MILLWALL FAN 70S

It may be an assumption but it's so obvious.

You can if you want, it doesn't bother me, although this forum would be better without people like you.

If I wanted to be funny I wouldn't be on this forum Jon. Have a word with yourself FFS.

Anyway, I'm leaving now if you feel that way. At least you had the guts to say it unlike some other users on the forum.

Enjoy the game.



PS. No point quoting me as I won't respond. I'll be on the red forum.

Bye

Bunch of grown men fighting over football, sad as f**k

That's the way it was Jon , if you went away in a transit van or coach and made your own way into their town you either fought or got the shit beat into you. No hiding behind the ob like most of the youngsters do now, you either stood or run & if you run you couldn't show your face again.

your right casual and they were some of the best days of my life,the kids today wouldn't last 2 minutes back then,they've grown up covered in cotton wool.jon boy hasn't got a f_cking clue he's only known good times,back then we had f_ck all but we had our mates and our football,like a big family.

Bunch of grown men fighting over football, sad as f**k

That's the way it was Jon , if you went away in a transit van or coach and made your own way into their town you either fought or got the shit beat into you. No hiding behind the ob like most of the youngsters do now, you either stood or run & if you run you couldn't show your face again.

your right casual and they were some of the best days of my life,the kids today wouldn't last 2 minutes back then,they've grown up covered in cotton wool.jon boy hasn't got a f_cking clue he's only known good times,back then we had f_ck all but we had our mates and our football,like a big family.

Grown men who used to look for fights because there are football fans out there who support a different team to you, that's what you call the "good old days". That's the saddest thing I've ever heard.

Bunch of grown men fighting over football, sad as f**k

That's the way it was Jon , if you went away in a transit van or coach and made your own way into their town you either fought or got the shit beat into you. No hiding behind the ob like most of the youngsters do now, you either stood or run & if you run you couldn't show your face again.

your right casual and they were some of the best days of my life,the kids today wouldn't last 2 minutes back then,they've grown up covered in cotton wool.jon boy hasn't got a f_cking clue he's only known good times,back then we had f_ck all but we had our mates and our football,like a big family.

Grown men who used to look for fights because there are football fans out there who support a different team to you, that's what you call the "good old days". That's the saddest thing I've ever heard.

people are different jon people dont laugh at you cause your a little soft tw*t with a guitar stuck up his ass, some people like to fight get over it

Bunch of grown men fighting over football, sad as f**k

That's the way it was Jon , if you went away in a transit van or coach and made your own way into their town you either fought or got the shit beat into you. No hiding behind the ob like most of the youngsters do now, you either stood or run & if you run you couldn't show your face again.

your right casual and they were some of the best days of my life,the kids today wouldn't last 2 minutes back then,they've grown up covered in cotton wool.jon boy hasn't got a f_cking clue he's only known good times,back then we had f_ck all but we had our mates and our football,like a big family.

Grown men who used to look for fights because there are football fans out there who support a different team to you, that's what you call the "good old days". That's the saddest thing I've ever heard.

people are different jon people dont laugh at you cause your a little soft tw*t with a guitar stuck up his ass, some people like to fight get over it

They obviously had messed up childhoods, I bet they were bullied in school

Im with Jon on this one.

Glorifying and reminiscing over fighting and stabbing others for no reason other than liking another team is beyond stupidity. But thats just my view.

I also then find it a little rich when you complain about being treated with caution due to your behaviour ala West Ham away - yet you all talk so much about how you love it and showed it again up at the Etihad today.

Bunch of grown men fighting over football, sad as f**k

That's the way it was Jon , if you went away in a transit van or coach and made your own way into their town you either fought or got the shit beat into you. No hiding behind the ob like most of the youngsters do now, you either stood or run & if you run you couldn't show your face again.

your right casual and they were some of the best days of my life,the kids today wouldn't last 2 minutes back then,they've grown up covered in cotton wool.jon boy hasn't got a f_cking clue he's only known good times,back then we had f_ck all but we had our mates and our football,like a big family.

Grown men who used to look for fights because there are football fans out there who support a different team to you, that's what you call the "good old days". That's the saddest thing I've ever heard.

