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Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:50 pm

It was never going to change over night, Malky had it built into the squad to defend at all costs.

It will take time but I can see clear improvements.

Maybe a poor United side compared to some but it still had Mata, Van Persie.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:50 pm

If we have as much possession against the likes of Norwich as we did last night we will win especially with the likes of Zaha and Jones in the team who are better at their respective jobs. No offence to Bellamy but he does not have the legs to tie his full back up in knots like Zaha and Noone do. They will get us pens and play off Jones. I also believe the likes of Daehli will play more and he will create.

Ever thought Ole put out that team last night or at least some of the players to ensure others were ready for the important games in February? Injuries can derail an entire campaign. It only takes a few - ask our neighbours down west how badly injuries have blighted their campaign so far.

Some people need to wake up. If Daehli played the full 90 last night, got injured, and we then had to resort to using Cowie due to lack of depth in quality you'd be crying even more. We need to be clever. Last night was a game we were expected to lose so I believe Ole played a different team to what he will vs Norwich.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:54 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:Dam Ole, we should have demolished shit teams like Arsenal, Man U and Man City.....especially in their back yard!


He wasnt in charge for Arsenal.

We battered West Ham just couldnt get the break.

The other two games well we would have got f**k all out of them under Malky or Pulis as well.

Pulis went to Man City a few weeks back, same result zero points, but at least we scored a couple.

I am seeing much more improvement to our posession and attacking play under OGS then we did under Malky.

Be a better judge end of Feb when we have played 3 more winnable home games.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:54 pm

Hope your right Arrow.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:56 pm

2blue2handle wrote:It was never going to change over night, Malky had it built into the squad to defend at all costs.

It will take time but I can see clear improvements.

Maybe a poor United side compared to some but it still had Mata, Van Persie.


Ashley Young, Rooney on the bench.

There was a buzz around OT last night that hadnt been for some time according to reports on SSN and Talksport.

The new signing of Mata and RVP and Rooney back from injury gave them a lift.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:57 pm

Green Arrow wrote:If we have as much possession against the likes of Norwich as we did last night we will win especially with the likes of Zaha and Jones in the team who are better at their respective jobs. No offence to Bellamy but he does not have the legs to tie his full back up in knots like Zaha and Noone do. They will get us pens and play off Jones. I also believe the likes of Daehli will play more and he will create.

Ever thought Ole put out that team last night or at least some of the players to ensure others were ready for the important games in February? Injuries can derail an entire campaign. It only takes a few - ask our neighbours down west how badly injuries have blighted their campaign so far.

Some people need to wake up. If Daehli played the full 90 last night, got injured, and we then had to resort to using Cowie due to lack of depth in quality you'd be crying even more. We need to be clever. Last night was a game we were expected to lose so I believe Ole played a different team to what he will vs Norwich.


Correct - in one of his interviews OGS said he built the FA Cup team anticipating the real game being this Saturday, and in turn selecting the team against Man U.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:57 pm

Bluesince92 wont be happy with all you guys who didnt go last night offering opinions.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:59 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:It was never going to change over night, Malky had it built into the squad to defend at all costs.

It will take time but I can see clear improvements.

Maybe a poor United side compared to some but it still had Mata, Van Persie.


Ashley Young, Rooney on the bench.

There was a buzz around OT last night that hadnt been for some time according to reports on SSN and Talksport.

The new signing of Mata and RVP and Rooney back from injury gave them a lift.


I said to my mate last night, we are playing them at the worse possible time.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:00 pm

Bluesince92 wrote:
Your opinion means nothing then Craig I'm sorry. Unless you were 1 of 3000 or so who had a 9/10 hr round trip on a Tuesday night your comments don't mean a lot.


I love the internet, I think it was a great invention. But the one downside to it is that it's given people like you a way of spouting bullshit nonsense that no one should have to suffer through. Jog on.

And if you can't see the difference in how we play now, compared to under Malky, then it doesn't mean two shits whether you were at Old Trafford or not, because you clearly don't know bugger all about football.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:01 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:It was never going to change over night, Malky had it built into the squad to defend at all costs.

It will take time but I can see clear improvements.

Maybe a poor United side compared to some but it still had Mata, Van Persie.


Ashley Young, Rooney on the bench.

There was a buzz around OT last night that hadnt been for some time according to reports on SSN and Talksport.

The new signing of Mata and RVP and Rooney back from injury gave them a lift.


I said to my mate last night, we are playing them at the worse possible time.


Yup if we played the team they put out last week we would have gotten something. Unfortunately their best players came back in time

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:01 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:Bluesince92 wont be happy with all you guys who didnt go last night offering opinions.


He wasnt there for the West ham game. He sits by me. :laughing6:

Sharknose is a friend of mine, and usually talks sense, but dont agree with him on this one.

PS: He is also a massive Man U fan so was secretly happy last night :laughing6:

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:04 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:I personally believe mM should have been allowed to carry on uninterrupted as it was a lesser of a risk than what has happened.



I dont know how you can say that when:

Malky conceded on average 1.55 per game and got the tin tack before we had to face Arsenal, City and United away.

Marshall was superhuman in many of the games we managed to get a clean sheet under Malky and were it not for him the average would be more like 2.55

After our decent run in August / September and after the Fulham game (Arguably our best PL performance under Malky) we managed to score only 9 times in 12 games under Malky, failing to score in 6 of them.

In our last 8 games under Malky we managed to score in just 3 of them, and took just 5 points out of a possible 24.

We failed to score in 4 consecutive away games to Villa, Norwich, Stoke and Palace. In fact we barely mustered a chance.

If you add the West Ham, Hull and Fulham games to those away games under Malky we scored just 3 goals in 7 away games against lower half teams, and took just 6 points out of 21. Not good enough and it will bite us on the bum I think as we have now been left in a position whereby we pretty much have to win all our remaining home games not including Liverpool and Chelsea.

We were in free fall and heading for relegation under Malky, that is undeniable.

Goaless draws and fistpumps would have not kept us up I am afraid.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:08 pm

Clear WUM. Things have changed, we have creative freedom away from home, we just have a headless chicken for our first choice striker in Campbell when we spunked away 12m on strikers in the summer. I like Fraizer but he's f*cking dreadful unless it's literally handed to him on a plate and even then he still fucks up(When John put in a great ball and he slipped) Hopefully Jones can give us that spark but we need another striker IMO.

Things have changed, that was our hardest month going, we desperately have to get points this month now

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:10 pm

Like I said previously I'm happy to be proved wrong but can't see it myself.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:12 pm

Bluesince92 wrote:Same old City. Lots of possession but no cutting edge up front. 1 shot all game against a poor United team who were there for the taking. I'm all for giving Ole a chance but can't help thinking we should have gone for Tony Pulis. Proven at this level and it's no surprise Palace are up to 14th since he took over and are looking solid at the back. Don't win Saturday and we are a sure thing for relegation.


Ole took over a team virtually made up of championship players (that's why we lose possession easy, players not comfortable on the ball) and he is turning that around, a target man, (jones) an attacking full back (fabio) and a top class winger (zaha) all by the way were not available to the manager last night, we need wins to get out of this mess and we will now be far more attack minded than we were under malky (that's not hard to do) unfortunately, i don't think ole has enough time, after looking over the squad for just under a month he could do with the transfer window opening now not just about to close.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:17 pm

Bluesince92 wrote:Like I said previously I'm happy to be proved wrong but can't see it myself.

You can't see it yourself after our hardest month of the season, where he's had Malky's boys rather than his own and only now he's getting his own players?

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:20 pm

Bluesince92 wrote:Same old City. Lots of possession but no cutting edge up front. 1 shot all game against a poor United team who were there for the taking. I'm all for giving Ole a chance but can't help thinking we should have gone for Tony Pulis. Proven at this level and it's no surprise Palace are up to 14th since he took over and are looking solid at the back. Don't win Saturday and we are a sure thing for relegation.


