FAO of Jon Candy/Sian Branston

Lets clear something up here, it is not me who said there was racism at the march. I wasn't even there, I didn't see the march at all. I am going by accounts told on here by Chuckles et all.

As I said in my other post, there were one or two songs sing by a minority in the middle of the march. I never accused anyone in the organisation of being racist, so I don't know where that has come from.

The songs were at best extremely distasteful & at worst, racist.

Certainly not the sort of songs a protest group should be singing.

BU was about returning to blue - stick to that aim or you'll alienate others from your support. You can say until your blue in the face that you aren't about Tan Put, but when you've got a banner at the front saying"GO HOME" you can't claim not to be.

As for the small minority which sung those two songs I heard, I hope they regret it.

As I wrote yesterday, I was also on the march and, admittedly, spent most of my time in conversation but I heard nothing of a racist nature.

As I wrote yesterday, I was also on the march and, admittedly, spent most of my time in conversation but I heard nothing of a racist nature.

Alf chuckles said he heard racist chants.

just because people in the BU march didn't hear racist chants doesn't mean they weren't said, you cant hear every single one of the people on the march! I understand that BU committee is pissed of because they didn't hear it first hand but it doesn't mean it wasn't said it could of been one or two or a small group of people who done it but not everyone will pick up on it, all you got to do is see some idiots who are members on the facebook site with their racist remarks (not saying they represent BU or have anything to do with them but they have been on there) I think BU are more pissed off that its giving them more negative light and rightly so that they are pissed off but in every group there will always be idiots who will say they are for the cause and will be f*cking idiots

So the biggest supporter of the BU on this forum steps aside, and the BU move to discredit any comments and actions.

No surprises there then.

just because people in the BU march didn't hear racist chants doesn't mean they weren't said, you cant hear every single one of the people on the march! I understand that BU committee is pissed of because they didn't hear it first hand but it doesn't mean it wasn't said it could of been one or two or a small group of people who done it but not everyone will pick up on it, all you got to do is see some idiots who are members on the facebook site with their racist remarks (not saying they represent BU or have anything to do with them but they have been on there) I think BU are more pissed off that its giving them more negative light and rightly so that they are pissed off but in every group there will always be idiots who will say they are for the cause and will be f*cking idiots

Personally, I didn't hear anything but frankly, it's difficult to legislate for the odd racist idiot popping up anywhere. The point is, even if something was chanted of a racist nature, it's in no way, whatsoever, representative of BU as a group. It would be like branding Cardiff City FC as a racist club because one or two morons chanted something of a racist nature at a City match.

I'm also pretty sure that if anything racially offensive was chanted, the OB escorting the march would have been all over it.

Personally, I didn't hear anything but frankly, it's difficult to legislate for the odd racist idiot popping up anywhere. The point is, even if something was chanted of a racist nature, it's in no way, whatsoever, representative of BU as a group. It would be like branding Cardiff City FC as a racist club because one or two morons chanted something of a racist nature at a City match.

I'm also pretty sure that if anything racially offensive was chanted, the OB escorting the march would have been all over it.

You are right Phil & at no stage have I labeled BU as a group racist. What I did witness, however, was a minority of drunks singing songs that were extremely distasteful & could be construed as racist. This was in the middle of the group & as we walked into Canton... There were no police in ear shot.

Comments and songs about VTs appearance and dress & where he is from have no place in a protest march & I know Sian and others would be in agreement with me on that.

I can't say that it didn't happen though, as it did.

just because people in the BU march didn't hear racist chants doesn't mean they weren't said, you cant hear every single one of the people on the march! I understand that BU committee is pissed of because they didn't hear it first hand but it doesn't mean it wasn't said it could of been one or two or a small group of people who done it but not everyone will pick up on it, all you got to do is see some idiots who are members on the facebook site with their racist remarks (not saying they represent BU or have anything to do with them but they have been on there) I think BU are more pissed off that its giving them more negative light and rightly so that they are pissed off but in every group there will always be idiots who will say they are for the cause and will be f*cking idiots

Personally, I didn't hear anything but frankly, it's difficult to legislate for the odd racist idiot popping up anywhere. The point is, even if something was chanted of a racist nature, it's in no way, whatsoever, representative of BU as a group. It would be like branding Cardiff City FC as a racist club because one or two morons chanted something of a racist nature at a City match.

I'm also pretty sure that if anything racially offensive was chanted, the OB escorting the march would have been all over it.

"representative of BU as a group"Now there's a concept that needs explaining,tell me,what do you think it means and what does it represent.You'll do well to answer accurately as even John Candy seemed to be at a loss on this very forum last week.

