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Re: Mackay: Cornelius Not Ready

Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:14 pm

Leytonstoneblue wrote:
welshcitydragon wrote:Malky says he is not ready for the prem ! So why the fk did we buy him ? why the hell didn't we buy a striker we can use and lets face it , we really need ?


Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay says club record signing Andreas Cornelius still isn't ready for the Premier League.

The 20-year-old arrived in the summer from FC Copenhagen with a big reputation and a big price tag at £8million.

However, the young Dane - who suffered injury during pre-season - is yet to start a match for the club in the league and has been limited to just substitute appearances.

Despite his struggles, Mackay is happy to bide his time with Cornelius.

"He is here for the long-term. It's about him developing his awareness with the first-team," he told the Sunday Mirror.

"He was unlucky to suffer an injury but he was never going to be ready to hit the ground running.

"We paid a club record but £8million is not a lot for a striker in the Premier League.

"A striker who is ready to hit the ground running, like Roberto Soldado, would cost more than £20million




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If he is, a way off being ready, then I think that this signing was a big gamble and risk for a club in our position. I have no problem with the ambition of Malky and the club for backing him, but in hindsight it was probably a poor decision at this stage. The money would have been better invested on a proven Premiership loanee or risked it on someone like Jordan Rhodes, I think that even Ross McCormack would get close to double figures in this league.
Velonkya (sic) has turned out to be a turkey, I hope to God, for Malkys sake, Cornelius doesn't go the same way, or it may be a big factor in him losing his job :o


Velonka was brought in under malkys nose so he wasn't malkys mistake it was tans.

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:17 pm

Is the "Not Ready for PL" out of Malky's mouth or is it the journalist's headline?
I see a quote of "He was unlucky to suffer an injury but he was never going to be ready to hit the ground running" that looks like it could have been Malky. So maybe he is saying that he needs time to blend in with the team rather than he's not a PL player which the headline dramatically seems to declare.

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:26 pm

For a start malky has not said 'he is not ready for PL' So that's bullshit.
Secondly he has faith in odemwingy and campell, unless you get lucky your not guna bring in proven, young PL strikers for 8mill.
So stop Ya moaning were doing well and he's a promising prospect

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:31 pm

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:I wouldn't trust Malkys with 8 quid let alone 8 million it's no wonder Tan fucked Iain Moody off.
Ireally don't understand your hatred with Malky. Cornelius may well prove to be worth every penny of the 8 million in time. Malky's signings have taken us up to the Premiership and he's signed several players who are now at least triple the amount we initially paid for them. The only poor signing Malky has made is Velikonja. You can't really say Brayford is a poor signing because he has Theo ahead of him and all of Malky's other signings have contributed to get us to where we are now.Malky initially took us over with only 10 players, he has built his own squad, taken us to a cup final and playoffs in his first season and we won the Championship in Malky's second season. We are currently 15th with a string of winnable home games approaching. We have already played Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton at home. With our other 3 home games against teams outside of last seasons top 6, we have won 2 of them. I don't know what else Malky has to do and your comment of "I wouldn't trust Malkys with 8 quid let alone 8 million" is baffling.
This is what annoys me about you MAs (Malky Apologists) you just wont recognise anything he does wrong.I mean, John Brayford not a bad signing ffs :lol: Before we signed KTC he preffered Conolly, a centre half at right back. A complete waste of 1m+. Then you try and justify blowing 8m on a gamble for the future when we are crying out for that position to be filled in the present. We are newly promoted club we are not Man City that 8m could and should have been used elsewhere if the Dane isnt up to it.
Elsewhere on the thread people rolling out the old "Velonjka wasnt a Malky signing" even though he said he scouted him at Watford :roll:
And who these "several players who have tripled in value"

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:33 pm

Oh and also I forgot the excuses made for him when the team performs shit like some phantom sickness illness :lol:

Ill start cutting the Anti-football Christ some slack when you MAs recognise he is not the messiah.

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:44 pm

Mario you're a genius! I like you're intelligent thinking and straight talking!

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:01 pm

I'm yet to find/work out a newly promoted team who has had a manager that thinks £8mil for a striker is not a lot of money for a striker who has hit the ground running.

A few things are becoming more and more apparent - Iain Moody was dispensed of because of signings like this, Brayford, Velikonja & Lappin.

Malky is digging a very big hole for himself with these comments.

If, Cornelius confidence was low before yesterday, Malky's man management here has battered it.

Bellamy issue is concerning as well.

Bluebirds!

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:03 pm

City Slicker wrote:Mario you're a genius! I like you're intelligent thinking and straight talking!



Pull your tongue out of his arse ffs!


