jacks get permission to expand liberty

No way is their 8k on the waiting list, they haven't sold out for a number of games this season.

8000 is what the club told the city council on the planning application, why would the lie.

..... To get planning permission? f*cking hell your naive.

They have to prove that the extension is needed.

So Swansea lied to get planning permission you obviously haven't read the application or the report which granted the planning permission, other wise you wouldn't have made such a pathetic statement.

Every home game is a sell out in the league barry.
The only empty seats are them nit taken up by away support.
Yes some games have seats spare were season ticket holders aint turned up but it realy is few and far between unlike the hundreds u have.
As for the rest iv put up, why is it bollocks?
Were u not getting 13k before your cup runs and play offs?
And was we not getting 15 k in our 2 season's in the champ?
It takes time to build a fan base after the shit we went through.

You have never averaged more than cardiff even in the champ and that's a fact. If you want me to bring up figures I can, you only have to ask

Every home game is a sell out in the league barry.
The only empty seats are them nit taken up by away support.
Yes some games have seats spare were season ticket holders aint turned up but it realy is few and far between unlike the hundreds u have.
As for the rest iv put up, why is it bollocks?
Were u not getting 13k before your cup runs and play offs?
And was we not getting 15 k in our 2 season's in the champ?
It takes time to build a fan base after the shit we went through.

You have never averaged more than cardiff even in the champ and that's a fact. If you want me to bring up figures I can, you only have to ask

Bobby, who cares? Both clubs have about 3500 fans who would support us through thick and thin. The rest will support us when we are doing well but still have their fav 'big teams' to fall back on whenever they want!

Every home game is a sell out in the league barry.
The only empty seats are them nit taken up by away support.
Yes some games have seats spare were season ticket holders aint turned up but it realy is few and far between unlike the hundreds u have.
As for the rest iv put up, why is it bollocks?
Were u not getting 13k before your cup runs and play offs?
And was we not getting 15 k in our 2 season's in the champ?
It takes time to build a fan base after the shit we went through.

You have never averaged more than cardiff even in the champ and that's a fact. If you want me to bring up figures I can, you only have to ask

Bobby, who cares? Both clubs have about 3500 fans who would support us through thick and thin. The rest will support us when we are doing well but still have their fav 'big teams' to fall back on whenever they want!

Swansealad obviously does because he was the one who mentioned it

Every home game is a sell out in the league barry.
The only empty seats are them nit taken up by away support.
Yes some games have seats spare were season ticket holders aint turned up but it realy is few and far between unlike the hundreds u have.
As for the rest iv put up, why is it bollocks?
Were u not getting 13k before your cup runs and play offs?
And was we not getting 15 k in our 2 season's in the champ?
It takes time to build a fan base after the shit we went through.

You have never averaged more than cardiff even in the champ and that's a fact. If you want me to bring up figures I can, you only have to ask

What did cardiff average in they're first season in the championship.

Every home game is a sell out in the league barry.
The only empty seats are them nit taken up by away support.
Yes some games have seats spare were season ticket holders aint turned up but it realy is few and far between unlike the hundreds u have.
As for the rest iv put up, why is it bollocks?
Were u not getting 13k before your cup runs and play offs?
And was we not getting 15 k in our 2 season's in the champ?
It takes time to build a fan base after the shit we went through.

You have never averaged more than cardiff even in the champ and that's a fact. If you want me to bring up figures I can, you only have to ask

Bobby, who cares? Both clubs have about 3500 fans who would support us through thick and thin. The rest will support us when we are doing well but still have their fav 'big teams' to fall back on whenever they want!

Swansealad obviously does because he was the one who mentioned it

He wasn't going down the 'we have more fans than you road' was he? It's a very popular trait on here about catchment areas, population, bigger historical gates, smallest ground in the prem, Welsh Wigan blah blah! The simple facts are as I said. Both clubs have a hardcore support of around 3500. Whoever has the most plastics should be of no concern to real fans. Do you honestly think for one minute that if things went tits up for either of us we would get the support that Portsmouth currently have at the bottom of Lge 2? Now thats the measure of support that both us have!

Every home game is a sell out in the league barry.
The only empty seats are them nit taken up by away support.
Yes some games have seats spare were season ticket holders aint turned up but it realy is few and far between unlike the hundreds u have.
As for the rest iv put up, why is it bollocks?
Were u not getting 13k before your cup runs and play offs?
And was we not getting 15 k in our 2 season's in the champ?
It takes time to build a fan base after the shit we went through.

You have never averaged more than cardiff even in the champ and that's a fact. If you want me to bring up figures I can, you only have to ask

What did cardiff average in they're first season in the championship.

