WHY MALKY HAD TO GO

Three of those signings were made to get us out of the championship last season.

Whats your point? We can't credit Malky for them? What nonsense!

Caulker is a good signing. The only good one since we got promoted. We've gotten rid of three of his signings from the summer already. He isn't good enough to be a premier league manager.

I'd argue that without Medel, we would also be screwed.

Look at Hull we were better then them last season but because they had a good Premier League manager who knew what to do in the transfer market they look a much safer bet to stay up then us.

we were better than them & who was the manager? the season isn't over yet, they are nowhere near safe.

So you think the 35m was well spent in the summer Chuckles?

So you think the 35m was well spent in the summer Chuckles?

The only disaster was Cornelius, which went badly wrong. Every manager has made a few bad signings, Sir Alex more than most & he's lauded as the greatest.

I just can't see why the fan base have to throw Malky's name down the gutter after his sacking and turn on him like they have. He did well for us & should be respected for that.

For every poor signing, there are some excellent ones. He seemed to have a problem with scouting a decent striker though.

So you think the 35m was well spent in the summer Chuckles?

The only disaster was Cornelius, which went badly wrong. Every manager has made a few bad signings, Sir Alex more than most & he's lauded as the greatest.

I just can't see why the fan base have to throw Malky's name down the gutter after his sacking and turn on him like they have. He did well for us & should be respected for that.

For every poor signing, there are some excellent ones. He seemed to have a problem with scouting a decent striker though.

So Odemwingie and Brayford were not disasterous signings then?

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Break it down all you want mate, there's 2 wins between us and tenth. How many other clubs between these positions have shit stats, hmmm... All of them.

We were in freefall. The stats dont lie.

But this one of you're many posts ridiculing the stats which I provided on another topic...

Whats the stats on chances hes created?

Not to mention if he takes two players on, opens up the space, plays it to someonelse who plays it through to another player that doesnt count as an assist so your stats dont account for that.

I will go with my eyes thanks rather than restricted stats as football is played on grass not a computer screen..

You point blank refuse to understand that other fans have a different viewpoint from your own and you have absolutly no credibility

He didn't know what he was doing in the transfer market.

Yet he signed Caulker, Noone, Mutch, Campbell - all of whom have done well this season. Medel started very brightly too, but has gone off the boil somewhat.

If personally add Turner in there too, cheap and has done extremely well for me. Kim has shown well at times too, again another cheap Malky signing.

He made some poor signings, what manager hasn't? But to say he was clueless at transfers is wrong, for me.

Alex, I totally agree with you and next week, I will show and prove why

So Odemwingie and Brayford were not disasterous signings then?

Wouldn't call Odemwingie a disaster, no. Brayford? Well, who knows what went on there. I do recall everyone being very happy about him joining & that he was extremely highly rated in the second tier, so who knows what went on there. Certainly not a disaster though.

Break it down all you want mate, there's 2 wins between us and tenth. How many other clubs between these positions have shit stats, hmmm... All of them.

We were in freefall. The stats dont lie.

But this one of you're many posts ridiculing the stats which I provided on another topic...

Whats the stats on chances hes created?

Not to mention if he takes two players on, opens up the space, plays it to someonelse who plays it through to another player that doesnt count as an assist so your stats dont account for that.

I will go with my eyes thanks rather than restricted stats as football is played on grass not a computer screen..

You point blank refuse to understand that other fans have a different viewpoint from your own and you have absolutly no credibility

Completely different I am afraid.

My stats are final, and count towards the league table.

Your starts had variances as pointed out and count for nothing,

Three of those signings were made to get us out of the championship last season.

Whats your point? We can't credit Malky for them? What nonsense!

Caulker is a good signing. The only good one since we got promoted. We've gotten rid of three of his signings from the summer already. He isn't good enough to be a premier league manager.

I'd argue that without Medel, we would also be screwed.

Look at Hull we were better then them last season but because they had a good Premier League manager who knew what to do in the transfer market they look a much safer bet to stay up then us.

we were better than them & who was the manager? the season isn't over yet, they are nowhere near safe.

I'm not being funny or anything but are you thick?

We're talking about why malky had to go, it's nothing to do with last season. Last season he done a good job.

This season in the premier league he couldn't make the right signings. He wasted a lot of money and it was right that he was sacked.

Also with you Hull comments.

