Daily Mail Criticises Cardiff C fans/Why Cardiff City Died

Why doesn't everyone just grow up and ditch the effing red! "Peace in our time?"....pity help us!

Sadly he is Spot on.

Disagree. It's easy to judge from the sidelines. City fans reacted with a mature, balanced response to the change of colours. We were in the midst of a promotion challenge and City fans did what they ALWAYS DO BEST - support their team and their manager. If the majority had gone the way of the minority [no criticising them], I wonder what the effect of large-scale protests would have had on the team.
'Malkygate' was the defining moment, of course, when to use the old cliché, 'enough is enough'. There was enough debate on messageboards etc on both issues to fill a library, but sensible, balanced debate as opposed to 'pitchforks and torches' will always win over abuse, threats and rants. That's why even now I'm not in the 'Tan Out' camp, more in the 'Tan listen and change' camp. Despite what has gone before, we will be a better club if the man can be brought round to see sense and to understand the club isn't his - if he doesn't change, I'll be firmly in the Tan Out camp, for sure.

Despite the numerous factions/points of view amongst our fans, the supporters of CCFC have behaved impeccably the last 18 months, and the Malaysian fella should be truly thankful for that !

The season had not even started when Tan ripped our identity from us. Sorry I will never accept why fans bought,endorsed and some even belittled those that stayed BLUE. My strong Opinion and Belief.

Spot on Annis. It seems many are rewriting history to justify why they rolled over.

Of course, everyone knows why, it was the bright lights of the Premier League. There aren't many that admit that.

If it was financial security then why are there no concerns over the £50m on loan notes Tan has racked up on signings, why is there no talk on financials (I asked the other day when your finances get released and was told to shut up )

The rebrand happened in the off season where the winding up threats had long gone due to an initial £6m investment by Tan - the red was accepted because the fans wanted a big transfer kitty not to pay off the debts - in fact it was thought for a while by many quarters that the £100m was transfer fees alone.

Adrian Durham is a tw*t, everyone knows this.


i guess hes right though

What should we have done then? Told Tan to piss off and gone bust, or possibly out of existence altogether? We've got Tan's money, we've got a premiership football club, we've got an expanding stadium, we've got a state of the art training facility in the pipeline, we've stood up to Tan over Malky, we've been rude and insulting to him, so if he is true to his word he will piss off but leave us in good hands. That sounds like win-win to me, and I heard several pundits on the weekend praising our fans at Liverpool and the strength of fan power so our reputation has been enhanced. f**k Adrian Durham and the Daily Fail.

PS for the record I hate f*cking red and hate the f*cking badge.

Adrian Durham is a tw*t, everyone knows this.


i guess hes right though

What should we have done then? Told Tan to piss off and gone bust, or possibly out of existence altogether? We've got Tan's money, we've got a premiership football club, we've got an expanding stadium, we've got a state of the art training facility in the pipeline, we've stood up to Tan over Malky, we've been rude and insulting to him, so if he is true to his word he will piss off but leave us in good hands. That sounds like win-win to me, and I heard several pundits on the weekend praising our fans at Liverpool and the strength of fan power so our reputation has been enhanced. f**k Adrian Durham and the Daily Fail.

PS for the record I hate f*cking red and hate the f*cking badge.

Absolutely you should have told him to do one! You would not have gone bust - as confirmed by your director.

£100m on players was the initial thought and that is what excited most people, nothing to do with going bust. The threats of going bust had beed staved off by that time.

Those two things I cannot take seriously -Durham and the Daily Fail...

Adrian Durham is a tw*t, everyone knows this.


i guess hes right though

What should we have done then? Told Tan to piss off and gone bust, or possibly out of existence altogether? We've got Tan's money, we've got a premiership football club, we've got an expanding stadium, we've got a state of the art training facility in the pipeline, we've stood up to Tan over Malky, we've been rude and insulting to him, so if he is true to his word he will piss off but leave us in good hands. That sounds like win-win to me, and I heard several pundits on the weekend praising our fans at Liverpool and the strength of fan power so our reputation has been enhanced. f**k Adrian Durham and the Daily Fail.

PS for the record I hate f*cking red and hate the f*cking badge.

Absolutely you should have told him to do one! You would not have gone bust - as confirmed by your director.

£100m on players was the initial thought and that is what excited most people, nothing to do with going bust. The threats of going bust had beed staved off by that time.

We had debts of over £80m at the time. If Tan had pulled out we would have gone bust NQAT

Adrian Durham is a tw*t, everyone knows this.


i guess hes right though

What should we have done then? Told Tan to piss off and gone bust, or possibly out of existence altogether? We've got Tan's money, we've got a premiership football club, we've got an expanding stadium, we've got a state of the art training facility in the pipeline, we've stood up to Tan over Malky, we've been rude and insulting to him, so if he is true to his word he will piss off but leave us in good hands. That sounds like win-win to me, and I heard several pundits on the weekend praising our fans at Liverpool and the strength of fan power so our reputation has been enhanced. f**k Adrian Durham and the Daily Fail.

PS for the record I hate f*cking red and hate the f*cking badge.

Absolutely you should have told him to do one! You would not have gone bust - as confirmed by your director.

£100m on players was the initial thought and that is what excited most people, nothing to do with going bust. The threats of going bust had beed staved off by that time.

We had debts of over £80m at the time. If Tan had pulled out we would have gone bust NQAT

Including £32m to Sam who we know would have accepted £10m and wasn't due until 2016.

The rest of the debt could have mostly wiped put by player sales and land sales with the remaining being paid off monthly with running profits with re-nogotiated player contracts.

But its no fun doing that as you would probably have to then live within the clubs modest means for years and build slowly. Its the day and age we live in - everyone wants things now now now - even if you cant afford it, but don't think many clubs fans would auction off their identity.

I certainly wouldnt.

I'm in the (un)fortunate position where my club actually went down the pan for the sake of £165k and I can tell you that had soneone came in with the cash to save Clydebank in July 2002 and their condition was to change the club colours then I'd have wanked them off.

We've had 11 good years in Scottish non league(no pyramid system) but I'd do anything to have us back playing in the leagues I knew growing up. My club beat Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen & all the big clubs in red & white in front of home crowds of 2000 max, but that was my club doing what they did. See past the money and the EPL because there is more to that. The first time I saw Cardiff was in front of 800 at New Kilbowie while I was still at primary school and now I have a season ticket.

Dreams can come true, without the Tan's of the world. He cares about you less than Malky does. Why? Well Malky's a hard working jock like me, and likd you we know what football is really about 'cos up here football means the same thing to us all. The difference? Malky can get sacked & make millions but we'll still be there next week. It's a game of chess bit don't get sucked in. Football is nothing without diehard fans.

I'm in the (un)fortunate position where my club actually went down the pan for the sake of £165k and I can tell you that had soneone came in with the cash to save Clydebank in July 2002 and their condition was to change the club colours then I'd have wanked them off.

We've had 11 good years in Scottish non league(no pyramid system) but I'd do anything to have us back playing in the leagues I knew growing up. My club beat Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen & all the big clubs in red & white in front of home crowds of 2000 max, but that was my club doing what they did. See past the money and the EPL because there is more to that. The first time I saw Cardiff was in front of 800 at New Kilbowie while I was still at primary school and now I have a season ticket.

Dreams can come true, without the Tan's of the world. He cares about you less than Malky does. Why? Well Malky's a hard working jock like me, and likd you we know what football is really about 'cos up here football means the same thing to us all. The difference? Malky can get sacked & make millions but we'll still be there next week. It's a game of chess bit don't get sucked in. Football is nothing without diehard fans.

I can understand that about wanking some saviour off under those circumstances. However Clydebanks situation to ours is totally different. The potential between both clubs are worlds apart. We were knocking on the premier league with its millions calling. Personally I feel you need more faith in believing no one was interested in us than someone was ready to step in.

This no one cared for us but Tan came from the board. Individuals who were to gain by having Tan here. Lets just say its better the devil you know.

Durham is a wind up merchant , anyone who spends most of their air time slagging off arsenal is a genuine waste of space, writing for the daily mail says it all!

