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Correct it does not...............but neither does sitting on your arse in the house smoking superkings and drinking cans of cider.......when 25% of the care homes in wales cant get enough staff.

University increases your job prospects and the likelihood of a larger salary later in life. There are people at university with children studying, putting their children into playgroups and being mums. These mothers and these fathers are a credit to our society and true role models. They do get extra financial help as parents studying but I think they're entitled to it because they're not sat on their arses. They are actually doing something and studying to better themselves and their prospects which in turn increases their chances of gaining a better paid job and therefore paying more tax back into the system. Its an investment in them like any other student.

The problem is many want the money but don't want to better themselves, don't want to contribute and just love to keep taking and being leaches on society. Its all about them and what they can get. If it wasn't they'd give something back and be proactive, self motivated, etc.

Your preeching to the converted fella read all my posts

The government does not owe anyone a cushty life and you're a product of the environment you were born into and grew up in. I didn't ask to have what is regarded as a disability and I could be claiming now and not even bother with uni if I wanted to do so but I don't want to be a burden on society and I want to better myself, get a good job and contribute to the system, the system that invested in me by providing me an education.

Correct it does not...............but neither does sitting on your arse in the house smoking superkings and drinking cans of cider.......when 25% of the care homes in wales cant get enough staff.

University increases your job prospects and the likelihood of a larger salary later in life. There are people at university with children studying, putting their children into playgroups and being mums. These mothers and these fathers are a credit to our society and true role models. They do get extra financial help as parents studying but I think they're entitled to it because they're not sat on their arses. They are actually doing something and studying to better themselves and their prospects which in turn increases their chances of gaining a better paid job and therefore paying more tax back into the system. Its an investment in them like any other student.

The problem is many want the money but don't want to better themselves, don't want to contribute and just love to keep taking and being leaches on society. Its all about them and what they can get. If it wasn't they'd give something back and be proactive, self motivated, etc.

The government does not owe anyone a cushty life and you're a product of the environment you were born into and grew up in. I didn't ask to have what is regarded as a disability and I could be claiming now and not even bother with uni if I wanted to do so but I don't want to be a burden on society and I want to better myself, get a good job and contribute to the system, the system that invested in me by providing me an education.

Your preeching to the converted fella read all my posts

I was agreeing with you fella. What really annoys me is these bone idle lot take some money away from those that really need it. If the same amount of money was allocated to welfare then each pensioner on benefits could get that extra bit more money which helps when heating homes in winter and so on. If a pensioner was on £65 per week then with that extra money saved they could be on £75 per week and it all makes a difference.

How does University feed the family then?

If you cant afford children then use a condom and don't have them. Simple enough really. If you have children because you're an irresponsible moron then thats your own problem to solve. Others shouldn't have to foot the bill for your stupidity just because you couldn't put something on the end of it.

If you wait and go to university then go into a job then you'll be able to feed the family won't you? Not hard to work out is it? If you're going to come straight out of school and become a baby making machine then thats your own problem.

So say there's a 40 year old bloke with a wife and two kids who's worked 20 years at the same company and got a pretty decent wage while working there and have lived quite comfortably because of it.

Said company shuts down and moves its operations to Belgium making all of its workers redundant.

Bloke looks around to other similar jobs in the area but can't find any work despite putting dozens of CVs in because there are another 500 people in exactly the same position going for all of these jobs. The bloke has no formal qualifications but has done pretty well for himself at the one company but because the company's gone it means very little.

Does a college course help there?

Correct it does not...............but neither does sitting on your arse in the house smoking superkings and drinking cans of cider.......when 25% of the care homes in wales cant get enough staff.

University increases your job prospects and the likelihood of a larger salary later in life. There are people at university with children studying, putting their children into playgroups and being mums. These mothers and these fathers are a credit to our society and true role models. They do get extra financial help as parents studying but I think they're entitled to it because they're not sat on their arses. They are actually doing something and studying to better themselves and their prospects which in turn increases their chances of gaining a better paid job and therefore paying more tax back into the system. Its an investment in them like any other student.

The problem is many want the money but don't want to better themselves, don't want to contribute and just love to keep taking and being leaches on society. Its all about them and what they can get. If it wasn't they'd give something back and be proactive, self motivated, etc.

The government does not owe anyone a cushty life and you're a product of the environment you were born into and grew up in. I didn't ask to have what is regarded as a disability and I could be claiming now and not even bother with uni if I wanted to do so but I don't want to be a burden on society and I want to better myself, get a good job and contribute to the system, the system that invested in me by providing me an education.

Your preeching to the converted fella read all my posts

I was agreeing with you fella. What really annoys me is these bone idle lot take some money away from those that really need it. If the same amount of money was allocated to welfare then each pensioner on benefits could get that extra bit more money which helps when heating homes in winter and so on. If a pensioner was on £65 per week then with that extra money saved they could be on £75 per week and it all makes a difference.

Britain's future population explosion will inevitably be its down fall. There are only so many jobs out there. People are living longer, Britain no longer has a border to speak of and the population on current projected levels could reach 130 million in the
next 30 - 50 years ( these projections were in the Telegraph a few weeks back). I firmly believe 100 million will be achieved within the next 25 years. The population is already some 80 million although the estimates say 67 million. The census has been conveniently stopped ( I wonder why???) The sheer numbers that won't be working will be horrendous and the consequences will be horrific! The NHS will eventually seize up. Welfare - Kaput! Crime, Murder you name it we'll have it! Vast areas of slums will spring up like you see in Brazil, Mogadishu, etc. Don't think it's coming - we have many slums already in many inner cities and no go areas! We are just at the beginning - I've seen the decline over the last 40 years and the next 40 are going to be catastrophic!!!

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Lots of people leave uni with degrees and can't find work,times are hard for everyone.
Another problem is eastern europeans taking a lot of unskilled jobs which the British unskilled would normally do.

Lots of people leave uni with degrees and can't find work,times are hard for everyone.
Another problem is eastern europeans taking a lot of unskilled jobs which the British unskilled would normally do.

But what degrees are they leaving with ????? too many going to university and studying subjects and courses with no employment at the end.There are a shortage of engineers,maths teachers,electronic engineers, chemists etc etc while half the university campus are doing media studies and sociology............these people need to wake up and smell the coffee........half the time its the courses they have taken.

Lots of people leave uni with degrees and can't find work,times are hard for everyone.
Another problem is eastern europeans taking a lot of unskilled jobs which the British unskilled would normally do.

This situation can never improve with Britain's open door policy, but it can only get worse. Any country needs to control its numbers coming in - its basic common sense! The fact that anyone can come is nothing short of insanity!!!

The facts are we have government that no longer represents the interests of Britain. They have signed away the control to faceless communists in the EU! This is a fact! Come election time, your voting for parties that no longer work in the best interests of you and I, but of themselves and in the interests of the big picture - which is a United States of Europe - this is what they want! A free and democratic government would Not allow open borders - it wouldn't happen! This has all been a deliberate policy of Brussels from the beginning - and our politicians signed us up - and by doing so gave away our democracy!

So say there's a 40 year old bloke with a wife and two kids who's worked 20 years at the same company and got a pretty decent wage while working there and have lived quite comfortably because of it.

Said company shuts down and moves its operations to Belgium making all of its workers redundant.

Bloke looks around to other similar jobs in the area but can't find any work despite putting dozens of CVs in because there are another 500 people in exactly the same position going for all of these jobs. The bloke has no formal qualifications but has done pretty well for himself at the one company but because the company's gone it means very little.

Does a college course help there?

It will help him retrain in another field to open more doors for him in terms of career progression yes. Its certainly a lot better than sitting on his arse claiming benefits whilst wallowing in self pity. Thats just going to make things worse as he will get stuck in a rut. Of that I can assure you. The more you train and learn and the qualifications you take the more doors you open for yourself. One might close for you because of factors out of your control, thats a given and I'm not disputing that, but you should train and set yourself up to be a more rounded professional offering more than just one thing.

I know people who've been in pretty much the very position you described and went back to college or uni later in their lives to retrain. One of them now is working as a software engineer and doing a Phd and the other went to college and is a hairdresser who was at first just going to peoples houses etc. but is in the process of opening her own salon now. Neither wallowed in self pity. Of course it was tough for them. No one likes being made redundant or face change because its a shock and takes getting used too but they had the drive to turn around their fortunes.

If you think giving these people benefits for nothing is the answer then more fool you.

Lots of people leave uni with degrees and can't find work,times are hard for everyone.
Another problem is eastern europeans taking a lot of unskilled jobs which the British unskilled would normally do.

This situation can never improve with Britain's open door policy, but it can only get worse. Any country needs to control its numbers coming in - its basic common sense! The fact that anyone can come is nothing short of insanity!!!

The facts are we have government that no longer represents the interests of Britain. They have signed away the control to faceless communists in the EU! This is a fact! Come election time, your voting for parties that no longer work in the best interests of you and I, but of themselves and in the interests of the big picture - which is a United States of Europe - this is what they want! A free and democratic government would Not allow open borders - it wouldn't happen! This has all been a deliberate policy of Brussels from the beginning - and our politicians signed us up - and by doing so gave away our democracy!

the sooner we're out of Europe the better,trade with them,yes,the rest of it we don't need.

You wouldn't believe how many lazy bastards there are out there at the lower skilled end of the market.

Benefits should stop unless you are seriously ill and no I don't even mean having one leg because you can still sit by a desk!!!

If there was no benefits you watch the work ethic in this country simply change overnight!!!

Believe me there is work out there if you really want it

You wouldn't believe how many lazy bastards there are out there at the lower skilled end of the market.

Benefits should stop unless you are seriously ill and no I don't even mean having one leg because you can still sit by a desk!!!

If there was no benefits you watch the work ethic in this country simply change overnight!!!

Believe me there is work out there if you really want it

increase the minimum wage to £9 an hour,people will make the effort then,what is it at the moment £6.20,no wonder people stay at home.

So say there's a 40 year old bloke with a wife and two kids who's worked 20 years at the same company and got a pretty decent wage while working there and have lived quite comfortably because of it.

Said company shuts down and moves its operations to Belgium making all of its workers redundant.

Bloke looks around to other similar jobs in the area but can't find any work despite putting dozens of CVs in because there are another 500 people in exactly the same position going for all of these jobs. The bloke has no formal qualifications but has done pretty well for himself at the one company but because the company's gone it means very little.

Does a college course help there?

It will help him retrain in another field to open more doors for him in terms of career progression yes. Its certainly a lot better than sitting on his arse claiming benefits whilst wallowing in self pity. Thats just going to make things worse as he will get stuck in a rut. Of that I can assure you. The more you train and learn and the qualifications you take the more doors you open for yourself. One might close for you because of factors out of your control, thats a given and I'm not disputing that, but you should train and set yourself up to be a more rounded professional offering more than just one thing.

I know people who've been in pretty much the very position you described and went back to college or uni later in their lives to retrain. One of them now is working as a software engineer and doing a Phd and the other went to college and is a hairdresser who was at first just going to peoples houses etc. but is in the process of opening her own salon now. Neither wallowed in self pity. Of course it was tough for them. No one likes being made redundant or face change because its a shock and takes getting used too but they had the drive to turn around their fortunes.

If you think giving these people benefits for nothing is the answer then more fool you.

You haven't explained how him and his family get fed while he's on this 3 year uni course...

You wouldn't believe how many lazy bastards there are out there at the lower skilled end of the market.

Benefits should stop unless you are seriously ill and no I don't even mean having one leg because you can still sit by a desk!!!

If there was no benefits you watch the work ethic in this country simply change overnight!!!

Believe me there is work out there if you really want it

increase the minimum wage to £9 an hour,people will make the effort then,what is it at the moment £6.20,no wonder people stay at home.

Yeah while good hard working people especially shop owners who are getting crippled at the moment go under simply to support some lazy c**t to change his/her mind to want to work!!! Yeah great policy there!!!!

The bottom line is that Labour made lazyiness pay to ensure future support of the underclass!!!!

You haven't explained how him and his family get fed while he's on this 3 year uni course...

Student loans - grants - support for the children.

His wife is capable of working by the way or did she suddenly become unable to work when he got made redundant? She goes to work to contribute and the children can be put in the playgroup at the university etc. to save money. Now, you'll say 'what if the wife is disabled or ill' well then she would rightly be entitled to the appropriate benefit.

There's plenty of families in this country where one partner is in work, the other studying, with children and they get on fine. Sometimes its the woman working and sometimes its the man working. It depends on the specific relationship in question but people are doing it all up and down the country. They get support for doing it and I think thats fine.

He gets his tuition covered. He gets a maintenance loan and grant of around £6-7k. Thats what he contributes. She gets a job somewhere, nothing special on around £15,000 per year. Thats £10k under the average grad salary in the UK but its contributing to the overall household income. Together they bring in £22-23k each year. Of course, due to her earnings, some of that will be taxable. His won't as its a loan/grant. They'll end up most likely with around £20,000 after tax I'd guess off the top of my head based on NI contributions and so forth. £20k/12 months of the year is £1,666 - that covers rent, bills and food. Yes they might have to go without whilst he is retraining but thats life and you have to make sacrifices. Thats another thing people struggle with in this country because of all the consumerist bullshit.

Come on fella, you're just looking for excuses. Its laughable and typical of the mindset of many in this country.

If there was no benefits you watch the work ethic in this country simply change overnight!!!

Spot on Adam. You are 100% correct. Go to some of these countries in Europe and they work because they have to do so as the benefits are a pittance and not worth going to collect. They get up 6am, work all day, then they're back home, have some food and a drink and the cycle starts again. When they come here they don't mind working because 8-4pm is like paradise in terms of hours for them. They get a decent wage, decent hours so are willing to work their socks off because they've never had it so good. Thats why theres more and more companies only employing immigrants and even advertising abroad.

You wouldn't believe how many lazy bastards there are out there at the lower skilled end of the market.

Benefits should stop unless you are seriously ill and no I don't even mean having one leg because you can still sit by a desk!!!

If there was no benefits you watch the work ethic in this country simply change overnight!!!

Believe me there is work out there if you really want it

increase the minimum wage to £9 an hour,people will make the effort then,what is it at the moment £6.20,no wonder people stay at home.

Yeah while good hard working people especially shop owners who are getting crippled at the moment go under simply to support some lazy c**t to change his/her mind to want to work!!! Yeah great policy there!!!!

The bottom line is that Labour made lazyiness pay to ensure future support of the underclass!!!!

people want a wage they can live on that's all,£6.20 isn't a living wage.

These programmes, combined with the huge quantity of benefits 'stories' in the tabloids, all fit into a wider agenda to turn neighbour against neighbour and let the true 'scroungers' off the hook.

If your anger is directed at the 1% of welfare spending that is lost as a result of benefit cheats then its misguided. Far more reason to be angry at tax-avoidance in my view.

Welfare should serve as protection for the most vulnerable (disabled, elderly etc) and as a safety net for those who have been made redundant.

The benefits of immigration! Here already, but going to get a whole lot worse!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/453 ... n-burglars

Hard times............dont make me laugh........the people on hard times are the families working everyday for low wages, paying their bills, council tax, national insurance, tax, rent/morgage............not these scum who have never done a days work in their lives.If they clamped down on these lazy drug ridden clowns, there would be more benefits for those who deserve them, such as the old aged and the disabled.

your generalising,so everyone on benefits are scum.I hope one day you find yourself on benefits.Fool.

You are classing all benefits claimants as sob story victims, victimised by the big angry Tories. If you try hard enough you'll get a job. Apply at Mcdonalds for example, but you wouldn't want to work there would you? It'll affect your street cred.

Lets all vote for Labour though eh?. The heroes that crippled our economy in the first place, with a bellend in charge who knows how to get the ignorant majority on side, by offering price freezes on fuel without knowing how he'd pay for it.

Not everyone rich is evil, if you're going down the line of prejudice.

I'm sorry, Labour crippled our economy? So it wasn't the massive budget cuts by the Tories which made a massive jobless problem, businesses closing down, record level of public borrowing, doing f**k all to punish the banks for putting our economy in the shit when tax payers money bailed out the banks which went towards bonuses with in the banks.

Then our wonderful Prime Minister gets a f*cking mansion worth £3.9million payed for by tax payers money and he also claims child benefits despite being a multi millionaire.

We just suffered a recession which has ruined many lives and that fuckwit Osbourne wants to cut a further £25billion to government departments which know doubt will put us back in another recession.

Hey ho, let's blame labour and not the banks.

These programmes, combined with the huge quantity of benefits 'stories' in the tabloids, all fit into a wider agenda to turn neighbour against neighbour and let the true 'scroungers' off the hook.

If your anger is directed at the 1% of welfare spending that is lost as a result of benefit cheats then its misguided. Far more reason to be angry at tax-avoidance in my view.

Welfare should serve as protection for the most vulnerable (disabled, elderly etc) and as a safety net for those who have been made redundant.

People seem to have the view it's fine for the rich to avoid tax because they're already rich but it's cheating to get any form of benefit.

Phillip green payed his wife a £1 billion dividend,she's a non dom so avoiding any tax.These are the people to target not the poorest who haven't got a penny to scratch their ass.

Phillip green payed his wife a £1 billion dividend,she's a non dom so avoiding any tax.These are the people to target not the poorest who haven't got a penny to scratch their ass.

They can save 13 billion by stopping Foreign aid. A further 8 billion by getting out and divorcing our real unelected government in Brussels. Chasing people like green is a drop in the ocean to the amount of government waste. The second largest advertiser in the UK is the government, can you believe that. The NHS is the second largest employer - in the World - in the World for God's sake. The Chinese military is the largest.
The amount of waste is so staggering, you'd be able to slash taxes overnight no problem, but the government is like a hoover that is out of control and consumes everything in it's path. Slash government and give them less taxes to waste is the answer - not giving them more year on year!

Phillip green payed his wife a £1 billion dividend,she's a non dom so avoiding any tax.These are the people to target not the poorest who haven't got a penny to scratch their ass.

They can save 13 billion by stopping Foreign aid. A further 8 billion by getting out and divorcing our real unelected government in Brussels. Chasing people like green is a drop in the ocean to the amount of government waste. The second largest advertiser in the UK is the government, can you believe that. The NHS is the second largest employer - in the World - in the World for God's sake. The Chinese military is the largest.
The amount of waste is so staggering, you'd be able to slash taxes overnight no problem, but the government is like a hoover that is out of control and consumes everything in it's path. Slash government and give them less taxes to waste is the answer - not giving them more year on year!

A new system is desperately needed.

Phillip green payed his wife a £1 billion dividend,she's a non dom so avoiding any tax.These are the people to target not the poorest who haven't got a penny to scratch their ass.

They can save 13 billion by stopping Foreign aid. A further 8 billion by getting out and divorcing our real unelected government in Brussels. Chasing people like green is a drop in the ocean to the amount of government waste. The second largest advertiser in the UK is the government, can you believe that. The NHS is the second largest employer - in the World - in the World for God's sake. The Chinese military is the largest.
The amount of waste is so staggering, you'd be able to slash taxes overnight no problem, but the government is like a hoover that is out of control and consumes everything in it's path. Slash government and give them less taxes to waste is the answer - not giving them more year on year!

Also while I'm on it, when you add in our 650 hopeless puppet MP's, the house of lords, the Welsh, Scottish and N Irish jobsworths which are extra layers of useless governance - how much does it cost for these combined failures ???? We have nearly double the amount of MP's and other government jobsworths than the whole of United States of America - which has a population of over 300 million people. So many things are wrong here and so much money spunked against the wall!!!

Sorry but there's people who simply haven't got a clue on here tonight. Bridgend bluebird I think you may not know but when Labour come to power in 1997 they took over one of the best financial situations this country has EVER had yet when it left in 2010 we were in the highest Recessions EVER and you cant blame the Bad tories are that!!!

Phillip green payed his wife a £1 billion dividend,she's a non dom so avoiding any tax.These are the people to target not the poorest who haven't got a penny to scratch their ass.

They can save 13 billion by stopping Foreign aid. A further 8 billion by getting out and divorcing our real unelected government in Brussels. Chasing people like green is a drop in the ocean to the amount of government waste. The second largest advertiser in the UK is the government, can you believe that. The NHS is the second largest employer - in the World - in the World for God's sake. The Chinese military is the largest.
The amount of waste is so staggering, you'd be able to slash taxes overnight no problem, but the government is like a hoover that is out of control and consumes everything in it's path. Slash government and give them less taxes to waste is the answer - not giving them more year on year!

Also while I'm on it, when you add in our 650 hopeless puppet MP's, the house of lords, the Welsh, Scottish and N Irish jobsworths which are extra layers of useless governance - how much does it cost for these combined failures ???? We have nearly double the amount of MP's and other government jobsworths than the whole of United States of America - which has a population of over 300 million people. So many things are wrong here and so much money spunked against the wall!!!

well said i was going to add something but you've summed it up beautifully.

Ways to save and create money.

Cut any government projects which are useless.

MPs who have businesses or have jobs shouldn't get payed.

Foreign aid should be used properly, for example. Britain gave Pakistan £600mil in "aid" to help build schools, Pakistan bought a nuclear powered submarine.

All companies operating in the uk should pay tax. Google, Amazon, Starbucks for prime example.

Government investment in science could generate a lot of money. Osbourne said he'd invest £500million which would bring in £7.5 billion to the economy.

Trying to actually create a competitive market in all markets.

Promoting British products with in Britain and over seas.

Properly regulate banks.

Government investing more money in universities. MIT in USA produce some amazing technology which benefits the people and their military.

I can't be bothered to list more at this moment in time. But I'm hoping you'll get the idea.

The foreign aid is simply down to the Lib Dems because they wanted it put into the collation agreement. Yet people even blame the Tories for that too!!! Lol

Sorry but there's people who simply haven't got a clue on here tonight. Bridgend bluebird I think you may not know but when Labour come to power in 1997 they took over one of the best financial situations this country has EVER had yet when it left in 2010 we were in the highest Recessions EVER and you cant blame the Bad tories are that!!!

Yea, just remembered about the recession being early than thought, I'll own up to making that big mistake.

But have the Tories really done anything to help the country? The economy is starting to improve and yet the government announce £25billion of budget cuts.

The foreign aid is simply down to the Lib Dems because they wanted it put into the collation agreement. Yet people even blame the Tories for that too!!! Lol

Let's be honest. The Tories agreed to that to stop the lib dems from bitching. Shame Lib Dems jumped in bed with the Tories, if I was old enough at the time I would've voted for them.

Anyway this "coalition" is affectively just the Tories.