We are looking much better under ole. We are passing the ball well and not just side to side, we are attacking teams more and creating more chances than under malky. BUT imo we are missing a top class striker who can shoot/score from outside and inside the box and who is capable of holding up play and bringing our wingers and midfielders in to play more to have goal opportunitys aswell. Fraizer doesn't offer enough in these areas and we will still have a poor goal scoring record and probably go down with him up top on his own.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:31 pm

Polo we are still in free fall and heading for relegation so no change there. I agree better judgement will be made end of feb but if we keep performing like we did last night then we'll be going down. Hope I'm wrong.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:36 pm

Bluesince92 wrote:Polo we are still in free fall and heading for relegation so no change there. I agree better judgement will be made end of feb but if we keep performing like we did last night then we'll be going down. Hope I'm wrong.

WE PLAYED A REJUVENATED UNITED WITH A WORLD CLASS STRIKER RETURNING, NOT TO MENTION WE WERE AWAAAAAAAAY FROM HOME

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:38 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:Marshall was superhuman in many of the games we managed to get a clean sheet under Malky and were it not for him the average would be more like 2.55


I wish more people realised this. If it wasn't for Marshall and Hudson's incredible form and superhero like abilities we'd have never gone up in the first place. They bailed Malky out so many times. Zaha and Bolasie run us ragged but got shots blocked constantly by Hudson and saved by Marshall. When Zaha did get a good curler off he hit the woodwork. Bolasie did the same then from the other side. We rode our luck so many times even at that level. Incredible that anyone could think it would work consistently enough at this level to be successful. It works in the odd games but its a plan B option deployed in times of desperation to cling on to points. Its not a way of playing thats going to bring success if used consistently.

The amount of times fans were on the edge of their seats last year when we were 1-0 up clinging on or we were trying to grab an equaliser (Rudy vs Leicester for example) was incredible. Marshall and Hudson were just inhumane last year and were class.

We won 25 games last year - 17 by a 1 goal margin. We were outplayed on many occasions but just managed to pull off the win by grabbing a goal.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:40 pm

Bluesince92 wrote:Polo we are still in free fall and heading for relegation so no change there. I agree better judgement will be made end of feb but if we keep performing like we did last night then we'll be going down. Hope I'm wrong.


hes only had 3 games mate, 2 of them away to City and United.

No-one could seriously expect anything from those 2 games and as I said West Ham it just wouldnt go in for us, we were camped in their final third for practically the whole of the 2nd half.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:03 pm

I was a lot happier last night and more positive about our future. I'm actually enjoying going to games again watching the football that OGS is trying to get our team playing. :thumbup:

There's a huge difference in the style of football being played in our last 2 away games against the likes of Man Utd and Man City, than the shit on a stick, anti football which was being served up on our trips to Villa, Stoke and Palace. If we have to go down playing positive football then so be it. I don't think I could have watched many more negative performances.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:04 pm

Is the OP on a wind up? Must be.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:15 pm

Ole's managed us for less than a month and 2 out of his 3 league games were against Man United and Man City away. :lol:

Some of our fans don't get football at all.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:52 pm

Also relevant is the number of decent crosses put in. There may not have been anyone there some of the time but that is down to our attacking players not being in the right place. I thought we gave a good effort but our biggest weaknesses are not having a player to put the ball in a corner of the net and positional awareness. Yes I was there last night so my opinion is valid :lol:

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:56 pm

Do we have a Bellend smiley?

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:03 pm

BUT imo we are missing a top class striker who can shoot/score from outside and inside the box and who is capable of holding up play and bringing our wingers and midfielders in to play more to have goal opportunitys aswell. Fraizer doesn't offer enough in these areas and we will still have a poor goal scoring record and probably go down with him up top on his own.

Agree with this. Doesn't make sense to play with Fraizer all alone on top with all the new pacy players coming in. Sign a good forward.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:10 pm

so watching 90mins at match is not same as seeing 90 mins on tv? surely if you watch 90 mins of football either on tv or live you see same amount of shots . corners free kicks ect ect ? :lol: only difference is not same atmosphere! :thumbup:

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:30 pm

This is quality!

No change? If you didn't go on a round trip of 9/10 hours of drinking and etc then your opinion doesn't count...

I can't work out if it's a wind up or if you are still pissed.

Re: No change under Ole

Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:51 pm

What a lunatic, I had to post on this! Same old? When do we play possession football in the premier league, away, against the big 5? That was a completely different game I saw at old trafford...were you there? Admittedly what is the same is lack of cutting edge up top.