Spot on

January 1975 & the 3 City coaches pull up in a side street close to New Cross Station, we got off the bus & started the walk to Cold Blow Lane when all of a sudden about a dozen Millwall came out of the pub across the road, one of them smashes a bottle in his hand against the wall & they run straight into us, total mayhem as this mob was frothing at the mouth, City panicked & tried to leg it , i was 15 & scared shitless there was no hand gestures or bouncing with this lot it was like a pack of hounds who had caught a fox, the only thing on their mind was to do someone damage, a scream by a City fan went out & it turned into survival of the fittest, within minutes two City fans had been stabbed & one recieved neck wounds from a broken bottle. This was a era where there was no police protection coming off the coaches & you were left to your own devices & there was no hiding place, Millwall would come looking for you & would never back off on their manor, that mob of the 70 & 80's were probably man for man the best firm ever, they did'nt have the numbers of someone like Man U but even they came unstuck that year at the Den.

i was there that day,and for the return game where there were double decker buses laid on for them to the station.......they refused to be put on them and walked, its a f*cking long walk ,they were massively outnumbered and fought every inch of the way back..................two bob bastards somone says?.............such two bob bastards we only took about 200 there for years and years..............

Bunch of grown men fighting over football, sad as f**k

if you traveled......you were likely to have it...........so...if you traveled,you stuck together,which in turn made the home team mob up more.............it was exciting, its actually what hooked me on Cardiff if im honest

Bunch of grown men fighting over football, sad as f**k

That's the way it was Jon , if you went away in a transit van or coach and made your own way into their town you either fought or got the shit beat into you. No hiding behind the ob like most of the youngsters do now, you either stood or run & if you run you couldn't show your face again.

your right casual and they were some of the best days of my life,the kids today wouldn't last 2 minutes back then,they've grown up covered in cotton wool.jon boy hasn't got a f_cking clue he's only known good times,back then we had f_ck all but we had our mates and our football,like a big family.

Grown men who used to look for fights because there are football fans out there who support a different team to you, that's what you call the "good old days". That's the saddest thing I've ever heard.

we were not GROWN MEN . i started to travel at 12 years of age, the age of what youd call hooligans grew as we grew.........you were not there so try not to knock it....the togetherness and bond as Cardiff fans is something i wouldnt change for the world

Your wasting your time. The new fan is generally the geeky spotty youth who wouldn't have gone within a mile of the stadium a few years back. They come complete with a holier than thou attitude and a smug feeling of superiority as they believe themselves to be much more intelligent than the hooligan stereotype the perceive to be the norm from what their parents have read about in the broadsheets and passed onto them.

January 1975 & the 3 City coaches pull up in a side street close to New Cross Station, we got off the bus & started the walk to Cold Blow Lane when all of a sudden about a dozen Millwall came out of the pub across the road, one of them smashes a bottle in his hand against the wall & they run straight into us, total mayhem as this mob was frothing at the mouth, City panicked & tried to leg it , i was 15 & scared shitless there was no hand gestures or bouncing with this lot it was like a pack of hounds who had caught a fox, the only thing on their mind was to do someone damage, a scream by a City fan went out & it turned into survival of the fittest, within minutes two City fans had been stabbed & one recieved neck wounds from a broken bottle. This was a era where there was no police protection coming off the coaches & you were left to your own devices & there was no hiding place, Millwall would come looking for you & would never back off on their manor, that mob of the 70 & 80's were probably man for man the best firm ever, they did'nt have the numbers of someone like Man U but even they came unstuck that year at the Den.

i was there that day,and for the return game where there were double decker buses laid on for them to the station.......they refused to be put on them and walked, its a f*cking long walk ,they were massively outnumbered and fought every inch of the way back..................two bob bastards somone says?.............such two bob bastards we only took about 200 there for years and years..............

A few got onto the old( number 16 bus) which used to GO up tudor road, as it got to 'The Craddock' CITY CAME OUT AND OVER RUN THE BUS. PICS WERE IN THE ECHO, WESTREN MAIL, SUN . DAILY MIRROR OF THE BUS I SEEM TO REMEMBER CCFC BACK TO BLUE.

Im with Jon on this one.

Glorifying and reminiscing over fighting and stabbing others for no reason other than liking another team is beyond stupidity. But thats just my view.

I also then find it a little rich when you complain about being treated with caution due to your behaviour ala West Ham away - yet you all talk so much about how you love it and showed it again up at the Etihad today.

You wasn't there roathy, so you have no position to comment. Sometimes roathy, you have no option but to get involved otherwise it can get very ugly. I have a lot of respect for people who have stood up for others and not be bullied by opposition fans.

