Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:31 pm
old blue wrote:
Yes that may be so but he is turning our club into something we don't recognise, he needs to know it's not his club, it's ours.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:37 pm
Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:45 pm
Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:
Yes that may be so but he is turning our club into something we don't recognise, he needs to know it's not his club, it's ours.
He did that long ago, and there was very little resistance at the time - or since.
Managers come and go all the time, malky not being there doesnt change the identity of Cardiff City - hes only been there since 2011.
Yet it seems people are more upset that hes changing the manager than changing the colour, bluebird and potentially name of the club. I just find it a bit odd.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:51 pm
carlccfc wrote:Liam! wrote:Surely this is meek compared to taking a blue club and turning it red, taking a traditional badge with bluebird and changing it to a beer mat etc etc etc
I dont get why all the hostility NOW. Is Malky (a manager for 2 years) more important to fans thats the actual clubs identity which stood for 100 years?
The future of the club, in my opinion, was very much in doubt if we had turned down the opportunity of investment, we went with it and have had to live with it but he is doing his level best to screw it all up and that is why the hostility now.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:54 pm
Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:57 pm
Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:
Yes that may be so but he is turning our club into something we don't recognise, he needs to know it's not his club, it's ours.
He did that long ago, and there was very little resistance at the time - or since.
Managers come and go all the time, malky not being there doesnt change the identity of Cardiff City - hes only been there since 2011.
Yet it seems people are more upset that hes changing the manager than changing the colour, bluebird and potentially name of the club. I just find it a bit odd.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:11 pm
old blue wrote:Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:
Yes that may be so but he is turning our club into something we don't recognise, he needs to know it's not his club, it's ours.
He did that long ago, and there was very little resistance at the time - or since.
Managers come and go all the time, malky not being there doesnt change the identity of Cardiff City - hes only been there since 2011.
Yet it seems people are more upset that hes changing the manager than changing the colour, bluebird and potentially name of the club. I just find it a bit odd.
We all know why that happened though don't we, there were people shouting the club's welfare was at stake and we had almost been at the mercy of the taxman. plus the fact people were mesmerized by the premiership. Lets be honest the man offered a substantial amount of money to do it as well, money us fans have never seen the like, now we are seeing him for what he is. Malky is a decent honest guy who is doing a job to his best ability which most of us a happy with, {surely it's all about consolidation this season} and because he's not bowing down to Tan {like the rest of the club} he is being victimized.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:19 pm
Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:
Yes that may be so but he is turning our club into something we don't recognise, he needs to know it's not his club, it's ours.
He did that long ago, and there was very little resistance at the time - or since.
Managers come and go all the time, malky not being there doesnt change the identity of Cardiff City - hes only been there since 2011.
Yet it seems people are more upset that hes changing the manager than changing the colour, bluebird and potentially name of the club. I just find it a bit odd.
We all know why that happened though don't we, there were people shouting the club's welfare was at stake and we had almost been at the mercy of the taxman. plus the fact people were mesmerized by the premiership. Lets be honest the man offered a substantial amount of money to do it as well, money us fans have never seen the like, now we are seeing him for what he is. Malky is a decent honest guy who is doing a job to his best ability which most of us a happy with, {surely it's all about consolidation this season} and because he's not bowing down to Tan {like the rest of the club} he is being victimized.
Hidden in that passage is the true answer I suspect.
The club is pretty much in the same position financially now as it was when he did the rebrand, maybe even worse. The outgoings of being in the Premier League is immense. The in come is also immense but the majority of cardiffs has gone on the £50m transfer kitty - add extortionate wages on top and the Prem money for this year has gone.... And more.
The club must owe Tan tens and tens of millions. He is the clubs life support machine and has the power to turn it off at any time.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:19 pm
carlccfc wrote:I still want the idiot out of our club, if as expected he sacks Malky then it is time for Tan to stay away for good.
