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Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:21 pm

Bluebird86 wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
Bluebird86 wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
Bluebird86 wrote:
kimble wrote:Another little known signing from Norway another 23yr old with no premiership experience...I do fear we are preparing for the championship?

So because you don't know who they are it means they ain't good enough does it :lol:


He had an unsuccessful spell for Udinese in Serie A which in my opinion, is a lesser standard league than the Premiership. He's also only had 3 caps for Norway, which at 23 suggests he isn't quite up to our level, unless Norway have some really good midfielders keeping him out? If he isn't even good enough to make the Norway squad who lost to Scotland 1-0 in November, I am doubtful he will be good enough to improve our squad at the moment. But of course, I will wait until I see him play before making a proper judgement and I do hope he surprises me to prove my initial thoughts wrong.

Diego Forlan had an unsuccessful spell at man utd then went an smashed la liga.
An just because a player isn't picked for an international squad does not mean he's a bad player.
Frazier Campbell is no where near the England squad, should we sell him?


Diego Forlan never had a run of games for Man Utd and the the pace and physicality of the British game didn't suit his style of play, just like Velikonja. England are a better team than Norway. Comparing the standard of England's strikers ahead of Campbell to Norway's midfielders ahead of this guy we're signing is silly.

No saying he's not good enough because he hasn't been picked for his national side is silly.
Look at the players Coleman picks.
An thanks for proving my point about different players suiting different leagues.


But his national side is Norway, not England. Norway lost to Scotland 2 months ago, there's a huge difference in quality.

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:24 pm

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
Bluebird86 wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
Bluebird86 wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
Bluebird86 wrote:
kimble wrote:Another little known signing from Norway another 23yr old with no premiership experience...I do fear we are preparing for the championship?

So because you don't know who they are it means they ain't good enough does it :lol:


He had an unsuccessful spell for Udinese in Serie A which in my opinion, is a lesser standard league than the Premiership. He's also only had 3 caps for Norway, which at 23 suggests he isn't quite up to our level, unless Norway have some really good midfielders keeping him out? If he isn't even good enough to make the Norway squad who lost to Scotland 1-0 in November, I am doubtful he will be good enough to improve our squad at the moment. But of course, I will wait until I see him play before making a proper judgement and I do hope he surprises me to prove my initial thoughts wrong.

Diego Forlan had an unsuccessful spell at man utd then went an smashed la liga.
An just because a player isn't picked for an international squad does not mean he's a bad player.
Frazier Campbell is no where near the England squad, should we sell him?


Diego Forlan never had a run of games for Man Utd and the the pace and physicality of the British game didn't suit his style of play, just like Velikonja. England are a better team than Norway. Comparing the standard of England's strikers ahead of Campbell to Norway's midfielders ahead of this guy we're signing is silly.

No saying he's not good enough because he hasn't been picked for his national side is silly.
Look at the players Coleman picks.
An thanks for proving my point about different players suiting different leagues.


But his national side is Norway, not England. Norway lost to Scotland 2 months ago, there's a huge difference in quality.

I know he plays for Norway. But just because he's not picked does not mean he's not good enough an shouldn't be in the squad.

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:28 pm

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
Bluebird86 wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
Bluebird86 wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
Bluebird86 wrote:
kimble wrote:Another little known signing from Norway another 23yr old with no premiership experience...I do fear we are preparing for the championship?

So because you don't know who they are it means they ain't good enough does it :lol:


He had an unsuccessful spell for Udinese in Serie A which in my opinion, is a lesser standard league than the Premiership. He's also only had 3 caps for Norway, which at 23 suggests he isn't quite up to our level, unless Norway have some really good midfielders keeping him out? If he isn't even good enough to make the Norway squad who lost to Scotland 1-0 in November, I am doubtful he will be good enough to improve our squad at the moment. But of course, I will wait until I see him play before making a proper judgement and I do hope he surprises me to prove my initial thoughts wrong.

Diego Forlan had an unsuccessful spell at man utd then went an smashed la liga.
An just because a player isn't picked for an international squad does not mean he's a bad player.
Frazier Campbell is no where near the England squad, should we sell him?


Diego Forlan never had a run of games for Man Utd and the the pace and physicality of the British game didn't suit his style of play, just like Velikonja. England are a better team than Norway. Comparing the standard of England's strikers ahead of Campbell to Norway's midfielders ahead of this guy we're signing is silly.

No saying he's not good enough because he hasn't been picked for his national side is silly.
Look at the players Coleman picks.
An thanks for proving my point about different players suiting different leagues.


But his national side is Norway, not England. Norway lost to Scotland 2 months ago, there's a huge difference in quality.


Except Norway bulldozed Scotland with 19 shots on goal, and Scotland scored on one of their 2 shots. Norway also drew with Denmark in a similar game, though Denmark we're more "in the match" than Scotland were. Iceland were likewise put to the sword. All of this just weeks after changing managers.

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:30 pm

Bluebird86 wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
Bluebird86 wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
Bluebird86 wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
Bluebird86 wrote:
kimble wrote:Another little known signing from Norway another 23yr old with no premiership experience...I do fear we are preparing for the championship?

So because you don't know who they are it means they ain't good enough does it :lol:


He had an unsuccessful spell for Udinese in Serie A which in my opinion, is a lesser standard league than the Premiership. He's also only had 3 caps for Norway, which at 23 suggests he isn't quite up to our level, unless Norway have some really good midfielders keeping him out? If he isn't even good enough to make the Norway squad who lost to Scotland 1-0 in November, I am doubtful he will be good enough to improve our squad at the moment. But of course, I will wait until I see him play before making a proper judgement and I do hope he surprises me to prove my initial thoughts wrong.

Diego Forlan had an unsuccessful spell at man utd then went an smashed la liga.
An just because a player isn't picked for an international squad does not mean he's a bad player.
Frazier Campbell is no where near the England squad, should we sell him?


Diego Forlan never had a run of games for Man Utd and the the pace and physicality of the British game didn't suit his style of play, just like Velikonja. England are a better team than Norway. Comparing the standard of England's strikers ahead of Campbell to Norway's midfielders ahead of this guy we're signing is silly.

No saying he's not good enough because he hasn't been picked for his national side is silly.
Look at the players Coleman picks.
An thanks for proving my point about different players suiting different leagues.


But his national side is Norway, not England. Norway lost to Scotland 2 months ago, there's a huge difference in quality.

I know he plays for Norway. But just because he's not picked does not mean he's not good enough an shouldn't be in the squad.


I agree and like I said, I will watch him play and give him a good chance. I'm just a little concerned how he's 23 and only had 3 caps, but some players develop later than others. I think Jordon Mutch only had 1 cap for the England under 21's but I said towards the end of last season that I believe he will go on to be an England international.

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:45 pm

PartyWithOle wrote:Fernando Torres/Luis Suarez never played in the Prem before they came here, bet Liverpool regret signing em

WTF :lol: :lol: Ridiculous comparison there! Torres and Suarez were already established prior premier league!

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:52 pm

PartyWithOle wrote:Also have you considered the fact maybe they're good players just playing for a poor nation?
Henrikh Mkhitaryan is an absolute talent and he plays for Armenia, lol


You remind me of Alan.. "Alan you are so moneysupermarket, you don't even know it" :lol: :lol:

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:52 pm

Ole is planning for the future...

That should tell you everything.

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:01 pm

Most clubs by players with no premier experience and do fine. Most players that are 'available' who have the experience are usually ancient and way passed it, or better off in the championship.

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:08 pm

No not at all, they are young and hungry,,, I HAD heard of Peter odemwingie before we signed up, say no more ...

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:00 pm

PartyWithOle wrote:Also have you considered the fact maybe they're good players just playing for a poor nation?
Henrikh Mkhitaryan is an absolute talent and he plays for Armenia, lol


But this Berget is 23 and has had only three caps ffs. He can't even get into a shit side that Wales smashed a few years ago.

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:06 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:Also have you considered the fact maybe they're good players just playing for a poor nation?
Henrikh Mkhitaryan is an absolute talent and he plays for Armenia, lol


But this Berget is 23 and has had only three caps ffs. He can't even get into a shit side that Wales smashed a few years ago.


Many great players have never played for their country - number of caps shouldn't be the end all be all to a players talent.

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:12 pm

kimble wrote:Another little known signing from Norway another 23yr old with no premiership experience...I do fear we are preparing for the championship?



yes, spot on we are throwing away premier league and all that money for the championship....dont be so bloody daft and negative. Not all players start in the premier league and come with experience, pleyers all start in lower leagues most of the time, dont be so naive.

as for experience, please see big teams going down like QPR Newcastle West ham etc.

experience isnt all that, personally id prefer my players to be young and hungry!!

