' Mark Hudson ? '

Turner is better IMHO.


They are both OK, but it's a tough division where centre halfs get tested in a different way to the Championship.

Turner is stronger, quicker, also left-footed which helps. Carlton Cole was made for him and wouldn't have had a sniff. He's given Hudson a tough time before due to his bulk.

Yes Turner often goes long, but better to lose a long ball than a short one ! He's also still young and will improve as he gets more Premiership experience.

Tim, for the top bloke that you are ... you don't half put positive spin on negatives, either that or you aint got a f*cking scooby when it comes to football in the prem especially.

Both Hudson And Turner are not pedigree CH defenders.... Championship at best.

Malky knew that he wasn't up to standard

I know Turner gets abuse on here for being a donkey and having awful distribution (he does have awful distribution) but he is brilliant in the tackle and blocks loads of shots from reaching the goal

I think we need to get another CB to replace him but turner can do the job fairly well - Hudson unfortunately cannot

Hope OGS puts turner back on the pitch for our next ficture

Totally agree, my thoughts as well. I don't think either are up to the Premiership standard, however, I prefer Turner, he is a better header of the ball, quicker and stronger in the tackle than Hudson. Turners distribution lets him down, but yesterday all I saw Hudson doing was looking to pass it back to Marshall, even from just inside his own half, so it had as much impact as Turner aimlessly hoofing it.

Hudson has been great for us. He's got passion, reads the game well, good in the air,is a goal threat and distribution is good.

However, he simply isn't quick enough. It's sad but, unfortunately, some players just can't make that step up to the next level through no fault of their own.

Pace is so much more important at Prem level. I think Ole has already recognised that we are a bit slow with the signings we're rumoured to be linked with. Eikrem isn't the quickest but moves the ball that split second faster, the new kid and Zaha have pace to burn and, if the rumours are true, if Fabio has one thing it is pace !!

Both Hudson and Turner are championship players.

Both poor in this league, but Turner over huds for me. Hudson turns slower than the titanic and stops us being able to hold any kind of high line. We have to defend a lot deeper with him.

He a great when sitting in the pen area heading balls away and chucking himself in front of things,but ogs seems to want to press and have a go at teams so we have to push up an press as a team or it creates holes everywhere as on Saturday.

Personally, I think we saw why Turner was selected throughout the first half of the season, on Saturday.

If you don't rate Hudson surely you cant rate the donkey Turner as he is by far no where near premier league quality ??????
Hudson should have been in the side all season imo.

i agree! Turner is a tracker! needs to go out on loan! hudson hasn't got the expeirience he needs to be playing in PL, but to gain that he needs to play! give the lad a chance!

If you don't rate Hudson surely you cant rate the donkey Turner as he is by far no where near premier league quality ??????
Hudson should have been in the side all season imo.

i agree! Turner is a tracker! needs to go out on loan! hudson hasn't got the expeirience he needs to be playing in PL, but to gain that he needs to play! give the lad a chance!

My personal opinion as a fan, I dont think Mark Hudson is good enough for the Premier League way out of his league.
but thats just my opinion.



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Agree with you.

And if we're being frank here, out of the current squad neither are Kim, Whittingham, Cornelius, Gunnarrsson, Cowie, John, Turner, McNaughton, Connelly, Odemwinghie, Lewis, Taylor, Smith, Maynard and Mason.

Championship players all save Cornelius who is parks standard.

Only Marshall, Caulker, Medel, Mutch, Noone and Bellamy are PL standard.

Juries still out for me on Campbell, T-Katherine & Eikrem.

Mackay has a lot to answer for getting the 25 he did together pre season with all that money available.

It will take a miracle now for City to catch up the ground lost versus 2 average teams in Sunderland & West Ham. City now need to actually win 3-4 on the spin (and all the home games in February and hope the other teams around them draw or lose). Forget the next 2 games, City will be bottom at end of January, if not sooner.

If City go down then it would have been the classic way of how NOT to try to survive in the PL. It would be the most cack handed attempt in PL history.

MIRACLES now required.

I think Hudson is more than capable at this level, being on the left though is far from ideal but it’s no surprise we had so much possession when Turner isn’t in the team. for the time being id keep Hudson but I don’t think there is a lot between him and Turner

I haven't read the entire thread here but neither Hudson or Turner are good enough. OGS needs to sign a new CH alongside Caulker who BTW seems to be going backwards but I think a top partner alongside him will bring him back to where he should be.

