehicle and given that Mr Whatley had already refused to open the door to him earlier and driven off, he decided to smash the driver's window. As Mr Whatley had refused to cooperate with Pc Baillon earlier, it gives him a power of entry, so smashing his window would have been classed as reasonable. What wouldn't have been classed as reasonable IMO, is the second copper jumping up onto the bonnet like Jason Statham, irresponsibly putting himself in danger, (bearing in mind that Mr Whatley had already driven off earlier) and trying to kick in his windscreen as well!

The actions of both coppers should be taken separately here, as it was clear that they were working independently of each other and as Pc Baillon had already decided to force entry into his vehicle, then I can't see any reason why the second copper should try and kick in his windscreen and cause unnecessary damage.

I believe that a few people have wrongly jumped on Pc Baillon's back here and the ire should be directed more at the second copper, whose actions I believe necessitated Gwent Police having to pay Mr Whatley damages, even though Mr Whatley was convicted of his motoring offences!

As some people have said that Mr Whatley should just have been allowed to drive home, as what harm could a pensioner do? let's take the scenario another stage further. Let's assume that Mr Whatley was pissed and injured, maimed or killed somebody on his way home, because Pc Baillon had thought that as he was a pensioner, he was harmless and he allowed him to drive home!

What if that person was related to one of you and what if there was a far more sinister reason for Mr Whatley refusing to stop? Would people still be saying that Pc Baillon should have just allowed him to drive home? I don't think so!

What if Mr Whatley had abducted a child and that child (boy or girl), was secreted away in the boot of his vehicle?

If it was discovered a few weeks later, a few months later, or a couple of years down the line, that Mr Whatley had harmed a child that night, do you still think that people would be saying that Pc Baillon was right to allow him to drive home, without stopping him and forcing entry into his vehicle, again, I don't think so!

The act shows he has mental issues.

The act shows he has mental issues.

Pc Baillon or the one who jumped up on the bonnet?

Jonny is correct here. He was just doing his job. Yes he has the money to sit on but for a lot of people being a police officer is about being respected and an authoritative figure etc. now he hasn't got that. He'll have to rebuild another career most likely.

It is more the fact he smashed the window of a pensioners car in.

Jonny is correct here. He was just doing his job. Yes he has the money to sit on but for a lot of people being a police officer is about being respected and an authoritative figure etc. now he hasn't got that. He'll have to rebuild another career most likely.

f**k off coward lover

A pensioner who had broke several laws in the run up to said events. No pity. Break the law and then try and stop the police officers in their duties and you deserve everything you get. His age means nothing if he's committed those crimes. That guy could have just as easily had a kid in the boot of the car hence his reluctance to cooperate.

If you act an idiot and cant accept authority because you're immature and have a chip on your shoulder then thats up to you but the only time i've ever come across the police being bad is in London when the Met were just in a foul mood and had the horses out at Wembley causing aggro getting amongst all the Cardiff fans and forcing them around to Wembley Way from the pubs.

All the other police I've come across strike me as nothing more than blokes and women just trying to earn a living and do their jobs. Be respectful to them and 9 times out of 10 you get it back just like people who work in any other occupation. I've spoke to several police officers outside the CCS about games and even had banter with them whilst waiting for mates before going in and the majority of them are fine. If anything Ive found stewards to be worse as they have some sort of inferiority complex.

The act shows he has mental issues.

Pc Baillon or the one who jumped up on the bonnet?

Both, Pc Baillions act shows he is a loon and can't control his temper, should see a psychiatrist.

The act shows he has mental issues.

Pc Baillon or the one who jumped up on the bonnet?

Both, Pc Baillions act shows he is a loon and can't control his temper, should see a psychiatrist.

I certainly think that the one who jumped on the bonnet has issues, but whilst some would question why Pc Baillon immediately started to smash the driver's window instead of trying to get Mr Whatley to see sense and open his door again, I'm not so sure, but he certainly had the lawful power to smash the window!

Perhaps he felt able to justify his actions, as Mr Whatley had driven off from him once before and it may have been apparent and obvious to Pc Baillon, that Mr Whatley was never ever going to open his door for him and as he'd already driven off once before, it gave Pc Baillon the cover he may have needed, to justify breaking the window!

Either way, I fail to see why Mr Whatley should refuse to open his door after committing some quite minor motoring offences and provide a breath test for Pc Baillon, unless he had been drinking and believed that he may have been over the legal limit!

Someone pick on me for a few weeks in work please, could do with a couple of quid.

Someone pick on me for a few weeks in work please, could do with a couple of quid.

Are you earning around £40,000 per year, expecting a lump sum in excess of £100,000 upon retirement and an annual pension of around £20,000 per year upon retirement?

If so, I'm sure there's somebody who can help you!

To call them police officers would be embarrassing and laughable, build it up how you like the old fella was wrong but they both acted was moronic and not normal for what officers are meant to do.

Agree fully OTM

To call them police officers would be embarrassing and laughable, build it up how you like the old fella was wrong but they both acted was moronic and not normal for what officers are meant to do.

Agree fully OTM

I can see why people would label them both as morons and I can see no defence of that label, for the one who jumped on the bonnet!

However, as Mr whatley had seemingly refused to open the door to Pc Baillon and had already driven off from him, he gave Pc Baillon the legal power to justify his actions!

I suspect that most of us would like to think that we'd do things slightly different, given a similar set of circumstances and perhaps give Mr Whatley another chance to open the door, but ultimately they would have had no choice eventually, but to force entry, should Mr Whatley have continued to refuse to cooperate!

For those who know more about the case than me, what was the explanation as to why Whatley drove off after being stopped the first time ?

Was he drunk ?

Any information would be interesting.

Secondly, this situation would have been rehearsed by the police, the police officers have communication systems whereby they would have planned the approach of the vehicle and execution of apprehending the driver from the vehicle.

Bearing this in mind, did the police officer who jumped onto the bonnet receive any banter/abuse from other police officers for what appears to be an over the top act ?

Did he get cautioned by senior officers ? Is he still in position ?

Regards to PC Baillon, did he get cautioned ? Did he receive an independent medical and/or psychological examination ?

For those fellow officers who allegedly abused him, have they received disciplinary actions ?

If they haven't, have any of the senior officers received disciplinary actions for failing to resolve what should have been a very straightforward matter.

It appears, without further information, that the whole incident from the excessively repeated smashing of the driver's side window and the other PC on the bonnet to the over the top alleged abuse that resulted in a grown man being so upset that he leaves his job, which then results in an over the top settlement.

It appears to be several sledge hammers to crack one small nut.

It reminds me of an MP allegedly calling a police officer a pleb, nothing in the scheme of things and look at how that ended up.

Ah well, it's only public money isn't it ?