' OLE Is Better Than MALKY - Says Owner Tan . '

My teenage son hung around after the game yesterday, to get some autographs and his picture taken with some of the players!

During this time, he also met Vincent Tan, whom my son said was very polite and friendly, but some media men were waiting at the stadium and my son phoned me to tell me that he had overheard VT say this to them!

Now he may well have said this as a joke, but I can't see any reason why he felt the need to make this comment, as he could have just bigged up Ole without resorting to insulting Malky, given what is going on in the background between them!

Tan is cleverer than half of our clueless fans mate. The only bad thing he's done is the rebrand but everything else he's been spot on with. The painter, well he was quite obvious a spy to keep an eye on Malky and obviously after the spending in the summer who could blame him.

Tan has been well within his rights to do what he's done other than rebrand us. Difference is, people want to have a go at Tan for everything but the rebrand and instead call him out on things he's right for and not the bad thing he has done. Clueless, gutless and shameful. Hardly surprising that fans booed Whitts really.

Back in the day Cardiff City fans used to fight properly man to man but if anything kicked off these days it wouldnt surprise me if the gutless just went for weapons straight away. The older generation need to give a few of our fans a clip around the ear.

may I ask why you put that last paragraph in as I cannot see the relevance to the OP or is it just for us to acknowledge that maybe you were in Rochdale on a cold windy Tuesday night?

I think Tan needs to keep his mouth shut and just let Ole get on with it and manage Cardiff City and hopefully prove a quality Prem Manager.

It really is to early to compare them both, but even so, the Tan Circus seems to run on and the Clown Dictator continues to embarrass himself

may I ask why you put that last paragraph in as I cannot see the relevance to the OP or is it just for us to acknowledge that maybe you were in Rochdale on a cold windy Tuesday night?

That our fans have become cowardly and refuse to stand up and battle against the true enemy but are willing to turn against their own - as proven by the rebrand factions and the latest abuse Whittingham has received. Bugger me, you'd never get the Old Guard acting with such disrespect.

True true, malkys park the bus tactics were eye watering to watch. Its nice to see us attacking team, winning 3 ganes and scoring goals under ole. Malkys signings were also terrible spending 40 mil on 5 signings, whereas ole has spent about 5 mil on 7 signings, says it all

He's like a bloody kid. If he wasn't such a f*cking idiot Malky would have won us a few more points and we wouldn't be in the bottom 3

Totally agree. If Malky was manager yesterday Tan wouldn't be satisfied with that performance as we got battered at the end but somehow won. But because Ole is manager, it was a "very excellent win". The man is clueless!

We would have drew or lost if Malky was manager. Malky wouldnt have brought Zaha on who was key in us coming back. He'd have brought on Cowie after 60 minutes instead.

We wouldn't have conceded an early goal under Malky yesterday or at the beginning of the West Ham game. We played against only 2 teams at home who are in the bottom half of the table under Malky and we won both those games 1-0. They are facts and I have no doubt Malky would have got enough results at home in the second half of the season against teams in the bottom half around us.

Where has this myth about Malky not conceding goals come from
We were three nil down by half time in his last two games and had the second worse defence behind fulham

True true, malkys park the bus tactics were eye watering to watch. Its nice to see us attacking team, winning 3 ganes and scoring goals under ole. Malkys signings were also terrible spending 40 mil on 5 signings, whereas ole has spent about 5 mil on 7 signings, says it all

People around the world know Ole thats why and respect him and his achievements. The only people aware of Malky's achievements are his family, those of the clubs he played for in England and the Scottish. Nobody on a European scale really cares about what he's done. Thats why it took £45000 per week to get Cornelius here.

Malky's overrated tbh. He took us up with good backing. Any manager that cant achieve that isn't fit to call themselves a manager.

Where has this myth about Malky not conceding goals come from
We were three nil down by half time in his last two games and had the second worse defence behind fulham

Too true Steve. People so blinded its unreal. If Annis was backed as Malky was at Championship level i'd have just as much faith in him to deliver as I would Malky. He knows his football, has experience and with the backing should be able to do the job. Malky's job at Championship level was pretty much no different to Man City's in the Premier League. Get the job done. If anything we should have signed better players who were ready to make a major impact and smashed teams week in, week out, yet he signed a few duds at Championship level.

