' CARDIFF CITY TAKE ACTION AGAINST OUR FANS '

Let the pro-red lobby follow their leader and stand all game .... the Bluebirds can sit , like it, lump it or follow Ely Rangers ! ; )

Its not just the ninian stand its up the back of the canton stand aswel theres a group of a dozen lads every game stand on the gangway and sometimes stand in front of people including myself with no respect for us i had a word with the steward the untd game ay ht they told the main steward who checked tickets on entry to the stand but they all tex each other to meet there and whenever stewards ask them to move they get threatened or even beer thrown over them coz the stewards arent man enuf to stand up to these idiots and when a bloke did stand up against them it resulted in some vety heated pushing and shoving and i guarentee somebody will get hurt if it continues its nit rocket science just have some balls get up there make them move or take their cards off them and sell it to somebody who wants to actually watch the games

I've posted on this issue loads of times. Why should i move down the front, where you get wet when it rains, from the seat I've had since the stadium opened, just so someone behind me can stand. Almost every stander posting back on these threads ignores the fact that they could just move to the Canton.

it's always someone else's fault, a steward, a legitimate sitter, club policy or Vincent Tans. Never the knobs who spoil the match for people sitting behind them. It's not just 117, standing is spreading to 116 and 115 and not because people want to stand. When 117 stands, loads of people in the other sections can't see sections of the pitch down the touchline. If the club took a survey across the whole of the Ninian very few (just a couple of hundred max) would want standing. Not that the ignorant minority would hold with a democratic result anyway.

I've posted on this issue loads of times. Why should i move down the front, where you get wet when it rains, from the seat I've had since the stadium opened, just so someone behind me can stand. Almost every stander posting back on these threads ignores the fact that they could just move to the Canton.

it's always someone else's fault, a steward, a legitimate sitter, club policy or Vincent Tans. Never the knobs who spoil the match for people sitting behind them. It's not just 117, standing is spreading to 116 and 115 and not because people want to stand. When 117 stands, loads of people in the other sections can't see sections of the pitch down the touchline. If the club took a survey across the whole of the Ninian very few (just a couple of hundred max) would want standing. Not that the ignorant minority would hold with a democratic result anyway.

The club are never going to win. It's not like there's about 20 people standing who they can ban, it's literally the whole block and it's been like that since the stadium opened.

Ian is right, the "complaints" are coming from fans in the minority. The vast majority want to stand in that area.

I understand that standing creates a great atmosphere but I was at the last home game of last season and didn't have a choice of where to sit so we ended up next to the away fans in the last but one row. I hardly saw any of the game because I'm unable to stand for a long period of time so my particular experience on that occasion wasn't great. However that was the night we were promoted so all the bad stuff went away! I think it would be good to have designated standing areas and people who choose to go into those areas are aware of the fact. Hopefully my next visit will be a more pleasant experience!

The last home game of the season was played in daylight and we had already been promoted the game before at home.

Nice try Roathie, not bad for a person thick as two short planks.

A couple of blocks by the away fans should be allowed to stand. And the rest zhould be sitting zone.

I think the club are being fair. Our seats were in that part of the ground until we heard that we would be allowed to stand in Canton and so we all moved over...As much as I love to stand I do realise that some fans enjoying sitting and watching the game. Its ntot great for the atmosphere, but as a supporter when you buy a season ticket the club has a responsibility to you to maximise your pleasure on matchday experience - if that means upsetting those that want to stand then move to the Canton - its a great stand and the one that generates the best atmosphere..

Yes we would still like to be near the away fans and be involved in the banter etc. but you cant have everything and the club is trying to please ALL its fans which is difficult..

My view may not be popular, but I think its fair. and its the only option we have I'll take standing in the Canton over sitting anywhere else.

Finally I think we are lucky to have people who work on fans behalf and get us the standing areas...

Lee.

Who is in the right?

Not the club.

Are the Club being fair ?

No they are not taking stock of the whole situation but are trying to impose their own rule which in my mind is not the right one.

The Club are getting complaints,so should they act on these complaints or not?

