Sorry but I just don't get it?

I think it's better Cardiff bluebirds fc,Manchester devils fc etc etc.
Every team should incorporate a nickname into the name,people shouldn't be afraid of change they should embrace it,it's a good idea Imo.

Agreed. The thing is, once you have a nickname in the name its harder to change to something else because its a brand. Nike dont change their tick to anything and wont change their name. Cardiff Bluebirds with a bluebird badge and a blue kit is a stronger brand than Cardiff City with a bluebird badge and blue kit. Its basic marketing and consistency is everything.

Its why ESPN/NBC have done so well in America.

TONIGHT LIVE HERE WE HAVE THE PATRIOTS VS THE STEELERS and they build it up into some big massive event and so on. People say 'money is ruining the game' yet this money helps bring in world class players. They cant have it all. The world doesn't work like that.

Of course Hull's situation is not as bad as ours, but to say they're making a fuss over nothing is ridiculous.

They already have "The Tigers" on their crest and just watching Sky Sports there was as many backing him as complaining.

What they are doing at Hull is no different to what they done in Rugby League.

Teams kept their traditional colours and crest plus the name of their town / city they just added their nickname to their name.

Nowhere near as bad or controversial as what has happened to us.

Exactly, a name change like this can be quite uplifting in some cases.

Exeter Grecians
Bradford Bantams
Millwall Lions
Scunthorpe Iron
Sheffield Blades



Of course, there is a downside!

Norwich Canaries (grasses)
Bournemouth Cherries
West Brom Baggies
Everton Toffee men
Northampton Cobblers

Of course Hull's situation is not as bad as ours, but to say they're making a fuss over nothing is ridiculous.

They are. Bunch of drama queen rugby league fans. They've always been that way.

What they are doing at Hull is no different to what they done in Rugby League.

Teams kept their traditional colours and crest plus the name of their town / city they just added their nickname to their name.

Nowhere near as bad or controversial as what has happened to us.

Exactly, a name change like this can be quite uplifting in some cases.

Exeter Grecians
Bradford Bantams
Millwall Lions
Scunthorpe Iron
Sheffield Blades



Of course, there is a downside!

Norwich Canaries (grasses)
Bournemouth Cherries
West Brom Baggies
Everton Toffee men
Northampton Cobblers
Swansea swans

Fulham Cottagers
Wimbledon Wombles
Plymouth Pilgrims
Torquay Gulls
Bristol Robins

On second thoughts

Fulham Cottagers
Wimbledon Wombles
Plymouth Pilgrims
Torquay Gulls
Bristol Robins

On second thoughts

Some teams will have to change
Fulham falcons
Wimbledon warriors
Plymouth panthers
Torquay trojans
Bristol bears

this could catch on

Fulham Cottagers
Wimbledon Wombles
Plymouth Pilgrims
Torquay Gulls
Bristol Robins

On second thoughts

Sounds like that US Soccer Guy parody on Twitter.. A very funny account.

Jacks is a nickname for the people of Swansea. The nickname for Swansea city is the swans. So if we all got rebranded to our nicknames it would be Swansea swans and under Tan, we would be called cardiff dragons.

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Arsenal aresholes
Tottenham twats
Leeds loonies
Newport nerds
man city Muppets

Fulham Cottagers
Wimbledon Wombles
Plymouth Pilgrims
Torquay Gulls
Bristol Robins

On second thoughts

Fulham cottagers! You'd just be too afraid too go to the toilets there wouldn't you!

Jacks is a nickname for the people of Swansea. The nickname for Swansea city is the swans. So if we all got rebranded to our nicknames it would be Swansea swans and under Tan, we would be called cardiff dragons.

Murph, theres nothing rigid about it, just too let you know like!

Because they are Hull City not Hull Tigers. We are Cardiff City not Cardiff Dragons. I am Steve Thomas not Steve Nuclearble or Nukes. A nickname is just that a nickname. An affectionate way of referring to someone.
We are football teams and do not have fancy Rugby names. Our name is our history not to be messed with by eccentric billionaires.
These pathetic owners are just custodians of our Clubs so they should respect that, they should respect its customs and history as they will not always be there, not like us the supporters. And not behave like they own the world and do what the fook they like.

Hull City forever
Cardiff City forever
Eccentric billionaires fook off

You say you don't really care about my opinion, yet respond with 7 paragraphs telling me to get a grip!

If you can't understand why this move would be bad for Hull, bad for their fans and bad for football in general, you're bonkers! If Hull's name changes, that gives the green light for every foreign owner to potentially change other clubs names! You would be happy with Cardiff Dragons v Swansea Jacks in the future would you?

I meant from that point onwards but for the sake of debate, i'll continue to respond.

I'd be happy seeing Cardiff Bluebirds vs Swansea Jacks yes. I'd be happy for them to build it up as the Bluebirds vs the Jacks. It'd be amazing.

What im not happy with is the complete removal of our brand identity which Tan has pretty much done. Hull haven't had that so to compare the situations is bordering on the absurd.

Im not the one whos bonkers, you are pal. You think Hull keeping their own nickname, emblem and colours is the same as us having ours taken piece by piece and yes our nickname is trying to be taken before some smarty pants comes into the thread to say we're still the bluebirds. For how long though? How long? We're already informally the dragons to many people and thats a fact.

Hull have got it easy. A bunch of drama queens trying to pretend to make a stand against Modern Football to get the media and other fans behind them. I hope the FA do reject it, he withdraws within 24 hours and they go through or end up struggling. I can assure you, that if thats the way it goes he'll asset strip them first - Long and Jelavic will be gone in the next window and others will follow them no problem. Hes in control so he will do it and then he'll be gone and cut his losses.

If Hull want to bite the hand that feeds over something so idiotic then let them. They've lost nothing other than City in their name and they're crying. A bunch of drama queens who should all audition for parts in Grease 3 or the next Mamma Mia if its ever made.

So in short, you're saying Hull fans "have it easy" and are "drama queens" who are "pretending" to make a stand against modern football for opposing their name change! You then go on to state you hope their owner gets his way with changing their name! I don't think I need to say any more for everyone to see the type of "football fan" you are!

You've always been Known as 'Cardiff City the Bluebirds' yeah? Hull have always been known as 'Hull City the Tigers' and we've always been Swansea City/Town and known as the Jacks.
Now if Vincent Tan came out tomorrow (past rebrands aside) and said he wanted to change your name to Cardiff Bluebirds, would you really have a problem with that? I know that if Hugh Jenkins stated that he wanted to change us too Swansea Jacks, i'd kinda be quite pleased to be honest, and proud! I'm sure that hull have always been proud to be known as the Tigers so I'm sorry I really don't get why they are kicking up such a stink?

Huw used to own a tool hire and builders merchants, you could call yourselves Swansea Jack Tools

So in short, you're saying Hull fans "have it easy" and are "drama queens" who are "pretending" to make a stand against modern football for opposing their name change! You then go on to state you hope their owner gets his way with changing their name! I don't think I need to say any more for everyone to see the type of "football fan" you are!

Yes. He's changing their name to incorporate a part of their history rather than a worthless suffix 'city'.

Its nothing compared to what's happening here and people comparing it are mad. As I've already said, Cardiff Bluebirds FC in blue with a bluebird badge like the old simple crest and I'd be happy.

Hull City have got it easy compared to us so yes, in my opinion, they're a bunch of drama queens. I think Hull City Fairies is more apt personally.

'64'. I never heard the phrase 'Jacks until the late 80's' - until then it was always 'The Swans'. Did it change before that.

You seemed to rebrand yourselves, but shouldn't it now be Jack bast@@@s as you have 'borrowed' our chant toward you ?

Lawnmower, to be honest, your quite correct. When I was growing up I never heard the term Jacks. It was always proud to be a swan etc, from memory, I believe we only started calling ourselves Jacks, when we began to play you on a regular basis 79 onwards, when you used it towards us as a derogatory term. Nevertheless, it caught on and we obviously turned it around in our favour. But the term 'jack' definitely came from you lot.

Cheers. Nice to know.

So- we rebranded you

Only joking

Because they are Hull City not Hull Tigers. We are Cardiff City not Cardiff Dragons. I am Steve Thomas not Steve Nuclearble or Nukes. A nickname is just that a nickname. An affectionate way of referring to someone.
We are football teams and do not have fancy Rugby names. Our name is our history not to be messed with by eccentric billionaires.
These pathetic owners are just custodians of our Clubs so they should respect that, they should respect its customs and history as they will not always be there, not like us the supporters. And not behave like they own the world and do what the fook they like.

Hull City forever
Cardiff City forever
Eccentric billionaires fook off

Why the Cardiff Dragons bit? You never have been known as the dragons so theres no comparison to make with Hull Tigers! If you feel that strongly Nukes why isn't your username Steve Thomas instead of Nuclearblue? Seriously, you talk about nicknames but would you really in the current climate prefer to be called Cardiff bluebirds and play in blue, or Cardiff City and play in Red? I know I didn't want to bring your rebrand into it, but you've forced my hand. This Hull name change is all a bit of a ballyhoo! As I said, I would love us too change too Swansea Jacks, it's much more of an identity than City, which of course, you are City as well, along with manchester, Bristol, Stoke, Birmingham etc! Big deal!

Fuss?......the club is named after the river,
The name of the city in which they play is Kingston upon Hull.
No such place as hull city

'64'. I never heard the phrase 'Jacks until the late 80's' - until then it was always 'The Swans'. Did it change before that.

You seemed to rebrand yourselves, but shouldn't it now be Jack bast@@@s as you have 'borrowed' our chant toward you ?

Lawnmower, to be honest, your quite correct. When I was growing up I never heard the term Jacks. It was always proud to be a swan etc, from memory, I believe we only started calling ourselves Jacks, when we began to play you on a regular basis 79 onwards, when you used it towards us as a derogatory term. Nevertheless, it caught on and we obviously turned it around in our favour. But the term 'jack' definitely came from you lot.

Cheers. Nice to know.

So- we rebranded you

Only joking

No worries, I suppose you did in a way!

Although we have always been the Jacks of course, just that we didn't recognise ourselves as such in a football sense.

You've always been Known as 'Cardiff City the Bluebirds' yeah? Hull have always been known as 'Hull City the Tigers' and we've always been Swansea City/Town and known as the Jacks.
Now if Vincent Tan came out tomorrow (past rebrands aside) and said he wanted to change your name to Cardiff Bluebirds, would you really have a problem with that? I know that if Hugh Jenkins stated that he wanted to change us too Swansea Jacks, i'd kinda be quite pleased to be honest, and proud! I'm sure that hull have always been proud to be known as the Tigers so I'm sorry I really don't get why they are kicking up such a stink?

Agreed.

I'd be fine with Cardiff Bluebirds.

Hull Tigers are making a big fuss over nothing. Its not like he's turned them into Hull Zebra's and given them a white and black kit just because he went on a safari in the summer is it?

Barnett this made me actually laugh out loud!

Because they are Hull City not Hull Tigers. We are Cardiff City not Cardiff Dragons. I am Steve Thomas not Steve Nuclearble or Nukes. A nickname is just that a nickname. An affectionate way of referring to someone.
We are football teams and do not have fancy Rugby names. Our name is our history not to be messed with by eccentric billionaires.
These pathetic owners are just custodians of our Clubs so they should respect that, they should respect its customs and history as they will not always be there, not like us the supporters. And not behave like they own the world and do what the fook they like.

Hull City forever
Cardiff City forever
Eccentric billionaires fook off

Sorry Steve but you're wrong. They're PLC's now mate whether we like it or not. The clubs aren't protected and thats the fault of the FA and government. Its not the fault of the clubs owners. I blame the FA and the government for not having the guts to intervene.

Agreed.

I'd be fine with Cardiff Bluebirds.

Hull Tigers are making a big fuss over nothing. Its not like he's turned them into Hull Zebra's and given them a white and black kit just because he went on a safari in the summer is it?

Barnett this made me actually laugh out loud!

Changing a clubs name is affectively starting a new club.

No from me.

Changing a clubs name is affectively starting a new club.

No from me.

No its not. If you change your name by deed poll you're not a new person, not even on paper in the eyes of the law. It's all done on the basis of continuation. If you fill in forms you have to state what your old name was and so on, if you want to get checks done to apply for certain jobs.

You don't just become a new person and a club changing its name doesn't just become another club. A club is more than just bricks and mortar to us. Its a business and I can understand that but its a business where the customer base has a tribalistic and loyal attachment. Its different from most other sectors in the customer relations respect. Apple, are probably changing that whereby they've created a culture of fan boys who pledge allegiance to them in very much the same way fans do to football clubs but that's a separate issue entirely - based more on stringent marketing techniques and an icon like Steve Jobs being arguably the greatest innovator, salesman and UI/UX designer of all time.

For me, the club will always live on unless the name change is severe in line with other severe changes. For example, Cardiff Zebra's in white and black playing in the Safari Park Stadium. That's not a club I can align with. However, a simple name change like Cardiff Bluebirds which is nothing more than an incorporation of a century of history I can take. If anything, that appeals to me more. Once we become the Bluebirds and have it in our name, its much, much harder for an owner to change it again as our brand image and identity will be strong due to the brand consistency. Once you have a consistent brand that's at the top level, its daft to change it. You either risk derailing the entire brand.

Our current problem is nothing to do with name change. Our problem is the overall brand image Tan is trying to create. He wants us to be known as the dragons. Thats the problem. If he wanted to sell us to America for example as The Bluebirds then I wouldn't have an issue. I'd be happy for him to call us Cardiff Bluebirds FC, us play in blue with a bluebird badge because I AM A BLUEBIRD AND I AM PROUD TO BE ONE. I'd be happy for us to do tours and have games like The Bluebirds vs The Whitecaps and ESPN could sell it and we'd get a lot more recognition and do well that way. Incorporating the nickname into the name is not a disaster. Its only a disaster when its a NICKNAME that means sod all to your club and thats why I disagree with Hull fans. THAT NICKNAME SHOULD MEAN EVERYTHING TO THEIR CLUB.

In my opinion, by saying they're not happy to have it as part of their nickname, they're kind of saying, well thats not us. We're not the tigers, we're Hull City. If thats the case then why have a bloody nickname in the first place? If you want to be called simply Hull City why refer to the club as the Tigers? Why for many years have they wore a tiger badge proudly? Why not just Hull City FC with a picture of a local monument or something? The argument of Hull's minority just doesn't make sense. The majority of Hull fans I speak to are happy to be Hull Tigers FC because they're proud of who they are.

Becoming Hull Tigers FC doesn't eradicate their history. If anything it reinforces their identity and who they are. Everyone knows Hull is a city so the suffix in itself is worthless. I dont think everyone knows they're the tigers yet everyone should know just like when I go abroad I want Cardiff to be known as the bluebirds.

Hull are having their own nickname incorporated into their name. We're going to have a nickname forced upon us by our owner incorporated into the name and it is obviously coming down the line. Thats why ours is worse. Thats not a nickname thats ours and its not a nickname we identify by. If people think Hull's is worse they're deluded. If anything there's isnt even an issue. The omission of City in favour of Tigers does nothing other than reinforce their identity and who they are. They have a tiger on their badge and they've been called the Tigers for years. Heck, they even have that cringeworthy chant 'you're getting mauled by the tigers' so they obviously identify themselves as tigers. Whats the issue then?

We're going to be getting a nickname nobody wants except for Tan and a few targeted investors on the SE in Asia. Thats why our rebranding is a disgrace. It wasn't a reinforcing of identity for marketing purposes. It was a complete eradication of identity for Tan's purposes. I cant say much more than that and if you cant see how ours is worse then you never will. To me and others its as clear as day.

Barnett claiming how wonderful Hull's rebrand will be for them, yet under his moniker of JBCCFC1927, he was claiming how terrible it was & even formed a protest group about it.

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewt ... 0#p1240747

I've spoke to Annis today and have told him after seeing Hull City Tigers there in front of me reality sank in and there it was, a nickname right in the name, and I think that is wrong and I can only fear the same happening to us after Tan praising their owner.

If you're on Twitter then drop a message by @theninianstand and we can get you involved if you seriously are interested and we'll slowly work our way up properly and establish ourselves properly in a manner which can be respected not only by the club but the media as well.

I'll be setting up the forum tomorrow most likely and getting more things moving.

Barnett claiming how wonderful Hull's rebrand will be for them, yet under his moniker of JBCCFC1927, he was claiming how terrible it was & even formed a protest group about it.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=120946&start=30#p1240747

I've spoke to Annis today and have told him after seeing Hull City Tigers there in front of me reality sank in and there it was, a nickname right in the name, and I think that is wrong and I can only fear the same happening to us after Tan praising their owner.

If you're on Twitter then drop a message by @theninianstand and we can get you involved if you seriously are interested and we'll slowly work our way up properly and establish ourselves properly in a manner which can be respected not only by the club but the media as well.

I'll be setting up the forum tomorrow most likely and getting more things moving.

Im pretty sure he even also said he would walk away if Tan touched the name. Although it escapes me under which of his usernames this stance was made under - they all seemed to have differing views on the subject

Barnett is probably a lovely boy but surely people have learned to take anything he says with a pinch of salt as it will likely be the opposite a week later

Agree. A name change that includes the nickname of a club or anything like that or the to be nickname of us as thats the way its going is just stupid. I think names should always stay separate as I see names as the true identity. I think nicknames and logos and so on are just brand identity but everything is in the name.

I would only accept something similar to what we have.

Cardiff City FC
Cardiff FC - drop the City - thats fine by me as its still Cardiff in it and no stupid nickname or corporation like Red Bull

Cardiff & The Vale FC is even better than Cardiff Dragons FC and is similar to Brighton & Hove Albion and would also make perfect sense to get people from those areas more involved and supporting the club. Although the clubs in those areas might not like it it would make more sense than dragons.

If Tan wants dragons then just the nickname FFS and he can put the dragon logo on Asian TV to appease the people there. If he puts dragons or anything like that in the name it will be a disgrace.

Cardiff Bluebirds got a nice ring to it. Would'nt bother me, plenty of Citys and F C's around, but probably only ever be one Bluebirds, just need a shirt to match the name then.