January 1975 & the 3 City coaches pull up in a side street close to New Cross Station, we got off the bus & started the walk to Cold Blow Lane when all of a sudden about a dozen Millwall came out of the pub across the road, one of them smashes a bottle in his hand against the wall & they run straight into us, total mayhem as this mob was frothing at the mouth, City panicked & tried to leg it , i was 15 & scared shitless there was no hand gestures or bouncing with this lot it was like a pack of hounds who had caught a fox, the only thing on their mind was to do someone damage, a scream by a City fan went out & it turned into survival of the fittest, within minutes two City fans had been stabbed & one recieved neck wounds from a broken bottle. This was a era where there was no police protection coming off the coaches & you were left to your own devices & there was no hiding place, Millwall would come looking for you & would never back off on their manor, that mob of the 70 & 80's were probably man for man the best firm ever, they did'nt have the numbers of someone like Man U but even they came unstuck that year at the Den.

i was there that day,and for the return game where there were double decker buses laid on for them to the station.......they refused to be put on them and walked, its a f*cking long walk ,they were massively outnumbered and fought every inch of the way back..................two bob bastards somone says?.............such two bob bastards we only took about 200 there for years and years..............

A few got onto the old( number 16 bus) which used to GO up tudor road, as it got to 'The Craddock' CITY CAME OUT AND OVER RUN THE BUS. PICS WERE IN THE ECHO, WESTREN MAIL, SUN . DAILY MIRROR OF THE BUS I SEEM TO REMEMBER CCFC BACK TO BLUE.[/quote



The craddock was a great pub and the Barry boys used to drink in there back in the seventies. I remember coming out of there for a game to see robin Friday walking towards the ground with a pair of boots hung over his shoulder by the laces. He must have got to the ground about 30 minutes before kick off.

They were the best days , none of these newbies and scumsea wannabees.

Your wasting your time. The new fan is generally the geeky spotty youth who wouldn't have gone within a mile of the stadium a few years back. They come complete with a holier than thou attitude and a smug feeling of superiority as they believe themselves to be much more intelligent than the hooligan stereotype the perceive to be the norm from what their parents have read about in the broadsheets and passed onto them.

Very true. I don't praise violence at football, but it happened and it forged friendships going away which you knew if it went off, you'd have your back covered. I know from personal experience that it saved a lot of potential hidings from happening, some of the newer generation have no idea what it's like when you're outnumbered going away from home without a police escort and bubble restriction.

January 1975 & the 3 City coaches pull up in a side street close to New Cross Station, we got off the bus & started the walk to Cold Blow Lane when all of a sudden about a dozen Millwall came out of the pub across the road, one of them smashes a bottle in his hand against the wall & they run straight into us, total mayhem as this mob was frothing at the mouth, City panicked & tried to leg it , i was 15 & scared shitless there was no hand gestures or bouncing with this lot it was like a pack of hounds who had caught a fox, the only thing on their mind was to do someone damage, a scream by a City fan went out & it turned into survival of the fittest, within minutes two City fans had been stabbed & one recieved neck wounds from a broken bottle. This was a era where there was no police protection coming off the coaches & you were left to your own devices & there was no hiding place, Millwall would come looking for you & would never back off on their manor, that mob of the 70 & 80's were probably man for man the best firm ever, they did'nt have the numbers of someone like Man U but even they came unstuck that year at the Den.

i was there that day,and for the return game where there were double decker buses laid on for them to the station.......they refused to be put on them and walked, its a f*cking long walk ,they were massively outnumbered and fought every inch of the way back..................two bob bastards somone says?.............such two bob bastards we only took about 200 there for years and years..............

A few got onto the old( number 16 bus) which used to GO up tudor road, as it got to 'The Craddock' CITY CAME OUT AND OVER RUN THE BUS. PICS WERE IN THE ECHO, WESTREN MAIL, SUN . DAILY MIRROR OF THE BUS I SEEM TO REMEMBER CCFC BACK TO BLUE.[/quote



The craddock was a great pub and the Barry boys used to drink in there back in the seventies. I remember coming out of there for a game to see robin Friday walking towards the ground with a pair of boots hung over his shoulder by the laces. He must have got to the ground about 30 minutes before kick off.

The lads were playing football on the pitch opposite Ninian Park and Robin Friday came over with a velvet jacket on complete with flares and platforms on with a four pack and a can in his hand and watched them play. I think he had just finished training

January 1975 & the 3 City coaches pull up in a side street close to New Cross Station, we got off the bus & started the walk to Cold Blow Lane when all of a sudden about a dozen Millwall came out of the pub across the road, one of them smashes a bottle in his hand against the wall & they run straight into us, total mayhem as this mob was frothing at the mouth, City panicked & tried to leg it , i was 15 & scared shitless there was no hand gestures or bouncing with this lot it was like a pack of hounds who had caught a fox, the only thing on their mind was to do someone damage, a scream by a City fan went out & it turned into survival of the fittest, within minutes two City fans had been stabbed & one recieved neck wounds from a broken bottle. This was a era where there was no police protection coming off the coaches & you were left to your own devices & there was no hiding place, Millwall would come looking for you & would never back off on their manor, that mob of the 70 & 80's were probably man for man the best firm ever, they did'nt have the numbers of someone like Man U but even they came unstuck that year at the Den.

i was there that day,and for the return game where there were double decker buses laid on for them to the station.......they refused to be put on them and walked, its a f*cking long walk ,they were massively outnumbered and fought every inch of the way back..................two bob bastards somone says?.............such two bob bastards we only took about 200 there for years and years..............

A few got onto the old( number 16 bus) which used to GO up tudor road, as it got to 'The Craddock' CITY CAME OUT AND OVER RUN THE BUS. PICS WERE IN THE ECHO, WESTREN MAIL, SUN . DAILY MIRROR OF THE BUS I SEEM TO REMEMBER CCFC BACK TO BLUE.[/quote



The craddock was a great pub and the Barry boys used to drink in there back in the seventies. I remember coming out of there for a game to see robin Friday walking towards the ground with a pair of boots hung over his shoulder by the laces. He must have got to the ground about 30 minutes before kick off.

The lads were playing football on the pitch opposite Ninian Park and Robin Friday came over with a velvet jacket on complete with flares and platforms on with a four pack and a can in his hand and watched them play. I think he had just finished training

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Me and my mates went to The Den in the 70s, sure it was the game when a fan came on the pitch & punched Dwyer. Anyway we were only kids and on the opposite side of the ground where the City fans were, it was the equivalent of our Bob bank but smaller. Both City & Millwall were in there and it seemed like they were just left to get on with it, I always remember some lad with a balloon on a string behind us and another balloon coming towards us and realised they were coming to get us. Even then they had ways of communicating, it was a case of f**k this shit just stand by the coppers but even they told us to more or less f**k off if your daft enough to come in here your going to get hurt. It was nice to get back home that night in one piece, Swindon was always a dodgy place I thought.

Bunch of grown men fighting over football, sad as f**k

if you traveled......you were likely to have it...........so...if you traveled,you stuck together,which in turn made the home team mob up more.............it was exciting, its actually what hooked me on Cardiff if im honest

If you were being targeted then fair enough, you defend yourselves. But fans who went looking for it are pathetic.

The togetherness of our fanbase is what got me hooked on Cardiff City back in the Ninian Park days. I loved the banter with opposition fans on match days when I was a kid and I still do now, it makes the whole experience better. But to fight over it is just pathetic. We're all football fans at the end of the day and we all go because we love the sport and supporting our team.

Im with Jon on this one.

Glorifying and reminiscing over fighting and stabbing others for no reason other than liking another team is beyond stupidity. But thats just my view.

I also then find it a little rich when you complain about being treated with caution due to your behaviour ala West Ham away - yet you all talk so much about how you love it and showed it again up at the Etihad today.

You wasn't there roathy, so you have no position to comment. Sometimes roathy, you have no option but to get involved otherwise it can get very ugly. I have a lot of respect for people who have stood up for others and not be bullied by opposition fans.

Ive been there many times. Ive followed swansea home and away for years.

Many of these "firms" go looking for it an im not having it for a second that its the other way around. Go and watch the match and dont go goading the away fans and 99 times out of 100 you will be fine.

Here's the tv documentary of Millwall in the 70's although they were out of control & the law seemed to turn a blind eye their then manager Gordon Jago tried his best to stop it, his vision at 24:20 was spot on yet it took Hillsbrough & the Bradford fire years later to bring about the change that should have been done years earlier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKoYjOGOzXQ

Im with Jon on this one.