I'm in the (un)fortunate position where my club actually went down the pan for the sake of £165k and I can tell you that had soneone came in with the cash to save Clydebank in July 2002 and their condition was to change the club colours then I'd have wanked them off.

We've had 11 good years in Scottish non league(no pyramid system) but I'd do anything to have us back playing in the leagues I knew growing up. My club beat Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen & all the big clubs in red & white in front of home crowds of 2000 max, but that was my club doing what they did. See past the money and the EPL because there is more to that. The first time I saw Cardiff was in front of 800 at New Kilbowie while I was still at primary school and now I have a season ticket.

Dreams can come true, without the Tan's of the world. He cares about you less than Malky does. Why? Well Malky's a hard working jock like me, and likd you we know what football is really about 'cos up here football means the same thing to us all. The difference? Malky can get sacked & make millions but we'll still be there next week. It's a game of chess bit don't get sucked in. Football is nothing without diehard fans.

I can understand that about wanking some saviour off under those circumstances. However Clydebanks situation to ours is totally different. The potential between both clubs are worlds apart. We were knocking on the premier league with its millions calling. Personally I feel you need more faith in believing no one was interested in us than someone was ready to step in.

This no one cared for us but Tan came from the board. Individuals who were to gain by having Tan here. Lets just say its better the devil you know.

I agree Ian. I've never been comfortable with the new breed of football club chairmen & owners. It's no longer the peoples game, it's about who can make the most out of it for themselves now.

PS apologies for the vodka spelling, that was after reading through it and correcting mistakes!

I'm in the (un)fortunate position where my club actually went down the pan for the sake of £165k and I can tell you that had soneone came in with the cash to save Clydebank in July 2002 and their condition was to change the club colours then I'd have wanked them off.

We've had 11 good years in Scottish non league(no pyramid system) but I'd do anything to have us back playing in the leagues I knew growing up. My club beat Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen & all the big clubs in red & white in front of home crowds of 2000 max, but that was my club doing what they did. See past the money and the EPL because there is more to that. The first time I saw Cardiff was in front of 800 at New Kilbowie while I was still at primary school and now I have a season ticket.

Dreams can come true, without the Tan's of the world. He cares about you less than Malky does. Why? Well Malky's a hard working jock like me, and likd you we know what football is really about 'cos up here football means the same thing to us all. The difference? Malky can get sacked & make millions but we'll still be there next week. It's a game of chess bit don't get sucked in. Football is nothing without diehard fans.

Cracking post Paul.

I love Cardiff City and have done since i first saw them in a friendly match at Aberystwyth Town in 1980. I'll never forget my 1st match at Ninian Park under the floodlights as a Peter Kitchen header beat Newcastle united on a cold february evening (25th Feb 1981 i think) and over the years i have many great memories and have met some fantastic people. I have watched us playing over 120 different teams and have visited numerous shitholes over the years. I have been an exile for 25 years and have messed up my kids so that they too support my first love.

Watching cardiff city in the top flight was a pipe dream all those years ago. The dream has become a reality but sadly it has been tarnished by a meglomaniac owner with a warped ideology. One thing that i do know is that if tan were to walk away and we were to end up in a clydebank situation then like your goodself i would still be there supporting the club i love.

The ginger wanker is just trying to stir things up after the Malky affair, took him long enough to come up with it....

Sadly he is Spot on.

Disagree. It's easy to judge from the sidelines. City fans reacted with a mature, balanced response to the change of colours. We were in the midst of a promotion challenge and City fans did what they ALWAYS DO BEST - support their team and their manager. If the majority had gone the way of the minority [no criticising them], I wonder what the effect of large-scale protests would have had on the team.
'Malkygate' was the defining moment, of course, when to use the old cliché, 'enough is enough'. There was enough debate on messageboards etc on both issues to fill a library, but sensible, balanced debate as opposed to 'pitchforks and torches' will always win over abuse, threats and rants. That's why even now I'm not in the 'Tan Out' camp, more in the 'Tan listen and change' camp. Despite what has gone before, we will be a better club if the man can be brought round to see sense and to understand the club isn't his - if he doesn't change, I'll be firmly in the Tan Out camp, for sure.

Despite the numerous factions/points of view amongst our fans, the supporters of CCFC have behaved impeccably the last 18 months, and the Malaysian fella should be truly thankful for that !

Great post mate

I'm in the (un)fortunate position where my club actually went down the pan for the sake of £165k and I can tell you that had soneone came in with the cash to save Clydebank in July 2002 and their condition was to change the club colours then I'd have wanked them off.

We've had 11 good years in Scottish non league(no pyramid system) but I'd do anything to have us back playing in the leagues I knew growing up. My club beat Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen & all the big clubs in red & white in front of home crowds of 2000 max, but that was my club doing what they did. See past the money and the EPL because there is more to that. The first time I saw Cardiff was in front of 800 at New Kilbowie while I was still at primary school and now I have a season ticket.

Dreams can come true, without the Tan's of the world. He cares about you less than Malky does. Why? Well Malky's a hard working jock like me, and likd you we know what football is really about 'cos up here football means the same thing to us all. The difference? Malky can get sacked & make millions but we'll still be there next week. It's a game of chess bit don't get sucked in. Football is nothing without diehard fans.

Cracking post Paul.

I love Cardiff City and have done since i first saw them in a friendly match at Aberystwyth Town in 1980. I'll never forget my 1st match at Ninian Park under the floodlights as a Peter Kitchen header beat Newcastle united on a cold february evening (25th Feb 1981 i think) and over the years i have many great memories and have met some fantastic people. I have watched us playing over 120 different teams and have visited numerous shitholes over the years. I have been an exile for 25 years and have messed up my kids so that they too support my first love.

Watching cardiff city in the top flight was a pipe dream all those years ago. The dream has become a reality but sadly it has been tarnished by a meglomaniac owner with a warped ideology. One thing that i do know is that if tan were to walk away and we were to end up in a clydebank situation then like your goodself i would still be there supporting the club i love.

The Daily Mail criticise everyone and everything. It causes a stir, generates reader comments, physical sales and website hits, which makes them more money.

The Daily Mail criticise everyone and everything. It causes a stir, generates reader comments, physical sales and website hits, which makes them more money.

Spot on there

Adrian Durham is a tw*t, everyone knows this.


i guess hes right though

What should we have done then? Told Tan to piss off and gone bust, or possibly out of existence altogether? We've got Tan's money, we've got a premiership football club, we've got an expanding stadium, we've got a state of the art training facility in the pipeline, we've stood up to Tan over Malky, we've been rude and insulting to him, so if he is true to his word he will piss off but leave us in good hands. That sounds like win-win to me, and I heard several pundits on the weekend praising our fans at Liverpool and the strength of fan power so our reputation has been enhanced. f**k Adrian Durham and the Daily Fail.

PS for the record I hate f*cking red and hate the f*cking badge.

Absolutely you should have told him to do one! You would not have gone bust - as confirmed by your director.

£100m on players was the initial thought and that is what excited most people, nothing to do with going bust. The threats of going bust had beed staved off by that time.

We had debts of over £80m at the time. If Tan had pulled out we would have gone bust NQAT

Including £32m to Sam who we know would have accepted £10m and wasn't due until 2016.

The rest of the debt could have mostly wiped put by player sales and land sales with the remaining being paid off monthly with running profits with re-nogotiated player contracts.

But its no fun doing that as you would probably have to then live within the clubs modest means for years and build slowly. Its the day and age we live in - everyone wants things now now now - even if you cant afford it, but don't think many clubs fans would auction off their identity.

I certainly wouldnt.

Player sales and land sales coming to £50m !! You pissed or what? Look, no one knows what they would do until they are in the situation themselves. You may not have chosen that particular route but the rest of your grubby fans might have chosen another route. It's not down to one person. Who cares what you think anyway.

Tan was into is for about 70m ffs do you really think he would have walked away?

Tan was into is for about 70m ffs do you really think he would have walked away?

I have to agree with Polo on that, Tan was going no where.

This article is bang on the money 100 % true .the night of the red scarf was also bollocks and most people accepted it.one of the worst days supporting city.

We stilll av a chance now though

Excellent comment
For over 40 years i have watched the City from a kid in the old Grange watching Clarky banging one in against Rel Madrid to being turned over 4-1 to Merthyr,there's been highs such as Hereford 76 to the lowest of lows such as the PO final but nothing has hurt more than the sight walking on to the Canton at 7:40pm last february v Brighton & see the majority of our support sitting there in their freebie red scarves, my boy who has been a season ticket holder since the age of 6 turned to me & said " come on let's fook off out of here", he knew how much it hurt. It felt as if everything we were had been destroyed but like brickyblue says maybe it's not too late, maybe faith can be restored & we can all be a proud unit once again. This megalomaniac is a cold heartless b*stard & could'nt care less about the pain this has caused but the wheel's are coming off his bandwagon & now is the time for him to feel like the isolated one.Let's restore our identity & the pride it once was being loud n proud, we were never a bunch to be pissed over, we're better than that.

Could you imagine all this nonsense happening in Germany? Have a look at the passion of the Bayern or Dortmund fans, or for that matter just about anywhere in the world, as opposed to our libraries over here!

Yes I can see it now; rich Asian knobhead offers to pay Dortmund fans for the right to change their yellow to red:

BLITZKREIG! ..........mein Gott in himmel!!!!

I am totally for keeping Malky as our manager as I believe that without him as manager we will be relegated. However there has been a degree of hypocrisy on this forum as there have been a significant number of posters who have been disenchanted with his style of play and wanting him to be replaced.
Vincent Tan has made a lot of mistakes but has made a very large investment in the club, backing Malky in the transfer market to the tune of £35 million and the stadium expansion and proposed new training ground.
The fans who want him out should be worried about what will happen to the club if he went as there was no one who was willing to invest in Cardiff City before and there is no one around now.It is all very well saying that you would rather the club was in the lower leagues but there would be very little support as has been proved in the decades before, 3 to 4 thousand at most as I remember the Len Ashurst years.
The media are making a big story of this as there is no other news, look at other owners such as Roman Abramovich who sacked Rannieri for finishing second and Dematteo even though he won the Champions League! Southampton sacked Nigel Adkins and there was not this much fuss.
Tan has the right to hire and fire anyone he employs and who was the person who leaked this email in the first place?
Protest by all means in support of Malky but I would caution against demanding Tan out.

Love the way some of your tan apologists dismiss just because its in the fail and written by Durham. Yes they are a vile combination but the majority of your own fans on this thread agree with the article, so saying it's bullshit because of its author is as pathetic as supporting red and buying red. Lets be honest there are only a handful of you who tried the rest were either snivelling arse wipes (gwyn) or just spineless creatures. To all slap yourselves on the back because of signing a few malky in songs at anfield is laughable.

Sadly he is Spot on.

Disagree. It's easy to judge from the sidelines. City fans reacted with a mature, balanced response to the change of colours. We were in the midst of a promotion challenge and City fans did what they ALWAYS DO BEST - support their team and their manager. If the majority had gone the way of the minority [no criticising them], I wonder what the effect of large-scale protests would have had on the team.
'Malkygate' was the defining moment, of course, when to use the old cliché, 'enough is enough'. There was enough debate on messageboards etc on both issues to fill a library, but sensible, balanced debate as opposed to 'pitchforks and torches' will always win over abuse, threats and rants. That's why even now I'm not in the 'Tan Out' camp, more in the 'Tan listen and change' camp. Despite what has gone before, we will be a better club if the man can be brought round to see sense and to understand the club isn't his - if he doesn't change, I'll be firmly in the Tan Out camp, for sure.

Despite the numerous factions/points of view amongst our fans, the supporters of CCFC have behaved impeccably the last 18 months, and the Malaysian fella should be truly thankful for that !

The season had not even started when Tan ripped our identity from us. Sorry I will never accept why fans bought,endorsed and some even belittled those that stayed BLUE. My strong Opinion and Belief.

Spot on Annis. It seems many are rewriting history to justify why they rolled over.

Of course, everyone knows why, it was the bright lights of the Premier League. There aren't many that admit that.

If it was financial security then why are there no concerns over the £50m on loan notes Tan has racked up on signings, why is there no talk on financials (I asked the other day when your finances get released and was told to shut up )

The rebrand happened in the off season where the winding up threats had long gone due to an initial £6m investment by Tan - the red was accepted because the fans wanted a big transfer kitty not to pay off the debts - in fact it was thought for a while by many quarters that the £100m was transfer fees alone.

Love the way some of your tan apologists dismiss just because its in the fail and written by Durham. Yes they are a vile combination but the majority of your own fans on this thread agree with the article, so saying it's bullshit because of its author is as pathetic as supporting red and buying red. Lets be honest there are only a handful of you who tried the rest were either snivelling arse wipes (gwyn) or just spineless creatures. To all slap yourselves on the back because of signing a few malky in songs at anfield is laughable.

Adrian Durham is a tw*t, everyone knows this.


i guess hes right though

What should we have done then? Told Tan to piss off and gone bust, or possibly out of existence altogether? We've got Tan's money, we've got a premiership football club, we've got an expanding stadium, we've got a state of the art training facility in the pipeline, we've stood up to Tan over Malky, we've been rude and insulting to him, so if he is true to his word he will piss off but leave us in good hands. That sounds like win-win to me, and I heard several pundits on the weekend praising our fans at Liverpool and the strength of fan power so our reputation has been enhanced. f**k Adrian Durham and the Daily Fail.

PS for the record I hate f*cking red and hate the f*cking badge.

What should we have done? Ever heard of standing firm and holding our nerve? People seem to forget Tan is a hard nosed businessman, abeit with some controversial methods and eccentric beliefs. He did not wish to invest in Cardiff City because he is a warm, cuddly, altruistic human being. He sees an opportunity and he wants it. Cardiff City represented to him a viable opportunity to make money and gain social status by getting a foothold in the English football scene with a view to getting to the holy grail of The Premiership. We could have played hardball with te guy and quite possibly have got everything we wanted on our terms. Tan probably didn't expect us to roll over and have our bellies tickled quite so easily and I guess he thinks those Welsh will never make world class Poker players!

Tan stated that if he lost 25% of support from the rebrand that it would be acceptable as they would be replaced by new support if we were successful, he's just a horrible cold selfish b*stard who could'nt give a flying fook about us, fook him & his rebrand shite, this should be the proudest era in our history but for me i feel like a outsider looking in,i like everyone else is now just a customer who would be told "If you don't like it then fook off" sadly not only by Tan but by our own support (mainly post 2001 jokers).

Adrian Durham is a tw*t, everyone knows this.


i guess hes right though

What should we have done then? Told Tan to piss off and gone bust, or possibly out of existence altogether? We've got Tan's money, we've got a premiership football club, we've got an expanding stadium, we've got a state of the art training facility in the pipeline, we've stood up to Tan over Malky, we've been rude and insulting to him, so if he is true to his word he will piss off but leave us in good hands. That sounds like win-win to me, and I heard several pundits on the weekend praising our fans at Liverpool and the strength of fan power so our reputation has been enhanced. f**k Adrian Durham and the Daily Fail.

PS for the record I hate f*cking red and hate the f*cking badge.

What should we have done? Ever heard of standing firm and holding our nerve? People seem to forget Tan is a hard nosed businessman, abeit with some controversial methods and eccentric beliefs. He did not wish to invest in Cardiff City because he is a warm, cuddly, altruistic human being. He sees an opportunity and he wants it. Cardiff City represented to him a viable opportunity to make money and gain social status by getting a foothold in the English football scene with a view to getting to the holy grail of The Premiership. We could have played hardball with te guy and quite possibly have got everything we wanted on our terms. Tan probably didn't expect us to roll over and have our bellies tickled quite so easily and I guess he thinks those Welsh will never make world class Poker players!

This is a Cardiff city problem, nothing to do with the rest of Wales. Please don't lump the rest of us in with you Malaysian flag waving, brown nosing, bum hole licking, spineless, sycophantic whores. It simply won't do!

Poor old Tragic Flaps. Boxing Day and he's on a Cardiff City forum. Still no sign of him getting a girlfriend so I would imagine Christmas will consist of Dr Who, trolling and wanking off to World Of Warcraft. Bless.