Ole This and Ole That ?

Steve, he didnt make one pass that made its target. He didnt close down and you need that in a relegation scrap. His speed of thought in the transition between defence and attack was too slow, His setpieces were terrible and he looked lost and totally out of confidence. I dont rate him but after a few minutes i really felt sorry for him. In hindsight I dont think Ole should have started him

I predicted this in the summer, While Whitts has plenty of talent, he doesn't have the brain for football at this pace and intensity. That's what I said. he could still prove me wrong and I hope he does it. .

Ok .... Nice bloke.

But he's not very good is he ..... Seems to be a board and crowd pleaser.

Truth is " nice blokes " hardly manage well football clubs.

I remember the words of a manager to a member of management staff starting after being a player for the same club , it went like this

" &££&@ listen your now on the other side , the first thing to remember is football players are all Cunts never forget that "

Its only a few weeks ago you were saying that Malky was going to replace big Sam. Have you had a change of heart?

Nice guy managers.............Arsene Wenger? Pepe Guardiola?

Wenger moans more than than Adam Browns wife getting humped !

That doesn't mean he isn't a nice guy

Steve, he didnt make one pass that made its target. He didnt close down and you need that in a relegation scrap. His speed of thought in the transition between defence and attack was too slow, His setpieces were terrible and he looked lost and totally out of confidence. I dont rate him but after a few minutes i really felt sorry for him. In hindsight I dont think Ole should have started him

Hi mate .... Sounds like poor starting team selection to me. Agree what you saying about the player and relegation scraps too.

You will notice Matty Taylor in our side, not the greatest but fights to the death and a work rate like no other.

It was poor selection but Ole is still learning about his players in a match environment. I think he will learn a lot after yesterday, about the whole team.

He let whitts take the blame for his awful selections and formation yesterday ie Mutch on the wing

Whitts was poor, as were most in the 1st half, but he should have left it until half time it was only 7 minutes, but he let whitts take the flak instead of him getting the boos at ht.

Interesting Polo.

Said the crowd needed a lift but that to me was him bowing down to the boo boys

Sounds like. Saving face and all that.

The cynic in me says he did deflect the heat somewhat

Sounds like .... Gets away with it though as it worked, out of interest did you equalise first or second half ?

2nd half two goals in 2 minutes.

We had a good 10/15 minute spell but apart from that we were awful and but for poor finishing Marshall heroics it could have been a heavy defeat.

Don't let the Rose tinters on here tell you any different.

Not really great management then ..... Switch would have been better half time. Opposite Manager knew what he was facing second half tactically.

Crowd booing ( out of order in my book ) and Your man made the change to please the baying crowd and look better to his bosses and pleasing the paying clients.

the way i look at it steve is in the position our teams are in you need players to knuckle down and tackle and run their hearts out.
who would you take into a physical must win encounter whitts or nolan. Im afraid we have to sacrifice a bit of creativity for some hard work up and down the pitch and whitts dosent bring that.
the top teams allow us to play which gives whitts time but the teams we are facing over the next month will not give us the luxury of time as they will press us all over the pitch

Agree mate.... Sounds like he shouldn't have been selected in the first place .

Look at our Matty Taylor .... Work rate and desire fantastic , hence often gets selected over the likes of Diame.

Big Sam knows his stuff !

Big Sam has a side in the bottom 3. Blame on injuries as much as you wish but two weeks ago
all West Ham fans called for him to be sacked so maybe you support the wrong team to be calling
Cardiff moaner supporters. There were ten minutes before half-time when Zaha came on. surely
a better tactic would be trying to score the equaliser before the break? it was hard on Whittingham
but he was poor. Decent fans could see maybe it as the end for him so he should have been given
applause not boos. He did not play poor deliberately

It was a poor selection. He seen that made the change an won the game.

I can't believe some people are so blinded by there whitts love. He's been shit for months, you can't ble ole for that.

Ok .... Nice bloke.

