MANY WONT AGREE WITH ME

Whitts was shocking.
Really Really Bad.
His confidence has gone and I'd rather see Mutch as our play maker.


BTW Carl, are you related to Mesut Özil?

Sorry carl but those I spoke to after the game were all saying whittingham is not playing well enough
And should be dropped
Even his set pieces are now not good enough
Malky negative substitutions and starting eleven could end up seeing us relegated
Cant agree that way draws are good enough especially at teams who are struggling
At stoke tonight if we had a go im sure we would have won they were definatly there to be taken

Here here steve

Peter Whittingham I said last season Whitts is not Premier League and I stand by it,We dropped Whitts last season and did well, drop Whits again please Malky, he is not good enough my strong opinion

I like Whitts but to be honest, his free kicks and corners have been terrible in the last few games - we wouldn't have scored against Swansea if Bellamy hadn't taken that corner...

Swansea are the only team we have played at home in the bottom 10 . We should bare this in mind .

Swansea are the only team we have played at home in the bottom 10 . We should bare this in mind .

thats all well and good but are we then putting pressure on oursleves to win the games against the lower ranked sides? a few draws will really put the pressure on the side and the manager.

I'm definitely with you on this one Carl. People must realise that this is must be a "safety first" season. We aren't going to turn into a Champions League team overnight!

We are good enough for this division, but only if we stick to the way we know. An away point against teams who are likely to be around us at the bottom of the table is perfectly acceptable.

People have been spoiled by the number of wins we got in a season at Championship level, and need to realise that this isn't going to happen now we're in with the big boys.

Let's trust Malky on this.

Swansea are the only team we have played at home in the bottom 10 . We should bare this in mind .

Or even bear this in mind

I'd like to see Tommy Smith in for Whitts

Do they have Specsavers in Dorset?

Swansea are the only team we have played at home in the bottom 10 . We should bare this in mind .

People are saying this like as if we are going to win every home game against the teams in the bottom half

Given our performances against these bottom half teams away from home, where we creae F*CK ALL (Fulham aside) then how people come to this conclusion I dont f*cking know.

People's expectations seem 2 have rocketed for some reason? We are in 15th place after 14 games, I think everyone would have taken that before the season started! Yes we could have won but a point at Stoke isn't a bad result. Palace is a massive game Saturday!

Also Whitts is the best player in our side at keeping the ball along with Medel, his set pieces are our best option in attack. Dropping him at the moment would be ridiculous

Whitts to be dropped

We cant pass the f*cking ball as it is lets drop one of the only two pkayers we have who are comfortable in posession

And whos dead balls have been a source of half our goals this season.

Strewth.

Got to disagree Polo - Whitts really was awful last night - set piece delivery was terrible and he gave the ball away countless times. He seems to be struggling to me at the moment - apart from Man Utd game, and a rest might do him good for a game or so.

Whitts to be dropped

We cant pass the f*cking ball as it is lets drop one of the only two pkayers we have who are comfortable in posession

And whos dead balls have been a source of half our goals this season.

Strewth.

Got to disagree Polo - Whitts really was awful last night - set piece delivery was terrible and he gave the ball away countless times. He seems to be struggling to me at the moment - apart from Man Utd game, and a rest might do him good for a game or so.

Yep he didnt play well last night, not many did, it didnt help Malky pushing him out wide but you cant drop him for one bad game for the likes of Gunnarson who cant pass water IMO.

Whitts was one of our best players against Arsenal and Man U when he is playing in the centre, making himself available, spreading the balls out wide.

People's expectations seem 2 have rocketed for some reason? We are in 15th place after 14 games, I think everyone would have taken that before the season started! Yes we could have won but a point at Stoke isn't a bad result. Palace is a massive game Saturday!

Sorry but whilst I dont expect to beat Stoke, when the game panned out as it did, you at least expect to make some changes and try and win it.

Stoke were as woeful as us yet we didnt even try and get at them. The game was crying out for Noone and / or Cornelius to come on.

Playing for 0-0's will not keep us in the league IMO.

We didnt even try for the 3 points, which is starting to become a common theme, and that is what is gripping peoples shit.

Swansea are the only team we have played at home in the bottom 10 . We should bare this in mind .

thats all well and good but are we then putting pressure on oursleves to win the games against the lower ranked sides? a few draws will really put the pressure on the side and the manager.

Did you think we were going to stroll through this league ?
Survival is our objective this year.

If Stoke away was the point that kept us up - It would have been a very good point indeed

Personally I think we were the better team and yes we could have won the game. That said, I agree with Carl, I would have taken a point before kick off. In fact my exact words were - "We need a minimum of 4 points from Stoke and Palace"

People's expectations seem 2 have rocketed for some reason? We are in 15th place after 14 games, I think everyone would have taken that before the season started! Yes we could have won but a point at Stoke isn't a bad result. Palace is a massive game Saturday!

Sorry but whilst I dont expect to beat Stoke, when the game panned out as it did, you at least expect to make some changes and try and win it.

Stoke were as woeful as us yet we didnt even try and get at them. The game was crying out for Noone and / or Cornelius to come on.

Playing for 0-0's will not keep us in the league IMO.

We didnt even try for the 3 points, which is starting to become a common theme, and that is what is gripping peoples shit.

I agree that last night as well as Villa, Hull we could have been more adventurous and gone for the win but as long as over the course of the season we stay out of the relegation zone I'll take that. I think as fans we seem 2 have different expectations, I'll take the points however they come & hope 2 build on that where as some seem 2 expect us 2 play like a more established PL side already.

who was whitts supposed to pass it to last night? Nobody was showing, or in space.

He needs to know where hes going to pass it before he has the ball, but nobody was reacting until it was far to late.

His set plays werent as good, but just knowing they are about to come in can often put the away team on edge as they know normally it could be a great ball.

have to stick with him and put footballers around him. the better players he plays with the better he becomes.

If Stoke away was the point that kept us up - It would have been a very good point indeed

Personally I think we were the better team and yes we could have won the game. That said, I agree with Carl, I would have taken a point before kick off. In fact my exact words were - "We need a minimum of 4 points from Stoke and Palace"

right, so by your own admission we need to win on saturday, but surely you can see that the way we set up gives us a poor chance of winning any away game?!

Whitts to be dropped

We cant pass the f*cking ball as it is lets drop one of the only two pkayers we have who are comfortable in posession

And whos dead balls have been a source of half our goals this season.

Strewth.

Got to disagree Polo - Whitts really was awful last night - set piece delivery was terrible and he gave the ball away countless times. He seems to be struggling to me at the moment - apart from Man Utd game, and a rest might do him good for a game or so.

Yep he didnt play well last night, not many did, it didnt help Malky pushing him out wide but you cant drop him for one bad game for the likes of Gunnarson who cant pass water IMO.


Whitts was one of our best players against Arsenal and Man U when he is playing in the centre, making himself available, spreading the balls out wide.

Have to agree , I like Gunnarson but I believe the Premier league is a step too far for him.

Swansea are the only team we have played at home in the bottom 10 . We should bare this in mind .

People are saying this like as if we are going to win every home game against the teams in the bottom half

Given our performances against these bottom half teams away from home, where we creae F*CK ALL (Fulham aside) then how people come to this conclusion I dont f*cking know.

I never said we would win every game did I ? And don't you think we create more chances at home ?

Swansea are the only team we have played at home in the bottom 10 . We should bare this in mind .

People are saying this like as if we are going to win every home game against the teams in the bottom half

Given our performances against these bottom half teams away from home, where we creae F*CK ALL (Fulham aside) then how people come to this conclusion I dont f*cking know.

I never said we would win every game did I ? And don't you think we create more chances at home ?

I am not talking about your one comment in isolation, many people are saying this like as if "Oh its ok we've got to play them at home" but given the way we are playing and not creating, then this is a serious concern.

I dont think we create more at home tbh, not just at this season either, but at home at the backend of last season, then I wouldnt get your hopes up with Malky in charge of playing any differently than setting out for a nil-nil and hoping to score off a corner.

This is what is concerning people.

Whitts to be dropped

We cant pass the f*cking ball as it is lets drop one of the only two pkayers we have who are comfortable in posession

And whos dead balls have been a source of half our goals this season.

Strewth.

Got to disagree Polo - Whitts really was awful last night - set piece delivery was terrible and he gave the ball away countless times. He seems to be struggling to me at the moment - apart from Man Utd game, and a rest might do him good for a game or so.

Yep he didnt play well last night, not many did, it didnt help Malky pushing him out wide but you cant drop him for one bad game for the likes of Gunnarson who cant pass water IMO.


Whitts was one of our best players against Arsenal and Man U when he is playing in the centre, making himself available, spreading the balls out wide.

Have to agree , I like Gunnarson but I believe the Premier league is a step too far for him.