How many complaints in proportion to how many STs in that area? If it was above 50% then the club are acting in the right way. However I believe it is well below that and is the reason they are having to return to this all the time.

If the Club are saying sit down, then surely it should be for every game?

Yes if that is the rule with the "customers" approval but its not is it?

Should the club leave this section alone?

In my opinion yes and those who want to sit should move as I believe they are the minority in that section.

Should the club now continue where they started yesterday?

No they need to go back to the drawing board and revisit the situation. Perhaps have a survey amongst the fans in that area and see what they want as customers.

Nice to see you highlight your answers in red!

I think the club have provided choice for our fans by allowing a standing area,that choice must also be offered to those that want to sit. you can not compare home and away ends because away fans only come to us once a season and can't be dealt with in any safe way the same applies to our fans at away games.
letters will be sent out to warn fans in advance of bans is something that will happen to allow everyone a chance but the only real outcome could be a total ban on all standing,including the Canton if control is lost in other areas of the stadium...the safety advisory group have been very fair to us but they have the power to impose huge restrictions on the club if they want to be awkward.
I would say the atmosphere is much better when standing is allowed but also the fans that stand in the Grange are being selfish and risking the tolerance of standing in the Canton...we have a choice at the moment don't risk losing it.

Hi Corky ,
First of all I have total respect on your involvement within the club and I know you sit on other boards and including the " safe standing campaign"
Could you please answer me the following question.
Are the club breaking the Gov.regs by allowing supporters to stand in the Canton?
If not , why not designate other parts of the stadium for standing?

Just had this reply on my FB wall
Neil Hasson
they made us sit down in part of the canton stand too ,like you say ,it took the atmosphere away

Maybe fans are not allowed to stand in the Canton ?
In the Prem and our games are being seen each week on the TV by millions of scrutinising eyes.

Haven't we been in the media lately for our atmosphere in our televised games.

It is a long and complicated answer Dicey but you should refer to our FSF website

http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/safe-st ... -standing/

The SAG is responsible for safety at our stadium and they have been very fair to us.

The Safety at Sports Grounds Act 1975 and the Fire Safety and Safety of Places of Sport Act 1987 aim to secure the safety of people attending sports grounds. Lord Justice Taylor's Report of 1989 into the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster made a number of recommendations to further those aims. Local authorities were advised to set up safety advisory groups to co-ordinate the roles of the council, the emergency services, the sports ground managers and other interested authorities involved with the management of spectator safety at sporting events.
Building Control takes on a pivotal role within Cardiff's Safety Advisory Group, dealing with one of the country's most diverse set of sporting venues, including:
• The Millennium Stadium
• Cardiff City Stadium (Cardiff City AFC)
• Cardiff Arms Park (Cardiff Rugby FC)
• SWALEC Stadium Sophia Gardens (Glamorgan Cricket)
• Memorial Ground (Glamorgan Wanderers RFC)
Along with South Wales Police, the Fire Service, Wales Ambulance NHS Trust, the Football Licensing Authority and members of the council's Building Control, the various clubs co-ordinate activities to maintain the high standards of safety that we all expect.