Malky spent £11.5m on players in our promotion winning season and £2.5m the year before. Thats £14m spent altogether plus we already had a core and a decent wage budget opened up because of the outgoings like Bothroyd etc. He wasted even some of that, around £2.5m, on Velikonja and Kiss.

I think any decent manager should take up a Championship side spending £14m over 2 seasons. Rodgers spent £1.7m to take up Swansea via the playoffs and £1m of that was on Scott Sinclair.

People will say clubs like Leicester have spent money and not gone up but that just means their manager didn't get the job done and in other words is crap. If you have £14m to spend over two seasons in the Championship then you should be competing at the top with ease in a league like ours that didn't feature QPR, West Ham or the likes of Reading who yoyo and spend. It was a weak Championship.

He'll probably sack him tomorrow now

As we didn't win the Super Bowl (as demanded by Vinnie) last night, Ole is probably already sacked.

Malky spent £11.5m on players in our promotion winning season and £2.5m the year before. Thats £14m spent altogether plus we already had a core and a decent wage budget opened up because of the outgoings like Bothroyd etc. He wasted even some of that, around £2.5m, on Velikonja and Kiss.

I got to say Velikonja was a Tan buy, I believe that to be true, it's the culture in Asia for the club to buy the players and not the manager....Tan had a go, failed....he is clever enough not to get involved again

may I ask why you put that last paragraph in as I cannot see the relevance to the OP or is it just for us to acknowledge that maybe you were in Rochdale on a cold windy Tuesday night?

That our fans have become cowardly and refuse to stand up and battle against the true enemy but are willing to turn against their own - as proven by the rebrand factions and the latest abuse Whittingham has received. Bugger me, you'd never get the Old Guard acting with such disrespect.

Malky spent £11.5m on players in our promotion winning season and £2.5m the year before. Thats £14m spent altogether plus we already had a core and a decent wage budget opened up because of the outgoings like Bothroyd etc. He wasted even some of that, around £2.5m, on Velikonja and Kiss.

I got to say Velikonja was a Tan buy, I believe that to be true, it's the culture in Asia for the club to buy the players and not the manager....Tan had a go, failed....he is clever enough not to get involved again

Not this again... Malky tracked Etien for 2 years as said by the great man himself. ( allegedly )

We really don't need this debate. What's happened has happened. Better if Tan let sleeping dogs lie.

We really don't need this debate. What's happened has happened. Better if Tan let sleeping dogs lie.

Better if Tan asset stripped us, all the glory supporting plastic buggered off, we went into admin, got reborn as a phoenix club and the real supporters can rebuild the club from scratch in whatever league because league doesn't matter. Pride and dignity matters and having some respect for traditionalism and your players and fellow fan.

ALL THAT IS LOST UNDER THIS DISGUSTING RED REGIME.

We wouldn't have conceded an early goal under Malky yesterday or at the beginning of the West Ham game. We played against only 2 teams at home who are in the bottom half of the table under Malky and we won both those games 1-0. They are facts and I have no doubt Malky would have got enough results at home in the second half of the season against teams in the bottom half around us.

Like we didn't concede goals vs Newcastle at home? You are delusional.

Newcastle are in the top half and that was the only home game we started poorly apart from the Southampton game which was 100% Tan's fault with his off the field destruction. Even after a poor first half against Newcastle, we sorted ourselves out in the second half and Newcastle were hanging on for dear life at the end. Malky always made us very difficult to beat at home. For you to have to go back as far as the Newcastle home game to think of a time we started badly at home under Malky says it all, so thanks for backing up my point.

Newcastle were not in the top half when we played them sorry. In fact they were below us in 16th place

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I think we look more solid under malky. There is no denying solksjaer is able to make good tactical changing decisions you wouldn't see malky taking whitts off at 1-0
Prob just bring campbell on for jones and sub bellamy for cowie

As usual any excuse to bash tan he is praising his manager and stating jacky was not as good obvious when you think what 30 million he wasted on players

Malky spent £11.5m on players in our promotion winning season and £2.5m the year before. Thats £14m spent altogether plus we already had a core and a decent wage budget opened up because of the outgoings like Bothroyd etc. He wasted even some of that, around £2.5m, on Velikonja and Kiss.

I got to say Velikonja was a Tan buy, I believe that to be true, it's the culture in Asia for the club to buy the players and not the manager....Tan had a go, failed....he is clever enough not to get involved again

On more than one occasion malky, when asked about velikonja said that he had kept an eye on him for over two years and he tried to sign him for watford, unless of course tan forced malky to say that.

Malky spent £11.5m on players in our promotion winning season and £2.5m the year before. Thats £14m spent altogether plus we already had a core and a decent wage budget opened up because of the outgoings like Bothroyd etc. He wasted even some of that, around £2.5m, on Velikonja and Kiss.

I got to say Velikonja was a Tan buy, I believe that to be true, it's the culture in Asia for the club to buy the players and not the manager....Tan had a go, failed....he is clever enough not to get involved again

Oh my god what a load of thick shit

Wish Tan would f*cking sell up already.

We wouldn't have conceded an early goal under Malky yesterday or at the beginning of the West Ham game. We played against only 2 teams at home who are in the bottom half of the table under Malky and we won both those games 1-0. They are facts and I have no doubt Malky would have got enough results at home in the second half of the season against teams in the bottom half around us.

Like we didn't concede goals vs Newcastle at home? You are delusional.

Newcastle are in the top half and that was the only home game we started poorly apart from the Southampton game which was 100% Tan's fault with his off the field destruction. Even after a poor first half against Newcastle, we sorted ourselves out in the second half and Newcastle were hanging on for dear life at the end. Malky always made us very difficult to beat at home. For you to have to go back as far as the Newcastle home game to think of a time we started badly at home under Malky says it all, so thanks for backing up my point.

Newcastle were not in the top half when we played them sorry. In fact they were below us in 16th place

That table is a bit out of date.

Newcastle are currently 8th, 10 points ahead of Villa in 10th. Like I said before you tried twisting things, we only played 2 teams at home CURRENTLY in the bottom half under Malky. There's CURRENTLY even 8 points between Southampton in 9th and Villa in 10th. That shows the gap in standard between the top 9 and the rest of the league and we played 7 of the top 9 at home under Malky, which is why Malky had to set us up defensively for pretty much every game!

Every point away from home is a bonus this season, but you have to beat teams around you at the bottom at home to survive. Malky beat West Brom and Swansea 1-0. I think Malky would have picked up wins at home against other teams in the bottom half to move us up the table but unfortunately, Tan never gave Malky the opportunity to do this. Tan chose to sack Malky before the Sunderland and West Ham games resulting in us throwing away 5 points in those two games. Like I said, what more could Malky have done?

hang on ross, firstly Malkys' sacking wasnt the reason "we threw 5 points away in those two games" you or anyone else is only speculating as to what we would have got from those matches, i personally find it incredibly unlikely we would have won them both.

Also if you are purely relying on home form to get us out of trouble, you are talking about winning as many as 11 or ever 12 matches at home. Its unrealistic, so we need to pick up points away as well. When we go to places like Norwich, Stoke and Palace and basically not even try its upsetting.

Malky was (in my opinion) taking us down, at least now we have a shot.

He's like a bloody kid. If he wasn't such a f*cking idiot Malky would have won us a few more points and we wouldn't be in the bottom 3

Totally agree. If Malky was manager yesterday Tan wouldn't be satisfied with that performance as we got battered at the end but somehow won. But because Ole is manager, it was a "very excellent win". The man is clueless!

We would have drew or lost if Malky was manager. Malky wouldnt have brought Zaha on who was key in us coming back. He'd have brought on Cowie after 60 minutes instead.

How can you possibly say you know we would have lost when we would have had a different team, singings and tactics if malky was still here. Goes to show how one sided you are

We wouldn't have conceded an early goal under Malky yesterday or at the beginning of the West Ham game. We played against only 2 teams at home who are in the bottom half of the table under Malky and we won both those games 1-0. They are facts and I have no doubt Malky would have got enough results at home in the second half of the season against teams in the bottom half around us.

Like we didn't concede goals vs Newcastle at home? You are delusional.