But he's not very good is he ..... Seems to be a board and crowd pleaser.

Truth is " nice blokes " hardly manage well football clubs.

I remember the words of a manager to a member of management staff starting after being a player for the same club , it went like this

" &££&@ listen your now on the other side , the first thing to remember is football players are all Cunts never forget that "

Its only a few weeks ago you were saying that Malky was going to replace big Sam. Have you had a change of heart?

Not sure what that has to do with the thread topic .... But as you ask.

I wasn't saying it.... The West Ham Board were thinking it and Big Sams results were shocking he convinced the board he could turn it round when his players return from injury etc and he's proving himself right and the board right in sticking with him.

We now have first choice CH positions back that kept constant clean sheets , midfield dynamite as normal , wingers who are quality and getting the balls in ( albeit Jarvis needs to get a bit of form back ) and the big man back winning everything and feeding the likes of Nolan. Perfection really for a relegation scrap and gaining the points.

I don't know if was whitts but who ever it was providing cover on the flank for THEIR opening goal. they deserve a bollocking.

I don't know if was whitts but who ever it was providing cover on the flank for THEIR opening goal. they deserve a bollocking.

Ball was played between Fabio and Noone, the latter being to wide of his right back. Whitts didnt close the passer down at all though.

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I don't know if was whitts but who ever it was providing cover on the flank for THEIR opening goal. they deserve a bollocking.

Bellamy took up Fabio's position as Fabio moved centrally.

I don't know if was whitts but who ever it was providing cover on the flank for THEIR opening goal. they deserve a bollocking.

Bellamy took up Fabio's position as Fabio moved centrally.

it was noone

I don't know if was whitts but who ever it was providing cover on the flank for THEIR opening goal. they deserve a bollocking.

Bellamy took up Fabio's position as Fabio moved centrally.

it was noone

That's correct, noone just stood there and let the winger get way ahead of him, noone is very good with the ball at his feet but can't get back and defend to save his life.

Sounds like .... Gets away with it though as it worked, out of interest did you equalise first or second half ?[/quote]

2nd half two goals in 2 minutes.

We had a good 10/15 minute spell but apart from that we were awful and but for poor finishing Marshall heroics it could have been a heavy defeat.

Don't let the Rose tinters on here tell you any different.[/quote]

Not really great management then ..... Switch would have been better half time. Opposite Manager knew what he was facing second half tactically.

Crowd booing ( out of order in my book ) and Your man made the change to please the baying crowd and look better to his bosses and pleasing the paying clients.[/quote]


the way i look at it steve is in the position our teams are in you need players to knuckle down and tackle and run their hearts out.
who would you take into a physical must win encounter whitts or nolan. Im afraid we have to sacrifice a bit of creativity for some hard work up and down the pitch and whitts dosent bring that.
the top teams allow us to play which gives whitts time but the teams we are facing over the next month will not give us the luxury of time as they will press us all over the pitch[/quote]

Agree mate.... Sounds like he shouldn't have been selected in the first place .

Look at our Matty Taylor .... Work rate and desire fantastic , hence often gets selected over the likes of Diame.

Big Sam knows his stuff ![/quote]

Big Sam has a side in the bottom 3. Blame on injuries as much as you wish but two weeks ago
all West Ham fans called for him to be sacked so maybe you support the wrong team to be calling
Cardiff moaner supporters. There were ten minutes before half-time when Zaha came on. surely
a better tactic would be trying to score the equaliser before the break? it was hard on Whittingham
but he was poor. Decent fans could see maybe it as the end for him so he should have been given
applause not boos. He did not play poor deliberately[/quote][/quote]

Any chance of stringing something together that's literate and makes any sense without too bitter servings instead of debate ?

We've beat you twice this season maybe that's where your resentment comes from ?

Anyway , I do agree on your point he should have been applauded off.

As for blaming injuries ..... When you can't put a team out with even actual centre halves in the team I think you could call that a problem !

