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Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:19 am

Forever Blue wrote:“Administration doesn’t include players’ wages so why the hell have they gone up from £7m to £15m?

every time ive ever read football accounts..........my head goes....they never seem to make sense...........a 13mil rise in cost of sales.......what the f does that mean.....we sell tickets mainly............and as you say admin..a rise of 8million.......not 8million, RISE of 8 million............i have failed to see sense in past but this is mind blowing..

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:29 am

Barry Chuckle wrote:
jackf wrote:Agreed but despite three seasons worth of injuries and the extra demands of ten more games all over Europe we are still above you at present and will be come may. Differnce is we are making a profit and aren't 118,000,000 in debt. Oh and have a trophy in the cabinet and the wonderful experience of seeing my side win away in Europe at a giant of the European game. Not bad for little old swansea. Oh and whats even better we didnt drop our trousers to a mad man and sellout to a control freak. Our very existance isn't in the hands of a foreign control freak who knows f**k all about football. So you'll excuse me if I think our achievements have put you in our shadows.


Extra demand? But you were all over this site a few months ago, going on about your squad depth etc... So that excuse doesn't ring true for me sadly.

Giant of the European game? :lol: :lol:

Achievements? You've done nothing that we haven't done, except win the "Mickey mouse" cup... Something your fans belittled like crazy when we got to the final of it.

:laughing6:

Must have missed your wins at Stamford Bridge, the emirates, old trafford, anfield, your top ten finish, your promotion two years earlier, your European qualification and your record profits. Also missed the worldwide praise for the quality of football and your players getting capped by spain and holland. I admit we didn't achieve a rebrand or have our chairman go begging around the far east. We haven't achieved record losses or topped the 100m in debt.

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:39 am

jacket wrote:Looks very much like those high court writs will be raising there ugly heads again and Mr Tan laughing at them from Malaysia. :laughing6:


:roll: :oops:

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:42 am

jackf wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Always someone worse off than you? Try Bolton! ! And they are not in premier? :lol:

You lot are quickly catching them. £118,000,000 incredible to think you have spent so much and yet still sit in our shadow.


Yeah by a whopping 3 pts. And who won the derby :laughing6:

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:44 am

murphy wrote:
jackf wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Always someone worse off than you? Try Bolton! ! And they are not in premier? :lol:

You lot are quickly catching them. £118,000,000 incredible to think you have spent so much and yet still sit in our shadow.


Yeah by a whopping 3 pts. And who won the derby :laughing6:


So that was worth £118m and you're still behind us?

Deary me Smurf :laughing6:

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:46 am

jackf wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:
jackf wrote:Agreed but despite three seasons worth of injuries and the extra demands of ten more games all over Europe we are still above you at present and will be come may. Differnce is we are making a profit and aren't 118,000,000 in debt. Oh and have a trophy in the cabinet and the wonderful experience of seeing my side win away in Europe at a giant of the European game. Not bad for little old swansea. Oh and whats even better we didnt drop our trousers to a mad man and sellout to a control freak. Our very existance isn't in the hands of a foreign control freak who knows f**k all about football. So you'll excuse me if I think our achievements have put you in our shadows.


Extra demand? But you were all over this site a few months ago, going on about your squad depth etc... So that excuse doesn't ring true for me sadly.

Giant of the European game? :lol: :lol:

Achievements? You've done nothing that we haven't done, except win the "Mickey mouse" cup... Something your fans belittled like crazy when we got to the final of it.

:laughing6:

Must have missed your wins at Stamford Bridge, the emirates, old trafford, anfield, your top ten finish, your promotion two years earlier, your European qualification and your record profits. Also missed the worldwide praise for the quality of football and your players getting capped by spain and holland. I admit we didn't achieve a rebrand or have our chairman go begging around the far east. We haven't achieved record losses or topped the 100m in debt.