Alf chuckles said it wasn't a march about blue it was a tan out march.Is this correct?

Alf chuckles said it wasn't a march about blue it was a tan out march.Is this correct?

How about forming your own opinion?

What would you call people marching along singing WE WANT TAN OUT?

Alf chuckles said it wasn't a march about blue it was a tan out march.Is this correct?

The stated aim (or words to that effect) on the flier was that it was a protest march, generally, against Tan's stewardship of the club and, of course, with the ultimate long term aim of seeing a return of Cardiff City's long established blue/bluebird identity.

Pretty much inevitable that a protest march would attract fans who want to see Tan sell up, because that, in effect, is all 'Tan out' means, as far as I'm concerned. Personally, I hope he does sell up too

Alf chuckles said it wasn't a march about blue it was a tan out march.Is this correct?

How about forming your own opinion?

What would you call people marching along singing WE WANT TAN OUT?

my question was to alf
Now your answering questions tell us what racist chants you heard.
Are you sure about the tan out chants because i think you confused about the racist chants.

just because people in the BU march didn't hear racist chants doesn't mean they weren't said, you cant hear every single one of the people on the march! I understand that BU committee is pissed of because they didn't hear it first hand but it doesn't mean it wasn't said it could of been one or two or a small group of people who done it but not everyone will pick up on it, all you got to do is see some idiots who are members on the facebook site with their racist remarks (not saying they represent BU or have anything to do with them but they have been on there) I think BU are more pissed off that its giving them more negative light and rightly so that they are pissed off but in every group there will always be idiots who will say they are for the cause and will be f*cking idiots

Personally, I didn't hear anything but frankly, it's difficult to legislate for the odd racist idiot popping up anywhere. The point is, even if something was chanted of a racist nature, it's in no way, whatsoever, representative of BU as a group. It would be like branding Cardiff City FC as a racist club because one or two morons chanted something of a racist nature at a City match.

I'm also pretty sure that if anything racially offensive was chanted, the OB escorting the march would have been all over it.

"representative of BU as a group"Now there's a concept that needs explaining,tell me,what do you think it means and what does it represent.You'll do well to answer accurately as even John Candy seemed to be at a loss on this very forum last week.

Ok, I'll humour you, BU are, of course, a group who's primary goal is a return of Cardiff City's long established identity. I would suggest that BU represent the fans that have actively attended/participated their, generally, very well organised events.

Alf chuckles said it wasn't a march about blue it was a tan out march.Is this correct?

How about forming your own opinion?

What would you call people marching along singing WE WANT TAN OUT?

my question was to alf
Now your answering questions tell us what racist chants you heard.
Are you sure about the tan out chants because i think you confused about the racist chants.

But you mentioned me, so I've commented.

You really are a very strange & bizarre troll. It has nothing to do with you. You're looking to stir & that's all, therefore - I won't be giving you the pleasure.

These so called racist comments that only you heard
Maybe you should have spoken to Bu before shooting your mouth off ,now you owe another apology this time to Bu.Your certainly racking up the apology's.

These so called racist comments that only you heard
Maybe you should have spoken to Bu before shooting your mouth off ,now you owe another apology this time to Bu.Your certainly racking up the apology's.

I owe nobody an apology. Funny that someone else has now backed up my claims too.



You're going on ignore, you mindless troll.

These so called racist comments that only you heard
Maybe you should have spoken to Bu before shooting your mouth off ,now you owe another apology this time to Bu.Your certainly racking up the apology's.

I owe nobody an apology. Funny that someone else has now backed up my claims too.



You're going on ignore, you mindless troll.

Who's backed you up?
The biggest troll on here calling me a troll.

just because people in the BU march didn't hear racist chants doesn't mean they weren't said, you cant hear every single one of the people on the march! I understand that BU committee is pissed of because they didn't hear it first hand but it doesn't mean it wasn't said it could of been one or two or a small group of people who done it but not everyone will pick up on it, all you got to do is see some idiots who are members on the facebook site with their racist remarks (not saying they represent BU or have anything to do with them but they have been on there) I think BU are more pissed off that its giving them more negative light and rightly so that they are pissed off but in every group there will always be idiots who will say they are for the cause and will be f*cking idiots

Personally, I didn't hear anything but frankly, it's difficult to legislate for the odd racist idiot popping up anywhere. The point is, even if something was chanted of a racist nature, it's in no way, whatsoever, representative of BU as a group. It would be like branding Cardiff City FC as a racist club because one or two morons chanted something of a racist nature at a City match.

I'm also pretty sure that if anything racially offensive was chanted, the OB escorting the march would have been all over it.

"representative of BU as a group"Now there's a concept that needs explaining,tell me,what do you think it means and what does it represent.You'll do well to answer accurately as even John Candy seemed to be at a loss on this very forum last week.

Ok, I'll humour you, BU are, of course, a group who's primary goal is a return of Cardiff City's long established identity. I would suggest that BU represent the fans that have actively attended/participated their, generally, very well organised events.

If you don't want to answer thats fine mate Actually those brain dead morons out side the ground gave a more accurate description of the aims of the BU than either you or John Candy evidently.

just because people in the BU march didn't hear racist chants doesn't mean they weren't said, you cant hear every single one of the people on the march! I understand that BU committee is pissed of because they didn't hear it first hand but it doesn't mean it wasn't said it could of been one or two or a small group of people who done it but not everyone will pick up on it, all you got to do is see some idiots who are members on the facebook site with their racist remarks (not saying they represent BU or have anything to do with them but they have been on there) I think BU are more pissed off that its giving them more negative light and rightly so that they are pissed off but in every group there will always be idiots who will say they are for the cause and will be f*cking idiots

Personally, I didn't hear anything but frankly, it's difficult to legislate for the odd racist idiot popping up anywhere. The point is, even if something was chanted of a racist nature, it's in no way, whatsoever, representative of BU as a group. It would be like branding Cardiff City FC as a racist club because one or two morons chanted something of a racist nature at a City match.

I'm also pretty sure that if anything racially offensive was chanted, the OB escorting the march would have been all over it.

"representative of BU as a group"Now there's a concept that needs explaining,tell me,what do you think it means and what does it represent.You'll do well to answer accurately as even John Candy seemed to be at a loss on this very forum last week.

Ok, I'll humour you, BU are, of course, a group who's primary goal is a return of Cardiff City's long established identity. I would suggest that BU represent the fans that have actively attended/participated their, generally, very well organised events.

If you don't want to answer thats fine mate Actually those brain dead morons out side the ground gave a more accurate description of the aims of the BU than either you or John Candy evidently.

You've lost me, entirely.

I've tried hard to decipher your unusually worded question. The above is my answer

I'm sure candy walks around with his head up his arse.All of a sudden he's deaf dumb and blind.
A lot of people saw what Bu were about Sunday and they didn't like it one bit.

I'm not saying it didn't happen as there certainly seem to be alot of people saying it did, but I can honestly say I was with the march and the protest at all times and I saw nothing. Maybe this was because I was 'out front' with the camera rather than in the middle of the actual march, but I promise you I saw nothing and thats all I can say. I can't comment on what I did not see

Jon, after the fool got down off the keenor statue a group almost ran down to the front entrance with their banners, led by some plum, about 18-20 yrs oldwith dark blond cropped hair. They began chanting Tan out songs, then a group of young lads early teens and a woman and her two young kids no older than 8 walked in front of them heading to the club shop. They were in red and the blond "ringleader" began a chant "you're only here for united" the whole group were chanting it and it was hatred in their voice,, the ringleader was almost foaming at the mouth.

Ive sent you a pm regarding the rest as i want that to remain private.

I am really disturbed by all these allegations and can't for the life of me understand why the many police who were present at the March, statue and club entrance made no arrests for violence, racism or inciting racial tensions/hatred and also made no arrests for drunk and disorderly behaviour or even trespassing on private property namely the club car park? Can someone please please enlighten me as to what the racist behaviour was.

Joe, I was saying those exact words to Carl last night,I dont have anything to do with BU, but if they had done anything wrong on that march, the police would of been all over them and arrested fans.

You're right Annis, we were heavily policed on Sunday and I have no doubt arrests would be made if the wrong thing was said. Now of course I can't say someone never said on thing out of turn but there was certainly no racist undertone. Yes a few people had been drinking but to be honest I bet not many adults at the game hadn't had a pint or two before such a momentous occasion. I know people are trying to belittle Bluebirds unite but it was the only group that stood up against the rebrand that has continually stayed in the public eye. Yes maybe some mistakes have been made but this group was started from scratch and nothing like this has been done before. Please if anyone has any actual accounts of unruly behaviour that they witnessed first hand ( not hear say or second land information) pass it on to me and I will pass it on to the BU committee. Might I also add that fortunately we haven't gone the way the Hull fans have and seen scenes of violence. All the BU activity has been peaceful with not one arrest made.

Its the Truth Joe, I know all of you main members of BU including Sian and not one of u would ever be Racist,far from it, just look at all your best friends, its pathetic that anyone should even suggest it or wanted trouble on your marches.
In the New Year Joe, I think we need to get the Supporters Club,Trust,Bu,Mike from CCMB & people from this Forum all together and get behind the BLUE of CARDIFF CITY as one and get the BLUE going bigger than ever.

I absolutely agree Annis. It would be great to see the fight for blue increase in numbers and BU get support from other groups. A United front from all the supporters groups would be a great step forward and show the club how important our identity is to us.

I'm sure candy walks around with his head up his arse.All of a sudden he's deaf dumb and blind.
A lot of people saw what Bu were about Sunday and they didn't like it one bit.

I'm not saying it didn't happen as there certainly seem to be alot of people saying it did, but I can honestly say I was with the march and the protest at all times and I saw nothing. Maybe this was because I was 'out front' with the camera rather than in the middle of the actual march, but I promise you I saw nothing and thats all I can say. I can't comment on what I did not see

Jon, after the fool got down off the keenor statue a group almost ran down to the front entrance with their banners, led by some plum, about 18-20 yrs oldwith dark blond cropped hair. They began chanting Tan out songs, then a group of young lads early teens and a woman and her two young kids no older than 8 walked in front of them heading to the club shop. They were in red and the blond "ringleader" began a chant "you're only here for united" the whole group were chanting it and it was hatred in their voice,, the ringleader was almost foaming at the mouth.

Ive sent you a pm regarding the rest as i want that to remain private.

I am really disturbed by all these allegations and can't for the life of me understand why the many police who were present at the March, statue and club entrance made no arrests for violence, racism or inciting racial tensions/hatred and also made no arrests for drunk and disorderly behaviour or even trespassing on private property namely the club car park? Can someone please please enlighten me as to what the racist behaviour was.

Joe, I was saying those exact words to Carl last night,I dont have anything to do with BU, but if they had done anything wrong on that march, the police would of been all over them and arrested fans.

You're right Annis, we were heavily policed on Sunday and I have no doubt arrests would be made if the wrong thing was said. Now of course I can't say someone never said on thing out of turn but there was certainly no racist undertone. Yes a few people had been drinking but to be honest I bet not many adults at the game hadn't had a pint or two before such a momentous occasion. I know people are trying to belittle Bluebirds unite but it was the only group that stood up against the rebrand that has continually stayed in the public eye. Yes maybe some mistakes have been made but this group was started from scratch and nothing like this has been done before. Please if anyone has any actual accounts of unruly behaviour that they witnessed first hand ( not hear say or second land information) pass it on to me and I will pass it on to the BU committee. Might I also add that fortunately we haven't gone the way the Hull fans have and seen scenes of violence. All the BU activity has been peaceful with not one arrest made.

Its the Truth Joe, I know all of you main members of BU including Sian and not one of u would ever be Racist,far from it, just look at all your best friends, its pathetic that anyone should even suggest it or wanted trouble on your marches.
In the New Year Joe, I think we need to get the Supporters Club,Trust,Bu,Mike from CCMB & people from this Forum all together and get behind the BLUE of CARDIFF CITY as one and get the BLUE going bigger than ever.

I absolutely agree Annis. It would be great unused the fight for blue increase in numbers and BU get support from other groups. A United front from all the supporters groups would be a great step forward and show the club how important our identity is to us.

I'm sure candy walks around with his head up his arse.All of a sudden he's deaf dumb and blind.
A lot of people saw what Bu were about Sunday and they didn't like it one bit.

I'm not saying it didn't happen as there certainly seem to be alot of people saying it did, but I can honestly say I was with the march and the protest at all times and I saw nothing. Maybe this was because I was 'out front' with the camera rather than in the middle of the actual march, but I promise you I saw nothing and thats all I can say. I can't comment on what I did not see

Jon, after the fool got down off the keenor statue a group almost ran down to the front entrance with their banners, led by some plum, about 18-20 yrs oldwith dark blond cropped hair. They began chanting Tan out songs, then a group of young lads early teens and a woman and her two young kids no older than 8 walked in front of them heading to the club shop. They were in red and the blond "ringleader" began a chant "you're only here for united" the whole group were chanting it and it was hatred in their voice,, the ringleader was almost foaming at the mouth.

Ive sent you a pm regarding the rest as i want that to remain private.

I am really disturbed by all these allegations and can't for the life of me understand why the many police who were present at the March, statue and club entrance made no arrests for violence, racism or inciting racial tensions/hatred and also made no arrests for drunk and disorderly behaviour or even trespassing on private property namely the club car park? Can someone please please enlighten me as to what the racist behaviour was.

Joe, I was saying those exact words to Carl last night,I dont have anything to do with BU, but if they had done anything wrong on that march, the police would of been all over them and arrested fans.

You're right Annis, we were heavily policed on Sunday and I have no doubt arrests would be made if the wrong thing was said. Now of course I can't say someone never said on thing out of turn but there was certainly no racist undertone. Yes a few people had been drinking but to be honest I bet not many adults at the game hadn't had a pint or two before such a momentous occasion. I know people are trying to belittle Bluebirds unite but it was the only group that stood up against the rebrand that has continually stayed in the public eye. Yes maybe some mistakes have been made but this group was started from scratch and nothing like this has been done before. Please if anyone has any actual accounts of unruly behaviour that they witnessed first hand ( not hear say or second land information) pass it on to me and I will pass it on to the BU committee. Might I also add that fortunately we haven't gone the way the Hull fans have and seen scenes of violence. All the BU activity has been peaceful with not one arrest made.

Its the Truth Joe, I know all of you main members of BU including Sian and not one of u would ever be Racist,far from it, just look at all your best friends, its pathetic that anyone should even suggest it or wanted trouble on your marches.
In the New Year Joe, I think we need to get the Supporters Club,Trust,Bu,Mike from CCMB & people from this Forum all together and get behind the BLUE of CARDIFF CITY as one and get the BLUE going bigger than ever.

I absolutely agree Annis. It would be great unused the fight for blue increase in numbers and BU get support from other groups. A United front from all the supporters groups would be a great step forward and show the club how important our identity is to us.

That is all well and good but if any group makes the same mistakes BU made then they will lose the backing of the majority and fail to get any traction. There cannot be any Tan out rhetoric or Tan go home rubbish.

To unite all fans we need to cater for the masses. Tan out banners and songs is a big mistake.

Most fans recognise that 95% of things that Tan has done for our club have been impeccable.

To unite all fans we need to cater for the masses. Tan out banners and songs is a big mistake.

Most fans recognise that 95% of things that Tan has done for our club have been impeccable.

Had they had any correspondence with the Club?

To unite all fans we need to cater for the masses. Tan out banners and songs is a big mistake.

Most fans recognise that 95% of things that Tan has done for our club have been impeccable.

Have you been on the cider again magners.

To reiterate a point that I made in a different thread, as far as I am aware BU have not, at any point, issued an official statement calling for 'Tan Out.'

It has also been interesting to watch events, particularly on social networking forums, over the past 6 or 7 weeks. In the wake of Tan replacing Moody with the Kazakh work experience kid, there was a huge surge in calls for 'Tan Out' from the wider fanbase. Interestingly, fans have got back in their boxes and a large number are denying that they ever uttered such a claim...

I also think that, perhaps, people are getting a tad confused as to what 'Tan Out' actually means. In reality, it is simply a call for Vincent Tan to sell up. Nothing more, nothing less. If you read some of the feverish handwringing on messageboards, you'd swear that supporters chanting it, literally, want Tan's head on a spike!

Keep some perspective on it

I saw the last 5/10 mins of the protest outside the main entrance and didn't hear any racist chants or comments to be fair..

I saw the last 5/10 mins of the protest outside the main entrance and didn't hear any racist chants or comments to be fair..

That's because the chants I was commenting on were sung just as we were getting into Canton.

Someone has asked if we have had dialogue with the club. From day one we have tried to arrange a meeting with the club to discuss our views, their views and to seek reasons behind the total rebrand of our club. I have had numerous email correspondence with Tom Gorringe but as yet we have been unable to arrange getting around the table with the club. If hasn't returned any of my calls or emails for the last couple of weeks or so. We will not give up trying. There appears to be a lot of name calling and sniping going on through these threads which really doesn't put this message board in a good light
Our marches have all passed peacefully with not one arrest and to be honest the only complaints against us have come from the various message boards and certainly not the police. I was at all elements of the protest on Sunday and heard no racist remarks, we weren't heavily policed that any racist oundertones would have been dealt with by the authorities. In fact the only racist chants I heard were aimed at the English based man utd players by the majority of the crowd, this is generally called football banter though. I wonder did anyone stop to think if the English based players construed this as racism and were upset by it? I love football banter and sometimes things are said but not meant by an individual or two. Also I read that we had been drinking prior to the March, now I might be wrong but I reckon maybe one or two other people outside of BU had a pint or two before the game. I come on here under my own name and will not behind and alias OR TWO. Hopefully I have answered one or two questions and I would urge anyone who saw or heard anything totally untoward and criminal to pass on this information along with supporting evidence to us at BU via a private message so we can disassociate ourselves with the culprits.

Please don't use this post as an opportunity to slate me, I came on here to try and answer some questions as best I can.