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Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:56 am

Should all parties meet and agree to sort out the current mess the BU is in and agree on a new direction, there will have to be some form of committee appointed where they can be the voice of the group.
Having everyone voice there own views with hope of it all going in the same direction is what led to the failings of the BU.


My worry is though such is the destructive nature of our fanbase at times that fingers will get pointed,some people will claim to have more rights than others based on attachments to KCB and BU.
The quote of "I was there from the start where were you" will be branded about a fair bit.

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:59 am

I've never been part of the BU but always wore blue to games. Personally I don't like fans who call for Malky or Tan out! In my opinion I do think we should pack the stadium with BLUE and hopefully Tan will one day understand why we are doing this and revert us back to Blue! Then he will be LEGEND. :ayatollah:
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Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:33 am

soulofthesea wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:
Fine,oh hows the petition coming. :thumbup:


Sad that you feel the need to mock someone who did something to stand up against the rebranding of our club. :thumbup:

you did your fair share of mocking last week .only to now come to the conclusion that those you mocked were actually right.
as you have admitted,the march you attended was NOT about getting our colours back,was about getting Tan out.
so you have no high ground here for standing up to anything, you went on a march you didnt agree with.
have to ask.........is BU wanting Tan out now OFFICIAL?..because they still havent released a statement to that effect.


Quite right,crocodile tears from Chuckles.Trouble is that people that would support a campaign to return to blue by sensible means have now nowhere to turn.At the moment any return to blue campaign is dead in the water because of the actions of the BU on Sunday and before anyone says John Candy had the chance to utterly refute that the BU was not for Tan out but he failed miserably instead giving a wishy washy personal view.If I was Tans biggest fan I couldn't have wished for a better outcome and I knew we could depend on the BU to fuckitup themselves thus not lifting a finger.

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:36 am

soulofthesea wrote:the march you attended was NOT about getting our colours back,was about getting Tan out.
so you have no high ground here for standing up to anything, you went on a march you didnt agree with.


WRONG. I went on a march that was said to be a return to blue march. It appears that BU has other agendas now, though.

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:37 am

Barry Chuckle wrote:
CardiffBatman888 wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:I echo Polo chuckles. No need to apologise to me.....its admirable that you believed in BU and i feel they have let the likes of yourself down with the antics you describe.


I will support anyone who wants to see a return to blue & I really wanted to come on here and big up the march yesterday. Sadly, it wasn't to be.


Fair play to you Chuckles. I still remember you did a good job in creating a petition.

So what's next? Will you still continue supporting BU?


I think it's now a cross roads for BU. Can they change things around a bit and rescue some support from other fans? Or is it too late?

I fear it may be the latter. Annis' proposal about a meeting regarding all interested parties sounds interesting though. :ayatollah:

agree.......i felt Sunday was last chance saloon for them.it wasnt the size of the march. had it been small but respectful and ALLabout our colour , which i do think you truly believed it would be. a lot like myself might have started to regain confidence in them. the pic outside the castle with the child in red and that idiotic banner..if not enough in itself to put people off, they then went on a march singing { by many accounts including yours }. racist,anti tan, anti swansea? songs, climbed all over the statue,and then compounded it all by going ahead with a cringeworthy demo in the Ninian stand..
i really dont see where any extra or new support will come from, and there was nothing there yesterday to convince those who have walked away to go back to them.i do know it was set up by people that care passionately ,good people, unfortunately they seemed to lose control of it.. i really hope another group springs up...one that has learned lessons from BUs failings.
we all want blue back......its as simple as that really.......once you move away from that rveryone has a different take on things

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:44 am

In fairness, the child in red didn't seem to belong to anyone as he ran off in another direction half way through the march. Plus, if BU had told him he couldn't be in the photo, everyone on here would have had a go at them for that - it was no win really.

As for the march, yes - anti Swansea songs were sung along with some others abusing Tan about the way he looks & one or two with a racist element (though, in fairness, this was sung by a minority).

Shame really.

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:46 am

Barry Chuckle wrote:
soulofthesea wrote:the march you attended was NOT about getting our colours back,was about getting Tan out.
so you have no high ground here for standing up to anything, you went on a march you didnt agree with.


WRONG. I went on a march that was said to be a return to blue march. It appears that BU has other agendas now, though.

you spent ALL last week banging on about OFFICIAL statements,when everything that was coming out of BU was anti Tan......even when Jon Candy did come online , he evaded the Tan out stance of BU. instead rambled on about different views { which you had already witnessed through BU posts on here ] which included his own...quote..he was leaning towards Tan out.....by the size of the march,thousands joined the dots, you didnt.
ps..if you read their ad in the echo.........IT DID NOT MENTION RETURN TO BLUE...