:thumbright:

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:55 am

jackf wrote: Must have missed your wins at Stamford Bridge, the emirates, old trafford, anfield, your top ten finish, your promotion two years earlier, your European qualification and your record profits. Also missed the worldwide praise for the quality of football and your players getting capped by spain and holland. I admit we didn't achieve a rebrand or have our chairman go begging around the far east. We haven't achieved record losses or topped the 100m in debt.


& despite all this wonderful stuff, you're still only 3 points in front of us & lost to us last time out. That points gap could be even smaller come tomorrow.

As I've already said, we are a lot closer than you lot dare to admit.

:thumbright:

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:56 am

jacket wrote:Looks very much like those high court writs will be raising there ugly heads again and Mr Tan laughing at them from Malaysia. :laughing6:



i think tans ambition is a lot bigger than a little club like swansea..

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:56 am

jacket wrote:Looks very much like those high court writs will be raising there ugly heads again and Mr Tan laughing at them from Malaysia. :laughing6:



i think tans ambition is a lot bigger than a little club like swansea..

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:11 am

Barry Chuckle wrote:
jackf wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Always someone worse off than you? Try Bolton! ! And they are not in premier? :lol:

You lot are quickly catching them. £118,000,000 incredible to think you have spent so much and yet still sit in our shadow.



:lol: :lol: :lol: despite having a two year head start, were right behind you & beat you in the first game played between the sides.

You lot seem to think you're a lot better than you are. :laughing6:


Come back and gloat when you have won at The Emirates, Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford, Villa Park, St James' Park, Valencia and Anfield just like us. :lol: :wave: :laughing6:

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:18 am

That is insane debt levels for a club not guaranteed to be in the Prem next year.

That doesnt even include the £100m spend on players and wages this year :shock:

They are all seemingly on long contracts too meaning if relegated these costs arent going to go down yet the income will reduce by 70%.

This is clear evidence the rebrand was not accepted for "financial security" as your in bigger debt than ever before and nobody gives a stuff - in fact got pissed off that Tan wasnt going to spend more than the £50m already on players. :lol:

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:21 am

bloo wrote:
Come back and gloat when you have won at The Emirates, Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford, Villa Park, St James' Park, Valencia and Anfield just like us. :lol: :wave: :laughing6:


Come back when you've won at the CCS in the Prem. :lol: :wave:

My point still stands - for all your glory years in the prem, ahead of us, we've come along and closed the gap considerably. You even lost to us. :thumbright: :thumbright:

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:22 am

bloo wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:
jackf wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Always someone worse off than you? Try Bolton! ! And they are not in premier? :lol:

You lot are quickly catching them. £118,000,000 incredible to think you have spent so much and yet still sit in our shadow.



:lol: :lol: :lol: despite having a two year head start, were right behind you & beat you in the first game played between the sides.

You lot seem to think you're a lot better than you are. :laughing6:


Come back and gloat when you have won at The Emirates, Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford, Villa Park, St James' Park, Valencia and Anfield just like us. :lol: :wave: :laughing6:


dont think we have played valencia.........and deffo not won at emirates..........but the rest yes.........many times.
you didnt INVENT top flight football you know, youve stumbled across it as tourists

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:26 am

soulofthesea wrote:
bloo wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:
jackf wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Always someone worse off than you? Try Bolton! ! And they are not in premier? :lol:

You lot are quickly catching them. £118,000,000 incredible to think you have spent so much and yet still sit in our shadow.



:lol: :lol: :lol: despite having a two year head start, were right behind you & beat you in the first game played between the sides.

You lot seem to think you're a lot better than you are. :laughing6:


Come back and gloat when you have won at The Emirates, Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford, Villa Park, St James' Park, Valencia and Anfield just like us. :lol: :wave: :laughing6:


dont think we have played valencia.........and deffo not won at emirates..........but the rest yes.........many times.
you didnt INVENT top flight football you know, youve stumbled across it as tourists


Did you enjoy those games?

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:37 am

NJ73 wrote:
soulofthesea wrote:
bloo wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:
jackf wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Always someone worse off than you? Try Bolton! ! And they are not in premier? :lol:

You lot are quickly catching them. £118,000,000 incredible to think you have spent so much and yet still sit in our shadow.