Many supporters believe that it is illegal to stand at football matches in the Premier League or Championship but this is not actually the case. Although clubs are allowed to throw you out if you refuse to sit. Confused? You're not the only one. Read on for a full explanation as to the law on standing and how it is implemented in all-seater stadiums.
THE LAW ON STANDING AREAS
• The legislation relating to standing in football grounds derives from section 11 of the Football Spectators Act 1989: ‘The Secretary of State may, by order, direct the licensing authority to include in any licence to admit spectators to any specified premises a condition imposing requirements as respects the seating of spectators at designated football matches at the premises; and it shall be the duty of the authority to comply with the direction.’
• Initially it was planned that all Football League clubs should convert to all-seater status. This was subsequently amended to include just the top two divisions. A similar amendment to allow standing in the Premier League and Championship is also quite possible and would not need a new Act of Parliament.
• In England and Wales, standing is permitted at rugby union and rugby league venues, as well as at speedway and horse-racing. It is also permitted at football grounds outside the top two divisions. We see no justification why top level football clubs should be treated differently.
THE LAW ON STANDING IN ALL-SEATED GROUNDS
• Ever since the introduction of all-seater stadia, many supporters have continued to stand in front of their seats, often for the duration of the game.
• It is widely believed that this practice is illegal. This is not the case, even within Premier League and Championship grounds. The law only provides that these clubs should provide seats for all supporters, not that supporters must sit on them.
• The point is confirmed by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport: ‘At no point has it been argued that the individual spectator commits a criminal offence by standing in a seated area’ (Source: Letter to Football Supporters’ Federation, 2008)
• Standing in seated areas, is, however, contrary to ground regulations. For example, the Football League’s model set of ground regulations states: ‘Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the ground’.
• It is notable that the two rules are contradictory, the first bars all ‘standing’, the second only ‘persistent standing’. In practice, standing to go to the toilet or snack bar and standing at ‘moments of excitement’ is permitted. The boundary between ‘moments of excitement’ and ‘persistent’ is rather grey and open to very wide interpretation.
• Dr Steve Frosdick is an independent safety expert who has worked in sports grounds across Europe for more than 20 years. He says that standing at the Cardiff City Stadium is neither illegal, nor inherently unsafe, and can be managed to suit the needs of those who prefer to sit or stand. The club agree and have since formalised this approach
• Read more here

Dr Steve Frosdick is an independent safety expert who has worked in sports grounds across Europe for more than 20 years. He explains why standing at the Cardiff City Stadium is neither illegal, nor inherently unsafe, and how it can be managed to suit the needs of those who prefer to sit or stand...
In 2001 Cardiff City was a near bankrupt club in an antiquated stadium with infamous supporters. In 2013, it is an award-winning and customer-friendly business with broadly well-behaved fans.
The club’s whole ethos is about recognising the diversity of its customer base and delivering to its legitimate expectations. Hence there is a Family Stand, excellent hosting of away fans, premium areas and a stand for the noisier fans who create most of the atmosphere.
As is common in many grounds, this latter group wanted to stay standing throughout the match. Stadium Manager Wayne Nash faced a dilemma.
In one area of the ground, pockets of persistent standing were bringing huge complaints from fans who wanted to sit down. Yet in the noisy Canton Stand, almost everyone was stood up behind their seats. To begin with, it seemed sensible to allow spectators an informal choice. Standing would be tolerated and managed in the Canton Stand, but actively discouraged elsewhere.
But Wayne Nash wanted to go further, to clarify the legality and safety of what was being done and then to formalise it. After consulting fans representatives and the authorities he asked me to examine the arrangements and prepare a report.
The report confirmed the view that persistent standing at the Cardiff City Stadium was neither illegal nor inherently unsafe. Accordingly, the club notified the authorities that all such standing would be channelled into a well-managed area in the Canton Stand.
The corollary was that standing would not be tolerated in any other parts of the ground. Fans had the choice of relocating to the managed area or sitting down. This new policy provided fans with a fair choice and was approved by fans’ representatives.
Cardiff City deserves credit for being the first stadium to officially formalise this approach to persistent standing. The solution was specific to the stadium and its fans but the general principles must surely be applicable to other grounds.

CRIMINAL AND CIVIL LAW
• There are two types of law, criminal law and civil law.
• Criminal laws are offences against the state (‘illegal acts’), such as smoking in enclosed public places. Police may become involved with enforcing criminal laws.
• Civil laws are contracts between two parties, such as agreements to purchase home insurance.
• The ground regulations of a club (including the ban on persistent standing) form a contract between the supporter and the club. Entering the stadium is a tacit agreement to accept the ground regulations.
• By standing, the supporter is in breach of that contract. This is a civil, not a criminal matter.
• Therefore, a supporter cannot be arrested simply for standing. For that reason, it is not a matter that the police should be involved in, unless (for example) a supporter assaults a steward asking to get people to sit down; that would be a criminal offence.
STANDING IN SEATED AREAS – CLUB APPROACHES
• Since standing is an issue between clubs and supporters, it is up to individual clubs how they deal with it.
• Certain clubs are very strict in attempting to tackle this practice, taking measures such as ejecting people who stand. These practices can create significant public order problems, while there is little evidence of them being effective.
• Other clubs take a more relaxed approach to this, particularly where it is not causing problems.‘We take a somewhat relaxed view on (standing) provided the individuals are not causing annoyance to other spectators or obstructing other spectators views.’ (Club safety officer in correspondence with FSF member)
• ‘A measure of persistent standing should be tolerated” (Premier League chief executive – Source: FLA board minutes, May 2006)
• Pending more formal revision of the regulations relating to standing, we support sensible approaches such as these as a way of improving the matchday experience for supporters and stewards alike.
WHAT IS THE GOVERNMENT'S STANCE?
The people with the power to lift the legislation that stops standing in the top two divisions of football in England and Wales are the Government, through the Department of Culture, Media and Sport. Their view is as follows:
“We accept that some supporters miss the tradition, character and history of some of our former grounds and many are in favour of the return of standing areas. It is generally accepted, however, that the majority of football grounds are safer and more comfortable than they were twenty years ago.
“Before any change in the legislation, there would have to be a very clear demand, as well as very clear evidence that any such change meets stringent safety standards, presented from all the relevant authorities responsible for stadium safety, including the police, as well as it being clear that this is something that all parties want.”
The Football Supporters’ Federation agrees that great improvements have been made to both the infrastructure of football stadia and the management of football supporters over the past 20 years, but find no evidence linking the improvements in safety to standing itself.
Successive governments have agreed that standing can be made safe (it's allowed below the Championship) and we believe the debate can only be moved on by a small number of trials of new safe standing technology aimed at collecting real data that can be used to determine whether standing at football is safe.

People making valid points. But people saying the rules are you all have to sit is nonsense. They all stand in the away end and canton (and tan) so the club is turning a blind eye. So it's a bit hypocritical to ask us in the Ninnian to sit. People are complaining but why do these people sit by the away fans. It's common sence that this area will have standing. They should move as this happens in all grounds.

Malky and boys need every bit of help and assistance to stay in premier league this season and every time we are allowed to stand in the ninian it creates abetter atmosphere in the ground helping the team. We all stand because we want to help the team by creating the best possible atmosphere for our team and to intimidate the opposition and drown out the away fans. The inconsitency is baffling? How come it's ok to stand v man city, jacks and utd but sit down v arsenal ? We all stand and that's reason we sit in these 2 blocks. The team need our help to build an atmosphere in the games against the so called weaker teams if there are any in premiership so we can pick up the points we need to stay in this league. The stewards have a thankless task and it's not fair on them. Wayne Nash and 2others were stood in old tv gantry behind us in first half day commenting and making notes. This is pointless, Vincent tan can stand so why can't we - the loyal paying fans who love the team and have blindly backed them for many years. It's getting tense in our block now and it's gonna get out of hand soon. Can't understand why club can't leave us alone to enjoy what we have all wished for all our lives so we can create some atmosphere and help our team. I bet Malky and every single player knows the difference the fans make at home games, let's not go back to the quiet days we have had since we moved from ninian. As for moving seats to canton it's not that easy now we have so many season ticket holders, please cardiff city FC just turn a blind eye, a clear majority in top half of the 2blocks in question stand and want to stand. If we are made to sit down we will and every club will be singing where's your famous atmosphere at every game. Surely no one wants that as the we have been praised so much this season for our support and the noise we make by everyone. We are also an important link and dynamic in the ground as when we start or join in with the canton end singing , the family stand also joins in and then it gets whole ground going. That's not always case when canton sings at one end of ground in isolation sometimes.when all are fans are in tandem and all singing its incredible and what we are famous for. Let's not forget how important it is for Malky and the boys when we stand and sing our hearts out! Rant over looking forward to stand without hassle at Stoke on Wednesday!