I have stayed very much down the middle and seen the arguments from both sides regarding Tan's rebranding but the way in which Tan is behaving and treating Mackay and in turn this club, for myself enough is enough.
Time to go Vincent.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:25 pm
old blue wrote:Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:
Yes that may be so but he is turning our club into something we don't recognise, he needs to know it's not his club, it's ours.
He did that long ago, and there was very little resistance at the time - or since.
Managers come and go all the time, malky not being there doesnt change the identity of Cardiff City - hes only been there since 2011.
Yet it seems people are more upset that hes changing the manager than changing the colour, bluebird and potentially name of the club. I just find it a bit odd.
We all know why that happened though don't we, there were people shouting the club's welfare was at stake and we had almost been at the mercy of the taxman. plus the fact people were mesmerized by the premiership. Lets be honest the man offered a substantial amount of money to do it as well, money us fans have never seen the like, now we are seeing him for what he is. Malky is a decent honest guy who is doing a job to his best ability which most of us a happy with, {surely it's all about consolidation this season} and because he's not bowing down to Tan {like the rest of the club} he is being victimized.
Hidden in that passage is the true answer I suspect.
The club is pretty much in the same position financially now as it was when he did the rebrand, maybe even worse. The outgoings of being in the Premier League is immense. The in come is also immense but the majority of cardiffs has gone on the £50m transfer kitty - add extortionate wages on top and the Prem money for this year has gone.... And more.
The club must owe Tan tens and tens of millions. He is the clubs life support machine and has the power to turn it off at any time.
So what do we do, sit back and say do what you want? He disrespects us by saying we are only customers, i've always thought that customers are always right, well in the western world anyway.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:37 pm
Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:
Yes that may be so but he is turning our club into something we don't recognise, he needs to know it's not his club, it's ours.
He did that long ago, and there was very little resistance at the time - or since.
Managers come and go all the time, malky not being there doesnt change the identity of Cardiff City - hes only been there since 2011.
Yet it seems people are more upset that hes changing the manager than changing the colour, bluebird and potentially name of the club. I just find it a bit odd.
We all know why that happened though don't we, there were people shouting the club's welfare was at stake and we had almost been at the mercy of the taxman. plus the fact people were mesmerized by the premiership. Lets be honest the man offered a substantial amount of money to do it as well, money us fans have never seen the like, now we are seeing him for what he is. Malky is a decent honest guy who is doing a job to his best ability which most of us a happy with, {surely it's all about consolidation this season} and because he's not bowing down to Tan {like the rest of the club} he is being victimized.
Hidden in that passage is the true answer I suspect.
The club is pretty much in the same position financially now as it was when he did the rebrand, maybe even worse. The outgoings of being in the Premier League is immense. The in come is also immense but the majority of cardiffs has gone on the £50m transfer kitty - add extortionate wages on top and the Prem money for this year has gone.... And more.
The club must owe Tan tens and tens of millions. He is the clubs life support machine and has the power to turn it off at any time.
So what do we do, sit back and say do what you want? He disrespects us by saying we are only customers, i've always thought that customers are always right, well in the western world anyway.
You have already said that to him by allowing him to do what he wants.
You had a chance to nip it in the bud at the start but the bright lights of the Prem were too dazzling. He has the club by the balls and you now face a catch 22 situation.
By all means you may rise up against him now (3 years late)... but be aware that the outcome may be just the same as if you did it initially - which of course was the fear and reason some cite as why there was little opposition. In fact, the outcome may well be worse.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:37 pm
Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:
Yes that may be so but he is turning our club into something we don't recognise, he needs to know it's not his club, it's ours.
He did that long ago, and there was very little resistance at the time - or since.
Managers come and go all the time, malky not being there doesnt change the identity of Cardiff City - hes only been there since 2011.
Yet it seems people are more upset that hes changing the manager than changing the colour, bluebird and potentially name of the club. I just find it a bit odd.
We all know why that happened though don't we, there were people shouting the club's welfare was at stake and we had almost been at the mercy of the taxman. plus the fact people were mesmerized by the premiership. Lets be honest the man offered a substantial amount of money to do it as well, money us fans have never seen the like, now we are seeing him for what he is. Malky is a decent honest guy who is doing a job to his best ability which most of us a happy with, {surely it's all about consolidation this season} and because he's not bowing down to Tan {like the rest of the club} he is being victimized.
Hidden in that passage is the true answer I suspect.
The club is pretty much in the same position financially now as it was when he did the rebrand, maybe even worse. The outgoings of being in the Premier League is immense. The in come is also immense but the majority of cardiffs has gone on the £50m transfer kitty - add extortionate wages on top and the Prem money for this year has gone.... And more.
The club must owe Tan tens and tens of millions. He is the clubs life support machine and has the power to turn it off at any time.
So what do we do, sit back and say do what you want? He disrespects us by saying we are only customers, i've always thought that customers are always right, well in the western world anyway.
You have already said that to him by allowing him to do what he wants.
You had a chance to nip it in the bud at the start but the bright lights of the Prem were too dazzling. He has the club by the balls and you now face a catch 22 situation.
By all means you may rise up against him now (3 years late)... but be aware that the outcome may be just the same as if you did it initially - which of course was the fear and reason some cite as why there was little opposition. In fact, the outcome may well be worse.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:40 pm
soulofthesea wrote:Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:
Yes that may be so but he is turning our club into something we don't recognise, he needs to know it's not his club, it's ours.
He did that long ago, and there was very little resistance at the time - or since.
Managers come and go all the time, malky not being there doesnt change the identity of Cardiff City - hes only been there since 2011.
Yet it seems people are more upset that hes changing the manager than changing the colour, bluebird and potentially name of the club. I just find it a bit odd.
We all know why that happened though don't we, there were people shouting the club's welfare was at stake and we had almost been at the mercy of the taxman. plus the fact people were mesmerized by the premiership. Lets be honest the man offered a substantial amount of money to do it as well, money us fans have never seen the like, now we are seeing him for what he is. Malky is a decent honest guy who is doing a job to his best ability which most of us a happy with, {surely it's all about consolidation this season} and because he's not bowing down to Tan {like the rest of the club} he is being victimized.
Hidden in that passage is the true answer I suspect.
The club is pretty much in the same position financially now as it was when he did the rebrand, maybe even worse. The outgoings of being in the Premier League is immense. The in come is also immense but the majority of cardiffs has gone on the £50m transfer kitty - add extortionate wages on top and the Prem money for this year has gone.... And more.
The club must owe Tan tens and tens of millions. He is the clubs life support machine and has the power to turn it off at any time.
So what do we do, sit back and say do what you want? He disrespects us by saying we are only customers, i've always thought that customers are always right, well in the western world anyway.
You have already said that to him by allowing him to do what he wants.
You had a chance to nip it in the bud at the start but the bright lights of the Prem were too dazzling. He has the club by the balls and you now face a catch 22 situation.
By all means you may rise up against him now (3 years late)... but be aware that the outcome may be just the same as if you did it initially - which of course was the fear and reason some cite as why there was little opposition. In fact, the outcome may well be worse.
i dont agree........its not the same, back then whats the worse that could have happened? the worse that can happen now, is no club, not a points deduction,not administration, just tan ceasing to trade.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:40 pm
boyo1927 wrote:Liam! wrote:Surely this is meek compared to taking a blue club and turning it red, taking a traditional badge with bluebird and changing it to a beer mat etc etc etc
I dont get why all the hostility NOW. Is Malky (a manager for 2 years) more important to fans thats the actual clubs identity which stood for 100 years?
For me the rebrand has been bubbling under the surface for a long time, I hate the fact we are playing in red, promotion wasn't the same. I was happy but it didn't felt like all my dreams come true, it didn't feel like Cardiff City. That feeling still exists, I cannot bare not to go at all, Cardiff City is something I have always known. I have a massive amount of respect for our manager, he is professional, got a great record, by all means not perfect but a damn fine bloke who deserves much more respect than Tan has given this week. I am now fully support of any campaign for Tan to leave our club, however detrimental this might be! Tan has behaved disgracefully this week as many pundits, managers have pointed out. I simply do not understand how Tan can have supporters right now?
Come on city players whether Malky is there tomorrow or not play your hearts out for Malky!![]()
Malky's barmy army!![]()
Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:41 pm
old blue wrote:
Yeah well we either rise up and take the consequenses or stick by the dictator, what do you think?
Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:45 pm
Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:
Yeah well we either rise up and take the consequenses or stick by the dictator, what do you think?
The decision was made 3 years ago. Nothing has changed other than a different manager.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:58 pm
CardiffCityBlue wrote:He has no football knowledge and don't care about anyone but himself
Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:01 pm
old blue wrote:
So we stick with the Emperor then? Times are changing since three years ago and people are getting wise.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:07 pm
Liam! wrote:soulofthesea wrote:Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:Liam! wrote:old blue wrote:
Yes that may be so but he is turning our club into something we don't recognise, he needs to know it's not his club, it's ours.
He did that long ago, and there was very little resistance at the time - or since.
Managers come and go all the time, malky not being there doesnt change the identity of Cardiff City - hes only been there since 2011.
Yet it seems people are more upset that hes changing the manager than changing the colour, bluebird and potentially name of the club. I just find it a bit odd.
We all know why that happened though don't we, there were people shouting the club's welfare was at stake and we had almost been at the mercy of the taxman. plus the fact people were mesmerized by the premiership. Lets be honest the man offered a substantial amount of money to do it as well, money us fans have never seen the like, now we are seeing him for what he is. Malky is a decent honest guy who is doing a job to his best ability which most of us a happy with, {surely it's all about consolidation this season} and because he's not bowing down to Tan {like the rest of the club} he is being victimized.
Hidden in that passage is the true answer I suspect.
The club is pretty much in the same position financially now as it was when he did the rebrand, maybe even worse. The outgoings of being in the Premier League is immense. The in come is also immense but the majority of cardiffs has gone on the £50m transfer kitty - add extortionate wages on top and the Prem money for this year has gone.... And more.
The club must owe Tan tens and tens of millions. He is the clubs life support machine and has the power to turn it off at any time.
So what do we do, sit back and say do what you want? He disrespects us by saying we are only customers, i've always thought that customers are always right, well in the western world anyway.
You have already said that to him by allowing him to do what he wants.
You had a chance to nip it in the bud at the start but the bright lights of the Prem were too dazzling. He has the club by the balls and you now face a catch 22 situation.
By all means you may rise up against him now (3 years late)... but be aware that the outcome may be just the same as if you did it initially - which of course was the fear and reason some cite as why there was little opposition. In fact, the outcome may well be worse.
i dont agree........its not the same, back then whats the worse that could have happened? the worse that can happen now, is no club, not a points deduction,not administration, just tan ceasing to trade.
Of course its the same. If Tan pulls the plug on any future investments and sells everyone and everything to cover his outlay - who pays the bills?.... And the club is still red.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:11 pm
Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:11 pm
Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:13 pm
Liam! wrote:carlccfc wrote:Liam! wrote:carlccfc wrote:pauly_gee wrote:carlccfc wrote:I still want the idiot out of our club, if as expected he sacks Malky then it is time for Tan to stay away for good.
I have stayed very much down the middle and seen the arguments from both sides regarding Tan's rebranding but the way in which Tan is behaving and treating Mackay and in turn this club, for myself enough is enough.
Time to go Vincent.
Carl,
Can you clarify something for me? If Tan were to leave, what happens to the club financially? As major shareholder, I understand he can't just walk away, or can he? What are the impacts on the club?
Paul, he will want his money back of course but he will never get every penny as nobody will pay what would be needed.
I am confident there will be somebody who will have a go at Cardiff City FC.
Of course with payments from the Premier League we could survive on that income but may have to cut our cloth accordingly if there was nobody there to bankroll it.
If you didnt say anything initially because you thought the future may be bleak financially then i would tread carefully if I were you.
If he wants his money back all he has to do is sell all the players and have outgoings and barely operational costs and take a dividend on the yearly club profit to the level of his shares. he could strip the club bare and take what he is owed from the TV money and parachute money should relegation occur... And still sell the club. He can leave the club in almost a worse position that when he found it.
I said my piece at the time.
Why would I have to tread carefully?
But you didnt DO anything at the time.
If you all start going nuts at him to the point he sees his role at the club untenable or indeed that he is losing his customer base then he can do what I highlighted above. If it was down to financial hardship for the club why you didnt do anything initially - then it makes no sense to do so now as he could ruin the club.
Hell, he may just do it out of spite. Hes bonkers.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:14 pm
Liam! wrote:So you are saying it is potentially worse now?
If so, i agree.
However, i dont think it would come to that. Far more likely to sell everything to recoup investments, and hand the club over for a nominal fee.
Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:18 pm
Coco wrote:Liam! wrote:carlccfc wrote:Liam! wrote:carlccfc wrote:pauly_gee wrote:carlccfc wrote:I still want the idiot out of our club, if as expected he sacks Malky then it is time for Tan to stay away for good.
I have stayed very much down the middle and seen the arguments from both sides regarding Tan's rebranding but the way in which Tan is behaving and treating Mackay and in turn this club, for myself enough is enough.
Time to go Vincent.
Carl,
Can you clarify something for me? If Tan were to leave, what happens to the club financially? As major shareholder, I understand he can't just walk away, or can he? What are the impacts on the club?
Paul, he will want his money back of course but he will never get every penny as nobody will pay what would be needed.
I am confident there will be somebody who will have a go at Cardiff City FC.
Of course with payments from the Premier League we could survive on that income but may have to cut our cloth accordingly if there was nobody there to bankroll it.
If you didnt say anything initially because you thought the future may be bleak financially then i would tread carefully if I were you.
If he wants his money back all he has to do is sell all the players and have outgoings and barely operational costs and take a dividend on the yearly club profit to the level of his shares. he could strip the club bare and take what he is owed from the TV money and parachute money should relegation occur... And still sell the club. He can leave the club in almost a worse position that when he found it.
I said my piece at the time.
Why would I have to tread carefully?
But you didnt DO anything at the time.
If you all start going nuts at him to the point he sees his role at the club untenable or indeed that he is losing his customer base then he can do what I highlighted above. If it was down to financial hardship for the club why you didnt do anything initially - then it makes no sense to do so now as he could ruin the club.
Hell, he may just do it out of spite. Hes bonkers.
As a billionaire yes , he could just walk away , in fact he could do more or less woteva takes his fancy !
However , it seems to me he has certain highly-placed friends in Malaysian Govt circles ! He also seems concerned about his global reputation ! Mixing with those at such a level could pose problems if he's seen to be an absolute crack-pot or 'bonkers' as you say !
He has to tread carefully here , unless he's planning on withdrawing from society , the way he's dealing with Cardiff City has not gone unnoticed back home in Malaysia ! The wider the coverage and the greater the condemnation of his actions and indeed our reactions might just not be in his best interests !
I suppose it comes down to how much of a crack-pot he is !
I'm happy to take the gamble of a Tan-less City rather than continue to allow our club to lurch from embarrassing crisis to embarrassing crisis under his control ! TAN OUT !
Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:31 pm
soulofthesea wrote:Coco wrote:Liam! wrote:carlccfc wrote:Liam! wrote:carlccfc wrote:pauly_gee wrote:carlccfc wrote:I still want the idiot out of our club, if as expected he sacks Malky then it is time for Tan to stay away for good.