:lol: :lol: :lol: despite having a two year head start, were right behind you & beat you in the first game played between the sides.

You lot seem to think you're a lot better than you are. :laughing6:


Come back and gloat when you have won at The Emirates, Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford, Villa Park, St James' Park, Valencia and Anfield just like us. :lol: :wave: :laughing6:


dont think we have played valencia.........and deffo not won at emirates..........but the rest yes.........many times.
you didnt INVENT top flight football you know, youve stumbled across it as tourists


Did you enjoy those games?

merely pointing out.that just because it was your 1st ever win at old traford it doesnt mean others havent achieved it.
i didnt see our 5 nil win over you in 65 either,i only know about it because you put a statue up to honour it.
id love to know what the evening post made of it..........Allchurch and Charles ruin Town?. ..

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:06 am

It would be interesting to see what admin expenses Tan allocates to the club vs his other ventures. Maybe his plane trips every week?

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:01 am

litoblues wrote:30 mill less sam = 8 mill loss including 35 mill transfers=not too bad


This was my initial thoughts

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:06 am

It's only money

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:10 am

Gavin wrote:
litoblues wrote:30 mill less sam = 8 mill loss including 35 mill transfers=not too bad


This was my initial thoughts


It doesnt count the £35m (actually £50m) or the increase in annual wages to about £40m per year. This was all prior to the start of the premiership season... It will now be undoubtedly worse.

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:59 am

Wait till this seasons come out with what's been put out untill that point, never mind tans converting soon fans :lol:

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:06 am

Barry Chuckle wrote:
jackf wrote: Must have missed your wins at Stamford Bridge, the emirates, old trafford, anfield, your top ten finish, your promotion two years earlier, your European qualification and your record profits. Also missed the worldwide praise for the quality of football and your players getting capped by spain and holland. I admit we didn't achieve a rebrand or have our chairman go begging around the far east. We haven't achieved record losses or topped the 100m in debt.


& despite all this wonderful stuff, you're still only 3 points in front of us & lost to us last time out. That points gap could be even smaller come tomorrow.

As I've already said, we are a lot closer than you lot dare to admit.

:thumbright:

Another way to look at it and to be fair the way most sane people would look at it would be Swansea have achieved all this and arent 118,000,000 in debt and are still doing better than you in the league. Despite being a much smaller city with a much smaller stadium and not being bankrolled by a madman.
fans of 91 out of 92 clubs would easily see which club is going places and which one is on the brink.

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:22 am

To all the jacks in here please do not expect the newest figures to sink in to all city fans brains when in the real world a fan like me can see the truth and it will be worse next season when they come out clearly as facts do not lie, plus they are there for all to see its just some city fans choose to sweep them under the carpet and try reverse whats going on with " your the village side down the road " or " tan will convert soon " even though we are in the third season of the rebrand :roll: ..... Its called keeping it real and im one of a few on here who do that :thumbup:

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:26 am

Bluebird1977 wrote:To all the jacks in here please do not expect the newest figures to sink in to all city fans brains when in the real world a fan like me can see the truth and it will be worse next season when they come out clearly as facts do not lie, plus they are there for all to see its just some city fans choose to sweep them under the carpet and try reverse whats going on with " your the village side down the road " or " tan will convert soon " even though we are in the third season of the rebrand :roll: ..... Its called keeping it real and im one of a few on here who do that :thumbup:

At last another sane one.

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:32 am

jackf wrote:
Bluebird1977 wrote:To all the jacks in here please do not expect the newest figures to sink in to all city fans brains when in the real world a fan like me can see the truth and it will be worse next season when they come out clearly as facts do not lie, plus they are there for all to see its just some city fans choose to sweep them under the carpet and try reverse whats going on with " your the village side down the road " or " tan will convert soon " even though we are in the third season of the rebrand :roll: ..... Its called keeping it real and im one of a few on here who do that :thumbup:

At last another sane one.