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:48 am

soulofthesea wrote:you spent ALL last week banging on about OFFICIAL statements,when everything that was coming out of BU was anti Tan......even when Jon Candy did come online , he evaded the Tan out stance of BU. instead rambled on about different views { which you had already witnessed through BU posts on here ] which included his own...quote..he was leaning towards Tan out.....by the size of the march,thousands joined the dots, you didnt.
ps..if you read their ad in the echo.........IT DID NOT MENTION RETURN TO BLUE...


Yes, because officially BU wanted to educate Tan on identity and traditions etc... It's in their mission statement. :thumbright:

I don't recall BU making any statement about anti-Tan. Officially, they aren't. But having witnessed yesterday, I officially - they clearly are.

I don't read the Echo, but BU was formed against the rebrand - so that's what the march should have been about & officially that's what they said.

:thumbup:

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:49 am

You got to laugh at Alf Sherwood trying a damage limitations exercise.Chuckles has finally seen through Bu and come to his senses,have to say i told you so.You live and learn barry.
One thing is certain,after yesterday Bu are finished.
I've joined the trust,a good professionally run organisation who will work with the club and the fans(not against them) to try and restore our blue home kit,i urge others to do the same.

:ayatollah:

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:51 am

Barry Chuckle wrote:
soulofthesea wrote:you spent ALL last week banging on about OFFICIAL statements,when everything that was coming out of BU was anti Tan......even when Jon Candy did come online , he evaded the Tan out stance of BU. instead rambled on about different views { which you had already witnessed through BU posts on here ] which included his own...quote..he was leaning towards Tan out.....by the size of the march,thousands joined the dots, you didnt.
ps..if you read their ad in the echo.........IT DID NOT MENTION RETURN TO BLUE...


Yes, because officially BU wanted to educate Tan on identity and traditions etc... It's in their mission statement. :thumbright:

I don't read the Echo, but BU was formed against the rebrand - so that's what the march should have been about & officially that's what they said.

:thumbup:

rite...your heart does seem in the right place so im not argueing anymore about this with you. we both want blue back.and tbh, i dont see BU having any more marches or demos........be nice to all stand shoulder to shoulder under whatever pro blue group springs up..

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:51 am

redordead wrote:You got to laugh at Alf Sherwood trying a damage limitations exercise.Chuckles has finally seen through Bu and come to his senses,have to say i told you so.You live and learn barry.
One thing is certain,after yesterday Bu are finished.
I've joined the trust,a good professionally run organisation who will work with the club and the fans(not against them) to try and restore our blue home kit,i urge others to do the same.

:ayatollah:


You didn't "tell me so" at all. :thumbright:

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:55 am

Barry Chuckle wrote:
redordead wrote:You got to laugh at Alf Sherwood trying a damage limitations exercise.Chuckles has finally seen through Bu and come to his senses,have to say i told you so.You live and learn barry.
One thing is certain,after yesterday Bu are finished.
I've joined the trust,a good professionally run organisation who will work with the club and the fans(not against them) to try and restore our blue home kit,i urge others to do the same.

:ayatollah:


You didn't "tell me so" at all. :thumbright:

why do you have to try to be bloody rite.........accept you have finally made your lifes 1st mistake and move on

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:00 pm

soulofthesea wrote:why do you have to try to be bloody rite.........accept you have finally made your lifes 1st mistake and move on


I wasn't told by anyone at all. BU started off very well & I attended several of their meetings and events. It's only recently that they've decided to take a different direction & I've decided to move away from it after doing so.

Nobody "told me so" at all. :lol:

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:04 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:
soulofthesea wrote:why do you have to try to be bloody rite.........accept you have finally made your lifes 1st mistake and move on


I wasn't told by anyone at all. BU started off very well & I attended several of their meetings and events. It's only recently that they've decided to take a different direction & I've decided to move away from it after doing so.

Nobody "told me so" at all. :lol:

ok..you told us...happy?

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:05 pm

soulofthesea wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:
soulofthesea wrote:why do you have to try to be bloody rite.........accept you have finally made your lifes 1st mistake and move on


I wasn't told by anyone at all. BU started off very well & I attended several of their meetings and events. It's only recently that they've decided to take a different direction & I've decided to move away from it after doing so.