When turner plays medel should be making his open and screaming at him to give him the ball 5 yrds away each time. John terry can't pass water but made it to england captain, because he had a full back and holding midfielder who demanded the ball from him as soon as he got it.

Can't see why people are getting so upset about this topic, as nobody is saying that he's shit or a donkey like other players have been labelled!

Whilst he has been very patient and probably deserves his chance, I personally thought it was a mistake to play him on the left yesterday, as I thought he looked as uncomfortable on the left, as Turner does in possession on too many occasions for my liking!

IMO, unless Caulker can play on the left alongside him, then I'd bring Turner back in, or better still, another centre back!

As leadership qualities have been brought up, I have to say that I only saw Bellamy show anything like the necessary qualities required in that department yesterday and I didn't see any leadership skills at the back at all!

I have no idea why Solskjær didn't play Caulker on the left, as you say. Maybe he'll rectify his mistake in time for Man City away. Let's face it, we need all the help we can get

Hudson is not even close to being a premiership centre half.He is a good championship one ( but not great)
He reads the game well but is so slow and technically poor.way below the standard required. I always thought he was a liability in the championship too . malky knew he wasn't good enough too, but he was a back up player.
Turner is better, but not good enough either. Caulker is a good premiership centre half but is still learning and no where near his best yet, but he is the minimum quality we require in these positions especially now we may be playing a more attacking style of football. We could be countered more, often as we venture forward more so will need quicker defenders.Super Kev has had his day great heart but again too slow. John looks like he can step up and will be very good imho.Frenchy boy is a quick and attacking full back but seems to make a number of crucial mistakes ( Sunderland clearance)
a prime example.
Medel plays centre half for Chilie not that quick but technically good and reads the game very well, but then who would you put in this defensive midfield position??

Just my take on our defence

I would totally disagree with your first sentence. He's not biblically slow, and nor is he 'technically poor'. He's technically better than Turner. As for your belief that he is 'way below the standard required', ludicrous!

How the f*cking hell was he a 'liability' in the Championship?! He was the best centre-half in the whole bloody league last season, and was deservedly named in the PFA Championship team of the season!

I would also dispute your claim that Malky knew he wasn't good enough. If so, then why did he not get a replacement before the beginning of last season? And just because Malky plumped for Turner instead of him at the beginning of this season, does not constitute Malky believing that he wasn't up to scratch. If so, he should've got a new centre-half to sit on the bench, as Hudson would've been called upon to fill in whenever Turner/Caulker were injured/suspended.

By the way, who is the 'Frenchy boy' that you refer to? Would you possibly be alluding to Kévin Théophile-Catherine?

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Neither of them are anywhere near good enough.

Bullshit

Malky knew that he wasn't up to standard

I know Turner gets abuse on here for being a donkey and having awful distribution (he does have awful distribution) but he is brilliant in the tackle and blocks loads of shots from reaching the goal

I think we need to get another CB to replace him but turner can do the job fairly well - Hudson unfortunately cannot

Hope OGS puts turner back on the pitch for our next ficture

Malky knew he wasn't good enough? If so, then I shall repeat myself (or rather, copy and paste ). If Malky thought he wasn't up to standard, then why did Malky not get a replacement before the beginning of last season? And just because Malky plumped for Turner instead of him at the beginning of this season, does not constitute Malky believing that he wasn't up to scratch. If so, he should've got a new centre-half to sit on the bench, as Hudson would've been called upon to fill in whenever Turner/Caulker were injured/suspended.

As for your belief that Turner is 'brilliant in the tackle and blocks loads of shots from reaching the goal' (which is absolutely true, may I add - he really does put his body 'on the line'. He's one of the best I've seen in doing so), then the same can be said for Hudson (see Carling Cup final, 2012). For my money - and contrary to what you believe - Hudson can do whatever Turner can do.

By the way, it's 'fixture', not 'ficture'.

Malky knew that he wasn't up to standard

I know Turner gets abuse on here for being a donkey and having awful distribution (he does have awful distribution) but he is brilliant in the tackle and blocks loads of shots from reaching the goal

I think we need to get another CB to replace him but turner can do the job fairly well - Hudson unfortunately cannot

Hope OGS puts turner back on the pitch for our next ficture

Totally agree, my thoughts as well. I don't think either are up to the Premiership standard, however, I prefer Turner, he is a better header of the ball, quicker and stronger in the tackle than Hudson. Turners distribution lets him down, but yesterday all I saw Hudson doing was looking to pass it back to Marshall, even from just inside his own half, so it had as much impact as Turner aimlessly hoofing it.

Codswallop. At least we retain possession by doing what Hudson does. By doing what Turner often does, the ball is frequently given back to the opposition without a fight. And as I've already said in this thread, Hudson can head the ball as well as Turner can, and can tackle as quickly and as strongly as Turner can. There isn't much between them. You could said that there is nothing between them.

Both Hudson and Turner are championship players.

Both poor in this league, but Turner over huds for me. Hudson turns slower than the titanic and stops us being able to hold any kind of high line. We have to defend a lot deeper with him.

He a great when sitting in the pen area heading balls away and chucking himself in front of things,but ogs seems to want to press and have a go at teams so we have to push up an press as a team or it creates holes everywhere as on Saturday.

Please don't spout such clichéd bullshit.

Personally, I think we saw why Turner was selected throughout the first half of the season, on Saturday.

Please elaborate

Malky knew that he wasn't up to standard

I know Turner gets abuse on here for being a donkey and having awful distribution (he does have awful distribution) but he is brilliant in the tackle and blocks loads of shots from reaching the goal

I think we need to get another CB to replace him but turner can do the job fairly well - Hudson unfortunately cannot

Hope OGS puts turner back on the pitch for our next ficture

Malky knew he wasn't good enough? If so, then I shall repeat myself (or rather, copy and paste ). If Malky thought he wasn't up to standard, then why did Malky not get a replacement before the beginning of last season? And just because Malky plumped for Turner instead of him at the beginning of this season, does not constitute Malky believing that he wasn't up to scratch. If so, he should've got a new centre-half to sit on the bench, as Hudson would've been called upon to fill in whenever Turner/Caulker were injured/suspended.

As for your belief that Turner is 'brilliant in the tackle and blocks loads of shots from reaching the goal' (which is absolutely true, may I add - he really does put his body 'on the line'. He's one of the best I've seen in doing so), then the same can be said for Hudson (see Carling Cup final, 2012). For my money - and contrary to what you believe - Hudson can do whatever Turner can do.

By the way, it's 'fixture', not 'ficture'.

Well he obviously did know that he wasn't good enough as he didn't play him in any premier league games - a few of pundits also rated turner as being good for the premier league (no links available unfortunately but he was touted on sky sports before the season as a player to step up in premiership)

As to getting a replacement - I think Caulker was the replacement... he even wore the captains armband so not sure what you mean by that.

Turner is more efficient than Hudson in the tackle and putting his body on the line - he is a bigger presence and generally perfectly times his tackles, i think Hudson is less adept that turner at this and from Saturdays performance i think many would agree.

Both Turner & Hudson played in the Carling cup final and turner scored the equalizer so we can agree that they both played very well and argue that Turner also offers a bigger attacking threat.

Maybe to conclude this - it appears that they are both of similar quality but Turner has the edge which allows him to be more efficient in the premier league.

Also in the future please don't correct people on spelling errors - this is a football forum not an English exam and it is clear that in my previous post I mis-typed fixture. I enjoy debating footballing issues - but correcting people on spelling is juvenile, non constructive and really f*cking annoying

When turner plays medel should be making his open and screaming at him to give him the ball 5 yrds away each time. John terry can't pass water but made it to england captain, because he had a full back and holding midfielder who demanded the ball from him as soon as he got it.

Bloody hell! John Terry is more than decent with the ball at his feet...Granted he has wonderfully talented individuals around him to take responsibility, but never kid yourself that Terry can't play.

Problem with our guys at the back is they prefer to head the ball away when there is nobody around them instead of taking a step-back and controlling the ball on the chest, or trapping it........Huds was heading everything away without second thought that he could actually retain possession by getting the ball under control.

That is one of many differences betwwen our CB's and the Terry's of the footballing world

Can't see why people are getting so upset about this topic, as nobody is saying that he's shit or a donkey like other players have been labelled!