Glorifying and reminiscing over fighting and stabbing others for no reason other than liking another team is beyond stupidity. But thats just my view.

I also then find it a little rich when you complain about being treated with caution due to your behaviour ala West Ham away - yet you all talk so much about how you love it and showed it again up at the Etihad today.

You wasn't there roathy, so you have no position to comment. Sometimes roathy, you have no option but to get involved otherwise it can get very ugly. I have a lot of respect for people who have stood up for others and not be bullied by opposition fans.

Ive been there many times. Ive followed swansea home and away for years.

Many of these "firms" go looking for it an im not having it for a second that its the other way around. Go and watch the match and dont go goading the away fans and 99 times out of 100 you will be fine.

So you've never been attacked just because your Swansea at an away game? I've had it quite a few times when I've gone away throughout the years, so your logic has backfired right there. I've been to your place in the past and people have been foaming at the mouth to get at us, did I incite it? No, it's just because I'm Cardiff.

Goading away fans? I'd call it banter and it happens most week and it makes the experience of going away that much more enjoyable. It's not my fault that stewards get heavy handed at times and can't see the line between trouble and a bit of banter

And before you ask, yes I was there so I know what went on.

Im with Jon on this one.

Glorifying and reminiscing over fighting and stabbing others for no reason other than liking another team is beyond stupidity. But thats just my view.

I also then find it a little rich when you complain about being treated with caution due to your behaviour ala West Ham away - yet you all talk so much about how you love it and showed it again up at the Etihad today.

You wasn't there roathy, so you have no position to comment. Sometimes roathy, you have no option but to get involved otherwise it can get very ugly. I have a lot of respect for people who have stood up for others and not be bullied by opposition fans.

Ive been there many times. Ive followed swansea home and away for years.

Many of these "firms" go looking for it an im not having it for a second that its the other way around. Go and watch the match and dont go goading the away fans and 99 times out of 100 you will be fine.

So you've never been attacked just because your Swansea at an away game? I've had it quite a few times when I've gone away throughout the years, so your logic has backfired right there. I've been to your place in the past and people have been foaming at the mouth to get at us, did I incite it? No, it's just because I'm Cardiff.

Goading away fans? I'd call it banter and it happens most week and it makes the experience of going away that much more enjoyable. It's not my fault that stewards get heavy handed at times and can't see the line between trouble and a bit of banter

And before you ask, yes I was there so I know what went on.

You are talking about local derbies, its different.

What you call banter, is the sort of things you will get a slap for. It is very rare to get attacked for supporting another team. If you wear the hooligan uniform and go round in large groups through their town then that can be seen as goading in itself and you know it.

Ive been to well over 200 away games and not once had any bother what so ever.

Im with Jon on this one.

Glorifying and reminiscing over fighting and stabbing others for no reason other than liking another team is beyond stupidity. But thats just my view.

I also then find it a little rich when you complain about being treated with caution due to your behaviour ala West Ham away - yet you all talk so much about how you love it and showed it again up at the Etihad today.

You wasn't there roathy, so you have no position to comment. Sometimes roathy, you have no option but to get involved otherwise it can get very ugly. I have a lot of respect for people who have stood up for others and not be bullied by opposition fans.

Ive been there many times. Ive followed swansea home and away for years.

Many of these "firms" go looking for it an im not having it for a second that its the other way around. Go and watch the match and dont go goading the away fans and 99 times out of 100 you will be fine.

So you've never been attacked just because your Swansea at an away game? I've had it quite a few times when I've gone away throughout the years, so your logic has backfired right there. I've been to your place in the past and people have been foaming at the mouth to get at us, did I incite it? No, it's just because I'm Cardiff.

Goading away fans? I'd call it banter and it happens most week and it makes the experience of going away that much more enjoyable. It's not my fault that stewards get heavy handed at times and can't see the line between trouble and a bit of banter

And before you ask, yes I was there so I know what went on.

You are talking about local derbies, its different.



What you call banter, is the sort of things you will get a slap for. It is very rare to get attacked for supporting another team. If you wear the hooligan uniform and go round in large groups through their town then that can be seen as goading in itself and you know it.

Ive been to well over 200 away games and not once had any bother what so ever.

The difference is, Cardiff has a reputation and Swansea does not, so you wouldn't understand.
I wouldn't call myself a person who wears hooligan uniform, I went casual and still do. It just stops alot of bother off old bill when I go away, doesn't mean Im a hooligan and go looking for it.

