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Ok Annis Malky or OGS if you had a straight choice?

At this moment Malky, But I honestly can't judge Ole till after a few more home games, it's to early to say.

So you'll say we shouldn't have sacked Malky as we'll never now if he'd take us down, then praise OGS if we stay up, slate him if we go down... Ever thought of politics old boy we need a sitting on the fence smiley

Where did I say all that ?

If we stay up well done to Ole and he deserves all the praise
If we go down then Ole must shoulder the blame

Ok Annis Malky or OGS if you had a straight choice?

At this moment Malky, But I honestly can't judge Ole till after a few more home games, it's to early to say.

So you'll say we shouldn't have sacked Malky as we'll never now if he'd take us down, then praise OGS if we stay up, slate him if we go down... Ever thought of politics old boy we need a sitting on the fence smiley

Where did I say all that ?

If we stay up well done to Ole and he deserves all the praise
If we go down then Ole must shoulder the blame

No blame for Malky if we go down, despite the fact we scored so few goals and were absolutely battered by Southampton. Along with some seriously dodgy signings...

Ok Annis Malky or OGS if you had a straight choice?

At this moment Malky, But I honestly can't judge Ole till after a few more home games, it's to early to say.

So you'll say we shouldn't have sacked Malky as we'll never now if he'd take us down, then praise OGS if we stay up, slate him if we go down... Ever thought of politics old boy we need a sitting on the fence smiley

Where did I say all that ?

If we stay up well done to Ole and he deserves all the praise
If we go down then Ole must shoulder the blame

No blame for Malky if we go down, despite the fact we scored so few goals and were absolutely battered by Southampton. Along with some seriously dodgy signings...

I will repeat again, we were above the bottom 3 at all times under Malky.

Ole has come in, with virtually half the season gone, 2 of the previous games not Malky's or Oles, Ole had 18 games and money to keep this side in the Premier League which I believe he can, so if he does then he gets my full praise, not Malky but Ole gets the praise

And if we go down, Ole is to blame and not Malky because Ole has had half a season and started with a team NOT in the bottom three and plenty of points available for them to stay.

How can u blame Malky if we go down, there were 54 PTS available to Ole

So if we stay up, who will you give the credit to ?

And if we go down who will you blame ?

If we stay up Ole gets most praise. Malky gets some.

if we go down Malky gets most blame. Ole gets some.

so annis whats gone on before with signings ect is nothing to do with malky? we are in this positon because of malkies poor perchases and negative tactics! only a blind man can see we would be struggling to stay up the way we were playing, yes we were out of bottom three with malky, but for how much longer? we were one defeat away from it at time of his demise, so chances are after today we could have been in bottom three in any case. as far as your concerned malky has done nothing wrong. and season starts now not back in august!

Well done all the lads today far better. Although loosing we looked a better side than the one that won 3 - 2.If only M.M. played the same way against Norwich.A.Villa. Souhampton. C.Palace and Stoke. If only. Few changes and I think Tan will be well pleased with his new manager. Just a shame the damage is done with lack of goals and some very bad signings. 2nd half last week and today really looks as though our new manager knows what he wants.lf he keeps us up great however if he fails to rectify the damage done he's the right choice to take us back up.

so annis whats gone on before with signings ect is nothing to do with malky? we are in this positon because of malkies poor perchases and negative tactics! only a blind man can see we would be struggling to stay up the way we were playing, yes we were out of bottom three with malky, but for how much longer? we were one defeat away from it at time of his demise, so chances are after today we could have been in bottom three in any case. as far as your concerned malky has done nothing wrong. and season starts now not back in august!

Ok Allan, then if say we now we hardly sign anyone and Ole keeps us up, who will u praise?

In my opinion we would have beaten Sunderland and West Ham so iI believe we would not have been in the bottom three had Malky still been manager.

so annis whats gone on before with signings ect is nothing to do with malky? we are in this positon because of malkies poor perchases and negative tactics! only a blind man can see we would be struggling to stay up the way we were playing, yes we were out of bottom three with malky, but for how much longer? we were one defeat away from it at time of his demise, so chances are after today we could have been in bottom three in any case. as far as your concerned malky has done nothing wrong. and season starts now not back in august!