Whilst he has been very patient and probably deserves his chance, I personally thought it was a mistake to play him on the left yesterday, as I thought he looked as uncomfortable on the left, as Turner does in possession on too many occasions for my liking!

IMO, unless Caulker can play on the left alongside him, then I'd bring Turner back in, or better still, another centre back!

As leadership qualities have been brought up, I have to say that I only saw Bellamy show anything like the necessary qualities required in that department yesterday and I didn't see any leadership skills at the back at all!

I have no idea why Solskjær didn't play Caulker on the left, as you say. Maybe he'll rectify his mistake in time for Man City away. Let's face it, we need all the help we can get

I wouldn't argue if OGS picked Hudson to play on the right in the next match, even though I have my doubts that he's good enough at this level, but I think it'll be a mistake playing him on the left again and I still believe that we need better than both Hudson & Turner, someone who is gobby like you for example!

Can't see why people are getting so upset about this topic, as nobody is saying that he's shit or a donkey like other players have been labelled!

Whilst he has been very patient and probably deserves his chance, I personally thought it was a mistake to play him on the left yesterday, as I thought he looked as uncomfortable on the left, as Turner does in possession on too many occasions for my liking!

IMO, unless Caulker can play on the left alongside him, then I'd bring Turner back in, or better still, another centre back!

As leadership qualities have been brought up, I have to say that I only saw Bellamy show anything like the necessary qualities required in that department yesterday and I didn't see any leadership skills at the back at all!

I have no idea why Solskjær didn't play Caulker on the left, as you say. Maybe he'll rectify his mistake in time for Man City away. Let's face it, we need all the help we can get

I wouldn't argue if OGS picked Hudson to play on the right in the next match, even though I have my doubts that he's good enough at this level, but I think it'll be a mistake playing him on the left again and I still believe that we need better than both Hudson & Turner, someone who is gobby like you for example!

Obviously, when two right-footed centre-halves play together, the logical thing to do would be to put the more technically proficient (or the better footballer, if you like) one on the left. In this instance, that would be Caulker.

Cheers I take the point that we will probably need better than the both of them in future, but I think that they're both OK for now. Given that Hudson's last top-flight game was for Palace nearly nine years ago, and that he hadn't played with Caulker before Saturday, he clearly wasn't going to be at his very best.

I still think Turner is good enough. His passing can be improved, but his ability simply as a stopper is great. He's still relatively young.

When turner plays medel should be making his open and screaming at him to give him the ball 5 yrds away each time. John terry can't pass water but made it to england captain, because he had a full back and holding midfielder who demanded the ball from him as soon as he got it.

Bloody hell! John Terry is more than decent with the ball at his feet...Granted he has wonderfully talented individuals around him to take responsibility, but never kid yourself that Terry can't play.

Problem with our guys at the back is they prefer to head the ball away when there is nobody around them instead of taking a step-back and controlling the ball on the chest, or trapping it........Huds was heading everything away without second thought that he could actually retain possession by getting the ball under control.

That is one of many differences betwwen our CB's and the Terry's of the footballing world

Very true

Malky knew that he wasn't up to standard

I know Turner gets abuse on here for being a donkey and having awful distribution (he does have awful distribution) but he is brilliant in the tackle and blocks loads of shots from reaching the goal

I think we need to get another CB to replace him but turner can do the job fairly well - Hudson unfortunately cannot

Hope OGS puts turner back on the pitch for our next ficture

Malky knew he wasn't good enough? If so, then I shall repeat myself (or rather, copy and paste ). If Malky thought he wasn't up to standard, then why did Malky not get a replacement before the beginning of last season? And just because Malky plumped for Turner instead of him at the beginning of this season, does not constitute Malky believing that he wasn't up to scratch. If so, he should've got a new centre-half to sit on the bench, as Hudson would've been called upon to fill in whenever Turner/Caulker were injured/suspended.

As for your belief that Turner is 'brilliant in the tackle and blocks loads of shots from reaching the goal' (which is absolutely true, may I add - he really does put his body 'on the line'. He's one of the best I've seen in doing so), then the same can be said for Hudson (see Carling Cup final, 2012). For my money - and contrary to what you believe - Hudson can do whatever Turner can do.

By the way, it's 'fixture', not 'ficture'.

