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Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:15 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:Oh well perhaps we should have stuck with Malky and only score in 3 out of 8 games. :roll:

This is one of the best leagues in the world working hard alone wont keep you up.

Blaming Tan for the god awful tactics is the biggest load of shit ive heard since blaming Tan for tge Acorn signing :laughing5:


But no getting away from the fact since he got involved in the dressing room the results have not been good.


Tan was banned from the dressing room by Malky before the Hull game. So your argument about Tan interfering is totally incorrect and Malky said himself before he was axed, that him and Tan hadn't spoken in a few months. I'll always appreciate what Malky did, but for footballing reasons and his waste of the transfer kitty last summer Malky had to go. We were heading one way under Malky and that was back to the Championship, there's a good chance we'll still end up there, but the change of Manager needed to happen. Fans like you are blinded by your hatred of Tan when it comes to Malky!

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:17 pm

Guts, strength, team spirit, organisation will get you a result on the day but not over a season. We were sussed. If the other team didn't make a mistake the worse it was going to be was 0-0 because we didn't have it in us to break down premier league defences.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:23 pm

llan bluebird wrote:Guts, strength, team spirit, organisation will get you a result on the day but not over a season. We were sussed. If the other team didn't make a mistake the worse it was going to be was 0-0 because we didn't have it in us to break down premier league defences.

Exactly. You cant go a 38 game season playing like you are lower league minnows in the cup trying to force a replay.

We never kicked on after our good run in August / September.

9 goals in 13 games after Fulham tells its own story.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:57 pm

Forever Blue wrote:I believe the squad does need tweaking and strengthening but I do have concerns that going through a transitional period smack in the middle of a relegation battle could be disastrous for our Premier League status.
By Carl Curtis
link
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ns-6569274

It is not about the influx of players, as most City fans will agree we need more flair and strength in depth. But will the new style of play, tactics and getting the squad to believe in a new system that Ole likes to use prove too much of change at this time of the season?
link
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ns-6569274


This change gives us a chance, under Malky we would go down.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:15 pm

I think we all need to get behind OGS. Personally I think we had a better chance of staying up under Malky but you can't argue that the football has improved under OGS. What worries me is the signings, I hope I'm wrong but none of the new players look Premier League quality to me.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:37 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:Nothing to do with it. Your hatred for Tan because of the rebrand is why you are trying to portion blame for our results.

Tan didnt pick Cowie on the wing or tell Ben Turner to keep hoofing it upfield and back to the oppisition.


He's got to blame Tan for everything or his mod duties will be taken from him.. All the mods think exactly the same as Annis hmmmm :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:40 pm

Jinks wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:Nothing to do with it. Your hatred for Tan because of the rebrand is why you are trying to portion blame for our results.

Tan didnt pick Cowie on the wing or tell Ben Turner to keep hoofing it upfield and back to the oppisition.


He's got to blame Tan for everything or his mod duties will be taken from him.. All the mods think exactly the same as Annis hmmmm :lol: :lol: :lol:


That's not true. Don't let that get in the way of your posts though. :laughing6: :laughing6:

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:25 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:
Jinks wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:Nothing to do with it. Your hatred for Tan because of the rebrand is why you are trying to portion blame for our results.

Tan didnt pick Cowie on the wing or tell Ben Turner to keep hoofing it upfield and back to the oppisition.


He's got to blame Tan for everything or his mod duties will be taken from him.. All the mods think exactly the same as Annis hmmmm :lol: :lol: :lol:


That's not true. Don't let that get in the way of your posts though. :laughing6: :laughing6:


I dont expect any less from Jinks.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:47 pm

Ian youve been blown out of the water with football logic on this thread.

I suggest you toddle off and join another thread / debate. :thumbup:

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:07 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:
Jinks wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:Nothing to do with it. Your hatred for Tan because of the rebrand is why you are trying to portion blame for our results.

Tan didnt pick Cowie on the wing or tell Ben Turner to keep hoofing it upfield and back to the oppisition.


He's got to blame Tan for everything or his mod duties will be taken from him.. All the mods think exactly the same as Annis hmmmm :lol: :lol: :lol:


That's not true. Don't let that get in the way of your posts though. :laughing6: :laughing6:


I dont expect any less from Jinks.


:laughing6: :laughing6:

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:37 pm

1899 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:It started going wrong when Tan had a go on the players bonuses and that was when we played Newcastle.

Would we be bottom of the league if Tan had kept his nose out, I think not.