As for players who have tripled in value, mutch would be the obvious one for me. Maybe ktc at the end of the season. Not sure about any others

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:08 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:I wouldn't trust Malkys with 8 quid let alone 8 million it's no wonder Tan fucked Iain Moody off.
Ireally don't understand your hatred with Malky. Cornelius may well prove to be worth every penny of the 8 million in time. Malky's signings have taken us up to the Premiership and he's signed several players who are now at least triple the amount we initially paid for them. The only poor signing Malky has made is Velikonja. You can't really say Brayford is a poor signing because he has Theo ahead of him and all of Malky's other signings have contributed to get us to where we are now.Malky initially took us over with only 10 players, he has built his own squad, taken us to a cup final and playoffs in his first season and we won the Championship in Malky's second season. We are currently 15th with a string of winnable home games approaching. We have already played Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton at home. With our other 3 home games against teams outside of last seasons top 6, we have won 2 of them. I don't know what else Malky has to do and your comment of "I wouldn't trust Malkys with 8 quid let alone 8 million" is baffling.
This is what annoys me about you MAs (Malky Apologists) you just wont recognise anything he does wrong.I mean, John Brayford not a bad signing ffs :lol: Before we signed KTC he preffered Conolly, a centre half at right back. A complete waste of 1m+. Then you try and justify blowing 8m on a gamble for the future when we are crying out for that position to be filled in the present. We are newly promoted club we are not Man City that 8m could and should have been used elsewhere if the Dane isnt up to it.
Elsewhere on the thread people rolling out the old "Velonjka wasnt a Malky signing" even though he said he scouted him at Watford :roll:
And who these "several players who have tripled in value"


Your spot on with a lot of what you have said there. I would love more than anything Malky being succesful at this club, however it's just as silly bending over backwards to find excuses for poor performances or signings as it is to be hyper critical of where we are in the league and calling for his head, when we lose a game. On Cornelius, it was a risk when we bought him, especially at £8million to a club like ours and is now turning out to be a gamble, the longer the season goes on and he doesn't feature. Some are pointing out his injury and he can't be rushed, so how come as soon as he was back to fitness he was on the bench? I didn't even notice him have a run in the development side to get up to speed? I might be wrong maybe someone can put me right? So, he goes straight into the squad and now gets 5 minutes here and there, is he going to progress quickly under those circumstances? Time will tell, but at the moment it feels like the wrong buy for a club in our position.

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:17 pm

Brayford was universally recognised as one of the best right backs in the championship for the last couple of seasons so for the £1.5 mill I think most teams would have took the gamble he could have made the step up.Unfortunately he wasn't good enough, that's how it goes some times
The Cornelius signing is a very strange one though especially with the way we play ,Malky needs to show faith and play him surely

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:22 pm

englishbluebird wrote:Brayford was universally recognised as one of the best right backs in the championship for the last couple of seasons so for the £1.5 mill I think most teams would have took the gamble he could have made the step up.Unfortunately he wasn't good enough, that's how it goes some times
The Cornelius signing is a very strange one though especially with the way we play ,Malky needs to show faith and play him surely

Not good enough? Hes never been given the chance to know either way.

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:27 pm

Christ the point I try ti make is simple really, Its why did we lash out 8mil on a striker that that months later we fined out is still not ready to make the step up. and from what Malky has said wont be for a while. After all its now we need strikers, not in the future when we are back in the championship let that time come first, and to keep it from coming, the only thing we need now is goals, and a few clean sheets. pure and simple.

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:29 pm

Maybe it's Malky's way of taking a bit of pressure off the lad. It's probably a bit too early to judge, given what we've seen of him, which isn't much. Saying that, Malky saying "He is here for the long-term. It's about him developing his awareness with the first-team," sounds a lot like the kind of guff he was saying about Velikonja when he first arrived....

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:40 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:Brayford was universally recognised as one of the best right backs in the championship for the last couple of seasons so for the £1.5 mill I think most teams would have took the gamble he could have made the step up.Unfortunately he wasn't good enough, that's how it goes some times
The Cornelius signing is a very strange one though especially with the way we play ,Malky needs to show faith and play him surely

Not good enough? Hes never been given the chance to know either way.


pre-season,in training and against west ham in the cup when he was woeful. Id rather Malky not pick a player not good enough than stick him in the team at premiership level and have the player be torn a new arsehole

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:47 pm

Cough cough Michu, Benteke,Cisse, Ba.

Great scout that Moody.

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:51 pm

englishbluebird wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:Brayford was universally recognised as one of the best right backs in the championship for the last couple of seasons so for the £1.5 mill I think most teams would have took the gamble he could have made the step up.Unfortunately he wasn't good enough, that's how it goes some times
The Cornelius signing is a very strange one though especially with the way we play ,Malky needs to show faith and play him surely

Not good enough? Hes never been given the chance to know either way.


pre-season,in training and against west ham in the cup when he was woeful. Id rather Malky not pick a player not good enough than stick him in the team at premiership level and have the player be torn a new arsehole

Stop making excuses for Malky he shouldnt have been signed full stop.

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:03 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:Brayford was universally recognised as one of the best right backs in the championship for the last couple of seasons so for the £1.5 mill I think most teams would have took the gamble he could have made the step up.Unfortunately he wasn't good enough, that's how it goes some times
The Cornelius signing is a very strange one though especially with the way we play ,Malky needs to show faith and play him surely

Not good enough? Hes never been given the chance to know either way.


pre-season,in training and against west ham in the cup when he was woeful. Id rather Malky not pick a player not good enough than stick him in the team at premiership level and have the player be torn a new arsehole

Stop making excuses for Malky he shouldnt have been signed full stop.