1. We WERE better then them last season with malky in charge but they improved a lot an we barely improved at all. That's the point I was making about malky needing to go

2. I never said hull were safe once, I said they look a lot safer bet then us of staying up. I also know when the season finishes.

So Odemwingie and Brayford were not disasterous signings then?

Wouldn't call Odemwingie a disaster, no. Brayford? Well, who knows what went on there. I do recall everyone being very happy about him joining & that he was extremely highly rated in the second tier, so who knows what went on there. Certainly not a disaster though.

Yeah ok

So you think the 35m was spent well then?

Ive seen various comments about how we were difficult to beat under Malky, how he would have kept us up, how he had never dropped into the bottom 3.etc.etc.etc

Well I have done some in depth investigation on our season under Malky and here are my findings which I think dispell some of these comments.

Ok, lets take a look at Cardiff in the PL under Malky statistics shall we:

Games
Played: 18
Won: 4
Drew: 5
Lost: 9
Points: 17
Goals scored - 13
Goals conceded - 18

Defecit
Of the 9 games lost we lost by
1 goal - x 1
2 goals - x 4
3 goals - x 4

Goals Conceded
In the 18 games we conceded 27 goals. Split as followed:
5 clean sheets
1 goal x 3 games
2 goals x 6 games
3 goals x 3 games
4 goals x 1 games

Goals scored
In the 18 games we scored just 13 goals. Split as follows:
9 blanks
1 goal x 6 games
2 goals x 2 games
3 goals x 1 game

So on average we were conceding 1.55 goals per game under Malky and in 10 of the 18 games we conceded 2 or more goals.

On average we scored 0.72 goals per game, drawing a blank 9 times, and only scoring 2+ in 3 of the 18 games.

Also some side notes we conceded in the 1st half in 10 of the 18 games, and were also 2 or 3 goals down before half time in several of the games, 2 in particular Malkys last 2 games in charge.

Ive looked at where we accumulated the points and was alarmed to see that after match day 6, Fulham away, arguably our best PL performance under Malky, the stats are somehwat shocking.

Here are the stats post Fulham:


Games
Played: 12
Won: 2
Drew: 3
Lost: 7
Points: 9
Goals scored - 7
Goals conceded - 21

Defecit
Of the 7 games lost we lost by
2 goals - x 3
3 goals - x 4


Goals Conceded
In the 12 games we conceded 21 goals. Split as followed:
4 clean sheets
2 goals x 4 games
3 goals x 3 games
4 goals x 1 games

Goals scored
In the 12 games we scored just 7 goals. Split as follows:
6 blanks
1 goal x 5 games
2 goals x 1 games


So on average, post Fulham we were conceding 1.75 goals per games, and in 8 of the 12 games we conceded 2 or more goals.

On average we scored 0.58 goals per game, drawing a blank 6 times, and only scoring 2+ in 1 of the 12 games.

So as you can see we are getting progressively worse, and if you take the last 6 games of his reign, 6 being a usual marker for "form" it makes for worse reading than the post Fulham 12 game stats.

In a game wherby you have to score more than the opposition to win, or at least score as many to get a point, then the statistics do not read well.

So to conclude, we had a good start to life in the PL. Up to and including Fulham I am sure we would all agree 8 points (2 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses) from 6 games (18 points available), scoring 6, conceding 7, we were aquitting ourselves well, especially having faced home games against City, Spurs and Everton.

However, after this point, we then only take another 9 points in the next 12 games (36 points available). Scoring just 7 and conceding 21.

So whilst we may have not dropped into the bottom 3 under Malky we were in freefall, had dropped to 17th and with Arsenal, City and Man U away in January only the staunchest of Malky fans, or a complete retard, could deny dropping into the relegation zone was inevitable, and given we could not score under Malky, that in my opinion is where we were staying.

Also, to those who will inevitabely say we faced a number of the top teams at home pre Xmas, we also faced 7 of the bottom half teams away from home and only managed 6 points out of 21, and a measley 3 goals. A poor return I am sure you will agree.

We drew 5 blanks v West Ham, Norwich, Villa, Stoke and Palace. Not only that we barely created a chance in any of those games. Unforgiveable if we are truly honest.

All of this and only now I am mentioning the piss poor signings and the huge budget wasted on sub standard players. 3 of which now look to be out of the club already.