Swansea averaged 15186

And

Cardiff averaged 18654

In their first 2 seasons together in the championship

Every home game is a sell out in the league barry.
The only empty seats are them nit taken up by away support.
Yes some games have seats spare were season ticket holders aint turned up but it realy is few and far between unlike the hundreds u have.
As for the rest iv put up, why is it bollocks?
Were u not getting 13k before your cup runs and play offs?
And was we not getting 15 k in our 2 season's in the champ?
It takes time to build a fan base after the shit we went through.

You have never averaged more than cardiff even in the champ and that's a fact. If you want me to bring up figures I can, you only have to ask

What did cardiff average in they're first season in the championship.

Swansea averaged 15186

And

Cardiff averaged 18654

In their first 2 seasons together in the championship

I didn't ask that. What was cardiff's average attendance in they're first season in the championship.

Every home game is a sell out in the league barry.
The only empty seats are them nit taken up by away support.
Yes some games have seats spare were season ticket holders aint turned up but it realy is few and far between unlike the hundreds u have.
As for the rest iv put up, why is it bollocks?
Were u not getting 13k before your cup runs and play offs?
And was we not getting 15 k in our 2 season's in the champ?
It takes time to build a fan base after the shit we went through.

You have never averaged more than cardiff even in the champ and that's a fact. If you want me to bring up figures I can, you only have to ask

Bobby, who cares? Both clubs have about 3500 fans who would support us through thick and thin. The rest will support us when we are doing well but still have their fav 'big teams' to fall back on whenever they want!

Swansealad obviously does because he was the one who mentioned it

He wasn't going down the 'we have more fans than you road' was he? It's a very popular trait on here about catchment areas, population, bigger historical gates, smallest ground in the prem, Welsh Wigan blah blah! The simple facts are as I said. Both clubs have a hardcore support of around 3500. Whoever has the most plastics should be of no concern to real fans. Do you honestly think for one minute that if things went tits up for either of us we would get the support that Portsmouth currently have at the bottom of Lge 2? Now thats the measure of support that both us have!

Portsmouth historically haven't had great support.

Every home game is a sell out in the league barry.
The only empty seats are them nit taken up by away support.
Yes some games have seats spare were season ticket holders aint turned up but it realy is few and far between unlike the hundreds u have.
As for the rest iv put up, why is it bollocks?
Were u not getting 13k before your cup runs and play offs?
And was we not getting 15 k in our 2 season's in the champ?
It takes time to build a fan base after the shit we went through.

You have never averaged more than cardiff even in the champ and that's a fact. If you want me to bring up figures I can, you only have to ask

Bobby, who cares? Both clubs have about 3500 fans who would support us through thick and thin. The rest will support us when we are doing well but still have their fav 'big teams' to fall back on whenever they want!

Swansealad obviously does because he was the one who mentioned it

He wasn't going down the 'we have more fans than you road' was he? It's a very popular trait on here about catchment areas, population, bigger historical gates, smallest ground in the prem, Welsh Wigan blah blah! The simple facts are as I said. Both clubs have a hardcore support of around 3500. Whoever has the most plastics should be of no concern to real fans. Do you honestly think for one minute that if things went tits up for either of us we would get the support that Portsmouth currently have at the bottom of Lge 2? Now thats the measure of support that both us have!

Portsmouth historically haven't had great support.

I didn't say they did did I? But they sure as hell have a bigger hardcore support than us or Cardiff.

Every home game is a sell out in the league barry.
The only empty seats are them nit taken up by away support.
Yes some games have seats spare were season ticket holders aint turned up but it realy is few and far between unlike the hundreds u have.
As for the rest iv put up, why is it bollocks?
Were u not getting 13k before your cup runs and play offs?
And was we not getting 15 k in our 2 season's in the champ?
It takes time to build a fan base after the shit we went through.

You have never averaged more than cardiff even in the champ and that's a fact. If you want me to bring up figures I can, you only have to ask

What did cardiff average in they're first season in the championship.

Swansea averaged 15186

And

Cardiff averaged 18654

In their first 2 seasons together in the championship

I didn't ask that. What was cardiff's average attendance in they're first season in the championship.

Cardiff were averaging 15612 while Swansea were averaging a massive 6k in the same year

Yoe were getting 13 k plus over a few seaaons.
Only after a few years in the champ and after your cup and play off runs did u get above 20k.
We were getting 15k on our 2 seasons in the champ without any cup or play off runs.
What im saying is u had a good 8 to 10 years above us to build your fan base.
It realy is nit that hard to understand and not even said we have a bigger fan base.
Keep up boy ffs

Cardiff were av 15 wile we av 6 in the same year?
Yes but u were in the champ wile we were in league 2.
What a bell end u are.

Yoe were getting 13 k plus over a few seaaons.
Only after a few years in the champ and after your cup and play off runs did u get above 20k.
We were getting 15k on our 2 seasons in the champ without any cup or play off runs.
What im saying is u had a good 8 to 10 years above us to build your fan base.
It realy is nit that hard to understand and not even said we have a bigger fan base.
Keep up boy ffs

So how we're cardiff averaging close to 16k in the 2003/2004 season

Cardiff were av 15 wile we av 6 in the same year?
Yes but u were in the champ wile we were in league 2.
What a bell end u are.

So in other words 14k of your fans r plastics

Was that not your first season?
If u look again it went down to 13k.
And over then next few years slowley went up.
But lets not gorget u had that clown hamman giving out huge wages to has been players and allso pushing for playoffs .
We in our first season had 15 k along with our second.
Bare in mind we had only just got there and had little publicity or success.
To cut a long story short for the last 10 years u have been in the top flight and second tier and had cup runs.
We hav only had 5 years in the top flight and second tier, before that we were lower league.

Was that not your first season?
If u look again it went down to 13k.
And over then next few years slowley went up.
But lets not gorget u had that clown hamman giving out huge wages to has been players and allso pushing for playoffs .
We in our first season had 15 k along with our second.
Bare in mind we had only just got there and had little publicity or success.
To cut a long story short for the last 10 years u have been in the top flight and second tier and had cup runs.
We hav only had 5 years in the top flight and second tier, before that we were lower league.

Rolling out the excuses by there, just got to point and laugh

Same goes for u then as when u were in league 1you av 8 k.
And only in the champ did your crowds break up yo 13 k plus.
And only after 2 cup finals an play off finals and near runs in yhe league did your crowd break 20 k.

But im right
But off course u allready now that but cant admit can u.

Lol your silence is deafening.
Next please

Talking to yourself is the second sign of madness. A grown man having the spelling ability of a five year old is the first.

This swansealad seems like a thick version of roathie.

Every home game is a sell out in the league barry.
The only empty seats are them nit taken up by away support.
Yes some games have seats spare were season ticket holders aint turned up but it realy is few and far between unlike the hundreds u have.
As for the rest iv put up, why is it bollocks?
Were u not getting 13k before your cup runs and play offs?
And was we not getting 15 k in our 2 season's in the champ?
It takes time to build a fan base after the shit we went through.

You have never averaged more than cardiff even in the champ and that's a fact. If you want me to bring up figures I can, you only have to ask

What did cardiff average in they're first season in the championship.

Swansea averaged 15186

And

Cardiff averaged 18654

In their first 2 seasons together in the championship

I didn't ask that. What was cardiff's average attendance in they're first season in the championship.

Cardiff were averaging 15612 while Swansea were averaging a massive 6k in the same year

Come on stop telling porkys, cardiff average attendance was around 13000 or even a bit lower in that first season in the championship.

Ironic when the worst supported club in the league tries to compare attendances.

But im right
But off course u allready now that but cant admit can u.

Do you really think your fan base can match Cardiff's ?
I understand where you are coming from on the whole decade thing in the championship. Surely you can see that both clubs have a new breed of supporters who might be classed as plastics/newbies. Its pretty irellevant at the moment to compare both clubs potential for growth.
Cardiff have already started their expansions in their first top flight season. Swansea however wont see significant change to the Liberty stadium for another 24/36 months. It is a big risk for any growing club to expand their grounds and hope to fill them.
There is no point in trying to compare attendances from the past, its now what matters. Cardiff and Tan see the potential in quick growth. Whilst this could be a bit dangerous potentially having a 33k stadium in the championship. Surely that in itself is enough evidence to you showing the differnces between the two clubs.

Comparing attendances shows that for virtually all of our histories we've had bigger gates - add to that larger nu bers going away.

For the halfwit going on about our 1st season in the champ, we were at NP then - our crowds almost doubled when we went to our new stadium - just like yours. The Family Stand in NP could only hold 1000 -the 6000 Family Stand at CCS has been sold out form day 1 to now. if we added another tier to this stand and gave it up to families we'd most likely sell that out too.

Also you can't have it both ways - the JBs are trying to say our crowds home and away are only so good this year because it's our first season up. then saying our crowds in the champ were only good because we were in it so long. make your feckin minds up


it shouldn't be a big deal to them - Cardiff is a bigger city and the in the Valleys our support outnumbers the jacks by miles - 800k-1m people live in the valleys. We've got a huge catchment area, so hardly surprising that when all things are equal we get better crods.

In Swansea's promotion season, a year when we were neck and neck on the pitch, both in our new grounds, probably the season where there would be the fairest comparison of our respective support- our home support was 40-50% more than theirs our away support 40-50% more. How on earth they can claim their support is as big as ours after that I don't know.

Every home game is a sell out in the league barry.
The only empty seats are them nit taken up by away support.
Yes some games have seats spare were season ticket holders aint turned up but it realy is few and far between unlike the hundreds u have.
As for the rest iv put up, why is it bollocks?
Were u not getting 13k before your cup runs and play offs?
And was we not getting 15 k in our 2 season's in the champ?
It takes time to build a fan base after the shit we went through.

