' OLE WILL LEARN '

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.

Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.

Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Steve, but every club on their first season in the Prem carry half the squad/team with Championship players, by the second season if your still up there,they are then nearly all gone.
The Championship and the Prem are miles apart, I said that last season, got shot down and some said were runaway Champions, so it would be no probs.

The first season, Uve just got to battle your way for 9 months just to stay out of relegation.

Not every promoted club spends 35m+ though Annis.

That was more than enough to address the jump in level.

Hull spent a third of that they just spent it mire shrewdly than we did

Always felt Steve Bruce would be the big difference between us and Hull. Even so Hull are still in the fight as much as us. You can say that for quite a number of clubs.

Next month with the new manager, his ideas and signings will be crucial if we are too survive. To me its a desperate situation that has to be taken. Quite disappointed it has turned out this way I honestly thought we would have been ok this season.

I felt that the second half was extremely promising. We played great football and if we count out all the time wasting West Ham did their posession of the ball is very low.

But it shines through that we need a Striker who has the natural instinct. All credit to the work Campbell puts down but he aint good enough. 136 matches in the PL and 33 goals is not good enough and he is 26 years now and not a talent anymore.
The shot he had got credited to Adrian for a good save but infact it was a poor finish right on the keeper in my eyes.

I liked the aggressive style of play and i feel tha tactical changes was excellent. He took off Hudson and threw in another striker to make sure we gave it all we had to get a point or three.
Some will feel it was a bad desicion and that we should kept the score at 0-1 and hoped for 1-1 instead of 0-2 but when it comes to the end of the season only bad luck makes you relegated by goal difference.

If we keep playing football like we did in the second half and get some good signings now in january i hope we can see what we have coming for the future.

Just want to add that Fergie called Ole the sharpest striker he had ever had so hopefully he can get Cornelius to shine.I just cant believe that we spent 8mill on him if he aint got talent to play in the PL at all. Time will tell.

I have a good felling atleast and dissapointed about the loss but satisfied with how we showed ourselfes in the second half.

Hull are still in it yes anyone from 10th down.is atvthe moment but theyve given themselves a far better chance than we have.

They scored 50% more goals than we have and conceded 25% less.

Hull are still in it yes anyone from 10th down.is atvthe moment but theyve given themselves a far better chance than we have.

They scored 50% more goals than we have and conceded 25% less.

Yes that is the frightening part of it all.

It does feel we are now in a desperate situation.

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.

Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.

Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Steve, but every club on their first season in the Prem carry half the squad/team with Championship players, by the second season if your still up there,they are then nearly all gone.
The Championship and the Prem are miles apart, I said that last season, got shot down and some said were runaway Champions, so it would be no probs.

The first season, Uve just got to battle your way for 9 months just to stay out of relegation.

Not every promoted club spends 35m+ though Annis.

That was more than enough to address the jump in level.

Hull spent a third of that they just spent it mire shrewdly than we did

Always felt Steve Bruce would be the big difference between us and Hull. Even so Hull are still in the fight as much as us. You can say that for quite a number of clubs.

Next month with the new manager, his ideas and signings will be crucial if we are too survive. To me its a desperate situation that has to be taken. Quite disappointed it has turned out this way I honestly thought we would have been ok this season.

A lot of us thought the same, specially after the first Summer signings,,,,,but there lies our problems now, & the pigeons have come home to roost. Its was poor succession planning from the very start of our new (Premiership) pre season, which showed up Malky Mackays total lack of management experience at this level, & also a total lack of general football experience from most of the board of directors.

Were playing catch up now, & come May 11 after our final game it will be the "night of the long knives".

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.

Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.

Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Steve, but every club on their first season in the Prem carry half the squad/team with Championship players, by the second season if your still up there,they are then nearly all gone.
The Championship and the Prem are miles apart, I said that last season, got shot down and some said were runaway Champions, so it would be no probs.

The first season, Uve just got to battle your way for 9 months just to stay out of relegation.

Come on Annis, you were one of the most vocal in supporting everything that Malky did, there were many on here last year saying that the squad was not good enough last year in the Championship, that we had no flair etc. You and I agreed that Malkys strong point was that his team never loses two or three in a row, when we got a bad result he turned it around, the next game and ground out a draw or win. However, that consistency never convinced most supporters that we had Premiership class players. We needed to bring in at least 6-8 players who would walk into the first team, that was the task in hand. We ended up with Caulker, KC and Medel and some games this season, the only change from last year has been Caulker, we even gave new contracts to Rudy and McNaughton, who are lower level Championship players at best.
You are just being blinkered and cannot see how badly Malky and Moody have performed in the transfer market, especially considering that we had months before any of the other promoted clubs to get those players in place.