Ladies and gentleman of the jury. I rest my case.

And he burned a big pile of five pound notes in the car park for aCorn... Last person to take that much money out of the club was Sam Hammam, oh no that's done it made enemies with the forum hierarchy!

I'm not being funny or anything but are you thick?

We're talking about why malky had to go, it's nothing to do with last season. Last season he done a good job.

This season in the premier league he couldn't make the right signings. He wasted a lot of money and it was right that he was sacked.

Also with you Hull comments.

1. We WERE better then them last season with malky in charge but they improved a lot an we barely improved at all. That's the point I was making about malky needing to go

2. I never said hull were safe once, I said they look a lot safer bet then us of staying up. I also know when the season finishes.

If you're talking about Malky Mackay's transfer record, then it's totally fair to include ALL of his transfers. you can't just miss seasons out because they suit your agenda.

Nice to see that you can't debate back & start to be insulting instead too.

Yeah ok

So you think the 35m was spent well then?

Yep, neither were disasterous signings. Poor, yes. Disasterous? No.

Was the 35 mill well spent? It could have been spent better & the fact that a big chunk of it was spent on Cornelius seems to be particularly poor.

Doesn't mean that I will suddenly start to slag him off now he's gone, as we saw some good times in his short stint with the club & I will always be respectful of that.

Yeah ok

So you think the 35m was spent well then?

Yep, neither were disasterous signings. Poor, yes. Disasterous? No.

Was the 35 mill well spent? It could have been spent better & the fact that a big chunk of it was spent on Cornelius seems to be particularly poor.

Doesn't mean that I will suddenly start to slag him off now he's gone, as we saw some good times in his short stint with the club & I will always be respectful of that.

I agree it is the fact that he had played a blinder and fooled a lot of people in to thinking our current league predicament has nothing to do with him. Thanks Malky but take responsibility for your actions.

I'm not being funny or anything but are you thick?

We're talking about why malky had to go, it's nothing to do with last season. Last season he done a good job.

This season in the premier league he couldn't make the right signings. He wasted a lot of money and it was right that he was sacked.

Also with you Hull comments.

1. We WERE better then them last season with malky in charge but they improved a lot an we barely improved at all. That's the point I was making about malky needing to go

2. I never said hull were safe once, I said they look a lot safer bet then us of staying up. I also know when the season finishes.

If you're talking about Malky Mackay's transfer record, then it's totally fair to include ALL of his transfers. you can't just miss seasons out because they suit your agenda.

Nice to see that you can't debate back & start to be insulting instead too.

No you can't count all his transfer dealings if there at different levels of football.

He wasn't cut out for the premier league.

An maybe if you did debate properly an not think your a know it all b*stard you wouldn't get insults thrown at you.

I'm not being funny or anything but are you thick?

We're talking about why malky had to go, it's nothing to do with last season. Last season he done a good job.

This season in the premier league he couldn't make the right signings. He wasted a lot of money and it was right that he was sacked.

Also with you Hull comments.

1. We WERE better then them last season with malky in charge but they improved a lot an we barely improved at all. That's the point I was making about malky needing to go

2. I never said hull were safe once, I said they look a lot safer bet then us of staying up. I also know when the season finishes.

If you're talking about Malky Mackay's transfer record, then it's totally fair to include ALL of his transfers. you can't just miss seasons out because they suit your agenda.

Nice to see that you can't debate back & start to be insulting instead too.

As you said in a recent spat with trooblue "we are in a better league now and need better players"

Can you defend Malkys 35m spend in the summer? I dont think even his most loyal of supporters can.

Break it down all you want mate, there's 2 wins between us and tenth. How many other clubs between these positions have shit stats, hmmm... All of them.

We were in freefall. The stats dont lie.

But this one of you're many posts ridiculing the stats which I provided on another topic...

Whats the stats on chances hes created?

Not to mention if he takes two players on, opens up the space, plays it to someonelse who plays it through to another player that doesnt count as an assist so your stats dont account for that.

I will go with my eyes thanks rather than restricted stats as football is played on grass not a computer screen..

You point blank refuse to understand that other fans have a different viewpoint from your own and you have absolutly no credibility

Completely different I am afraid.

My stats are final, and count towards the league table.

Your starts had variances as pointed out and count for nothing,

Nothing to do with variances - stats are stats there is no variation

You're stats are for the first half of the season leading up to the January transfer window - its not as simple as just doubling the points

You said "I will go with my eyes thanks rather than resticted stats as football is played on grass and not a computer screen"

Now you want to use stats to back up you're views on football? No credibility

As you said in a recent spat with trooblue "we are in a better league now and need better players"

Can you defend Malkys 35m spend in the summer? I dont think even his most loyal of supporters can.

Of course, but those players mentioned ARE good enough for the premier league & you can't discount them just because they were signed before the premiership. They are still Mackay signings.

Funny though that the majority of people were raving about the majority of his signings, such as Medel, Odemwingie earlier on in the season, yourself included.

No you can't count all his transfer dealings if there at different levels of football.

He wasn't cut out for the premier league.

An maybe if you did debate properly an not think your a know it all b*stard you wouldn't get insults thrown at you.

And those signings were used in the level of football you are talking about, so yes you can use them.

As you said in a recent spat with trooblue "we are in a better league now and need better players"

Can you defend Malkys 35m spend in the summer? I dont think even his most loyal of supporters can.

Of course, but those players mentioned ARE good enough for the premier league & you can't discount them just because they were signed before the premiership. They are still Mackay signings.

Funny though that the majority of people were raving about the majority of his signings, such as Medel, Odemwingie earlier on in the season, yourself included.

It doesn't matter what people thought his signings were like early on in the season.

It's what they actually turn out like that counts.

Malky couldn't improve a championship squad and got sacked. He was playing Don Cowie for fucks sake

No you can't count all his transfer dealings if there at different levels of football.

He wasn't cut out for the premier league.

An maybe if you did debate properly an not think your a know it all b*stard you wouldn't get insults thrown at you.

And those signings were used in the level of football you are talking about, so yes you can use them.

You arrogant Chuckles dear. now off.

It doesn't matter what people thought his signings were like early on in the season.

It's what they actually turn out like that counts.

Malky couldn't improve a championship squad and got sacked. He was playing Don Cowie for fucks sake

He clearly improved a championship squad. unless you are suggesting signing the likes of Caulker, Medel et al wasn't improving the squad?

Break it down all you want mate, there's 2 wins between us and tenth. How many other clubs between these positions have shit stats, hmmm... All of them.

We were in freefall. The stats dont lie.

But this one of you're many posts ridiculing the stats which I provided on another topic...

Whats the stats on chances hes created?

Not to mention if he takes two players on, opens up the space, plays it to someonelse who plays it through to another player that doesnt count as an assist so your stats dont account for that.

I will go with my eyes thanks rather than restricted stats as football is played on grass not a computer screen..

You point blank refuse to understand that other fans have a different viewpoint from your own and you have absolutly no credibility

Completely different I am afraid.

My stats are final, and count towards the league table.

Your starts had variances as pointed out and count for nothing,

Nothing to do with variances - stats are stats there is no variation

You're stats are for the first half of the season leading up to the January transfer window - its not as simple as just doubling the points

You said "I will go with my eyes thanks rather than resticted stats as football is played on grass and not a computer screen"

Now you want to use stats to back up you're views on football? No credibility

You were talking wether or not a player is any good based on goals and assists only.

By your admission there were variances and stats unaccounted for in what makes a player a good player.

Who is a better player is opinion and ill go with my eyes than just 2 basic stats that dint tell the whole story.

The wins, draws, loss, goals for, goals against columns, points gained are fact not opinion.

Who the hell mentioned doubling the points? Making things up to suit your agenda now, yet you say I have no credibility.

It doesn't matter what people thought his signings were like early on in the season.

It's what they actually turn out like that counts.

Malky couldn't improve a championship squad and got sacked. He was playing Don Cowie for fucks sake

He clearly improved a championship squad. unless you are suggesting signing the likes of Caulker, Medel et al wasn't improving the squad?

There you go again you arrogant b*stard.
No he hasn't improved the squad he's improved the team by two players.
Do you know the difference between squad and team?

It doesn't matter what people thought his signings were like early on in the season.

It's what they actually turn out like that counts.

Malky couldn't improve a championship squad and got sacked. He was playing Don Cowie for fucks sake

He clearly improved a championship squad. unless you are suggesting signing the likes of Caulker, Medel et al wasn't improving the squad?