Nobody "told me so" at all. :lol:

ok..you told us...happy?


I haven't told anyone either. :lol: these are just my thoughts. :thumbup:

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:13 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:As someone who is keen to see Cardiff City return to blue, I've been supporting BU in their quest of doing so & today went along to the march held before the game.

I marched today. I have disagreed with a few things that BU have done, but looked beyond that and went along as I want blue back & wanted to do something to air that view. Many are looking for the "perfect protest", which is simply impossible - as everyone has different views.

Sadly, today's march has given me a different view of BU & it is not in favour of BU.

I arrived at the castle with a friend and we were greeted warmly by some other fans. I asked some questions to other fans about Tan & I was given the distinct impression that if I didn't want Tan out, then I wasn't really welcome on the march.

Ignoring this, I marched anyway. It begun well enough (apart from someone's child in a full red strip in the middle of the photo opportunities! :lol:). It soon became apparent that the march wasn't about blue, but about TAN OUT.

To the several people who I have discussed this with over the past week or so, I apologise (Craig, Mario Polotelli et al) - as you were right & I was wrong. BU is about getting Tan Out, which is not the right way to go.

The songs sung went from singing about Swansea (why? totally pointless) to calling Tan a ladyboy and songs with a racist element.

The plan was to stop at the Ninian gates and tie blue scarves, posters, shirts, banners etc to the gates - great idea I thought... except that the gates were pretty much bypassed & headed straight for the grandstand.

Crowds quickly dispersed from there & we were left with a few climbing on the Keenor statue (and we have a go at Tan for disrespecting CCFC history?!) & it fizzled out.

BU had much promise, but I fear that today's event did it far more damage than good.

Alex, I have to say with this post you have gone up in my estimations of you tenfold and I respect you for that. It's a shame BU had to go down the route of things other than a return to BLUE, which was the initial intention of Sian starting this group up, I have a lot of respect for Sian and what she has tried to do in terms of starting this group for a return to Blue for Cardiff City but it seems like a minority has let her down badly by going off subject for their own selfishness and stating that they want Tan out and being racist about it which is why I decided to distance myself from BU, (I seen it coming months ago tbh). As you know, I will always be blue because it has always been in my heart and I have never bought 1 thing from the club shop sinse the rebrand and I will never buy anything red or with that badge on it but I also respect the opinions and choices of others.
I didn't march today but as I was coming out of the Ninian, (coz that's what I still call it :thumbup: ), to make my way to the ground, the march was going along and I was walking along side it, I was disgusted at some of the chants to be honest and just carried on walking so I was beyond everyone else marching, I felt sorry for Sian who was at the front.
Good on you for apologising to certain posters, that must have been hard for you to do but I applaud you for that mate :thumbup:
I like you feel that BU are finished and that is a damn shame as the original intention of the group I 100% supported but like I say a few in the minority sadly have put paid to that.

We now need to UNITE Cardiff City and really concentrate on getting our rightful colours back but to do it properly.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:19 pm

I forget that the Ninian has been rebranded.. #AgainstModernPubs :lol:

Happy enough to apologise to Craig, Polo & Soulofthesea as I was debating all week with them about BU not being anti-Tan - but yesterday's march proved I was wrong.

That doesn't mean I'm happy to accept the red now, I just feel a different approach is needed and I'm liking the sound of Annis' suggestion & hope to go along to that.

It's a shame as BU started off so well. :ayatollah:

As for the sit in after the game.. I'm sorry to say that I enjoyed the game far too much to be bogged down with more rebrand politics... Didn't want to put a downer on a great afternoons football. :malky:

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:24 pm

Yes, Annis' suggestion is very interesting indeed and I think is now the way to go, I have a lot of respect for Annis and always have, he is a very good friend and he is spot on in his fight for a return to blue :thumbup:

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:05 pm

How many went on march ?????????????????

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:15 pm

There would be no need to apologise if you debated like an adult on here in the first place.

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:21 pm

Not a surpise at all, they come across as having a terrible attitude which was obvious from very early on.

It has been own goal after own goal by then and although I wear my blue every game with pride and want a return to blue I have never wanted to be assoiated with BU and this "march" sounds like exactly what I expected from them.

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:23 pm

mjw6150 wrote:There would be no need to apologise if you debated like an adult on here in the first place.


The apology was about being wrong & those people being correct. :thumbup:

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:29 pm

Can we rebrand BU? :lol: :ayatollah:

Seriously though i think as its been said on here, people saw what was happening with BU for a long time now. Everybody wants the blue back, and BU started as a good idea.

From an outsiders view in, it just seemed that the people in charge, needed help from someone to guide them. It was bull in a china shop. they needed a person to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:48 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:As someone who is keen to see Cardiff City return to blue, I've been supporting BU in their quest of doing so & today went along to the march held before the game.

I marched today. I have disagreed with a few things that BU have done, but looked beyond that and went along as I want blue back & wanted to do something to air that view. Many are looking for the "perfect protest", which is simply impossible - as everyone has different views.

Sadly, today's march has given me a different view of BU & it is not in favour of BU.

I arrived at the castle with a friend and we were greeted warmly by some other fans. I asked some questions to other fans about Tan & I was given the distinct impression that if I didn't want Tan out, then I wasn't really welcome on the march.

Ignoring this, I marched anyway. It begun well enough (apart from someone's child in a full red strip in the middle of the photo opportunities! :lol:). It soon became apparent that the march wasn't about blue, but about TAN OUT.

To the several people who I have discussed this with over the past week or so, I apologise (Craig, Mario Polotelli et al) - as you were right & I was wrong. BU is about getting Tan Out, which is not the right way to go.

The songs sung went from singing about Swansea (why? totally pointless) to calling Tan a ladyboy and songs with a racist element.

The plan was to stop at the Ninian gates and tie blue scarves, posters, shirts, banners etc to the gates - great idea I thought... except that the gates were pretty much bypassed & headed straight for the grandstand.

Crowds quickly dispersed from there & we were left with a few climbing on the Keenor statue (and we have a go at Tan for disrespecting CCFC history?!) & it fizzled out.

BU had much promise, but I fear that today's event did it far more damage than good.


Fairplay,top post and very honest

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:52 pm

A good post from BC.

BU from day one have aliened fans, Sian was one of the worse.

Until we all realise that wearing red is not a sin, ask those who wear it, why? they will say it's to support the team on the pitch, if your team wears red I see nothing wrong wearing red yourself, then ask them if the would prefer the team play in blue, 99% would say yes.

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:59 pm

NIBluebird wrote:How many went on march ?????????????????


Between 300-400 seems to be the figure most readily bandied about.

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:03 pm

Aisle116 wrote:A good post from BC.

BU from day one have aliened fans, Sian was one of the worse.

Until we all realise that wearing red is not a sin, ask those who wear it, why? they will say it's to support the team on the pitch, if your team wears red I see nothing wrong wearing red yourself, then ask them if the would prefer the team play in blue, 99% would say yes.


I see wearing red as endorsing Tan's rebrand though, so if you are against the rebrand or would prefer to see the club return to blue, I'd urge you to try and wear blue to support the message.

I wouldn't be telling you to do that though, each to their own & all that. :thumbright:

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:09 pm

Aisle116 wrote:A good post from BC.

BU from day one have aliened fans, Sian was one of the worse.

Until we all realise that wearing red is not a sin, ask those who wear it, why? they will say it's to support the team on the pitch, if your team wears red I see nothing wrong wearing red yourself, then ask them if the would prefer the team play in blue, 99% would say yes.


Does wearing red make you a bad person? No, of course not.

Should people have the freedom to choose to wear whatever they want? Absolutely, they should

Is a stadium with a sizeable proportion of those present wearing red, in any way helpful as regards seeing a return of Cardiff City's traditional blue identity? I would say it's the opposite. Tan has made it abundantly clear that he would like to see the fanbase 'turn red' too. Buying the red will only be viewed as endorsement in his eyes.

Whilst abuse of those wearing red is unacceptable, choosing to wear red is, as far as Cardiff City goes, inevitably going to be viewed by many in wider terms than just wearing the same colours as your heroes on the pitch.

Shoot me down in flames but that is my opinion. :thumbup:

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:14 pm

alfie sherwood wrote:
NIBluebird wrote:How many went on march ?????????????????


Between 300-400 seems to be the figure most readily bandied about.

Alfie, I appreciate your trying to bang the BU drum, but those figures are way off the mark

Re: My Thoughts on BU March

Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:17 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:
alfie sherwood wrote:
NIBluebird wrote:How many went on march ?????????????????


Between 300-400 seems to be the figure most readily bandied about.

Alfie, I appreciate your trying to bang the BU drum, but those figures are way off the mark


Craig, I've already said that the turnout was disappointing. The figure of 300-400 came from one of the police liaison guys accompanying the march. :thumbup: