a genuine challenge to all the so called 'fans leaders'

There was a little bit in your post for chuckles,WANNABE FANS LEADER. .

Fair play, you don't half talk some shit. there are NO fan leaders. Nobody leads me and decides what opinion I have & I certainly have no desire to be one of these. I'm quite happy voicing my opinion for myself and nobody else.

A very good and truthful read one which I must agree with 100 percent. Thank you for the time passion and effort you obviously feel for our beloved football club. ..

Good post you Scouse b*stard

I dont renember posting that, sounds tongue in cheek but if thats the reason you are not posting stop being a soppy bollocks and start posting again.

I myself am on a sabbatical from the forum. To many two faced hypocrites on here.
Ive been slaughtered for months for having a go at Malky yet low and behold people are now agreeing with what I have been saying all along.

Nice guy but out of his depth at this level and the way he spent his budget in the summer its no wonder VT said "No More!"

That plus Adam Brown clogging the forum with his crack cocaine fuelled nonsense.

Anyway, as you were, Im off to enjoy my sabbatical until the hysteria settles.

Good post you Scouse b*stard

I dont renember posting that, sounds tongue in cheek but if thats the reason you are not posting stop being a soppy bollocks and start posting again.

I myself am on a sabbatical from the forum. To many two faced hypocrites on here.
Ive been slaughtered for months for having a go at Malky yet low and behold people are now agreeing with what I have been saying all along.

Nice guy but out of his depth at this level and the way he spent his budget in the summer its no wonder VT said "No More!"

That plus Adam Brown clogging the forum with his crack cocaine fuelled nonsense.

Anyway, as you were, Im off to enjoy my sabbatical until the hysteria settles.

Thought you would enjoy this one.

Think you will find it a bit different now on here so see you later on tonight most likely.

Good post you Scouse b*stard

I dont renember posting that, sounds tongue in cheek but if thats the reason you are not posting stop being a soppy bollocks and start posting again.

I myself am on a sabbatical from the forum. To many two faced hypocrites on here.
Ive been slaughtered for months for having a go at Malky yet low and behold people are now agreeing with what I have been saying all along.

Nice guy but out of his depth at this level and the way he spent his budget in the summer its no wonder VT said "No More!"

That plus Adam Brown clogging the forum with his crack cocaine fuelled nonsense.

Anyway, as you were, Im off to enjoy my sabbatical until the hysteria settles.

Thought you would enjoy this one.

Think you will find it a bit different now on here so see you later on tonight most likely.

Polo is like a bad dose of the clap it keeps comming back but we love him really hes good for morale

if it wasnt for the rebranding, i'd say we would be in safe hands, but because of this he has lost a great deal of respect and credability, which is a shame.

Great post!
I and some others have made these same points over the last few weeks. Unfortunately us 'moderate thinkers' often get our posts over run by the boards posters who want Tan out at all costs.

Whats interesting for me is that in passing conversation, inside and outside of home and away games, the opinions in this post re Malky's failings and Tans plus points reflect exactly what this posts views state.

So where are all these Tan abusers when the intellegent thoughtful conversations are taking place. Could be their mums haven't yet dropped them off outside the gates.

Great post!
I and some others have made these same points over the last few weeks. Unfortunately us 'moderate thinkers' often get our posts over run by the boards posters who want Tan out at all costs.

Whats interesting for me is that in passing conversation, inside and outside of home and away games, the opinions in this post re Malky's failings and Tans plus points reflect exactly what this posts views state.

So where are all these Tan abusers when the intellegent thoughtful conversations are taking place. Could be their mums haven't yet dropped them off outside the gates.

The red shirts and dragon badge is a big black cloud over our club! Cardiff city will never move forward with a united fan base untill we return to blue! It's more than just a colour and badge! It goes far far deeper!!

No comment from the fans leaders???

No comment from the fans leaders???

Or wannabes,that chuckles is such a liar,he's got a bigger nose than tans wallet

The red shirts and dragon badge is a big black cloud over our club! Cardiff city will never move forward with a united fan base untill we return to blue! It's more than just a colour and badge! It goes far far deeper!!

Spot on, thats exactly how I feel.

I have said it from day one, " OUR IDENTITY IS EVERYTHING TO ME & MANY OTHERS "

Take a bow son. Great post

That is an interesting and thought provoking post from the thread starter but it's always easier to criticise something than defend it.

What Vincent Tan has done is create a division in the core fan base that may never be fully healed. Thaksin Shinawatra began one at Man City and then the appointment of a Man United man in Mark Hughes created cliques that I've never experienced before. Since then, there's always been an "In" and "Out" clique with Roberto Mancini (some criticised his every move) and now that's spilled over to Manuel Pellegrini where the Mancini clique won't get behind him. It sounds pathetic but it's true. I sit in the vocal area and read the forums etc. I can see the same thing happening at Cardiff now.

I'll be watching your next few months with interest.

I used to be a regular poster on this forum until May this year, but haven’t posted since then for the reasons set out below.

However, I felt that given what I consider to be the totally inappropriate actions of the bandwagon jumpers (I won’t name them, as it will be obvious to anyone who follows CCFC who they are) over the last few days, I felt it my duty to at least post my views on what’s happened over the last 7 days, as I feel so strongly about them.

The hatred for VT has simply been staggering (especially at Anfield) – all he has wanted to do (in my view) is get rid of a manager that he thinks is clearly not up to premier league standards (we may argue about that, but many will share that view, and I have been strongly of that view for a long time) – in any event, these are the arguments that at the very least seem to be sensible ones to hold, even if one disagrees with them (and surely even a fair minded MM supporter would see that they are valid points to raise, even if they wanted to give MM the benefit of the doubt) :

1. Very poor quality football (hoof-ball constantly).
2. Many players bought for far too much money (and many not even (or hardly) used), despite multi-million transfer fees (paid for remember by VT, Not MM).
3. The team hovering just above the relegation zone and clearly in danger of possible relegation.
4. A manager that despite all the money that VT had (and was going to) give him was not prepared to rule himself out of the Everton job on national TV when he could clearly have done so. (Some may feel this is fair enough by MM, but equally, isn’t it fair enough for VT to then feel, he’s not the man for me?)

I know there are counter arguments as well (I don’t accept them, as I always thought MM would take us down, but I accept some intelligent fans have supported MM), (Don’t forget as well, that all the dirty linen that’s been aired in public over the last few weeks has not come from VT – it doesn’t take a genius to work out whose likely to have been conniving behind the scenes to get the media to sing to a certain tune.)

My main point however is this : given the above arguments, why the intense hostility towards VT over the last 7 days???? The obvious answer is that the hatred has nothing really to do with the MM issue, but is all down to the rebrand – and the people who like to think that they are the important fans have suddenly jumped on this bandwagon to use this as a means of targeting hate at VT for other reasons than just innocent support of MM – Expediency at its absolute worst!

To me, that is rank hypocrisy and the people who have done so should hang their heads in shame – Even though I disagree 100% with the likes of TLG, I have the utmost respect for his position, as he had the courage of his convictions and walked away. I also have respect for those people (even though I again completely disagree with them) who have tried to oppose the rebrand from day one (even if they have continued attending games), and have maintained a consistent position.

This current fiasco though has quite frankly been sickening – if the extent of the outpouring of abuse over the last week is really about the rebrand, then have the courage of your convictions and make the argument for that – but don’t just use this MM situation (or the next convenient issue) as a cloak to vent your spleen about something else – fight on the ground you really feel strongly about, rather than stirring the pot on another issue, as you know the vast majority of fans will not protest about the rebrand!

It’s hardly surprising that the following groups hate VT :

1. The Welsh media (their beloved ‘egg’ is under intense pressure with City’s success, and the last thing they want is a long period of football success for Cardiff under a billionaire owner).
2. The English media (they hate the fact that there are 2 Welsh teams in the premier league).
3. The English football pundits (for the same reasons set out in no.2 above).

Under normal circumstances, there would be enough people around CCFC who would see through all of this, but given the rhetoric coming from the so called ‘fan’s leaders’ and the younger childish element who have not been through the dark days of bottom division football like many of us thinking it’s somehow ‘cool’ to have a pop at VT (probably because it seems like a fun thing to do), everyone seems to have been blind over the last couple of weeks.

I know I’m probably at odds with most long standing fans about not worrying about the changes (symbols and colours have never meant much to me - not just in football, but in any part of life – I don’t see symbols as affecting substance), but I can see that many honourable people do feel strongly about the issue and I respect that, but please do any campaign against VT for clear and honest reasons - not hypocritical ones!

My challenge to the leaders of this forum and any other wannabe ‘fans leaders’ is : campaign and protest on honest ground, not hypocritical ground – and don’t use the next issue that has nothing at all to do with the rebrand to again try and fan the flames against VT – have the courage to campaign on honest ground! - and if you truly are democratic, then if the vast majority will not go out and protest about the rebrand (that’s my assessment of the majority of our fan base, but if I’m wrong on that, I will bow to the majority view as I ask you to do), accept that and if you don’t want to do a TLG by all means stay, but accept that the tide of opinion is against you at this stage and maintain your opinions with dignity and honesty – that has been sadly lacking over the last few days. By all means remain vocal about how important the colours and badge are to you, but don’t use dishonest issues to use for that fight, which is what I think is what’s been done over this issue with MM!

I have always tried to respect all the different views of our fans and when I used to post, always did so by arguing against the pro change posters who used to try to wind up the pro blues - and I trust anyone reading this post will take it in the spirit it’s meant – a challenge to honesty in any protests, as all I want is the best for CCFC (as I’m sure all true fans would want).

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(The reason for my leaving the forum was that I did a post in May outlining that I thought those who celebrated our promotion like crazy whilst singing anti VT songs were complete hypocrites (as it was his money that was far and away the main reason for the promotion) – a view I still hold to as strongly as I ever did. However, Polo(whose views I’ve respected) made a good argument that maybe I was also being hypocritical in posting on an anti VT forum when I was totally behind his vision for the club.

I initially argued against that (using the argument that the top of the page said that “all fans were welcome”), but in truth I ultimately accepted his logic and have not posted from that day to this about CCFC on this forum as I felt I would become a hypocrite to continue to do so (even though I’d posted for a long time before the rebrand, and the only thing that I want is the good of CCFC).

I hate the thought of being a hypocrite myself and just wish others would take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and act honourably from this point on! If it really is the rebrand that is behind all this outpouring of hate over the last week, then come clean and don’t pretend it’s because of the MM issue – have the courage of your convictions and fight on the issue that really matters to you, not a side issue!

I shan’t post regularly again, as I know my views are not welcome on this forum.

The hatred of Tan is a culmination of events, you obviously don't like Malky & just give a one sided account of things, you talk of our crap football but how long have you supported the City?Remember Durban, Neal Hibbit & Osman? Too many think we've got some goddam right to be competing with the big boys yet less than 20 years ago we nearly went out of the league. Malky was the best manager since Scoular/Andrews, he had faults but who has'nt? He took us up as champions & if we remain in our current position at the end of the season it would be to me a success, it's not the hatred of Tan that puzzles me but the hatred of Malky, give him credit for what he's achieved at us not a list of faults.

The red shirts and dragon badge is a big black cloud over our club! Cardiff city will never move forward with a united fan base untill we return to blue! It's more than just a colour and badge! It goes far far deeper!!

Spot on, thats exactly how I feel.

I have said it from day one, " OUR IDENTITY IS EVERYTHING TO ME & MANY OTHERS "

"& MANY OTHERS "

Not that many though is it as it has been shown by the extremely poor attendances at the various marches that you are in the vast minority !

headlight

Its not just a hatred of VT, it is a hatred of what he is doing to our club.

1. He changed our identity. Some say they dont care what colour we play in, or what badge we wear ??? This I dont understand, because this is what football is about... your badge and colour is what separate you from other clubs.

2. He has wanted Malky out for a long time ?? Why, we have been doing fine until the last few games. We won the championship and are surviving in the premier league.

3. If he has done the above without a thought for the fans, what is his next move.. a name change ? maybe he fancies himself as a striker and will play himself one time ??

And this is the issue, if we roll over everytime he does something against the grain, we cannot moan if it all goes tits up or do become the Cardiff dragons or Cardiff Malaysians.

it is more to do with the identity than Malky,
Malky was a lovely fella, the players would walk through walls for him, but i think he reached his level at championship.
one day maybe, but at the moment we need someone to keep us up and progress.
it is mad with VT , when we were shit we were trying to get rid of most of our owners, (kumar,s kenton utilities etc) because they didn't spend any money,
now we got a billionaire spending money but changes our color and badge
one things for sure, most of us will be there long after he eventually he goes, and who knows what the new owners priority will bring (back to blue to please the fans)
one swallow doesn't make a summer,
one last thing, this club has grown considerably over the years, the amount of kids i see playing football on the streets are now starting to wear Cardiff tops instead of manure and chelskie.
The future is ours the future is blue, (just when again)