Careful polo you will be called pro-red and pro-Tan if you dare say anything about Malky. Oh and a new fan.

If Dave Jones spent 8 million on a Cornelius he would be slated to high heaven.

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:10 pm

Oh I am fully aware of the forum rules Maccy thats why I rarely post these days.

All opinions welcome but no slagging off Malky or Sam, and no giving any credit to DJ or Tan.

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:18 pm

maccydee wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:Brayford was universally recognised as one of the best right backs in the championship for the last couple of seasons so for the £1.5 mill I think most teams would have took the gamble he could have made the step up.Unfortunately he wasn't good enough, that's how it goes some times
The Cornelius signing is a very strange one though especially with the way we play ,Malky needs to show faith and play him surely

Not good enough? Hes never been given the chance to know either way.


pre-season,in training and against west ham in the cup when he was woeful. Id rather Malky not pick a player not good enough than stick him in the team at premiership level and have the player be torn a new arsehole

Stop making excuses for Malky he shouldnt have been signed full stop.


Careful polo you will be called pro-red and pro-Tan if you dare say anything about Malky. Oh and a new fan.

If Dave Jones spent 8 million on a Cornelius he would be slated to high heaven.


not by me he wont stop shit stirring

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:22 pm

So because I wont blow bubbles up Malkys arse I am a shit stirrer? :lol:

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:22 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
englishbluebird wrote:Brayford was universally recognised as one of the best right backs in the championship for the last couple of seasons so for the £1.5 mill I think most teams would have took the gamble he could have made the step up.Unfortunately he wasn't good enough, that's how it goes some times
The Cornelius signing is a very strange one though especially with the way we play ,Malky needs to show faith and play him surely

Not good enough? Hes never been given the chance to know either way.


pre-season,in training and against west ham in the cup when he was woeful. Id rather Malky not pick a player not good enough than stick him in the team at premiership level and have the player be torn a new arsehole

Stop making excuses for Malky he shouldnt have been signed full stop.


im not hes clearly a bad signing and in hindsight malky and the scouting team have made a mistake but not every signing will hit the ground running and its not as if brayford was a sunday league player before he came here

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:24 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:So because I wont blow bubbles up Malkys arse I am a shit stirrer? :lol:


not you,the fella who seems to think im suddenly going to label people pro red etc who don't agree with me
he seems to want to blow bubbles up your arse if anything

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:27 pm

englishbluebird wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:So because I wont blow bubbles up Malkys arse I am a shit stirrer? :lol:


not you,the fella who seems to think im suddenly going to label people pro red etc who don't agree with me
he seems to want to blow bubbles up your arse if anything

Fair enough :thumbup:

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:29 pm

Whilst Malky has made some quality signings, his record of signing strikers is mediocre at best..

Malky's great - his style of play might not be very pleasing on the eye, but he's doing exactly what he's asked of him at the moment - keeping out of the bottom 3.

The Cornelius signing is a bizarre one - along with one or two others, but he's also brought some top quality players to this club.

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:33 pm

I remember everyone saying the same about kadeem Harris. Wait and see what unfolds.

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:41 pm

Bluebird_87 wrote:I remember everyone saying the same about kadeem Harris. Wait and see what unfolds.

He cost 100 times less :roll:

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:44 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
Bluebird_87 wrote:I remember everyone saying the same about kadeem Harris. Wait and see what unfolds.

He cost 100 times less :roll:


Irrelevant. Fans still moaned and groaned about signing him for the future, it's gone quiet now he's performing. I think it will be the same with Cornelius.

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:46 pm

Bluebird_87 wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
Bluebird_87 wrote:I remember everyone saying the same about kadeem Harris. Wait and see what unfolds.

He cost 100 times less :roll:


Irrelevant. Fans still moaned and groaned about signing him for the future, it's gone quiet now he's performing. I think it will be the same with Cornelius.

Of course its relevant when we are screaming out for a decent striker and the money has been blown on someone who is not ready.

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:54 pm

could malky just be trying to ease the pressure on the young lad. he obviously doesn't really see him just for the future cos he's been on the bench everytime he's fit. i don't think we are short of strikers, we are short of creativity. i know fraizer isn't a world class player but who are we expecting to be signing? we're a new prem team. i know the football is poor but there are the occasional glimpses of some decent stuff. polo, i know you've said before that u don't want him sacked u just wouldn't be bothered if he was. does that still stand?

Re: Malky Mackay: " Andreas Cornelius Not Ready "

Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:54 pm

could malky just be trying to ease the pressure on the young lad. he obviously doesn't really see him just for the future cos he's been on the bench everytime he's fit. i don't think we are short of strikers, we are short of creativity. i know fraizer isn't a world class player but who are we expecting to be signing? we're a new prem team. i know the football is poor but there are the occasional glimpses of some decent stuff. polo, i know you've said before that u don't want him sacked u just wouldn't be bothered if he was. does that still stand?