I've had bother at Wolves, Stoke, west brom and Chelsea are they local derbies? No.

I wouldn't say going for a pint in a pub in a town centre of your opponents as goading would you? Nothing wrong with that at all. Are you suggesting that I drink in another town in future?

You're now backtracking as you said you wasn't having it for a second that it happens the other way round in terms of fans being attacked without provocation, you're now saying that my fault because I'm goading them?

Im with Jon on this one.

Glorifying and reminiscing over fighting and stabbing others for no reason other than liking another team is beyond stupidity. But thats just my view.

I also then find it a little rich when you complain about being treated with caution due to your behaviour ala West Ham away - yet you all talk so much about how you love it and showed it again up at the Etihad today.

You wasn't there roathy, so you have no position to comment. Sometimes roathy, you have no option but to get involved otherwise it can get very ugly. I have a lot of respect for people who have stood up for others and not be bullied by opposition fans.

Ive been there many times. Ive followed swansea home and away for years.

Many of these "firms" go looking for it an im not having it for a second that its the other way around. Go and watch the match and dont go goading the away fans and 99 times out of 100 you will be fine.

So you've never been attacked just because your Swansea at an away game? I've had it quite a few times when I've gone away throughout the years, so your logic has backfired right there. I've been to your place in the past and people have been foaming at the mouth to get at us, did I incite it? No, it's just because I'm Cardiff.

Goading away fans? I'd call it banter and it happens most week and it makes the experience of going away that much more enjoyable. It's not my fault that stewards get heavy handed at times and can't see the line between trouble and a bit of banter

And before you ask, yes I was there so I know what went on.

You are talking about local derbies, its different.



What you call banter, is the sort of things you will get a slap for. It is very rare to get attacked for supporting another team. If you wear the hooligan uniform and go round in large groups through their town then that can be seen as goading in itself and you know it.

Ive been to well over 200 away games and not once had any bother what so ever.

The difference is, Cardiff has a reputation and Swansea does not, so you wouldn't understand.
I wouldn't call myself a person who wears hooligan uniform, I went casual and still do. It just stops alot of bother off old bill when I go away, doesn't mean Im a hooligan and go looking for it.

I've had bother at Wolves, Stoke, west brom and Chelsea are they local derbies? No.

I wouldn't say going for a pint in a pub in a town centre of your opponents as goading would you? Nothing wrong with that at all. Are you suggesting that I drink in another town in future?

You're now backtracking as you said you wasn't having it for a second that it happens the other way round in terms of fans being attacked without provocation, you're now saying that my fault because I'm goading them?

You said the example of Cardiff and Swansea - i responded.

Yes I think drinking in their local pub is goading to the type of people you are trying to avoid. They arent normal thinking folk and to treat them as such is naive.

Im not backtracking at all. It is very rare to be attacked for supporting another side. As ive said ive done it well over 200 times and the worst I ever got was a few shoulder barges walking back to the car in Mansfield as I walked through the home crowd with my Swans top on.

How would anyone know you supported Cardiff if you just kept your mouth shut and went to the game? If you want to avoid trouble then you can, there are just far too many who wouldnt mind some.

Im with Jon on this one.

Glorifying and reminiscing over fighting and stabbing others for no reason other than liking another team is beyond stupidity. But thats just my view.

I also then find it a little rich when you complain about being treated with caution due to your behaviour ala West Ham away - yet you all talk so much about how you love it and showed it again up at the Etihad today.

You wasn't there roathy, so you have no position to comment. Sometimes roathy, you have no option but to get involved otherwise it can get very ugly. I have a lot of respect for people who have stood up for others and not be bullied by opposition fans.

Ive been there many times. Ive followed swansea home and away for years.

Many of these "firms" go looking for it an im not having it for a second that its the other way around. Go and watch the match and dont go goading the away fans and 99 times out of 100 you will be fine.

So you've never been attacked just because your Swansea at an away game? I've had it quite a few times when I've gone away throughout the years, so your logic has backfired right there. I've been to your place in the past and people have been foaming at the mouth to get at us, did I incite it? No, it's just because I'm Cardiff.

Goading away fans? I'd call it banter and it happens most week and it makes the experience of going away that much more enjoyable. It's not my fault that stewards get heavy handed at times and can't see the line between trouble and a bit of banter

And before you ask, yes I was there so I know what went on.