I don't think we would have lost to the likes of Newcastle, Southampton or West Ham at home and I certainly think we could have got a victory at Palace IF Malky and the players were left alone to carry on.

I have noticed that a number on here are blaming Malky for us being bottom and have resided to the fact we were going down with him. Before Tan butted in no one was talking that way were they. Also under these difficult decisions we gained bragging rights over the Jacks. No one is giving Malky credit there but if we had lost that one my God the anti Malky brigade would be in full swing.

This is all generated because of Tan. We are in this position because of Tan. Malkys football was not pretty to watch and as far as I am concerned his scout let him down. However we were looking ok until Tan threw his teddy out of his pram.


Tan sabotaged his own club and is directly accountable for the collapse in morale and team spirit which was our strength under Malky. Tan saw to it that the wheels came off after Fulham and this is very likely to cost us our Premier League place.


I think you'll find any unrest was made known by our media king and ex manager. Why on earth Should Tan keep his nose out when he was having his cash spewed would you.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:08 pm

dannyblue wrote:
1899 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:It started going wrong when Tan had a go on the players bonuses and that was when we played Newcastle.

Would we be bottom of the league if Tan had kept his nose out, I think not.

I don't think we would have lost to the likes of Newcastle, Southampton or West Ham at home and I certainly think we could have got a victory at Palace IF Malky and the players were left alone to carry on.

I have noticed that a number on here are blaming Malky for us being bottom and have resided to the fact we were going down with him. Before Tan butted in no one was talking that way were they. Also under these difficult decisions we gained bragging rights over the Jacks. No one is giving Malky credit there but if we had lost that one my God the anti Malky brigade would be in full swing.

This is all generated because of Tan. We are in this position because of Tan. Malkys football was not pretty to watch and as far as I am concerned his scout let him down. However we were looking ok until Tan threw his teddy out of his pram.


Tan sabotaged his own club and is directly accountable for the collapse in morale and team spirit which was our strength under Malky. Tan saw to it that the wheels came off after Fulham and this is very likely to cost us our Premier League place.


I think you'll find any unrest was made known by our media king and ex manager. Why on earth Should Tan keep his nose out when he was having his cash spewed would you.



It's laughable the people who are getting excited about tan spending money on new signings will when the window shuts start moaning about the increased debt.
Why people think a chairman should just throw endless amounts of money into a club without having a say is amazing.
If I was in tans place I would be furious seeing two of the summer signings are on their way to other clubs whilst the 8 million pound striker is miles away from being ready for the premier league.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:23 pm

steve davies wrote:
dannyblue wrote:
1899 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:It started going wrong when Tan had a go on the players bonuses and that was when we played Newcastle.

Would we be bottom of the league if Tan had kept his nose out, I think not.

I don't think we would have lost to the likes of Newcastle, Southampton or West Ham at home and I certainly think we could have got a victory at Palace IF Malky and the players were left alone to carry on.

I have noticed that a number on here are blaming Malky for us being bottom and have resided to the fact we were going down with him. Before Tan butted in no one was talking that way were they. Also under these difficult decisions we gained bragging rights over the Jacks. No one is giving Malky credit there but if we had lost that one my God the anti Malky brigade would be in full swing.

This is all generated because of Tan. We are in this position because of Tan. Malkys football was not pretty to watch and as far as I am concerned his scout let him down. However we were looking ok until Tan threw his teddy out of his pram.


Tan sabotaged his own club and is directly accountable for the collapse in morale and team spirit which was our strength under Malky. Tan saw to it that the wheels came off after Fulham and this is very likely to cost us our Premier League place.


I think you'll find any unrest was made known by our media king and ex manager. Why on earth Should Tan keep his nose out when he was having his cash spewed would you.



It's laughable the people who are getting excited about tan spending money on new signings will when the window shuts start moaning about the increased debt.
Why people think a chairman should just throw endless amounts of money into a club without having a say is amazing.
If I was in tans place I would be furious seeing two of the summer signings are on their way to other clubs whilst the 8 million pound striker is miles away from being ready for the premier league.


Take away the change of colour and badge I fail to see why Tan gets blamed for everything bad at our club and nothing good.Whatever people's thoughts are one thing is certain without Tan we were in shit street. However agendas tend to cloud people's sense of reality.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:42 pm

Im of the opinion we were going down under Malky anyway so it can either only stay the same under Solskjaer and we do go down or it can get better and we stay up.