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.

Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.

Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Steve, but every club on their first season in the Prem carry half the squad/team with Championship players, by the second season if your still up there,they are then nearly all gone.
The Championship and the Prem are miles apart, I said that last season, got shot down and some said were runaway Champions, so it would be no probs.

The first season, Uve just got to battle your way for 9 months just to stay out of relegation.

Come on Annis, you were one of the most vocal in supporting everything that Malky did, there were many on here last year saying that the squad was not good enough last year in the Championship, that we had no flair etc. You and I agreed that Malkys strong point was that his team never loses two or three in a row, when we got a bad result he turned it around, the next game and ground out a draw or win. However, that consistency never convinced most supporters that we had Premiership class players. We needed to bring in at least 6-8 players who would walk into the first team, that was the task in hand. We ended up with Caulker, KC and Medel and some games this season, the only change from last year has been Caulker, we even gave new contracts to Rudy and McNaughton, who are lower level Championship players at best.
You are just being blinkered and cannot see how badly Malky and Moody have performed in the transfer market, especially considering that we had months before any of the other promoted clubs to get those players in place.

My point exactly. The succession planning for the new Premiership season was little more than pathetic, while at the same time we were being told by MM & our club that plans & were already in place for the new coming season.

I've said it for months and will say it again, whittingham is a championship player, and he's out biggest reason we are struggling, he's supposed to be our playmaker, the guy who creates plenty of chances for Frazier, whitts just ain't doing it, because he's not good enough at this level. We need a premiership version of whittingham if you get what I mean. Hopefully one of the new boys is out answer.

Ive said it for over a year, but got shot down every time. Whitts goes missing and may as well not be on the pitch, on his day he can be class, but thats one in 15 games.

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.

Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.

Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Steve, but every club on their first season in the Prem carry half the squad/team with Championship players, by the second season if your still up there,they are then nearly all gone.
The Championship and the Prem are miles apart, I said that last season, got shot down and some said were runaway Champions, so it would be no probs.

The first season, Uve just got to battle your way for 9 months just to stay out of relegation.

Not every promoted club spends 35m+ though Annis.

That was more than enough to address the jump in level.

Hull spent a third of that they just spent it mire shrewdly than we did

Chris,
But under Malky we were never going down, especially if the Dictator had left him alone, now we will never know.

Maybe Tan was justified in getting rid of Moody ?
We are now expecting him to provide another shed full of cash to finance OGS team.

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.

Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.

Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Steve, but every club on their first season in the Prem carry half the squad/team with Championship players, by the second season if your still up there,they are then nearly all gone.
The Championship and the Prem are miles apart, I said that last season, got shot down and some said were runaway Champions, so it would be no probs.

The first season, Uve just got to battle your way for 9 months just to stay out of relegation.

Come on Annis, you were one of the most vocal in supporting everything that Malky did, there were many on here last year saying that the squad was not good enough last year in the Championship, that we had no flair etc. You and I agreed that Malkys strong point was that his team never loses two or three in a row, when we got a bad result he turned it around, the next game and ground out a draw or win. However, that consistency never convinced most supporters that we had Premiership class players. We needed to bring in at least 6-8 players who would walk into the first team, that was the task in hand. We ended up with Caulker, KC and Medel and some games this season, the only change from last year has been Caulker, we even gave new contracts to Rudy and McNaughton, who are lower level Championship players at best.
You are just being blinkered and cannot see how badly Malky and Moody have performed in the transfer market, especially considering that we had months before any of the other promoted clubs to get those players in place.

I have not changed my view, Malky would of got his Championship and new players to have fought their way out of any drop,
I dont understand why he gave them new contracts, I dont understand why Malky signed Cornelius, but I honestly believe if Malky would of been left alone, we would of stayed up without a doubt. Now we will never know.

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.
Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.
Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Steve, but every club on their first season in the Prem carry half the squad/team with Championship players, by the second season if your still up there,they are then nearly all gone.
The Championship and the Prem are miles apart, I said that last season, got shot down and some said were runaway Champions, so it would be no probs.
The first season, Uve just got to battle your way for 9 months just to stay out of relegation.

Not every promoted club spends 35m+ though Annis.
That was more than enough to address the jump in level.
Hull spent a third of that they just spent it mire shrewdly than we did

Chris,
But under Malky we were never going down, especially if the Dictator had left him alone, now we will never know.

totally disagree. Malky was in free fall.

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.

Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.

Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Steve, but every club on their first season in the Prem carry half the squad/team with Championship players, by the second season if your still up there,they are then nearly all gone.
The Championship and the Prem are miles apart, I said that last season, got shot down and some said were runaway Champions, so it would be no probs.

The first season, Uve just got to battle your way for 9 months just to stay out of relegation.

Not every promoted club spends 35m+ though Annis.

That was more than enough to address the jump in level.

Hull spent a third of that they just spent it mire shrewdly than we did

Chris,
But under Malky we were never going down, especially if the Dictator had left him alone, now we will never know.

I'm not sure how you can say that Annis , but I guess we will never know now.
I have total respect fo Malky as a person, but it's looking more apparent by the week we squanded a lot of cash on players that could really hurt this club should we go down.

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.

Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.

Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Steve, but every club on their first season in the Prem carry half the squad/team with Championship players, by the second season if your still up there,they are then nearly all gone.
The Championship and the Prem are miles apart, I said that last season, got shot down and some said were runaway Champions, so it would be no probs.

The first season, Uve just got to battle your way for 9 months just to stay out of relegation.

Not every promoted club spends 35m+ though Annis.

That was more than enough to address the jump in level.

Hull spent a third of that they just spent it mire shrewdly than we did

Chris,
But under Malky we were never going down, especially if the Dictator had left him alone, now we will never know.

I'm not sure how you can say that Annis , but I guess we will never know now.
I have total respect fo Malky as a person, but it's looking more apparent by the week we squanded a lot of cash on players that could really hurt this club should we go down.

Malky has wasted a lot of money, so do many Prem managers, but if we go down and are in shit creek over finances, only one person to blame without a doubt Dictator Vincent Tan.

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.

Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.

Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Steve, but every club on their first season in the Prem carry half the squad/team with Championship players, by the second season if your still up there,they are then nearly all gone.
The Championship and the Prem are miles apart, I said that last season, got shot down and some said were runaway Champions, so it would be no probs.

The first season, Uve just got to battle your way for 9 months just to stay out of relegation.

Not every promoted club spends 35m+ though Annis.

That was more than enough to address the jump in level.

Hull spent a third of that they just spent it mire shrewdly than we did

Chris,
But under Malky we were never going down, especially if the Dictator had left him alone, now we will never know.

I'm not sure how you can say that Annis , but I guess we will never know now.
I have total respect fo Malky as a person, but it's looking more apparent by the week we squanded a lot of cash on players that could really hurt this club should we go down.

Malky has wasted a lot of money, so do many Prem managers, but if we go down and are in shit creek over finances, only one person to blame without a doubt Dictator Vincent Tan.

I dont know what game you were watching Carl if you thought Campbell was isolated.

We had plenty forward in support, and if anything Odemwingie was almost a 2nd striker 1st half he was that high up the pitch.

This ^^^

Also agree that this slide we are on was set in motion under MM and Ole has his work cut out to halt it. To say we would have done any different under MM is laughable as IMO we were certainly going down with a whimper under him.

The gutting thing for me is what Ole could have done with the £11m MM / Moody pissed away on Cornelius / Brayford. He has a lot to learn yet if he's to become a good PL manager, I just hope Ole learns quicker.

I think OLE already knows which players have the ability to play in the style he wants us to play and he also knows which players he can TRUST. In my opinion the lacklustre first half performance of our midfield 5 yesterday will have told him everything about the challenge that faces him in the coming months.

I have been one of the most vocal supporters of Peter Whittingham but first half yesterday he hardly completed a pass that wasn't sent back to either Caulker or Hudson and we need far more than that to justify his place in the team. At this moment not even his set piece delivery is that good with the majority either over or under hit. Do not misunderstand me when Whitts is on his game his passing, crossing or shooting is top notch but right now it's a long way from that.

Not that Whitts alone was the problem yesterday because KIM made some poor decisions first half and kept being either caught in possession or running down cul de sacs. I'm not sure what Odemwingie brings to the team and it was no surprise when he was taken off. Medal gives plenty of effort but his passing was all over the place yesterday and again for me there was no surprise when he was taken off. Noone always creates excitement with his direct style but he repeatedly took on one West Ham player too many yesterday, but at least he was having a go.

For me Bellamy changed the game for us as from the first moment he was driving us onto the front foot and he dragged the rest of the midfield with him. Replacing Medal with Eikrem also gave us a idea about how he will fit into the team, always looking for the ball, clam when he got it, looking to move the ball forward and he even got Whitts involved and playing the ball forward.

Daelhi signed yesterday and he is going to be another player who will get us playing on the front foot, it sounds like Diouf or Zaha will be signing on Monday so I'm expecting to see a much changed team by the time of our next home game against Norwich.

In my opinion what OLE needs to understand, and I think he already does, in which players in our squad he can trust.

I think OLE already knows which players have the ability to play in the style he wants us to play and he also knows which players he can TRUST. In my opinion the lacklustre first half performance of our midfield 5 yesterday will have told him everything about the challenge that faces him in the coming months.

I have been one of the most vocal supporters of Peter Whittingham but first half yesterday he hardly completed a pass that wasn't sent back to either Caulker or Hudson and we need far more than that to justify his place in the team. At this moment not even his set piece delivery is that good with the majority either over or under hit. Do not misunderstand me when Whitts is on his game his passing, crossing or shooting is top notch but right now it's a long way from that.

Not that Whitts alone was the problem yesterday because KIM made some poor decisions first half and kept being either caught in possession or running down cul de sacs. I'm not sure what Odemwingie brings to the team and it was no surprise when he was taken off. Medal gives plenty of effort but his passing was all over the place yesterday and again for me there was no surprise when he was taken off. Noone always creates excitement with his direct style but he repeatedly took on one West Ham player too many yesterday, but at least he was having a go.

For me Bellamy changed the game for us as from the first moment he was driving us onto the front foot and he dragged the rest of the midfield with him. Replacing Medal with Eikrem also gave us a idea about how he will fit into the team, always looking for the ball, clam when he got it, looking to move the ball forward and he even got Whitts involved and playing the ball forward.

Daelhi signed yesterday and he is going to be another player who will get us playing on the front foot, it sounds like Diouf or Zaha will be signing on Monday so I'm expecting to see a much changed team by the time of our next home game against Norwich.

In my opinion what OLE needs to understand, and I think he already does, in which players in our squad he can trust.

The gulf in class between the championship and the Prem really hit home to me after watching our home game against Everton where we chased shadows for most part of the 90 minutes.
Our commitment and effort could not be faulted but it quickly became apparent that creating chances would be limited in this division. Giving the ball away is almost a crime in this division.

Ole you have to remember is still learning about what players do what.
we looked nervous on the first 20 which is normal when playing for a new manager at home.

Second half we deserved some goals, on another day the shots we fired at the goalie would have gone in so I take some positives from that second half.

we missed jordan mutch massively yesterday.

ole will get it right

carl

I felt that the second half was extremely promising. We played great football and if we count out all the time wasting West Ham did their posession of the ball is very low.

But it shines through that we need a Striker who has the natural instinct. All credit to the work Campbell puts down but he aint good enough. 136 matches in the PL and 33 goals is not good enough and he is 26 years now and not a talent anymore.
The shot he had got credited to Adrian for a good save but infact it was a poor finish right on the keeper in my eyes.

I liked the aggressive style of play and i feel tha tactical changes was excellent. He took off Hudson and threw in another striker to make sure we gave it all we had to get a point or three.
Some will feel it was a bad desicion and that we should kept the score at 0-1 and hoped for 1-1 instead of 0-2 but when it comes to the end of the season only bad luck makes you relegated by goal difference.

If we keep playing football like we did in the second half and get some good signings now in january i hope we can see what we have coming for the future.

Just want to add that Fergie called Ole the sharpest striker he had ever had so hopefully he can get Cornelius to shine.I just cant believe that we spent 8mill on him if he aint got talent to play in the PL at all. Time will tell.

I have a good felling atleast and dissapointed about the loss but satisfied with how we showed ourselfes in the second half.

Excellent post!