Y don't they ask dick head tan to sit down
He stands all game

It is a long and complicated answer Dicey but you should refer to our FSF website

http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/safe-st ... -standing/

The SAG is responsible for safety at our stadium and they have been very fair to us.

The Safety at Sports Grounds Act 1975 and the Fire Safety and Safety of Places of Sport Act 1987 aim to secure the safety of people attending sports grounds. Lord Justice Taylor's Report of 1989 into the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster made a number of recommendations to further those aims. Local authorities were advised to set up safety advisory groups to co-ordinate the roles of the council, the emergency services, the sports ground managers and other interested authorities involved with the management of spectator safety at sporting events.
Building Control takes on a pivotal role within Cardiff's Safety Advisory Group, dealing with one of the country's most diverse set of sporting venues, including:
• The Millennium Stadium
• Cardiff City Stadium (Cardiff City AFC)
• Cardiff Arms Park (Cardiff Rugby FC)
• SWALEC Stadium Sophia Gardens (Glamorgan Cricket)
• Memorial Ground (Glamorgan Wanderers RFC)
Along with South Wales Police, the Fire Service, Wales Ambulance NHS Trust, the Football Licensing Authority and members of the council's Building Control, the various clubs co-ordinate activities to maintain the high standards of safety that we all expect.


Many supporters believe that it is illegal to stand at football matches in the Premier League or Championship but this is not actually the case. Although clubs are allowed to throw you out if you refuse to sit. Confused? You're not the only one. Read on for a full explanation as to the law on standing and how it is implemented in all-seater stadiums.
THE LAW ON STANDING AREAS
• The legislation relating to standing in football grounds derives from section 11 of the Football Spectators Act 1989: ‘The Secretary of State may, by order, direct the licensing authority to include in any licence to admit spectators to any specified premises a condition imposing requirements as respects the seating of spectators at designated football matches at the premises; and it shall be the duty of the authority to comply with the direction.’
• Initially it was planned that all Football League clubs should convert to all-seater status. This was subsequently amended to include just the top two divisions. A similar amendment to allow standing in the Premier League and Championship is also quite possible and would not need a new Act of Parliament.
• In England and Wales, standing is permitted at rugby union and rugby league venues, as well as at speedway and horse-racing. It is also permitted at football grounds outside the top two divisions. We see no justification why top level football clubs should be treated differently.
THE LAW ON STANDING IN ALL-SEATED GROUNDS
• Ever since the introduction of all-seater stadia, many supporters have continued to stand in front of their seats, often for the duration of the game.
• It is widely believed that this practice is illegal. This is not the case, even within Premier League and Championship grounds. The law only provides that these clubs should provide seats for all supporters, not that supporters must sit on them.
• The point is confirmed by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport: ‘At no point has it been argued that the individual spectator commits a criminal offence by standing in a seated area’ (Source: Letter to Football Supporters’ Federation, 2008)
• Standing in seated areas, is, however, contrary to ground regulations. For example, the Football League’s model set of ground regulations states: ‘Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the ground’.
• It is notable that the two rules are contradictory, the first bars all ‘standing’, the second only ‘persistent standing’. In practice, standing to go to the toilet or snack bar and standing at ‘moments of excitement’ is permitted. The boundary between ‘moments of excitement’ and ‘persistent’ is rather grey and open to very wide interpretation.
• Dr Steve Frosdick is an independent safety expert who has worked in sports grounds across Europe for more than 20 years. He says that standing at the Cardiff City Stadium is neither illegal, nor inherently unsafe, and can be managed to suit the needs of those who prefer to sit or stand. The club agree and have since formalised this approach
• Read more here