I have stayed very much down the middle and seen the arguments from both sides regarding Tan's rebranding but the way in which Tan is behaving and treating Mackay and in turn this club, for myself enough is enough.
Time to go Vincent.
Carl,
Can you clarify something for me? If Tan were to leave, what happens to the club financially? As major shareholder, I understand he can't just walk away, or can he? What are the impacts on the club?
Paul, he will want his money back of course but he will never get every penny as nobody will pay what would be needed.
I am confident there will be somebody who will have a go at Cardiff City FC.
Of course with payments from the Premier League we could survive on that income but may have to cut our cloth accordingly if there was nobody there to bankroll it.
If you didnt say anything initially because you thought the future may be bleak financially then i would tread carefully if I were you.
If he wants his money back all he has to do is sell all the players and have outgoings and barely operational costs and take a dividend on the yearly club profit to the level of his shares. he could strip the club bare and take what he is owed from the TV money and parachute money should relegation occur... And still sell the club. He can leave the club in almost a worse position that when he found it.
I said my piece at the time.
Why would I have to tread carefully?
But you didnt DO anything at the time.
If you all start going nuts at him to the point he sees his role at the club untenable or indeed that he is losing his customer base then he can do what I highlighted above. If it was down to financial hardship for the club why you didnt do anything initially - then it makes no sense to do so now as he could ruin the club.
Hell, he may just do it out of spite. Hes bonkers.
As a billionaire yes , he could just walk away , in fact he could do more or less woteva takes his fancy !
However , it seems to me he has certain highly-placed friends in Malaysian Govt circles ! He also seems concerned about his global reputation ! Mixing with those at such a level could pose problems if he's seen to be an absolute crack-pot or 'bonkers' as you say !
He has to tread carefully here , unless he's planning on withdrawing from society , the way he's dealing with Cardiff City has not gone unnoticed back home in Malaysia ! The wider the coverage and the greater the condemnation of his actions and indeed our reactions might just not be in his best interests !
I suppose it comes down to how much of a crack-pot he is !
I'm happy to take the gamble of a Tan-less City rather than continue to allow our club to lurch from embarrassing crisis to embarrassing crisis under his control ! TAN OUT !
good point..it might effect his social standing..........the question is.. how bonkers is he,or how much of a c**t....
seems the people shouting Tan out are of the mind he isnt that bonkers really, just a bluffer
Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:58 pm
CraigCCFC wrote:Far too many people support Malky rather than CCFC.
Rebrand - ok
Sack Malky - tan out.
Its laughable
Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:01 am
Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:04 am
Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:04 am
Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:09 am
gelefu wrote:I love Cardiff City. My first job was selling programmes at the club when I was a fifteen-year-old boy. I now live in China and only get to see games at Christmas when I come home, so what I am about to propose will really hurt me but I think it’s the only thing that we can do.
This is the best time in the history of the club to be a Cardiff fan yet we are being mocked far and wide. Mr. Tan must understand that we are extremely grateful for his investment in both the club and in our community. However, we also need him to understand our collective frustration. As we have seen with many clubs who’ve gone bankrupt or had to take on massive debts at the expense of new owners, songs, scarves, message board comments and even protests achieve nothing.
I therefore propose that every Cardiff fan foregoes their ticket on Boxing Day. A stadium with only away fans will make a united statement that will resonate around the world.
I understand that some people will fear that there is no way of being sure who, come the day will join me in my absence. To make things fair, I propose that unless we get 10,000 names and emails on the below document, we all attend and resign ourselves to what may come. If however, we can get 10,000 Bluebirds to pledge to being united in our absence then let’s carry out our inaction and send a message to the world.
If we succeed, I suggest that we carry on not attending until Mr. Tan states his public support for probably the greatest manager our club has even known.
I love my club, as I’m sure you do too. Only together can we save it.
Gareth Jones
Gelefu47@gmail.com
http://tinyurl.com/BoxingDayNoShowILoveCardiff