Newcastle are in the top half and that was the only home game we started poorly apart from the Southampton game which was 100% Tan's fault with his off the field destruction. Even after a poor first half against Newcastle, we sorted ourselves out in the second half and Newcastle were hanging on for dear life at the end. Malky always made us very difficult to beat at home. For you to have to go back as far as the Newcastle home game to think of a time we started badly at home under Malky says it all, so thanks for backing up my point.

Newcastle were not in the top half when we played them sorry. In fact they were below us in 16th place

They are still easily a top half team, with a strong squad and a massive club.
We had a good home record at home it's as simple as that, given money to strengthen malky would have had more chance to play more attractive football, but well never know now.
Green arrow I thought you didn't support cardiff anymore so why come on the forum get a life mate

This is essentially a cultural thing as far as I can tell. South-East Asians are often ridiculously outspoken (especially the Vietnamese and the Indonesians in my experience), and phrasings Western people find undiplomatic, stupid and rude, they'll find natural.

To add a few boring facts to this discussion, after looking at some of the stats Cardiff had under their former manager, inconsistent comes to my mind as a key word.

The wins versus Swansea and West Brom were evenly played affairs, about the same amount of possession, shots fired and shots on target for both sides. From a purely stats point of view lucky wins. Much the same for the draw vs Man Utd, as Man Utd had a slight superiority in the shots department there.

The opening draw vs Everton and the later draw against Norwich were much more one-sided affairs, both Everton and Norwich had more than 60% possession in those games, and while Everton had 10 shots (3 on goal) Cardiff only managed 3 (1on goal). A lucky draw if I ever read about one. Much more so against Norwich, who had 31 shots fired and 10 on goal, compared to Cardiff's 6 shots of which 4 was on goal. Similar figures can be found in the draw vs. Sunderland.

Looking at stats only tell a superficial story obviously, and at the end of the day it is the results that matter. The question that needs to be answered is if Malky was a tactical genius that made the right substitutions that brought victories from even matches and draws from matches were the stats instigated that the opposition hit Cardiff with a steamroller, or if he is the kind of manager that has Lady Luck on his side. The losses should be looked at in a total context there, if he is a really brilliant manager then many of the losses should, at least statswise, be ones that can be sorted under the unlucky tag.

hang on ross, firstly Malkys' sacking wasnt the reason "we threw 5 points away in those two games" you or anyone else is only speculating as to what we would have got from those matches, i personally find it incredibly unlikely we would have won them both.

Also if you are purely relying on home form to get us out of trouble, you are talking about winning as many as 11 or ever 12 matches at home. Its unrealistic, so we need to pick up points away as well. When we go to places like Norwich, Stoke and Palace and basically not even try its upsetting.

Malky was (in my opinion) taking us down, at least now we have a shot.

Of course I'm speculating about the Sunderland and West Ham games, but so are you saying you find it highly unlikely we would have won both games. It makes me laugh how fans say we wouldn't have attacked Sunderland the way we did to score 2 goals with Malky still there, how can anyone say that when it was Malky's team with Malky's assistant in charge? The difference was instead of playing one of the 7 teams currently in the top 9 at home under Malky, Sunderland were bottom of the league and aside from Swansea and West Brom, it was a rare game where we could be more adventurous.

Malky's sacking couldn't have happened at a worse time, Malky should have been given the opportunity to take charge at home to Sunderland and West Ham and if he failed to pick up results in those 2 games, then I would have at least understood Malky being sacked. I'm certain Malky would have got us the results at home to keep us up. We dominated the second half at home to Swansea and just about deserved our 1-0 win at home to West Brom, who won at Old Trafford earlier in the season after all.

The 3 away games you mentioned, we drew 2 of them. "Negative" Malky played Campbell up front with the 4 attacking midfielders of Odemwingie, Whittingham, Mutch and Kim behind him at Norwich. What happened? We got battered but somehow got a point. Stoke away was a comfortable 0-0 draw overall, fans say we should have attacked them more but they have beaten Chelsea and Man Utd at home, so that was a good point. Palace was a very poor performance, no arguments there, but we had them at the wrong time and they picked up a string of wins under Pulis when he took over.