Ok Allan, then if say we now we hardly sign anyone and Ole keeps us up, who will u praise?

In my opinion we would have beaten Sunderland and West Ham so in my opinion we would not have been in the bottom three had Malky still been manager.

cant argue with something that didnt happen? namely malky wasnt in charge of those games, personally dont think we would have won both, my point is basically we are in the position we are in because of malkies poor purchases and negative tactics , and that you cannot abstain malky from any blame if we go down , which is what you basically made out, the season started in august, and i believe if we had ole in charge at beginning of season we would not be where we are today. malky had enough money to make sure we were comfortable in premier,
and i wasnt has confident of staying up under malky as you were,

so annis whats gone on before with signings ect is nothing to do with malky? we are in this positon because of malkies poor perchases and negative tactics! only a blind man can see we would be struggling to stay up the way we were playing, yes we were out of bottom three with malky, but for how much longer? we were one defeat away from it at time of his demise, so chances are after today we could have been in bottom three in any case. as far as your concerned malky has done nothing wrong. and season starts now not back in august!

Ok Allan, then if say we now we hardly sign anyone and Ole keeps us up, who will u praise?

In my opinion we would have beaten Sunderland and West Ham so in my opinion we would not have been in the bottom three had Malky still been manager.

cant argue with something that didnt happen? namely malky wasnt in charge of those games, personally dont think we would have won both, my point is basically we are in the position we are in because of malkies poor purchases and negative tactics , and that you cannot abstain malky from any blame if we go down , which is what you basically made out, the season started in august, and i believe if we had ole in charge at beginning of season we would not be where we are today. malky had enough money to make sure we were comfortable in premier,
and i wasnt has confident of staying up under malky as you were,

annis i get what you are refering to, if ole doesnt sign anyone and stays up yes he gets the praise, but as said before if he doesnt keep us up with players we got now whos fault is it that we have sub standard premier players? not ole is it?? re iterate we should be comfortable in premier with money spent so far, we are not is due to poor players brought and tactics played.

If we stay up Ole gets most praise. Malky gets some.

if we go down Malky gets most blame. Ole gets some.

If we stay up then we open an academy of magic and declare Solskjaer the founder because its going to take a miracle to keep us up. Our relegation was signed off when Malky wasted most of our money on a carthorse and friends. We have a Championship team that most managers would struggle to keep up.

If we stay up then Ole has performed a miracle and gets all the credit.

If we go down its expected for me and I blame Malky and Moody for their stupid transfers.

Some will disagree but buying an £8m striker for the future totally neglecting the here and now is unforgivable.

So Ole inherits a championship team bolstered by a couple of players who have proved good enough despite the incredible amount spent, with a negative playing style lacking any creativity or movement, with 4 wins from 20 games, yet if we go down it's all his fault. You couldn't make it up.

So Ole inherits a championship team bolstered by a couple of players who have proved good enough despite the incredible amount spent, with a negative playing style lacking any creativity or movement, with 4 wins from 20 games, yet if we go down it's all his fault. You couldn't make it up.

If we stay up, who will you praise? I will be praising one person only Ole and we will all be celebrating
But also if we go down Ole is entitled to take the blame, cant have it both ways.

So Ole inherits a championship team bolstered by a couple of players who have proved good enough despite the incredible amount spent, with a negative playing style lacking any creativity or movement, with 4 wins from 20 games, yet if we go down it's all his fault. You couldn't make it up.

If we stay up, who will you praise? I will be praising one person only Ole and we will all be celebrating
But also if we go down Ole is entitled to take the blame, cant have it both ways.

Tbh I know what you're saying but I just think that Ole is starting off with one hand tied behind his back which is the playing staff and negative style that they've had drummed into them. He will struggle to get quality players in due to the very real threat of relegation and he doesn't have much time to turn the playing system around. Hence why for me Malky will be most at blame if we go down, yet if we stay up Ole would have had to work wonders.

Having said that the deciding factor will be how we are playing and what results we are getting by the end of the season. If we have improved and pick up some good results but run out of games then you can't blame Ole too much. If we are still poor and picking up very few points then he will be partly accountable along with Malky.

Would have loved to see what Ole would have done with £35m last summer though......

I agree with Annis. It's the games against our rivals that count the most now. I'd like to see a strong team play against Bolton next week and carry that forward...

I know Im not the only one , But I have been waiting for us to get back into the top flight of football for over 50 years now.

When we get there IMO ,the best manager we have had since Jimmy Scoular was sacked at a very silly time,and whats worse is ,he was sacked by a guy who knows FK all about the game. IMO if we do go down ( which Im very afraid we will do ) there is only one guy to blame. TAN!

As it is now we have a top class championship side, but here in the prem, we have nothing more than a team that's full of spirit
but the most important thing in the prem is skill to go with that never say die spirit.

The teams that were below us are now starting to pick up points and there confidence is growing, while we are not even picking up the odd point here and there as we were under Malky. Yes ok its only ole 3 game but I don't see that spirit that was once there for all to see.

Am I panicking , you bet your fking butt I am, we are bottom and we all know how difficult it is to get out of this position.
BUT! I still Believe we can pull out of the bottom with the right players brought in, the problem is , can we fined them and will they want to come to a club thats Bottom of the prem ?

I agree with Annis. It's the games against our rivals that count the most now. I'd like to see a strong team play against Bolton next week and carry that forward...

Games against our rivals are ones Malky threw away points in by playing so negatively. This has put more pressure on Ole to deliver which is a disgrace. Ole is commanding a sinking ship. Sorry but its the truth. It'll take a miracle to keep us up now. Even against Fulham we nearly blew points but a Mutch wonder strike bailed us out big time.

I know Im not the only one , But I have been waiting for us to get back into the top flight of football for over 50 years now.

When we get there IMO ,the best manager we have had since Jimmy Scoular was sacked at a very silly time,and whats worse is ,he was sacked by a guy who knows FK all about the game. IMO if we do go down ( which Im very afraid we will do ) there is only one guy to blame. TAN!

As it is now we have a top class championship side, but here in the prem, we have nothing more than a team that's full of spirit
but the most important thing in the prem is skill to go with that never say die spirit.

The teams that were below us are now starting to pick up points and there confidence is growing, while we are not even picking up the odd point here and there as we were under Malky. Yes ok its only ole 3 game but I don't see that spirit that was once there for all to see.

Am I panicking , you bet your fking butt I am, we are bottom and we all know how difficult it is to get out of this position.
BUT! I still Believe we can pull out of the bottom with the right players brought in, the problem is , can we fined them and will they want to come to a club thats Bottom of the prem ?

You say we have a top championship side, can't argue with that (it's the reason we are bottom of the league) but doesn't this statement prove that the £35 million spent by the previous manager has been totally wasted on players who are not up to the challenge.?????

Ok Annis Malky or OGS if you had a straight choice?

At this moment Malky, But I honestly can't judge Ole till after a few more home games, it's to early to say.

So you'll say we shouldn't have sacked Malky as we'll never now if he'd take us down, then praise OGS if we stay up, slate him if we go down... Ever thought of politics old boy we need a sitting on the fence smiley

Where did I say all that ?

If we stay up well done to Ole and he deserves all the praise
If we go down then Ole must shoulder the blame

No blame for Malky if we go down, despite the fact we scored so few goals and were absolutely battered by Southampton. Along with some seriously dodgy signings...

I will repeat again, we were above the bottom 3 at all times under Malky.

Ole has come in, with virtually half the season gone, 2 of the previous games not Malky's or Oles, Ole had 18 games and money to keep this side in the Premier League which I believe he can, so if he does then he gets my full praise, not Malky but Ole gets the praise

And if we go down, Ole is to blame and not Malky because Ole has had half a season and started with a team NOT in the bottom three and plenty of points available for them to stay.

How can u blame Malky if we go down, there were 54 PTS available to Ole

So if we stay up, who will you give the credit to ?

And if we go down who will you blame ?

our points arent really the issue as its so tight in the bottom half of the league that even a draw will see us get out of the relegation zone, our problem is our goal difference and you cant blame Ole for that now if you dont want to blame Malky thats fine but you cant critcise Ole for a goal difference that will punish us for the rest of the season

I know Im not the only one , But I have been waiting for us to get back into the top flight of football for over 50 years now.

When we get there IMO ,the best manager we have had since Jimmy Scoular was sacked at a very silly time,and whats worse is ,he was sacked by a guy who knows FK all about the game. IMO if we do go down ( which Im very afraid we will do ) there is only one guy to blame. TAN!

As it is now we have a top class championship side, but here in the prem, we have nothing more than a team that's full of spirit
but the most important thing in the prem is skill to go with that never say die spirit.

The teams that were below us are now starting to pick up points and there confidence is growing, while we are not even picking up the odd point here and there as we were under Malky. Yes ok its only ole 3 game but I don't see that spirit that was once there for all to see.

Am I panicking , you bet your fking butt I am, we are bottom and we all know how difficult it is to get out of this position.
BUT! I still Believe we can pull out of the bottom with the right players brought in, the problem is , can we fined them and will they want to come to a club thats Bottom of the prem ?

You say we have a top championship side, can't argue with that (it's the reason we are bottom of the league) but doesn't this statement prove that the £35 million spent by the previous manager has been totally wasted on players who are not up to the challenge.?????

I would say that Andreas Cornelius,still has a question Mark over if he will make it, We needed a striker who could hit the ground running ok yes he has had a problem with fitness but I dont think we should have bought him.

then we have Brayford , yes a complete waist of money, Peter O W , he was good for WBA but dont fit in to our squad.

But look at what the other money got us , Steven Caulker ,Kevin Theophile-Catherine, hen you have the PitBull, I would say the last 3 are well worth the money, as long as they have other class player around them.

I am encouraged by the way we have started to change our game. It my be too late but I was proud last night in the Serena Hotel Kampala Bar watching us put in a decent display. But yes, beating the teams around is a top priority.

So Ole inherits a championship team bolstered by a couple of players who have proved good enough despite the incredible amount spent, with a negative playing style lacking any creativity or movement, with 4 wins from 20 games, yet if we go down it's all his fault. You couldn't make it up.

If we stay up, who will you praise? I will be praising one person only Ole and we will all be celebrating
But also if we go down Ole is entitled to take the blame, cant have it both ways.

I dont mean to disrespect your or any other fan with a heart that is more blue than mine but i believe that you guys are being too nostalgic and dont want to see that City was sinking under Malky.

Malky got us up and did a fantastic job in the Championship, all credit to him for that. But if we go down my opinion is that Malky is too blame for most of it.

City secured promotion and from that day Malky had 1 job. Make us ready for the PL. He had a big transfer budget for a newly promoted club. He knew the players he had and should have known what areas of the squad to improve.
He had pre season to let players blend into the squad and he got a half season to show that he had done the right things.

If we forget last year and judge Malky on what he has done since promotion until he got fired i dont feel that he has delivered what he should have.
We played a type of football that you need to be a City fan too like. If you have no relations too the club and saw us on the telly you`d turn it off or watch something else. Imo only Caulker and Medel is PL standard, the rest of his purchases was a terrible way too improve the squad for PL.

Ole comes in with a half season left. He dont know the players, he has a hectic january window and a few weeks too figure out what the squad needs. He has no pre season to blend players into the squad or work on his football philosophy.
The squad is new to him and he is new to the players. 10-15 matches is needed to turn the mentality around after 3 years of a different style under Malky.

I bet many of you guys on the forum have experienced taking over another mans work during your career. Often it aint the way you would have done it but you got to do the best you can from the foundation you inherit.
If there has been made mistakes before you came in you can blame the other guy and ask for more time to fix it.

Ole cant rewind the mistakes Malky did and he cant ask for more time between matches. He needs to figure out as the fixtures list gets shorter and work with the squad he has and sign players he knows and on recommendation from people in the club.

If we do go down i honestly believe it is because the foundation he inherited was too weak. But i do love Malky for what he did for the club and id never take a piss on a man that has done so much good for us. Sometimes we all end up in a job that we aren`t ready for yet but like Malky we try our best and leave with heads high and integrity intact.

Just my thought on the case. I dont always find the right words when i try to get to my point (Norwegian) but i hope i got my points out there. Use your imagination

So Ole inherits a championship team bolstered by a couple of players who have proved good enough despite the incredible amount spent, with a negative playing style lacking any creativity or movement, with 4 wins from 20 games, yet if we go down it's all his fault. You couldn't make it up.

If we stay up, who will you praise? I will be praising one person only Ole and we will all be celebrating
But also if we go down Ole is entitled to take the blame, cant have it both ways.

I dont mean to disrespect your or any other fan with a heart that is more blue than mine but i believe that you guys are being too nostalgic and dont want to see that City was sinking under Malky.

Malky got us up and did a fantastic job in the Championship, all credit to him for that. But if we go down my opinion is that Malky is too blame for most of it.

City secured promotion and from that day Malky had 1 job. Make us ready for the PL. He had a big transfer budget for a newly promoted club. He knew the players he had and should have known what areas of the squad to improve.
He had pre season to let players blend into the squad and he got a half season to show that he had done the right things.

If we forget last year and judge Malky on what he has done since promotion until he got fired i dont feel that he has delivered what he should have.
We played a type of football that you need to be a City fan too like. If you have no relations too the club and saw us on the telly you`d turn it off or watch something else. Imo only Caulker and Medel is PL standard, the rest of his purchases was a terrible way too improve the squad for PL.

Ole comes in with a half season left. He dont know the players, he has a hectic january window and a few weeks too figure out what the squad needs. He has no pre season to blend players into the squad or work on his football philosophy.
The squad is new to him and he is new to the players. 10-15 matches is needed to turn the mentality around after 3 years of a different style under Malky.

I bet many of you guys on the forum have experienced taking over another mans work during your career. Often it aint the way you would have done it but you got to do the best you can from the foundation you inherit.
If there has been made mistakes before you came in you can blame the other guy and ask for more time to fix it.

Ole cant rewind the mistakes Malky did and he cant ask for more time between matches. He needs to figure out as the fixtures list gets shorter and work with the squad he has and sign players he knows and on recommendation from people in the club.

If we do go down i honestly believe it is because the foundation he inherited was too weak. But i do love Malky for what he did for the club and id never take a piss on a man that has done so much good for us. Sometimes we all end up in a job that we aren`t ready for yet but like Malky we try our best and leave with heads high and integrity intact.

Just my thought on the case. I dont always find the right words when i try to get to my point (Norwegian) but i hope i got my points out there. Use your imagination

That,sir, is a very perceptive and well constructed post.
Just one point though my suspicion is that,at some stage Malky realised it wasn't happening and it all became about covering Malky and CCFC came second.I have posted way back that he was not above playing games and fanning the flames against the owner did the club no favours at all.Scorched earth?

Brilliant post by our Norwegian colleague (Cardiff N). Well balanced amongst some of the almost childish "malkeys to blame!" "Oh no he's not!" "Oh yes he is" etc etc Quite a novel idea - giving a view and supporting it with reasoned arguement.

One thing I would add is that I have supported Cardiff since I was a kid 50 years ago and some of the defensive performances this year have been sad and embarassing-terrible to watch. At least we are now trying to play a bit of football without being gung ho. I am grateful for all Malkey did and he appeared to act with integrity when he was being sacked - credit for that. But Had we carried on under Malkey imho we would have gone down. Under OGS we may still be relegated but I hope we give it one hell of an effort and we (all fans) stay with the team and manager rather than being negative and arguing who is / will or may be to blame.
Bluebirs!!!