Football fans will always get pissed off and call for Managers heads when losing and poor performances. Football fans pay their money to hopefully see their team win and give their all.

Big Sam is proving he was correct to blame injuries ..... Lets see if you put the cheats away 2-0 next week

I doubt it ..... I see a 0-0 bore draw. A welsh double relegation could be on the cards looking at both sides form.

I think it was Fabio who I wasn't happy with as he seemed very slow reacting, Craig is correct, Whitts was too casual pressing the passer but to me Fabio(35) was at fault.

I don't know if was whitts but who ever it was providing cover on the flank for THEIR opening goal. they deserve a bollocking.

Bellamy took up Fabio's position as Fabio moved centrally.

it was noone

That's correct, noone just stood there and let the winger get way ahead of him, noone is very good with the ball at his feet but can't get back and defend to save his life.

Maybe Noone wasn't tight enough, it's hard to say. Personally I think Fabio should have read the pass and run in behind Noone a bit quicker.

Ok .... Nice bloke.

But he's not very good is he ..... Seems to be a board and crowd pleaser.

Truth is " nice blokes " hardly manage well football clubs.

I remember the words of a manager to a member of management staff starting after being a player for the same club , it went like this

" &££&@ listen your now on the other side , the first thing to remember is football players are all Cunts never forget that "

Its only a few weeks ago you were saying that Malky was going to replace big Sam. Have you had a change of heart?

Not sure what that has to do with the thread topic .... But as you ask.

I wasn't saying it.... The West Ham Board were thinking it and Big Sams results were shocking he convinced the board he could turn it round when his players return from injury etc and he's proving himself right and the board right in sticking with him.

We now have first choice CH positions back that kept constant clean sheets , midfield dynamite as normal , wingers who are quality and getting the balls in ( albeit Jarvis needs to get a bit of form back ) and the big man back winning everything and feeding the likes of Nolan. Perfection really for a relegation scrap and gaining the points.

In respect, it has everything to do with your original post. OGS is not a nice bloke,,,as a manager,,,as some of our players have recently experienced. He's not afraid to make difficult, & somewhat unpopular decisions in the per suite of a win.

The guys a winner, first and foremost,, & a leader,,, that's why he's here. He won't accept second best from anyone at our club!

OGS is not a nice bloke?

Ok .... Nice bloke.

But he's not very good is he ..... Seems to be a board and crowd pleaser.

Truth is " nice blokes " hardly manage well football clubs.

I remember the words of a manager to a member of management staff starting after being a player for the same club , it went like this

" &££&@ listen your now on the other side , the first thing to remember is football players are all Cunts never forget that "

Its only a few weeks ago you were saying that Malky was going to replace big Sam. Have you had a change of heart?

Not sure what that has to do with the thread topic .... But as you ask.

I wasn't saying it.... The West Ham Board were thinking it and Big Sams results were shocking he convinced the board he could turn it round when his players return from injury etc and he's proving himself right and the board right in sticking with him.

We now have first choice CH positions back that kept constant clean sheets , midfield dynamite as normal , wingers who are quality and getting the balls in ( albeit Jarvis needs to get a bit of form back ) and the big man back winning everything and feeding the likes of Nolan. Perfection really for a relegation scrap and gaining the points.

In respect, it has everything to do with your original post. OGS is not a nice bloke,,,as a manager,,,as some of our players have recently experienced. He's not afraid to make difficult, & somewhat unpopular decisions in the per suite of a win.

The guys a winner, first and foremost,, & a leader,,, that's why he's here. He won't accept second best from anyone at our club!

Hi Rick,

A bold statement and thank you for your respect. Lets look at your statement.

He is a nice bloke, I think you will find he's a very admirable human being with great human standards. I know where your coming from though what could be said " when you cross the line , or get in the ring "

Yes ... He's won a lot as a player in a great side at the time , no taking that away, although often a sub. Clearly had the desire to Win. ferguson praises him well in his book, but there again he did Moyes as well

He's here first and foremost to have a go at premiership Club management for the first time. Only time will tell on that score.