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:17 pm

Svenman87 wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:Also have you considered the fact maybe they're good players just playing for a poor nation?
Henrikh Mkhitaryan is an absolute talent and he plays for Armenia, lol


But this Berget is 23 and has had only three caps ffs. He can't even get into a shit side that Wales smashed a few years ago.


Many great players have never played for their country - number of caps shouldn't be the end all be all to a players talent.


Name a great player that hasn't player for their Country that are not ranked in the top 40 (Norway 54) in the world. I bet you couldn't give me one name.

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:41 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
Svenman87 wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:Also have you considered the fact maybe they're good players just playing for a poor nation?
Henrikh Mkhitaryan is an absolute talent and he plays for Armenia, lol


But this Berget is 23 and has had only three caps ffs. He can't even get into a shit side that Wales smashed a few years ago.


Many great players have never played for their country - number of caps shouldn't be the end all be all to a players talent.


Name a great player that hasn't player for their Country that are not ranked in the top 40 (Norway 54) in the world. I bet you couldn't give me one name.


I guess with those restrictions I can't name one off the top of my head looking outside the top 40. regardless he does have 3 caps and he is only 23. Just don't think that is a great way to determine whether or not he should have been picked up.

I guess I'll just be quiet for a bit on the boards about this until things pan out one way or the other. I think it's an intelligent pickup by OGS. Get another player in that knows the system, can help implement it quicker to the squad, can add pressure to starters for their position to push them to succeed - as well as obviously having a drive to succeed personally. Overall it's a great motivational tactic for the team.

It's a bit interesting to see people fine with two Norwegians, but as soon as he tosses in a third - 5 threads pop up. He'll sign more from outside of Norway, but since it's the tippeligaen's offseason getting the players he'd want anyways would be quick and easy.

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:43 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
Svenman87 wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:Also have you considered the fact maybe they're good players just playing for a poor nation?
Henrikh Mkhitaryan is an absolute talent and he plays for Armenia, lol


But this Berget is 23 and has had only three caps ffs. He can't even get into a shit side that Wales smashed a few years ago.


Many great players have never played for their country - number of caps shouldn't be the end all be all to a players talent.


Name a great player that hasn't player for their Country that are not ranked in the top 40 (Norway 54) in the world. I bet you couldn't give me one name.


That is a pointless discussion. Berget not figuring for Norway much is all politics. The NFF (Norwegian FA) have been under the previous manager extremely hard-line about keeping U21 players at U21 level, and not even bring them up if they had no U21 match to go to. Mats Møller Dæhli didn't even get his debut for Norway until Per Mathias Høgmo took over and shook things up.

In addition, the previous manager exclusively played a 4-5-1 hoofball tactic that Jo Inge Berget couldn't possibly fit into even if he was the last forward with a Norwegian citizenship still alive.

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:16 pm

Svenman and Handkerchief thank you for clearing that up for me. You know far, far more than I do about Norwegian football so i'll take anything you tell me as gospel. I did read about Norway keeping their U21s in the U21s team over last summer during the European championships where England struggled and Norway did well. How did Berget do in that competition?

Three players from the same country along with a manager is quite a big thing, especially in January. I can see why a lot of fans are concerned. Anyway, lads, can already tell both of you are going to be an asset to the forum!

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:20 pm

Berget and Eikrem both scored in the U21 vs England

Re: Are you underwhelmed by lack of Premiership experience

Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:52 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Svenman and Handkerchief thank you for clearing that up for me. You know far, far more than I do about Norwegian football so i'll take anything you tell me as gospel. I did read about Norway keeping their U21s in the U21s team over last summer during the European championships where England struggled and Norway did well. How did Berget do in that competition?

Three players from the same country along with a manager is quite a big thing, especially in January. I can see why a lot of fans are concerned. Anyway, lads, can already tell both of you are going to be an asset to the forum!


Berget featured in all 4 games of the competition, and was just behind Ørjan Nyland for man of the match against Spain in the semi. His goal against England was pretty special. (Eikrem scored the final goal in the same match)

I think Berget will be a great squad player, I don't expect him to be someone you'll remember for turning your season around, but I think he can be a source of great attacking creativity and power even if he will not often be the goal scorer. He's more of a type that plays the other striker good.