Well he obviously did know that he wasn't good enough as he didn't play him in any premier league games - a few of pundits also rated turner as being good for the premier league (no links available unfortunately but he was touted on sky sports before the season as a player to step up in premiership)

As to getting a replacement - I think Caulker was the replacement... he even wore the captains armband so not sure what you mean by that.

Turner is more efficient than Hudson in the tackle and putting his body on the line - he is a bigger presence and generally perfectly times his tackles, i think Hudson is less adept that turner at this and from Saturdays performance i think many would agree.

Both Turner & Hudson played in the Carling cup final and turner scored the equalizer so we can agree that they both played very well and argue that Turner also offers a bigger attacking threat.

Maybe to conclude this - it appears that they are both of similar quality but Turner has the edge which allows him to be more efficient in the premier league.

Also in the future please don't correct people on spelling errors - this is a football forum not an English exam and it is clear that in my previous post I mis-typed fixture. I enjoy debating footballing issues - but correcting people on spelling is juvenile, non constructive and really f*cking annoying

That's nonsense. Just because Malky selected Turner ahead of him doesn't mean he isn't good enough. He simply thought that Turner was the better bet at the time, which is fair enough - everyone has their own opinion. Furthermore, I don't think that Caulker was a replacement. The shoot-out for the place alongside Caulker was between Turner and Hudson, not Hudson and Caulker. I think that was clear at the time.

I think we must agree to disagree regarding the tackling stuff. If you look back at the Carling Cup final, it's clear that Hudson puts his body on the line just as much as Turner does - I lost count of the number of blocks he made during the game, especially during the first half. You're right though, they were both excellent in that game.

The goal that Turner scored in extra time was a tap-in, though - that's pretty clear. It isn't exactly difficult for anyone to score from about 2 yards out. Nevertheless, he did have to shake off Dirk Kuyt, as Kuyt did have some sort of hold of him at the back post. But I don't believe that Turner offers more of an attacking threat than Hudson - Hudson scored four goals last season, whilst Turner scored zero.

I believe the pair of them have it in them to perform at Premier League level - I'd say that the only area in which Turner has an advantage is that he's younger. Six years younger, to be precise.

Sorry that I took issue with the typo I do English language at Uni, so correcting people is an irritating habit of mine. People who know me can testify to that

Can't see why people are getting so upset about this topic, as nobody is saying that he's shit or a donkey like other players have been labelled!

Whilst he has been very patient and probably deserves his chance, I personally thought it was a mistake to play him on the left yesterday, as I thought he looked as uncomfortable on the left, as Turner does in possession on too many occasions for my liking!

IMO, unless Caulker can play on the left alongside him, then I'd bring Turner back in, or better still, another centre back!

As leadership qualities have been brought up, I have to say that I only saw Bellamy show anything like the necessary qualities required in that department yesterday and I didn't see any leadership skills at the back at all!

I have no idea why Solskjær didn't play Caulker on the left, as you say. Maybe he'll rectify his mistake in time for Man City away. Let's face it, we need all the help we can get

I wouldn't argue if OGS picked Hudson to play on the right in the next match, even though I have my doubts that he's good enough at this level, but I think it'll be a mistake playing him on the left again and I still believe that we need better than both Hudson & Turner, someone who is gobby like you for example!

Obviously, when two right-footed centre-halves play together, the logical thing to do would be to put the more technically proficient (or the better footballer, if you like) one on the left. In this instance, that would be Caulker.

Cheers I take the point that we will probably need better than the both of them in future, but I think that they're both OK for now. Given that Hudson's last top-flight game was for Palace nearly nine years ago, and that he hadn't played with Caulker before Saturday, he clearly wasn't going to be at his very best.

I still think Turner is good enough. His passing can be improved, but his ability simply as a stopper is great. He's still relatively young.

I had already made allowances for Hudson's lack of game time, but I certainly wouldn't pick him on the left side again!

I wouldn't complain if OGS chose him to play on the right and Caulker on the left at Man City, even though I believe that out of our current options, Turner is still the better option alongside Caulker for me!

I also still don't think that we have a natural leader at the back at this moment in time, one that is vocal and responds to developing dangers, by screaming at defenders like KTC on Saturday for example, when he clearly should have been goal side of Carlton Cole, even though Caulker and Hudson weren't marking anybody at the time and seemed oblivious to the danger themselves!