You have never averaged more than cardiff even in the champ and that's a fact. If you want me to bring up figures I can, you only have to ask

What did cardiff average in they're first season in the championship.

Swansea averaged 15186

And

Cardiff averaged 18654

In their first 2 seasons together in the championship

I didn't ask that. What was cardiff's average attendance in they're first season in the championship.

Cardiff were averaging 15612 while Swansea were averaging a massive 6k in the same year

Come on stop telling porkys, cardiff average attendance was around 13000 or even a bit lower in that first season in the championship.

Really ? ...

2003–04 Cardiff City F.C. season - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003–04_Cardiff_City_F.C._season‎
Average home league attendance, 15,569

This at a ground which could only hold about 17000 home fans at the time.

Comparing attendances shows that for virtually all of our histories we've had bigger gates - add to that larger nu bers going away.

For the halfwit going on about our 1st season in the champ, we were at NP then - our crowds almost doubled when we went to our new stadium - just like yours. The Family Stand in NP could only hold 1000 -the 6000 Family Stand at CCS has been sold out form day 1 to now. if we added another tier to this stand and gave it up to families we'd most likely sell that out too.

Also you can't have it both ways - the JBs are trying to say our crowds home and away are only so good this year because it's our first season up. then saying our crowds in the champ were only good because we were in it so long. make your feckin minds up


it shouldn't be a big deal to them - Cardiff is a bigger city and the in the Valleys our support outnumbers the jacks by miles - 800k-1m people live in the valleys. We've got a huge catchment area, so hardly surprising that when all things are equal we get better crods.

In Swansea's promotion season, a year when we were neck and neck on the pitch, both in our new grounds, probably the season where there would be the fairest comparison of our respective support- our home support was 40-50% more than theirs our away support 40-50% more. How on earth they can claim their support is as big as ours after that I don't know.

So how come if cardiff is such a big club, that not long ago you were getting 5000 crowds and why did it take 51yrs to get back into the top division. Swansea can match anything cardiff can generate when it comes to support.

Every home game is a sell out in the league barry.
The only empty seats are them nit taken up by away support.
Yes some games have seats spare were season ticket holders aint turned up but it realy is few and far between unlike the hundreds u have.
As for the rest iv put up, why is it bollocks?
Were u not getting 13k before your cup runs and play offs?
And was we not getting 15 k in our 2 season's in the champ?
It takes time to build a fan base after the shit we went through.

You have never averaged more than cardiff even in the champ and that's a fact. If you want me to bring up figures I can, you only have to ask

What did cardiff average in they're first season in the championship.

Swansea averaged 15186

And

Cardiff averaged 18654

In their first 2 seasons together in the championship

I didn't ask that. What was cardiff's average attendance in they're first season in the championship.

Cardiff were averaging 15612 while Swansea were averaging a massive 6k in the same year

Come on stop telling porkys, cardiff average attendance was around 13000 or even a bit lower in that first season in the championship.

Really ? ...

2003–04 Cardiff City F.C. season - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003–04_Cardiff_City_F.C._season‎
Average home league attendance, 15,569

This at a ground which could only hold about 17000 home fans at the time.

And that figure is bollocks as Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. And it also shows you haven't been a cardiff fan for long. It was more like 13000.

Comparing attendances shows that for virtually all of our histories we've had bigger gates - add to that larger nu bers going away.

For the halfwit going on about our 1st season in the champ, we were at NP then - our crowds almost doubled when we went to our new stadium - just like yours. The Family Stand in NP could only hold 1000 -the 6000 Family Stand at CCS has been sold out form day 1 to now. if we added another tier to this stand and gave it up to families we'd most likely sell that out too.

Also you can't have it both ways - the JBs are trying to say our crowds home and away are only so good this year because it's our first season up. then saying our crowds in the champ were only good because we were in it so long. make your feckin minds up


it shouldn't be a big deal to them - Cardiff is a bigger city and the in the Valleys our support outnumbers the jacks by miles - 800k-1m people live in the valleys. We've got a huge catchment area, so hardly surprising that when all things are equal we get better crods.

In Swansea's promotion season, a year when we were neck and neck on the pitch, both in our new grounds, probably the season where there would be the fairest comparison of our respective support- our home support was 40-50% more than theirs our away support 40-50% more. How on earth they can claim their support is as big as ours after that I don't know.

So how come if cardiff is such a big club, that not long ago you were getting 5000 crowds and why did it take 51yrs to get back into the top division. Swansea can match anything cardiff can generate when it comes to support.

5000 crowds! How long ago was that?? Cardiff have always had bigger crowds than Swansea it's a fact and well documented