I agree regarding Gunnarsson, but in my opinion Whitts has looked off the pace other than for Man Utd and the odd moment against Arsenal. Whether its the way we set up, the players around him or not, I think a couple of games rest wouldn't hurt him. Kimbo and Mutch worked well at the back end of last season and I'd like to see Malky give it a go - as I genuinely believe a rest would help Whitts too. Players get mentally tired and rotation seems to be the name of the game nowadays.

Swansea are the only team we have played at home in the bottom 10 . We should bare this in mind .

People are saying this like as if we are going to win every home game against the teams in the bottom half

Given our performances against these bottom half teams away from home, where we creae F*CK ALL (Fulham aside) then how people come to this conclusion I dont f*cking know.

I never said we would win every game did I ? And don't you think we create more chances at home ?

I am not talking about your one comment in isolation, many people are saying this like as if "Oh its ok we've got to play them at home" but given the way we are playing and not creating, then this is a serious concern.

I dont think we create more at home tbh, not just at this season either, but at home at the backend of last season, then I wouldnt get your hopes up with Malky in charge of playing any differently than setting out for a nil-nil and hoping to score off a corner.

This is what is concerning people.

Polo I'm in agreement with you, what makes people think we will beat them at home? We set out not to lose, they will be same at our place! Same as palace ect ect don't exactly have prolific goalscorer at moment think we're going to be fighting to the end of season to avoid relegation.

Polo and Pembroke Al agree. Mark the date.

Swansea are the only team we have played at home in the bottom 10 . We should bare this in mind .

People are saying this like as if we are going to win every home game against the teams in the bottom half

Given our performances against these bottom half teams away from home, where we creae F*CK ALL (Fulham aside) then how people come to this conclusion I dont f*cking know.

I never said we would win every game did I ? And don't you think we create more chances at home ?

I am not talking about your one comment in isolation, many people are saying this like as if "Oh its ok we've got to play them at home" but given the way we are playing and not creating, then this is a serious concern.

I dont think we create more at home tbh, not just at this season either, but at home at the backend of last season, then I wouldnt get your hopes up with Malky in charge of playing any differently than setting out for a nil-nil and hoping to score off a corner.

This is what is concerning people.

Polo I'm in agreement with you, what makes people think we will beat them at home? We set out not to lose, they will be same at our place! Same as palace ect ect don't exactly have prolific goalscorer at moment think we're going to be fighting to the end of season to avoid relegation.

I think it's pretty ironic that Stoke sacked Pulis for not taking the club forward with his brand of football .Even thou many thought he did a brilliant job keeping them in the Premier for so many years. ... Maybe this will be us in the not too distant future.

A point is a point granted but the opportunity to win away games in the PL are scarce. The list of away matches post Palace is scary. Watching yet another tactically negative display last night was frustrating because like at Villa, on the hour a more adventurous substitution than a like for like one could have garnered 3 points because TBH Stoke were average, and their defence was never really tested.

The point will look good only if City get 3 on Saturday.

City have to be more positive there, and got for the win.

A point is a point granted but the opportunity to win away games in the PL are scarce. The list of away matches post Palace is scary. Watching yet another tactically negative display last night was frustrating because like at Villa, on the hour a more adventurous substitution than a like for like one could have garnered 3 points because TBH Stoke were average, and their defence was never really tested.

The point will look good only if City get 3 on Saturday.

City have to be more positive there, and got for the win.

Don't be surprised if the set up is the same.
Palace are already showing signs of improvement.

Swansea are the only team we have played at home in the bottom 10 . We should bare this in mind .

People are saying this like as if we are going to win every home game against the teams in the bottom half

Given our performances against these bottom half teams away from home, where we creae F*CK ALL (Fulham aside) then how people come to this conclusion I dont f*cking know.

Totally agree Mario Why our fans aren't capable of understanding that all these clubs will be coming to CCS to nick a draw, I really don't know On the evidence we saw last season, teams that came and played for a draw usually got it, as we did not have enough attacking threat to break them down. Its no coincidence that our worst performance at home was against Newcastle, a game where on paper we would have expected to pick up 3 points, yet we lost it in the first half because we had to have a go at them, which left us open.

People can't keep saying we done have a devine right to beat these teams, while your right if we keep going into these games with this attitude it will result in a bottle 3 finish.

A point away is always a good result but it's concerning the way we are setting up and against a pretty poor stoke team.

Big game for malky saturday, lose setting up defensively against Palace and I think we need to be asking questions.