I don't know how you can think Malky was taking us down. Apart from the first game of the season, we were never in the relegation zone under Malky and we played 7 of the top 9 teams at home under his reign. You've got to admit our home form would have probably improved under Malky in the second half of the season and as a result, we would have finished the second half of the season better than we started the first half of the season. If we were never in the relegation zone under Malky with our tough run of home games during his reign, I find it very hard to believe he would have taken us down into the relegation zone during the second half of this season.

He's like a bloody kid. If he wasn't such a f*cking idiot Malky would have won us a few more points and we wouldn't be in the bottom 3

Possibly one of the stupidest things I've read.

I don't like tan for a lot of things he has done but he has also done good.

Blaming him for Malky not getting us more points is ludicrous.

I think ole is better than Malky too, but that won't make the papers or piss people off will it...

He's like a bloody kid. If he wasn't such a f*cking idiot Malky would have won us a few more points and we wouldn't be in the bottom 3

Possibly one of the stupidest things I've read.

I don't like tan for a lot of things he has done but he has also done good.

Blaming him for Malky not getting us more points is ludicrous.

I think ole is better than Malky too, but that won't make the papers or piss people off will it...

Tan in my opinion has been destructive with his off the pitch bombshells which knocked the stuffing out of the fans and the team. I 100% blame Tan for our 3-0 defeat to Southampton. How you can honestly say Tan's email, the 45 minute protest at Anfield, the surprise Malky was still manager for the Southampton game and the uncertainty Tan caused as a whole had no impact on our Southampton performance is beyond me!

But it was happening last season, we were flying over the Christmas period, then there was scarfgate! What happened at scarfgate? We lost 2-0, and our run of form for the next couple of months severely dipped. Look at our bad patches and you will see Tan's disruption is linked to almost all of it! At least a couple of our bad patches can't be just a coincidence in my opinion anyway! If we get relegated, it won't be Malky's fault, it won't be Ole's fault, it will be Tan's fault!

He's like a bloody kid. If he wasn't such a f*cking idiot Malky would have won us a few more points and we wouldn't be in the bottom 3

Possibly one of the stupidest things I've read.

I don't like tan for a lot of things he has done but he has also done good.

Blaming him for Malky not getting us more points is ludicrous.

I think ole is better than Malky too, but that won't make the papers or piss people off will it...

Tan in my opinion has been destructive with his off the pitch bombshells which knocked the stuffing out of the fans and the team. I 100% blame Tan for our 3-0 defeat to Southampton. How you can honestly say Tan's email, the 45 minute protest at Anfield, the surprise Malky was still manager for the Southampton game and the uncertainty Tan caused as a whole had no impact on our Southampton performance is beyond me!

But it was happening last season, we were flying over the Christmas period, then there was scarfgate! What happened at scarfgate? We lost 2-0, and our run of form for the next couple of months severely dipped. Look at our bad patches and you will see Tan's disruption is linked to almost all of it! At least a couple of our bad patches can't be just a coincidence in my opinion anyway! If we get relegated, it won't be Malky's fault, it won't be Ole's fault, it will be Tan's fault!

leeds won 5-1 on the weekend

He's like a bloody kid. If he wasn't such a f*cking idiot Malky would have won us a few more points and we wouldn't be in the bottom 3

Possibly one of the stupidest things I've read.

I don't like tan for a lot of things he has done but he has also done good.

Blaming him for Malky not getting us more points is ludicrous.

I think ole is better than Malky too, but that won't make the papers or piss people off will it...

Tan in my opinion has been destructive with his off the pitch bombshells which knocked the stuffing out of the fans and the team. I 100% blame Tan for our 3-0 defeat to Southampton. How you can honestly say Tan's email, the 45 minute protest at Anfield, the surprise Malky was still manager for the Southampton game and the uncertainty Tan caused as a whole had no impact on our Southampton performance is beyond me!

But it was happening last season, we were flying over the Christmas period, then there was scarfgate! What happened at scarfgate? We lost 2-0, and our run of form for the next couple of months severely dipped. Look at our bad patches and you will see Tan's disruption is linked to almost all of it! At least a couple of our bad patches can't be just a coincidence in my opinion anyway! If we get relegated, it won't be Malky's fault, it won't be Ole's fault, it will be Tan's fault!

leeds won 5-1 on the weekend

What has Leeds got to do with this discussion? They put it together for McDermott who it looks like will be returning anyway. It's completely different to what's happening with us.