35m spent and weve only upgraded a centre half and a DM and you defend his transfer dealings this summer,

No you can't count all his transfer dealings if there at different levels of football.

He wasn't cut out for the premier league.

An maybe if you did debate properly an not think your a know it all b*stard you wouldn't get insults thrown at you.

And those signings were used in the level of football you are talking about, so yes you can use them.

You arrogant Chuckles dear. now off.

Still a grass then Chuckles dear?

It doesn't matter what people thought his signings were like early on in the season.

It's what they actually turn out like that counts.

Malky couldn't improve a championship squad and got sacked. He was playing Don Cowie for fucks sake

He clearly improved a championship squad. unless you are suggesting signing the likes of Caulker, Medel et al wasn't improving the squad?

35m spent and weve only upgraded a centre half and a DM and you defend his transfer dealings this summer,

I've already said that they weren't great, but to write them off as disastrous is also wrong, in my opinion.

I just find it crazy that people slate Mackay for not playing no one earlier (which I agree with) but to refuse to credit him for signing him in the first place.

It doesn't matter what people thought his signings were like early on in the season.

It's what they actually turn out like that counts.

Malky couldn't improve a championship squad and got sacked. He was playing Don Cowie for fucks sake

He clearly improved a championship squad. unless you are suggesting signing the likes of Caulker, Medel et al wasn't improving the squad?

35m spent and weve only upgraded a centre half and a DM and you defend his transfer dealings this summer,

I've already said that they weren't great, but to write them off as disastrous is also wrong, in my opinion.

I just find it crazy that people slate Mackay for not playing no one earlier (which I agree with) but to refuse to credit him for signing him in the first place.

How can you give somebody credit for signing somebody he refuses to play?

Break it down all you want mate, there's 2 wins between us and tenth. How many other clubs between these positions have shit stats, hmmm... All of them.

We were in freefall. The stats dont lie.

But this one of you're many posts ridiculing the stats which I provided on another topic...

Whats the stats on chances hes created?

Not to mention if he takes two players on, opens up the space, plays it to someonelse who plays it through to another player that doesnt count as an assist so your stats dont account for that.

I will go with my eyes thanks rather than restricted stats as football is played on grass not a computer screen..

You point blank refuse to understand that other fans have a different viewpoint from your own and you have absolutly no credibility

Completely different I am afraid.

My stats are final, and count towards the league table.

Your starts had variances as pointed out and count for nothing,

Nothing to do with variances - stats are stats there is no variation

You're stats are for the first half of the season leading up to the January transfer window - its not as simple as just doubling the points

You said "I will go with my eyes thanks rather than resticted stats as football is played on grass and not a computer screen"

Now you want to use stats to back up you're views on football? No credibility

You were talking wether or not a player is any good based on goals and assists only.

By your admission there were variances and stats unaccounted for in what makes a player a good player.

Who is a better player is opinion and ill go with my eyes than just 2 basic stats that dint tell the whole story.

The wins, draws, loss, goals for, goals against columns, points gained are fact not opinion.

Who the hell mentioned doubling the points? Making things up to suit your agenda now, yet you say I have no credibility.

I used stats to summerize then gave my opinion based on what I knew of the player - you were to arrogant and unaccomodating you just rushed in to shout my post down

Stats are stats - they don't lie but they dont give a full picture. Thats nothing to do with my own admission its just common sense and I didnt realise that I had to reiterate myself every time I comment on or post stats.

The wins, draws, loss, goals for, goals against columns are fact - of course they are but so is Zaha's Goals & Assists record and you had no problem shouting that down.

And before you shout out some bollocks about potential assists created, chances made, times hit the bar etc etc it is the same concept as a team defending brilliantly against teams a lot better than them but conceding goals because the other team is better - which would not be accounted for in you're stats (as mentioned earlier.. stats dont paint the full picture)

No one mentioned doubling points - but if you are stating Malky should have been sacked because of his league record in the first half of the season then you are disregarding any possibility that we would have improved as a team and the ratios & results would be the same throughout the season under Malky... in a nutshell doubling the points

Like how you state we would have gone down if Malky stayed. All fictional and pointless.

Regardless, both had/have the clubs interests at heart.

Guess results are more important.... ..........

Its an opinion, in resonse to other opinion, and presented with statistic and logic.

Its anything but pointless.

Ye like me saying Mackay shouldnt have been sacked.