Malky was not keeping us up. He and Moody wasted millions and he didn't even have faith in some of his own signings to the level whereby they wouldn't play or feature on the bench.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:45 pm

One of the new Norwegians returning in for a bit.

After the first three weeks or so what I have seen happening from my own perspective is as follows:

Results:
A lucky cup win
An unlucky league loss
An expected league loss
A deserved cup win

Playing style:
Cardiff have started dominating possession as long as the opposition isn't superior (Man City). The forwards have problems hitting the goal, and the midfield lacks some creative initiative. Rather surprisingly the shooting accuracy was good against Man City of I remember the stats from that game correctly, so something may be brewing in that department. Cardiff have also started to play with more of a focus on the offensive, although the players are struggling a bit with the transition from a more purebred defensive tactic into one where initiative is both wanted and needed.

Players:
In Norway there's a concern about Solskjaer's "nepotism". Tactically it's not a good move to haul in Norwegian players from the same agent as he has himself, such decisions will lead to critical questions being raised, especially if the results don't come. A sentiment I share personally.
From what I understand at least one of those buys is the result of agents and players contacting Cardiff with open wallets, expecting them to be filled, and that OGS and the decision makers at Cardiff instead opting for a diplomatic but firm kick in the nuts of those people and hauling in a Norwegian player of decent quality instead. I kind of suspect some of the agents may suffer from having players with issues when the January transfer window closes, as you wouldn't need to be Nostradamus to think the thought that there are quite a few unhappy players that would have loved playing for OGS whatever British club he had been appointed at, and knowing that their agents greed is what stopped them from having that experience may possibly have some consequences. The possible fruits of this to be harvested in the summer transfer window.

The Norwegians bought: Eikrem is at a good enough level to be an impact substitute, may rise to the occasion and establish himself as a regular. Daehlie has made quite the impression from what I can see. A fine talent that should become fairly popular around here I guess, no matter what else happens for the rest of the season. Berget is a player I suspect will be given the same run as Eikrem, possible impact substitute that may or may not be able to raise the quality of his performance to become a regular.

Odemwingie out and Jones in, a nice move. I kind of suspect you guys would have been pleased with just about any striker in a straight swap deal for Odemwingie from what I have read on this forum. It'll be interesting to see where he'll be heading once his career is over incidentally, while he's a Nigeria international he was born in Uzbekistan.

Getting Fabio and Zaha should strengthen the team, both of them regarded as quality players and at least one of them should be poised for quick addition to the starting eleven.


The immediate future:
I don't see any good league results right away. ManU was up for grabs, but when they finally got the creative midfielder they have needed for a couple of seasons I kind of fear that the good, old ketchup effect will take place. The dried-up machinery of ManU have gotten long needed grease and should start firing at all cylinders again fairly soon and most likely straight away. There are weaknesses in that machinery to be exploited still, so a good result isn't unimaginable, but...
That Cardiff have gotten the best results in cup games under OGS does say something about team morale I think, the West Ham game most of all. Living up to expectations and pressure and not being stressed by it appears to be some way off still for quite a few players. That in addition to learning a new manner in which to regard the game and how to play it.

Norwich on February 1st will probably document how far (or not) the team has come in those departments. Swansea on February 8th should be an interesting one as well, and if any players truly succumb to pressure it will show in that match, and in a big way too presumably.

February appears to be -the- vital month when looking at the fixture list as well. Three home games you really should win, and if you do so and nick a point from Swansea as well you should have a few teams behind you, which will be needed as March looks like a tough month where I'll be surprised if you manage to get more than three points (against Fulham).

Some highly subjective points of view from the sidelines this, feel free to correct some of my many assumptions.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:21 pm

Good post. Dont agree with the nepotism bit as managers will always try and get olayers they know and have done well for them previously.

Dont agree Newcastle was lucky either but the rest I go aling with.

Either way we were going down under Malky for reasons ive already pinpointed in this thread so its a roll of the dice worth taking with Ole.

Re: I do have concerns that going through a transitional per

Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:29 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:Good post. Dont agree with the nepotism bit as managers will always try and get olayers they know and have done well for them previously.

Dont agree Newcastle was lucky either but the rest I go aling with.

Either way we were going down under Malky for reasons ive already pinpointed in this thread so its a roll of the dice worth taking with Ole.


if newcastle was lucky so was our win over man city who were not playing well at that time and the draw with everton who should have won comfortably. fulham lucky late goal.