Dr Steve Frosdick is an independent safety expert who has worked in sports grounds across Europe for more than 20 years. He explains why standing at the Cardiff City Stadium is neither illegal, nor inherently unsafe, and how it can be managed to suit the needs of those who prefer to sit or stand...
In 2001 Cardiff City was a near bankrupt club in an antiquated stadium with infamous supporters. In 2013, it is an award-winning and customer-friendly business with broadly well-behaved fans.
The club’s whole ethos is about recognising the diversity of its customer base and delivering to its legitimate expectations. Hence there is a Family Stand, excellent hosting of away fans, premium areas and a stand for the noisier fans who create most of the atmosphere.
As is common in many grounds, this latter group wanted to stay standing throughout the match. Stadium Manager Wayne Nash faced a dilemma.
In one area of the ground, pockets of persistent standing were bringing huge complaints from fans who wanted to sit down. Yet in the noisy Canton Stand, almost everyone was stood up behind their seats. To begin with, it seemed sensible to allow spectators an informal choice. Standing would be tolerated and managed in the Canton Stand, but actively discouraged elsewhere.
But Wayne Nash wanted to go further, to clarify the legality and safety of what was being done and then to formalise it. After consulting fans representatives and the authorities he asked me to examine the arrangements and prepare a report.
The report confirmed the view that persistent standing at the Cardiff City Stadium was neither illegal nor inherently unsafe. Accordingly, the club notified the authorities that all such standing would be channelled into a well-managed area in the Canton Stand.
The corollary was that standing would not be tolerated in any other parts of the ground. Fans had the choice of relocating to the managed area or sitting down. This new policy provided fans with a fair choice and was approved by fans’ representatives.
Cardiff City deserves credit for being the first stadium to officially formalise this approach to persistent standing. The solution was specific to the stadium and its fans but the general principles must surely be applicable to other grounds.

CRIMINAL AND CIVIL LAW
• There are two types of law, criminal law and civil law.
• Criminal laws are offences against the state (‘illegal acts’), such as smoking in enclosed public places. Police may become involved with enforcing criminal laws.
• Civil laws are contracts between two parties, such as agreements to purchase home insurance.
• The ground regulations of a club (including the ban on persistent standing) form a contract between the supporter and the club. Entering the stadium is a tacit agreement to accept the ground regulations.
• By standing, the supporter is in breach of that contract. This is a civil, not a criminal matter.
• Therefore, a supporter cannot be arrested simply for standing. For that reason, it is not a matter that the police should be involved in, unless (for example) a supporter assaults a steward asking to get people to sit down; that would be a criminal offence.
STANDING IN SEATED AREAS – CLUB APPROACHES
• Since standing is an issue between clubs and supporters, it is up to individual clubs how they deal with it.
• Certain clubs are very strict in attempting to tackle this practice, taking measures such as ejecting people who stand. These practices can create significant public order problems, while there is little evidence of them being effective.
• Other clubs take a more relaxed approach to this, particularly where it is not causing problems.‘We take a somewhat relaxed view on (standing) provided the individuals are not causing annoyance to other spectators or obstructing other spectators views.’ (Club safety officer in correspondence with FSF member)
• ‘A measure of persistent standing should be tolerated” (Premier League chief executive – Source: FLA board minutes, May 2006)
• Pending more formal revision of the regulations relating to standing, we support sensible approaches such as these as a way of improving the matchday experience for supporters and stewards alike.
WHAT IS THE GOVERNMENT'S STANCE?
The people with the power to lift the legislation that stops standing in the top two divisions of football in England and Wales are the Government, through the Department of Culture, Media and Sport. Their view is as follows:
“We accept that some supporters miss the tradition, character and history of some of our former grounds and many are in favour of the return of standing areas. It is generally accepted, however, that the majority of football grounds are safer and more comfortable than they were twenty years ago.
“Before any change in the legislation, there would have to be a very clear demand, as well as very clear evidence that any such change meets stringent safety standards, presented from all the relevant authorities responsible for stadium safety, including the police, as well as it being clear that this is something that all parties want.”
The Football Supporters’ Federation agrees that great improvements have been made to both the infrastructure of football stadia and the management of football supporters over the past 20 years, but find no evidence linking the improvements in safety to standing itself.
Successive governments have agreed that standing can be made safe (it's allowed below the Championship) and we believe the debate can only be moved on by a small number of trials of new safe standing technology aimed at collecting real data that can be used to determine whether standing at football is safe.

Wow Corky! It must of taken you 3 hours to write up that.

Much appreciated , I'm now a little clearer

At the end of the day, it comes down to consistency. The club are more than happy for people to stand in the areas around block 117 when we want a big atmosphere (like against Swansea),

Let the pro-red lobby follow their leader and stand all game .... the Bluebirds can sit , like it, lump it or follow Ely Rangers ! ; )

whats this got to do with anti red,anti tan......we had stewards trying to get everyone to sit on the bob bank..long before any of us had heard of Tan or in our most horrible nightmares thought we would ever be playing at home in red.......

Saw a few guys who seemed to have an attitude problem with the stewards saturday, the club need to pick out a block of people, about 20/30 from the first ten rows or so and ban them for 5 matches.

Some of these people seem to think they can do what they want, but they cant

At the end of the day, it comes down to consistency. The club are more than happy for people to stand in the areas around block 117 when we want a big atmosphere (like against Swansea),

The club should want an atmosphere in every game.

Saw a few guys who seemed to have an attitude problem with the stewards saturday, the club need to pick out a block of people, about 20/30 from the first ten rows or so and ban them for 5 matches.

Some of these people seem to think they can do what they want, but they cant

i am a season ticket holder in the canton stand, i bought my ticket with the full knowledge that most likely the people in the row in front would stand..likewise the people who bought STs in these blocks in the Ninian, knew what was going to be happening , i dont understand why people do this complaining thing at all , awkward,small minded,picked on in school, want to be by the atmosphere but not PART of the atmosphere . this isnt new, since ive being going to football, different sorts of people went to different parts of the ground..now there is no trouble, you have these fools who want to say they are over by the away end,but just want to sit there like dummies..

Saw a few guys who seemed to have an attitude problem with the stewards saturday, the club need to pick out a block of people, about 20/30 from the first ten rows or so and ban them for 5 matches.

Some of these people seem to think they can do what they want, but they cant

i am a season ticket holder in the canton stand, i bought my ticket with the full knowledge that most likely the people in the row in front would stand..likewise the people who bought STs in these blocks in the Ninian, knew what was going to be happening , i dont understand why people do this complaining thing at all , awkward,small minded,picked on in school, want to be by the atmosphere but not PART of the atmosphere . this isnt new, since ive being going to football, different sorts of people went to different parts of the ground..now there is no trouble, you have these fools who want to say they are over by the away end,but just want to sit there like dummies..

before we even moved into the stadium it was common knowledge that there would be an area in the canton for standing, so people who bought tickets in 117/116 probably didnt expect it to the level it currently is.

i sit in 115 which is mostly ok unless the ball is in the corner, against man united a big part of 115 was standing throughout the game meaning it affects people in 114 etc etc. At the end of the day you are supposed to sit. Saw one guy in 116 who was standing when pretty much everyone else had been sat down, and he had this look on him that was "i will do what i want" starting to actually ban people is the only way they will listen

Saw a few guys who seemed to have an attitude problem with the stewards saturday, the club need to pick out a block of people, about 20/30 from the first ten rows or so and ban them for 5 matches.

Some of these people seem to think they can do what they want, but they cant

i am a season ticket holder in the canton stand, i bought my ticket with the full knowledge that most likely the people in the row in front would stand..likewise the people who bought STs in these blocks in the Ninian, knew what was going to be happening , i dont understand why people do this complaining thing at all , awkward,small minded,picked on in school, want to be by the atmosphere but not PART of the atmosphere . this isnt new, since ive being going to football, different sorts of people went to different parts of the ground..now there is no trouble, you have these fools who want to say they are over by the away end,but just want to sit there like dummies..

before we even moved into the stadium it was common knowledge that there would be an area in the canton for standing, so people who bought tickets in 117/116 probably didnt expect it to the level it currently is.

i sit in 115 which is mostly ok unless the ball is in the corner, against man united a big part of 115 was standing throughout the game meaning it affects people in 114 etc etc. At the end of the day you are supposed to sit. Saw one guy in 116 who was standing when pretty much everyone else had been sat down, and he had this look on him that was "i will do what i want" starting to actually ban people is the only way they will listen

the club has changed enough already..we wil be left with no atmosphere,as i said im towards the rear of the canton, around me there are many families,husband,wife 2 teenage kids, dont sing,wouldnt be seen dead in the old grange end, i do wonder why they are stood/sat where they are.......how long before whats happening with complaints in the Ninian works its way over to the canton?..back in the day it was simple..you went where you felt comfortable... people are going where the atmosphere is..but dont understand that to have an atmosphere they then have to contribute not complain.......or sit away from it..if i wanted to sit and watch 90mins..I WOULD MOVE

They shouldn't single out fans as there's hundreds who stand, if they ban 1 then they should ban a few hundred. so unfair in all ways

People say we knew what would happen.
I've been in 116 since we moved in to the stadium and this is the 1st season I've had a problem with persistent standing. I can't stand as I have a chronic back problem which leaves me in agony if I stand for long periods.
I sit with the same people that I have for years, we allsat together on the bob bank when the seating was introduced there.
Both the Swansea and Man Utd games were spoiled for me.
Is it fair for me to have to move from a seat I've always had and have to move away from the same 9 people I've sat with for years.
Btw we all went to Ninian Park together to buy our seats together in the new ground.

People say we knew what would happen.
I've been in 116 since we moved in to the stadium and this is the 1st season I've had a problem with persistent standing. I can't stand as I have a chronic back problem which leaves me in agony if I stand for long periods.
I sit with the same people that I have for years, we allsat together on the bob bank when the seating was introduced there.
Both the Swansea and Man Utd games were spoiled for me.
Is it fair for me to have to move from a seat I've always had and have to move away from the same 9 people I've sat with for years.
Btw we all went to Ninian Park together to buy our seats together in the new ground.

no terry its not fair.....but what i said is the truth,,i would move.. and infact am thinking of moving to this new upper tier next year because standing for the entire game is causing me discomfort, and not only is there no chance of getting everyone in front of me to sit, but also i do want the ground rocking.........

Once again it's all too predictable this thread. Who are some of you guys to suggest that I'm any less of a supporter than someone who stands. I shout and cheer, I have a go at the ref when I need to and I sing the songs with everyone else. I just want to do it sitting down with the same group I've sat with for years. Why do you have to stand to be a real 'Cardiff Supporter'. A quick look around the ground shows that most people sit. Are we now saying that the majority in the Ninian, Grandstand and Family Stand are not as loyal or enthusiastic as the FEW in block 117/116 who stand and block everones view.

Once again it's all too predictable this thread. Who are some of you guys to suggest that I'm any less of a supporter than someone who stands. I shout and cheer, I have a go at the ref when I need to and I sing the songs with everyone else. I just want to do it sitting down with the same group I've sat with for years. Why do you have to stand to be a real 'Cardiff Supporter'. A quick look around the ground shows that most people sit. Are we now saying that the majority in the Ninian, Grandstand and Family Stand are not as loyal or enthusiastic as the FEW in block 117/116 who stand and block everones view.

i really dont think that..and dont think others do either......of course those that sit are real.......but the ground and our club i think need an atmoshere.........Ninian park....the Canton stand was where ordinary joe public sat..then it became our end,,for a want of calling it anything else.........and then when people moved from the canton to the grandstand,the canton became the family stand........fans went where they felt comfortable.....i have sat and stood in stadia..and for atmosphere sitting doesnt cut it..........you know this.

i was in row A for arsenal so i seen and heard some of the stewards working out what seats certain fans were in and then writing it down in a book and saying they will be banned next game. to be fair the ones they were writing down, were the ones starting the chant stand up if you hate swansea.

its the section nearest the away fans, its where the best place for atmosphere to be produced it, in my opinion, they should allow standing in 117/8 and then sitting from there on, anyone sat in this area thats not happy should go to 116 and beyond, as said above i think there would be an extremely small minority that want to sit in 117/8

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