His substitution of Whitts yesterday could be seen two ways ..... Shit team selection and the player shouldn't have started.

Great sub when a player was having a mare.

You possibly know far more info , but to me as an outsider , would say he's a nice bloke but its early doors, haven't seen anything to demonstrate otherwise. I thought his comments of he would give the fans the style of football they want and will play their way out of relegation were though naive and a typical comment of a " nice bloke " telling the fans what they wanted to hear as they had been moaning about Malky football.

Maybe you know more and could enlighten further ? As always will read your view and comments with respect.

Thanks Daya, but i hardly qualify to know more than you, or any one else on on OGS, apart from what i see & hear.

OGS was appointed to do a "job" at Cardiff City FC, & paid more than the going rate to do so, I'm sure.
He's not going to take any prisoners either,,& why should he?
In little over three months, if it all goes tit's up, he can just walk away. Simple really.

He's got nothing to loose here,,,,but a hell of a lot more to gain,,,,IMHO.

Sounds like .... Gets away with it though as it worked, out of interest did you equalise first or second half ?

2nd half two goals in 2 minutes.

We had a good 10/15 minute spell but apart from that we were awful and but for poor finishing Marshall heroics it could have been a heavy defeat.

Don't let the Rose tinters on here tell you any different.[/quote]

Not really great management then ..... Switch would have been better half time. Opposite Manager knew what he was facing second half tactically.

Crowd booing ( out of order in my book ) and Your man made the change to please the baying crowd and look better to his bosses and pleasing the paying clients.[/quote]


the way i look at it steve is in the position our teams are in you need players to knuckle down and tackle and run their hearts out.
who would you take into a physical must win encounter whitts or nolan. Im afraid we have to sacrifice a bit of creativity for some hard work up and down the pitch and whitts dosent bring that.
the top teams allow us to play which gives whitts time but the teams we are facing over the next month will not give us the luxury of time as they will press us all over the pitch[/quote]

Agree mate.... Sounds like he shouldn't have been selected in the first place .

Look at our Matty Taylor .... Work rate and desire fantastic , hence often gets selected over the likes of Diame.

Big Sam knows his stuff ![/quote]

Big Sam has a side in the bottom 3. Blame on injuries as much as you wish but two weeks ago
all West Ham fans called for him to be sacked so maybe you support the wrong team to be calling
Cardiff moaner supporters. There were ten minutes before half-time when Zaha came on. surely
a better tactic would be trying to score the equaliser before the break? it was hard on Whittingham
but he was poor. Decent fans could see maybe it as the end for him so he should have been given
applause not boos. He did not play poor deliberately[/quote][/quote]

Any chance of stringing something together that's literate and makes any sense without too bitter servings instead of debate ?

We've beat you twice this season maybe that's where your resentment comes from ?

Anyway , I do agree on your point he should have been applauded off.

As for blaming injuries ..... When you can't put a team out with even actual centre halves in the team I think you could call that a problem !

Football fans will always get pissed off and call for Managers heads when losing and poor performances. Football fans pay their money to hopefully see their team win and give their all.

Big Sam is proving he was correct to blame injuries ..... Lets see if you put the cheats away 2-0 next week

I doubt it ..... I see a 0-0 bore draw. A welsh double relegation could be on the cards looking at both sides form.[/quote]

Big Sam has still got a team in a relegation place. Premature of you to say he is proving correct?
Since beating a very poor Cardiff team West Ham have won 1 drew 1 lost 1. Also it seem you are
happy to agree that Cardiff supporters are wrong to boo Whittingham (i agree!!) but then somehow
make an allowance for West Ham supporters booing big Sam. My poor composition is as English was
not my first language.

Not really great management then ..... Switch would have been better half time. Opposite Manager knew what he was facing second half tactically.