You are talking about local derbies, its different.



What you call banter, is the sort of things you will get a slap for. It is very rare to get attacked for supporting another team. If you wear the hooligan uniform and go round in large groups through their town then that can be seen as goading in itself and you know it.

Ive been to well over 200 away games and not once had any bother what so ever.

The difference is, Cardiff has a reputation and Swansea does not, so you wouldn't understand.
I wouldn't call myself a person who wears hooligan uniform, I went casual and still do. It just stops alot of bother off old bill when I go away, doesn't mean Im a hooligan and go looking for it.

I've had bother at Wolves, Stoke, west brom and Chelsea are they local derbies? No.

I wouldn't say going for a pint in a pub in a town centre of your opponents as goading would you? Nothing wrong with that at all. Are you suggesting that I drink in another town in future?

You're now backtracking as you said you wasn't having it for a second that it happens the other way round in terms of fans being attacked without provocation, you're now saying that my fault because I'm goading them?

You said the example of Cardiff and Swansea - i responded.

Yes I think drinking in their local pub is goading to the type of people you are trying to avoid. They arent normal thinking folk and to treat them as such is naive.

Im not backtracking at all. It is very rare to be attacked for supporting another side. As ive said ive done it well over 200 times and the worst I ever got was a few shoulder barges walking back to the car in Mansfield as I walked through the home crowd with my Swans top on.

How would anyone know you supported Cardiff if you just kept your mouth shut and went to the game? If you want to avoid trouble then you can, there are just far too many who wouldnt mind some.

Ok Roathy, if that's what you think. I know for a fact that it doesn't always happen in black and white.

I can even remember being at a game down in Bournmouth one year and west ham turning up! Smashing the place up and dishing out beatings to people. It happens sometimes and it's totally unpreventable. Like I said earlier, Swansea never had a reputation of that sort of thing so I don't think you'd understand where I'm coming from. It's all too easy to stay quiet and go to the game, but inevitably you cant avoid things that happen after the game sometimes. That's just the way it is.

Bunch of grown men fighting over football, sad as f**k

if you traveled......you were likely to have it...........so...if you traveled,you stuck together,which in turn made the home team mob up more.............it was exciting, its actually what hooked me on Cardiff if im honest

If you were being targeted then fair enough, you defend yourselves. But fans who went looking for it are pathetic.

The togetherness of our fanbase is what got me hooked on Cardiff City back in the Ninian Park days. I loved the banter with opposition fans on match days when I was a kid and I still do now, it makes the whole experience better. But to fight over it is just pathetic. We're all football fans at the end of the day and we all go because we love the sport and supporting our team.

what we had at NP, the us against the world togetherness........where do you think that came from.........was a case of if you traveled you to some degree were involved......scenario..you and a mate go to the Ethiad, no cctv, no stewards, an inept police force, your walk to the Ethiad includes a few slaps, a near miss and being chased, in the ground you come across a bunch who can really handle themselves that are going home on the train .........your train.......do you run the gauntlet back alone, or join this bunch?..

Bunch of grown men fighting over football, sad as f**k

I've seen you arranging to meet other posters for a fight true or not Jon. fighting over a forum ffs your just a boy.

I'd like to see you prove that.

Nanny McPhail or whatever his name is wanted to meet me because I called him a prick for a valid reason, and he got mad. He insisted I told him where I sat, so I did, and then he didn't respond. That's hardly "arranging to meet other posters for a fight".

I'm a 38 year old man, I didn't respond as I don't take anything said on here personally at all. You're a chopsy little c**t I'll give you that but like I said, it goes straight over my head.

Me and my mates went to The Den in the 70s, sure it was the game when a fan came on the pitch & punched Dwyer. Anyway we were only kids and on the opposite side of the ground where the City fans were, it was the equivalent of our Bob bank but smaller. Both City & Millwall were in there and it seemed like they were just left to get on with it, I always remember some lad with a balloon on a string behind us and another balloon coming towards us and realised they were coming to get us. Even then they had ways of communicating, it was a case of f**k this shit just stand by the coppers but even they told us to more or less f**k off if your daft enough to come in here your going to get hurt. It was nice to get back home that night in one piece, Swindon was always a dodgy place I thought.

I rememer my brother saying the same about Swindon after a few matches in the 70''s