Just want to add some.
Looking at Campbell,I really like what I have seen so far.26 years old is no age for a football player in my opinion.He even have lets say normally 4-5 years still to improve just his physical strenghts.Intelligence in the way of moving,striking the ball,confidence,precision,aso are all skills that in my view any human being can improve for almost their whole life.
I have a feeling that Campbell is going to learn a lot from Ole,and so far I see Campbell as having a potential to become a really good striker. In my mind there is no doubt he has the ability to improve a lot as a striker if he wants to.

It has been talked about Mame Biram Diouf as a potential signing,and in his last season in Norwegian tippeliga he did in my opinion stand ut.So if Ole feels that Diouf is a guy who is willing to work hard to develop himself and give 100% for the club,and he might be signed for around £2m as I read somewhere,I think that could be a potential brilliant signing for the Bluebirds.

I also felt a little nervous watching the defense yesterday,but it is very hard to say anything smart after seen 1 game.I might not say anything smart ever ,but if Ole knows someone who can come in as a really solid intelligent centre-back I think that is something that would be good for the Bluebirds.

We haven't got the time for our manager to 'learn on the job'

Fucked we are

I dont know what game you were watching Carl if you thought Campbell was isolated.

We had plenty forward in support, and if anything Odemwingie was almost a 2nd striker 1st half he was that high up the pitch.

I agree second half we bossed it and although not a fan CB39 was behind it driving us on. We just missed that killer pass with all the possession.

1st half performance and conceding first killed us.

It was fine to play Whittingham whilst we were scoring from every other of his corners or free kicks earlier in the season... We haven't benefitted from those for ages so it's time to drop him as he offer little else. He skinned a couple of players yesterday so showed he has the skill but seems a bit lazy/lethargic... Not good enough at this level... I think Eikrem will take his place soon enough

It was fine to play Whittingham whilst we were scoring from every other of his corners or free kicks earlier in the season... We haven't benefitted from those for ages so it's time to drop him as he offer little else. He skinned a couple of players yesterday so showed he has the skill but seems a bit lazy/lethargic... Not good enough at this level... I think Eikrem will take his place soon enough

This happened with Whitts last season hence why he ended up on the bench.

Last season he had the chance to comeback. This season and with Ole in charge I've got a feeling he won't make that comeback.

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.

Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.

Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Steve, but every club on their first season in the Prem carry half the squad/team with Championship players, by the second season if your still up there,they are then nearly all gone.
The Championship and the Prem are miles apart, I said that last season, got shot down and some said were runaway Champions, so it would be no probs.

The first season, Uve just got to battle your way for 9 months just to stay out of relegation.

In fairness, 3 years on and we still have Rangel, Williams, Taylor, Britton, Davies and Dyer playing regularly for us.

I wasnt being biased when I got slated heavily amd accused of trolling - for saying we had a better squad on promotion than you did and I think this is testament to that. Our nucleus of our side is still the same as our championship side and I cant even remember the last time I felt we were genuinely in a relegation scrap... And that lot cost us 950k combined

RoathMagic, you should know how that feeling is right now. Your Premier league form is in free fall and you are only 3 points off the drop. Of course, you will try and talk your way out of it, but as Mario Polotelli says, you're Pinocchio.

RoathMagic, you should know how that feeling is right now. Your Premier league form is in free fall and you are only 3 points off the drop. Of course, you will try and talk your way out of it, but as Mario Polotelli says, you're Pinocchio.

I don't have that feeling at all, disney character or not.

It takes most of the teams below us a month to get 3 points so being 3 points ahead, a superior goal difference and superior squad is looking good.

If i felt we were in a dogfight id have absolutely no issues in saying it. But i dont.

3 points off relegation Roathie & you're bottom of the form table? Hardly "looking good" is it?



We are just as bad mind.

I'd say you need to strengthen just as badly as we do to be honest.

I would hardly say a team that is bottom of the form table and only 3 points off the relegation zone is looking good, RoathMagic, then again, you are known for lying Pinocchio.

Yep i think its certainly looking good. We are 13th and more than a months worth of points ahead of the relegation zone, not to mention those teams inbetween.

Being bottom of the form table doesn't really mean much though does it. Sunderland are 9th in the form table, they wont finish anywhere near 9th. We have had a tricky set of 6 games, it would be far more accurate to look at the 21 played surely? Why does form only extend to 6 games?