Do you really think Hughton would have been surprised by seeing Zaha coming on as a sub for the second half? OGS clearly wanted an equaliser before half time an took off the worst performer in the Cardiff-team to change the game, which it did. As for his team selections it is quite clear to me that he don't want to make to many changes in his first few games and that he's letting the "old" players show what they can do before they eventually will be replaced by his new signings.

To be honest I'm amazed that Noone has got off so lightly for what was in truth criminal school boy defending for their first goal. If that was Whitts or Turner there would be more than 50 threads about it by now!

As for Whitts, he should have been dropped/rested a while ago now. He's ineffective and never ever takes responsibility.

On Tuesday I saw Ole fly out of the dug out screaming at him when he let Bellamy take a corner in the last couple of minutes.

It's clear to me that Ole is not a fan of possession football for possession sake. He likes players to play with forward intent, and that goes for Whitts, Medel and everyone else.

You can see that he has worked in training on getting the players receiving the ball with attacking intent. Maybe Whitts wasn't doing what Ole asked him to do! If that's the case the i'm glad he was dragged off.
I'm not glad he was cheered off though that's another thing.

The guy has simply got to up his game. He'll just have to get his head down and show the manager that he is wrong. Time will tell if he has the fight in him to do that.

To be honest I'm amazed that Noone has got off so lightly for what was in truth criminal school boy defending for their first goal. If that was Whitts or Turner there would be more than 50 threads about it by now!

As for Whitts, he should have been dropped/rested a while ago now. He's ineffective and never ever takes responsibility.

On Tuesday I saw Ole fly out of the dug out screaming at him when he let Bellamy take a corner in the last couple of minutes.

It's clear to me that Ole is not a fan of possession football for possession sake. He likes players to play with forward intent, and that goes for Whitts, Medel and everyone else.

You can see that he has worked in training on getting the players receiving the ball with attacking intent. Maybe Whitts wasn't doing what Ole asked him to do! If that's the case the i'm glad he was dragged off.
I'm not glad he was cheered off though that's another thing.

The guy has simply got to up his game. He'll just have to get his head down and show the manager that he is wrong. Time will tell if he has the fight in him to do that.

harsh on Noone

Hahaha.

When you thought it was whitts who was covering you were all for a bollicking.

Now its been pointed out it was Noone with the awful defending then its "harsh" to have a go at him.

What a prick.

To be honest I'm amazed that Noone has got off so lightly for what was in truth criminal school boy defending for their first goal. If that was Whitts or Turner there would be more than 50 threads about it by now!

As for Whitts, he should have been dropped/rested a while ago now. He's ineffective and never ever takes responsibility.

On Tuesday I saw Ole fly out of the dug out screaming at him when he let Bellamy take a corner in the last couple of minutes.

It's clear to me that Ole is not a fan of possession football for possession sake. He likes players to play with forward intent, and that goes for Whitts, Medel and everyone else.

You can see that he has worked in training on getting the players receiving the ball with attacking intent. Maybe Whitts wasn't doing what Ole asked him to do! If that's the case the i'm glad he was dragged off.
I'm not glad he was cheered off though that's another thing.

The guy has simply got to up his game. He'll just have to get his head down and show the manager that he is wrong. Time will tell if he has the fight in him to do that.

harsh on Noone

watch it again

Hahaha.

When you thought it was whitts who was covering you were all for a bollicking.

Now its been pointed out it was Noone with the awful defending then its "harsh" to have a go at him.

What a prick.

Just thought the same after reading it through. Just shows the bias Polo. Bunch of absolute fools. The idiots deserve 11 Cowie's and League One football.

http://m.youtube.com/results?q=cardiff% ... orwich&sm=

As Tony Gale says "What is Noone doing? Caught ball watching. Awful defending"

Fact remains he was awful yesterday (he didnt bother closing down the passer for the goal either)

In between Noone and Fabio.

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Fact remains he was awful yesterday (he didnt bother closing down the passer for the goal either)

He had just sprinted from another part of the pitch FFS. It was Noone's mistake. He let Olsson go. Bugger me do you even understand how marking is done?