Dont know about sane :laughing6: im just keeping it real as THIS IS WHAT IT IS at the moment at our club.

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:06 am

Got to laugh at the 2 years head start thing.
Have u not forgot the head start u had on us when we were playing hull to stay in the football league wile u were in the champ pushing for the prem.
And all them ex super stars parading around your pitch slapping there heads.
You have had very few injuries so far wile we have had many, we have played 10 more games then u yet u still think u aint far behind us.
Newcastle last year liverpool the year before, all struggled with massive squads.
The fact we are still above u and still in Europe just goes to show how far ahead of u we are.
You won your cup final and fair play to u, but lets face it we looked at u like a walk in the park as we would with crawley town in the fa cup.
You can butter it up to suit u all u like, the facts are we are the capital of welsh sport and in football the team everyone likes to watch.

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:14 am

Got to laugh at the 2 years head start thing.
Have u not forgot the head start u had on us when we were playing hull to stay in the football league wile u were in the champ pushing for the prem.
And all them ex super stars parading around your pitch slapping there heads.
You have had very few injuries so far wile we have had many, we have played 10 more games then u yet u still think u aint far behind us.
Newcastle last year liverpool the year before, all struggled with massive squads.
The fact we are still above u and still in Europe just goes to show how far ahead of u we are.
You won your cup final and fair play to u, but lets face it we looked at u like a walk in the park as we would with crawley town in the fa cup.
You can butter it up to suit u all u like, the facts are we are the capital of welsh sport and in football the team everyone likes to watch.

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:17 am

swansealad69 wrote:Got to laugh at the 2 years head start thing.
Have u not forgot the head start u had on us when we were playing hull to stay in the football league wile u were in the champ pushing for the prem.
And all them ex super stars parading around your pitch slapping there heads.
You have had very few injuries so far wile we have had many, we have played 10 more games then u yet u still think u aint far behind us.
Newcastle last year liverpool the year before, all struggled with massive squads.
The fact we are still above u and still in Europe just goes to show how far ahead of u we are.
You won your cup final and fair play to u, but lets face it we looked at u like a walk in the park as we would with crawley town in the fa cup.
You can butter it up to suit u all u like, the facts are we are the capital of welsh sport and in football the team everyone likes to watch.


We aren't. 3 points, not far at all. It's closer than you dare imagine. It's also a distinct possibility that we could be even closer by tonight. :lol:

We haven't won any cup final - although it does make me laugh that you like to call the derby that. Does the derby not matter to you then? If so, why have you got so many posts on this forum?

Capital of Welsh sport? Don't be so ridiculous. :laughing5:

So far ahead, yet still lost to us. :thumbup:

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:20 am

Lets all chase out Tan then :roll:

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:26 am

Barry beating us was all that mattered to many on here .
It can be seen clearly by the way when they get stuck in a debate and vome back with 1.0 lol.
As for capital of sport in wales, who do u suggest the claim should go to.
Please on gods creation dont say u.

Re: CITY DEBT REACHES £118M WITH £66M OWED TO TAN

Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:29 am

swansealad69 wrote:Barry beating us was all that mattered to many on here .
It can be seen clearly by the way when they get stuck in a debate and vome back with 1.0 lol.
As for capital of sport in wales, who do u suggest the claim should go to.
Please on gods creation dont say u.


Of course & it will matter to you lot next month too. Wouldn't want Cardiff to do the first double, would you? :laughing6:

Well, as for the capital of sport, surely the fact that the two most followed sports in Wales (Rugby, football) are both based in Cardiff, both national teams are based in Cardiff (bigger stadia) I'd suggest that Cardiff were. The biggest football club is also here & it's playing top flight football. All Swansea have is a secondary cup competition, which not even the residents of Swansea are that bothered with, judging by attendances, so why the hell should anyone else in Wales care? :lol:

Your two years in the spotlight have gone. You're in as much of a struggle as us & lost the first premiership derby - with all those people watching.

Must have hurt. :laughing6: