Red or Blue - Time To Move On

Mmm no idea what you are talking about, you haven't mentioned double standards in any post just looked as thought I was going blind? You complained about people being told to move on, nothing to do with double standards is it? ? Think you are a bit paranoid but never mind, won't make it worse for you so won't reply again!

Got yourself into a right old muddle, haven't you Allan?!

This is the biggest problem with the rebrand. It makes no commercial sense.

We now have a confused identity
Colour is not a determining factor in who people support
Most 'customers' have been upset (to varying degrees)
Most businesses rebrands are successful, people like them, or they are ambivalent. In City's case, most people hate it or are ambivalent.
All industries are specific. Cardiff is in the football industry where identity, history etc DO matter.I don't care about Lloyds TSB's colours are. It isn't important, yet in football, and sport in general these kind of things are important.

People often talk about the Washington Redskins maybe changing there name as it becomes increasingly controvsial. If I were a redskins fans, I'd probably oppose it, but at least there is a rationale behind them become the Washington Reds. At least it is understandable and makes sense.

Our rebrand makes zero sense. It hasn't benefitted us one bit, apart from in Tan's own warped mind.

It's full of shit, and as a customer of HSBC and Cardiff City, I'll tell you now..I care far more about the latter. I will switch my bank on a whim, but I won't switch my football club.

Our colours and identity mean a lot to me, and I'm not going to give it up without a fight.

That fight continues sunday, 2pm, outside the castle. All City fans should consider being there IMO.

Great post. I wish the fans who keep licking Tan's arse would understand this.

Clarify/justify (quote): "The fans that keep licking Tan's arse" please, JonCCFC

Please don't ignore the question, JonCCFC

Everyone knows that football is as much big business as it is sport. Cardiff City FC are a business that have a multi million pound turnover, and like all businesses are in a competitive dog eat dog world. Whether we like it or not, that world is changing, and the British football scene in 10 or 20 years time will be completely different to what it is now. We know what happens to businesses that don't move with the times, look at Woolworth, Bradford & Bingley, the British motorbike industry etc. etc. Plenty of companies have had to carry out rebranding exercises to ensure that they maintain commercial viability. Lloyds Bank for example have been branded green, then blue, now green again with the return of the black horse. Vincent Tan looks at Cardiff City as purely a business venture, and he needs a successful club to ensure he gets a good return on his investment. Whether he succeeds or fails remains to be seen. I would prefer to see the team play in Blue like most other supporters would, but we have to decide whether or not we want a football team playing at the highest level, or watch the likes of Hartlepool, Fleetwood and Newport on a regular basis. The leagues are growing further apart, and the money available for the top teams will continue to grow, while there will be less and less for the lower leagues. I can't see 92 league sides still in existence in 10 or 15 years time. If we want to be part of the top tiers of football, we are going to have to accept that change is inevitable, and move with the time, or return to playing unfashionable sides in front of four or five thousand people again.

Piss off! If you don't like fans like myself refusing to give in to Tan, perhaps it's time for YOU to move on...off this forum!

For the record, I would take watching the proper Cardiff City in blue against Hartlepool, Fleetwood and Newport ahead of the situation we're in now anytime!

Your post goes on about wanting us in the top tiers of football, so you just want success at any cost. That's how you feel and that's fair enough. But I just want to watch the team I have a passion and emotional connection too and that team is Cardiff City - The Bluebirds playing in blue, whatever the level!

That's how I feel and my feelings will never change, so don't you dare tell me it's "time to move on" as I will never stop fighting for the football club I love! DEAL WITH IT!!

No more wrong than other posters who say red fans are not true fans ect ect, but who's opinions are defended by people on here!
Double standards at its best!

You are right... Certainly isn't double standards by me though... so don't know why you are saying that.

Didnt say it was you did I??? Was posting an opinion on double standards which I understand we are all entitled to do? ?

surely double standards must relate to ONE person contradicting the stance they take.. ?

Everyone knows that football is as much big business as it is sport. Cardiff City FC are a business that have a multi million pound turnover, and like all businesses are in a competitive dog eat dog world. Whether we like it or not, that world is changing, and the British football scene in 10 or 20 years time will be completely different to what it is now. We know what happens to businesses that don't move with the times, look at Woolworth, Bradford & Bingley, the British motorbike industry etc. etc. Plenty of companies have had to carry out rebranding exercises to ensure that they maintain commercial viability. Lloyds Bank for example have been branded green, then blue, now green again with the return of the black horse. Vincent Tan looks at Cardiff City as purely a business venture, and he needs a successful club to ensure he gets a good return on his investment. Whether he succeeds or fails remains to be seen. I would prefer to see the team play in Blue like most other supporters would, but we have to decide whether or not we want a football team playing at the highest level, or watch the likes of Hartlepool, Fleetwood and Newport on a regular basis. The leagues are growing further apart, and the money available for the top teams will continue to grow, while there will be less and less for the lower leagues. I can't see 92 league sides still in existence in 10 or 15 years time. If we want to be part of the top tiers of football, we are going to have to accept that change is inevitable, and move with the time, or return to playing unfashionable sides in front of four or five thousand people again.

Piss off! If you don't like fans like myself refusing to give in to Tan, perhaps it's time for YOU to move on...off this forum!

For the record, I would take watching the proper Cardiff City in blue against Hartlepool, Fleetwood and Newport ahead of the situation we're in now anytime!

Your post goes on about wanting us in the top tiers of football, so you just want success at any cost. That's how you feel and that's fair enough. But I just want to watch the team I have a passion and emotional connection too and that team is Cardiff City - The Bluebirds playing in blue, whatever the level!

That's how I feel and my feelings will never change, so don't you dare tell me it's "time to move on" as I will never stop fighting for the football club I love! DEAL WITH IT!!

I think I've got a passion for the club, used to play myself on Tonteg Park for Llantwit when Alan Warboys was our trainer, that will tell you how long I've been a supporter if you can remember him.

Be interesting to see how many fans turn out at the castle on the weekend. Lets say we have a hardcore of supporters numbering 7000 - 8000, the supporters who will still turn up on a wet December day to watch Brentford or someone similar in one of the lower divisions. If just 20% of these feel strongly enough about the colour change, there should be a good 1400 or so people there on Sunday. Much less than this would suggest not too many people are that concerned. Weather should be dry, and good luck to you people who turn up, I respect what you are are trying to achieve even though it's not important enough to me to be there on Sunday.

dont agree
i feel very strongly about the blue. have no great desire to remove Tan, am not desperate for the club to respect or consult me any more than they have previously,which is nil. im simply about i want blue back.
i got laughed at yesterday for saying the ad does not even mention we want our colour back.?
ill wear blue in the ground

Everyone knows that football is as much big business as it is sport. Cardiff City FC are a business that have a multi million pound turnover, and like all businesses are in a competitive dog eat dog world. Whether we like it or not, that world is changing, and the British football scene in 10 or 20 years time will be completely different to what it is now. We know what happens to businesses that don't move with the times, look at Woolworth, Bradford & Bingley, the British motorbike industry etc. etc. Plenty of companies have had to carry out rebranding exercises to ensure that they maintain commercial viability. Lloyds Bank for example have been branded green, then blue, now green again with the return of the black horse. Vincent Tan looks at Cardiff City as purely a business venture, and he needs a successful club to ensure he gets a good return on his investment. Whether he succeeds or fails remains to be seen. I would prefer to see the team play in Blue like most other supporters would, but we have to decide whether or not we want a football team playing at the highest level, or watch the likes of Hartlepool, Fleetwood and Newport on a regular basis. The leagues are growing further apart, and the money available for the top teams will continue to grow, while there will be less and less for the lower leagues. I can't see 92 league sides still in existence in 10 or 15 years time. If we want to be part of the top tiers of football, we are going to have to accept that change is inevitable, and move with the time, or return to playing unfashionable sides in front of four or five thousand people again.

Piss off! If you don't like fans like myself refusing to give in to Tan, perhaps it's time for YOU to move on...off this forum!

For the record, I would take watching the proper Cardiff City in blue against Hartlepool, Fleetwood and Newport ahead of the situation we're in now anytime!

Your post goes on about wanting us in the top tiers of football, so you just want success at any cost. That's how you feel and that's fair enough. But I just want to watch the team I have a passion and emotional connection too and that team is Cardiff City - The Bluebirds playing in blue, whatever the level!

That's how I feel and my feelings will never change, so don't you dare tell me it's "time to move on" as I will never stop fighting for the football club I love! DEAL WITH IT!!

I think I've got a passion for the club, used to play myself on Tonteg Park for Llantwit when Alan Warboys was our trainer, that will tell you how long I've been a supporter if you can remember him.

I'm not disputing you've probably been a fan for a while and have a passion for our club. My problem was your comment telling fans like me who are 100% against the rebrand that it's "time to move on". I just had a PM saying there's been a number of complaints about my post (I know you're not one of them). Considering I only used one swear word and baring in mind there's numerous other posts from the usual culprits who are constantly, abusively name calling and swearing at one another, I am stunned there's been complaints with my post. All I did was tell you to "piss off" at your "time to move on" remark. If people are complaining at that, I dread to think how they cope attending City games with constant shouting and swearing!

Regarding your Alan Warboys comment, I've heard the name. A brave, courageous striker who was brought in to replace John Toshack I believe? I never realised he was Llantwit Fardre's trainer mind!

Everyone knows that football is as much big business as it is sport. Cardiff City FC are a business that have a multi million pound turnover, and like all businesses are in a competitive dog eat dog world. Whether we like it or not, that world is changing, and the British football scene in 10 or 20 years time will be completely different to what it is now. We know what happens to businesses that don't move with the times, look at Woolworth, Bradford & Bingley, the British motorbike industry etc. etc. Plenty of companies have had to carry out rebranding exercises to ensure that they maintain commercial viability. Lloyds Bank for example have been branded green, then blue, now green again with the return of the black horse. Vincent Tan looks at Cardiff City as purely a business venture, and he needs a successful club to ensure he gets a good return on his investment. Whether he succeeds or fails remains to be seen. I would prefer to see the team play in Blue like most other supporters would, but we have to decide whether or not we want a football team playing at the highest level, or watch the likes of Hartlepool, Fleetwood and Newport on a regular basis. The leagues are growing further apart, and the money available for the top teams will continue to grow, while there will be less and less for the lower leagues. I can't see 92 league sides still in existence in 10 or 15 years time. If we want to be part of the top tiers of football, we are going to have to accept that change is inevitable, and move with the time, or return to playing unfashionable sides in front of four or five thousand people again.

Piss off! If you don't like fans like myself refusing to give in to Tan, perhaps it's time for YOU to move on...off this forum!

For the record, I would take watching the proper Cardiff City in blue against Hartlepool, Fleetwood and Newport ahead of the situation we're in now anytime!

Your post goes on about wanting us in the top tiers of football, so you just want success at any cost. That's how you feel and that's fair enough. But I just want to watch the team I have a passion and emotional connection too and that team is Cardiff City - The Bluebirds playing in blue, whatever the level!

That's how I feel and my feelings will never change, so don't you dare tell me it's "time to move on" as I will never stop fighting for the football club I love! DEAL WITH IT!!

I think I've got a passion for the club, used to play myself on Tonteg Park for Llantwit when Alan Warboys was our trainer, that will tell you how long I've been a supporter if you can remember him.

I'm not disputing you've probably been a fan for a while and have a passion for our club. My problem was your comment telling fans like me who are 100% against the rebrand that it's "time to move on". I just had a PM saying there's been a number of complaints about my post (I know you're not one of them). Considering I only used one swear word and baring in mind there's numerous other posts from the usual culprits who are constantly, abusively name calling and swearing at one another, I am stunned there's been complaints with my post. All I did was tell you to "piss off" at your "time to move on" remark. If people are complaining at that, I dread to think how they cope attending City games with constant shouting and swearing!

Regarding your Alan Warboys comment, I've heard the name. A brave, courageous striker who was brought in to replace John Toshack I believe? I never realised he was Llantwit Fardre's trainer mind!

That is interesting (the Alan Warboys bit) as I played a bit for Tynant and Llantwit Fardre as a youngster but didn't know about the Warboys connection either

I was around when they made Terry Venables 'Honarary President' (or was it Chairman) of Llantwit Fardre FC though, and I can remember former City player/manager Richie Morgan doing some coaching for the kids at Bryn Celynnog Comp when he lived on Crown Hill

Be interesting to see how many fans turn out at the castle on the weekend. Lets say we have a hardcore of supporters numbering 7000 - 8000, the supporters who will still turn up on a wet December day to watch Brentford or someone similar in one of the lower divisions. If just 20% of these feel strongly enough about the colour change, there should be a good 1400 or so people there on Sunday. Much less than this would suggest not too many people are that concerned. Weather should be dry, and good luck to you people who turn up, I respect what you are are trying to achieve even though it's not important enough to me to be there on Sunday.

dont agree
i feel very strongly about the blue. have no great desire to remove Tan, am not desperate for the club to respect or consult me any more than they have previously,which is nil. im simply about i want blue back.
i got laughed at yesterday for saying the ad does not even mention we want our colour back.?
ill wear blue in the ground

The Bluebirds Unite ad calls for a 'return to our traditional identity' it also urges fans to 'wear blue'.

Everyone knows that football is as much big business as it is sport. Cardiff City FC are a business that have a multi million pound turnover, and like all businesses are in a competitive dog eat dog world. Whether we like it or not, that world is changing, and the British football scene in 10 or 20 years time will be completely different to what it is now. We know what happens to businesses that don't move with the times, look at Woolworth, Bradford & Bingley, the British motorbike industry etc. etc. Plenty of companies have had to carry out rebranding exercises to ensure that they maintain commercial viability. Lloyds Bank for example have been branded green, then blue, now green again with the return of the black horse. Vincent Tan looks at Cardiff City as purely a business venture, and he needs a successful club to ensure he gets a good return on his investment. Whether he succeeds or fails remains to be seen. I would prefer to see the team play in Blue like most other supporters would, but we have to decide whether or not we want a football team playing at the highest level, or watch the likes of Hartlepool, Fleetwood and Newport on a regular basis. The leagues are growing further apart, and the money available for the top teams will continue to grow, while there will be less and less for the lower leagues. I can't see 92 league sides still in existence in 10 or 15 years time. If we want to be part of the top tiers of football, we are going to have to accept that change is inevitable, and move with the time, or return to playing unfashionable sides in front of four or five thousand people again.

Piss off! If you don't like fans like myself refusing to give in to Tan, perhaps it's time for YOU to move on...off this forum!

For the record, I would take watching the proper Cardiff City in blue against Hartlepool, Fleetwood and Newport ahead of the situation we're in now anytime!

Your post goes on about wanting us in the top tiers of football, so you just want success at any cost. That's how you feel and that's fair enough. But I just want to watch the team I have a passion and emotional connection too and that team is Cardiff City - The Bluebirds playing in blue, whatever the level!

That's how I feel and my feelings will never change, so don't you dare tell me it's "time to move on" as I will never stop fighting for the football club I love! DEAL WITH IT!!

I think I've got a passion for the club, used to play myself on Tonteg Park for Llantwit when Alan Warboys was our trainer, that will tell you how long I've been a supporter if you can remember him.

I'm not disputing you've probably been a fan for a while and have a passion for our club. My problem was your comment telling fans like me who are 100% against the rebrand that it's "time to move on". I just had a PM saying there's been a number of complaints about my post (I know you're not one of them). Considering I only used one swear word and baring in mind there's numerous other posts from the usual culprits who are constantly, abusively name calling and swearing at one another, I am stunned there's been complaints with my post. All I did was tell you to "piss off" at your "time to move on" remark. If people are complaining at that, I dread to think how they cope attending City games with constant shouting and swearing!

Regarding your Alan Warboys comment, I've heard the name. A brave, courageous striker who was brought in to replace John Toshack I believe? I never realised he was Llantwit Fardre's trainer mind!

That is interesting (the Alan Warboys bit) as I played a bit for Tynant and Llantwit Fardre as a youngster but didn't know about the Warboys connection either

I was around when they made Terry Venables 'Honarary President' (or was it Chairman) of Llantwit Fardre FC though, and I can remember former City player/manager Richie Morgan doing some coaching for the kids at Bryn Celynnog Comp when he lived on Crown Hill

Sven,
Terry's mum who was Welsh, owned a local pub(I can't remember the name now) which I used to drink in now and again, hence the local connection.
I have heard funny some stories about EL Tel from a London solicitor who grew up with Alan Sugar but not for this board I am afraid.

On the red/ blue bollocks on this board it is now tedious beyond belief. There are one or two severe mischief makers and wind up merchants who have just gone beyond what is reasonable.

Everyone knows that football is as much big business as it is sport. Cardiff City FC are a business that have a multi million pound turnover, and like all businesses are in a competitive dog eat dog world. Whether we like it or not, that world is changing, and the British football scene in 10 or 20 years time will be completely different to what it is now. We know what happens to businesses that don't move with the times, look at Woolworth, Bradford & Bingley, the British motorbike industry etc. etc. Plenty of companies have had to carry out rebranding exercises to ensure that they maintain commercial viability. Lloyds Bank for example have been branded green, then blue, now green again with the return of the black horse. Vincent Tan looks at Cardiff City as purely a business venture, and he needs a successful club to ensure he gets a good return on his investment. Whether he succeeds or fails remains to be seen. I would prefer to see the team play in Blue like most other supporters would, but we have to decide whether or not we want a football team playing at the highest level, or watch the likes of Hartlepool, Fleetwood and Newport on a regular basis. The leagues are growing further apart, and the money available for the top teams will continue to grow, while there will be less and less for the lower leagues. I can't see 92 league sides still in existence in 10 or 15 years time. If we want to be part of the top tiers of football, we are going to have to accept that change is inevitable, and move with the time, or return to playing unfashionable sides in front of four or five thousand people again.

Piss off! If you don't like fans like myself refusing to give in to Tan, perhaps it's time for YOU to move on...off this forum!

For the record, I would take watching the proper Cardiff City in blue against Hartlepool, Fleetwood and Newport ahead of the situation we're in now anytime!

Your post goes on about wanting us in the top tiers of football, so you just want success at any cost. That's how you feel and that's fair enough. But I just want to watch the team I have a passion and emotional connection too and that team is Cardiff City - The Bluebirds playing in blue, whatever the level!

That's how I feel and my feelings will never change, so don't you dare tell me it's "time to move on" as I will never stop fighting for the football club I love! DEAL WITH IT!!

I think I've got a passion for the club, used to play myself on Tonteg Park for Llantwit when Alan Warboys was our trainer, that will tell you how long I've been a supporter if you can remember him.

I'm not disputing you've probably been a fan for a while and have a passion for our club. My problem was your comment telling fans like me who are 100% against the rebrand that it's "time to move on". I just had a PM saying there's been a number of complaints about my post (I know you're not one of them). Considering I only used one swear word and baring in mind there's numerous other posts from the usual culprits who are constantly, abusively name calling and swearing at one another, I am stunned there's been complaints with my post. All I did was tell you to "piss off" at your "time to move on" remark. If people are complaining at that, I dread to think how they cope attending City games with constant shouting and swearing!

Regarding your Alan Warboys comment, I've heard the name. A brave, courageous striker who was brought in to replace John Toshack I believe? I never realised he was Llantwit Fardre's trainer mind!

That is interesting (the Alan Warboys bit) as I played a bit for Tynant and Llantwit Fardre as a youngster but didn't know about the Warboys connection either

I was around when they made Terry Venables 'Honarary President' (or was it Chairman) of Llantwit Fardre FC though, and I can remember former City player/manager Richie Morgan doing some coaching for the kids at Bryn Celynnog Comp when he lived on Crown Hill

A few of the City players back then took charge of some local teams, and Warboys took Llantwit. Used to take our training at Bryn Celynnog school on Tuesday nights, and would attend our home matches on a Saturday morning providing City were home that weekend. Could'nt see that happening nowadays.

Everyone knows that football is as much big business as it is sport. Cardiff City FC are a business that have a multi million pound turnover, and like all businesses are in a competitive dog eat dog world. Whether we like it or not, that world is changing, and the British football scene in 10 or 20 years time will be completely different to what it is now. We know what happens to businesses that don't move with the times, look at Woolworth, Bradford & Bingley, the British motorbike industry etc. etc. Plenty of companies have had to carry out rebranding exercises to ensure that they maintain commercial viability. Lloyds Bank for example have been branded green, then blue, now green again with the return of the black horse. Vincent Tan looks at Cardiff City as purely a business venture, and he needs a successful club to ensure he gets a good return on his investment. Whether he succeeds or fails remains to be seen. I would prefer to see the team play in Blue like most other supporters would, but we have to decide whether or not we want a football team playing at the highest level, or watch the likes of Hartlepool, Fleetwood and Newport on a regular basis. The leagues are growing further apart, and the money available for the top teams will continue to grow, while there will be less and less for the lower leagues. I can't see 92 league sides still in existence in 10 or 15 years time. If we want to be part of the top tiers of football, we are going to have to accept that change is inevitable, and move with the time, or return to playing unfashionable sides in front of four or five thousand people again.

Piss off! If you don't like fans like myself refusing to give in to Tan, perhaps it's time for YOU to move on...off this forum!

For the record, I would take watching the proper Cardiff City in blue against Hartlepool, Fleetwood and Newport ahead of the situation we're in now anytime!

Your post goes on about wanting us in the top tiers of football, so you just want success at any cost. That's how you feel and that's fair enough. But I just want to watch the team I have a passion and emotional connection too and that team is Cardiff City - The Bluebirds playing in blue, whatever the level!

That's how I feel and my feelings will never change, so don't you dare tell me it's "time to move on" as I will never stop fighting for the football club I love! DEAL WITH IT!!

I think I've got a passion for the club, used to play myself on Tonteg Park for Llantwit when Alan Warboys was our trainer, that will tell you how long I've been a supporter if you can remember him.

I'm not disputing you've probably been a fan for a while and have a passion for our club. My problem was your comment telling fans like me who are 100% against the rebrand that it's "time to move on". I just had a PM saying there's been a number of complaints about my post (I know you're not one of them). Considering I only used one swear word and baring in mind there's numerous other posts from the usual culprits who are constantly, abusively name calling and swearing at one another, I am stunned there's been complaints with my post. All I did was tell you to "piss off" at your "time to move on" remark. If people are complaining at that, I dread to think how they cope attending City games with constant shouting and swearing!

Regarding your Alan Warboys comment, I've heard the name. A brave, courageous striker who was brought in to replace John Toshack I believe? I never realised he was Llantwit Fardre's trainer mind!

That is interesting (the Alan Warboys bit) as I played a bit for Tynant and Llantwit Fardre as a youngster but didn't know about the Warboys connection either

I was around when they made Terry Venables 'Honarary President' (or was it Chairman) of Llantwit Fardre FC though, and I can remember former City player/manager Richie Morgan doing some coaching for the kids at Bryn Celynnog Comp when he lived on Crown Hill

Sven,
Terry's mum who was Welsh, owned a local pub(I can't remember the name now) which I used to drink in now and again, hence the local connection.
I have heard funny some stories about EL Tel from a London solicitor who grew up with Alan Sugar but not for this board I am afraid.

On the red/ blue bollocks on this board it is now tedious beyond belief. There are one or two severe mischief makers and wind up merchants who have just gone beyond what is reasonable.

Farmers Arms, walls used to be covered in Barcelona photo's back then.

That's the one.

Never time to move on football is different to any other business anywhere and on that basis its not time to move on anyone who understands football will understand

I think I've got a passion for the club, used to play myself on Tonteg Park for Llantwit when Alan Warboys was our trainer, that will tell you how long I've been a supporter if you can remember him.[/quote]

That pitch use to have a hell of a slope in them days, it's a lot better now

They had to improve it for welsh league. Unfortunately, that didn't last long and back in amateur league now. More mud than grass in those days with small changing rooms and cold showers. At least there were Saturday night discos in the shack then.

The site owner has stated that this forum WILL ALWAYS BE BLUE and as far as he can see he will always be blue. There is a strong BU contingent on here now and if you don't like it you can move on.

You will not silence us, we march on.

I think I've got a passion for the club, used to play myself on Tonteg Park for Llantwit when Alan Warboys was our trainer, that will tell you how long I've been a supporter if you can remember him.

That pitch use to have a hell of a slope in them days, it's a lot better now[/quote]



Yes, the old slope (eventually dug out flat) and the fence at the back to stop the ball going into the gardens of the houses behind the far goal; one of which belonged to the Breeze family; home of three tidy players in Gary, Gerwyn and Rhodri (or was Rhodri the cousin?)

Some good players around, too...and some right characters to have a laugh with...but not to mess with!

Memories, eh??

That's the one.

Yes, Mrs Venables in The Farmer's Arms in Upper Church Village. Not a pub I used often, but she was a character apparently (just like her Terry! ) but sadly passed away some time ago, I believe

I agree with your Red/Blue comments and the impact it's all having on the site. Being a 'Mod" has enabled me to see how certain people work and the lengths they will go to. It's non-stop!

This is the biggest problem with the rebrand. It makes no commercial sense.

We now have a confused identity
Colour is not a determining factor in who people support
Most 'customers' have been upset (to varying degrees)
Most businesses rebrands are successful, people like them, or they are ambivalent. In City's case, most people hate it or are ambivalent.
All industries are specific. Cardiff is in the football industry where identity, history etc DO matter.I don't care about Lloyds TSB's colours are. It isn't important, yet in football, and sport in general these kind of things are important.

People often talk about the Washington Redskins maybe changing there name as it becomes increasingly controvsial. If I were a redskins fans, I'd probably oppose it, but at least there is a rationale behind them become the Washington Reds. At least it is understandable and makes sense.

Our rebrand makes zero sense. It hasn't benefitted us one bit, apart from in Tan's own warped mind.

It's full of shit, and as a customer of HSBC and Cardiff City, I'll tell you now..I care far more about the latter. I will switch my bank on a whim, but I won't switch my football club.

Our colours and identity mean a lot to me, and I'm not going to give it up without a fight.

That fight continues sunday, 2pm, outside the castle. All City fans should consider being there IMO.

Great post. I wish the fans who keep licking Tan's arse would understand this.

Clarify/justify (quote): "The fans that keep licking Tan's arse" please, JonCCFC

Please don't ignore the question, JonCCFC

Still waiting, fella

This is the biggest problem with the rebrand. It makes no commercial sense.

We now have a confused identity
Colour is not a determining factor in who people support
Most 'customers' have been upset (to varying degrees)
Most businesses rebrands are successful, people like them, or they are ambivalent. In City's case, most people hate it or are ambivalent.
All industries are specific. Cardiff is in the football industry where identity, history etc DO matter.I don't care about Lloyds TSB's colours are. It isn't important, yet in football, and sport in general these kind of things are important.

People often talk about the Washington Redskins maybe changing there name as it becomes increasingly controvsial. If I were a redskins fans, I'd probably oppose it, but at least there is a rationale behind them become the Washington Reds. At least it is understandable and makes sense.

Our rebrand makes zero sense. It hasn't benefitted us one bit, apart from in Tan's own warped mind.

It's full of shit, and as a customer of HSBC and Cardiff City, I'll tell you now..I care far more about the latter. I will switch my bank on a whim, but I won't switch my football club.

Our colours and identity mean a lot to me, and I'm not going to give it up without a fight.

That fight continues sunday, 2pm, outside the castle. All City fans should consider being there IMO.

Great post. I wish the fans who keep licking Tan's arse would understand this.

Clarify/justify (quote): "The fans that keep licking Tan's arse" please, JonCCFC

Please don't ignore the question, JonCCFC

Still waiting, fella

Wouldn't hold your breath...

This is the biggest problem with the rebrand. It makes no commercial sense.

We now have a confused identity
Colour is not a determining factor in who people support
Most 'customers' have been upset (to varying degrees)
Most businesses rebrands are successful, people like them, or they are ambivalent. In City's case, most people hate it or are ambivalent.
All industries are specific. Cardiff is in the football industry where identity, history etc DO matter.I don't care about Lloyds TSB's colours are. It isn't important, yet in football, and sport in general these kind of things are important.

People often talk about the Washington Redskins maybe changing there name as it becomes increasingly controvsial. If I were a redskins fans, I'd probably oppose it, but at least there is a rationale behind them become the Washington Reds. At least it is understandable and makes sense.

Our rebrand makes zero sense. It hasn't benefitted us one bit, apart from in Tan's own warped mind.

It's full of shit, and as a customer of HSBC and Cardiff City, I'll tell you now..I care far more about the latter. I will switch my bank on a whim, but I won't switch my football club.

Our colours and identity mean a lot to me, and I'm not going to give it up without a fight.

That fight continues sunday, 2pm, outside the castle. All City fans should consider being there IMO.

Great post. I wish the fans who keep licking Tan's arse would understand this.

Clarify/justify (quote): "The fans that keep licking Tan's arse" please, JonCCFC

Please don't ignore the question, JonCCFC

Still waiting, fella

Wouldn't hold your breath...

I'm not Harry Houdini, fella!

A little surprised, though. He's had plenty to say on this thread and elsewhere tonight

This is the biggest problem with the rebrand. It makes no commercial sense.

We now have a confused identity
Colour is not a determining factor in who people support
Most 'customers' have been upset (to varying degrees)
Most businesses rebrands are successful, people like them, or they are ambivalent. In City's case, most people hate it or are ambivalent.
All industries are specific. Cardiff is in the football industry where identity, history etc DO matter.I don't care about Lloyds TSB's colours are. It isn't important, yet in football, and sport in general these kind of things are important.

People often talk about the Washington Redskins maybe changing there name as it becomes increasingly controvsial. If I were a redskins fans, I'd probably oppose it, but at least there is a rationale behind them become the Washington Reds. At least it is understandable and makes sense.

Our rebrand makes zero sense. It hasn't benefitted us one bit, apart from in Tan's own warped mind.

It's full of shit, and as a customer of HSBC and Cardiff City, I'll tell you now..I care far more about the latter. I will switch my bank on a whim, but I won't switch my football club.

Our colours and identity mean a lot to me, and I'm not going to give it up without a fight.

That fight continues sunday, 2pm, outside the castle. All City fans should consider being there IMO.

Great post. I wish the fans who keep licking Tan's arse would understand this.

Clarify/justify (quote): "The fans that keep licking Tan's arse" please, JonCCFC

Please don't ignore the question, JonCCFC

Still waiting, fella

I didn't even notice your post

And do I really need to explain that? To put it in a nicer way for you as you're quite sensitive, I'm talking about the fans who jump at every moment to defend Tan no matter what. You could've figured that out for yourself.

This is the biggest problem with the rebrand. It makes no commercial sense.

We now have a confused identity
Colour is not a determining factor in who people support
Most 'customers' have been upset (to varying degrees)
Most businesses rebrands are successful, people like them, or they are ambivalent. In City's case, most people hate it or are ambivalent.
All industries are specific. Cardiff is in the football industry where identity, history etc DO matter.I don't care about Lloyds TSB's colours are. It isn't important, yet in football, and sport in general these kind of things are important.

People often talk about the Washington Redskins maybe changing there name as it becomes increasingly controvsial. If I were a redskins fans, I'd probably oppose it, but at least there is a rationale behind them become the Washington Reds. At least it is understandable and makes sense.

Our rebrand makes zero sense. It hasn't benefitted us one bit, apart from in Tan's own warped mind.

It's full of shit, and as a customer of HSBC and Cardiff City, I'll tell you now..I care far more about the latter. I will switch my bank on a whim, but I won't switch my football club.

Our colours and identity mean a lot to me, and I'm not going to give it up without a fight.

That fight continues sunday, 2pm, outside the castle. All City fans should consider being there IMO.

Great post. I wish the fans who keep licking Tan's arse would understand this.

Clarify/justify (quote): "The fans that keep licking Tan's arse" please, JonCCFC

Please don't ignore the question, JonCCFC

Still waiting, fella

I didn't even notice your post

And do I really need to explain that? To put it in a nicer way for you as you're quite sensitive, I'm talking about the fans who jump at every moment to defend Tan no matter what. You could've figured that out for yourself.

Too right you need to explain, fella. You have (not for the first time) tarred a group of people on here with a pretty thick brush, when you neither know them or understand their thinking

One or two Forum Members have asked for an answer, as they think you are bang out of line

It's not about 'my' sensitivities. I am used to you and your daft comments/replies/contradictions, but I do agree that what you wrote there was way out of order and needs explaining

Your answer above just repeats the original quote, using toned down language

This is the biggest problem with the rebrand. It makes no commercial sense.

We now have a confused identity
Colour is not a determining factor in who people support
Most 'customers' have been upset (to varying degrees)
Most businesses rebrands are successful, people like them, or they are ambivalent. In City's case, most people hate it or are ambivalent.
All industries are specific. Cardiff is in the football industry where identity, history etc DO matter.I don't care about Lloyds TSB's colours are. It isn't important, yet in football, and sport in general these kind of things are important.

People often talk about the Washington Redskins maybe changing there name as it becomes increasingly controvsial. If I were a redskins fans, I'd probably oppose it, but at least there is a rationale behind them become the Washington Reds. At least it is understandable and makes sense.

Our rebrand makes zero sense. It hasn't benefitted us one bit, apart from in Tan's own warped mind.

It's full of shit, and as a customer of HSBC and Cardiff City, I'll tell you now..I care far more about the latter. I will switch my bank on a whim, but I won't switch my football club.

Our colours and identity mean a lot to me, and I'm not going to give it up without a fight.

That fight continues sunday, 2pm, outside the castle. All City fans should consider being there IMO.

Great post. I wish the fans who keep licking Tan's arse would understand this.

Clarify/justify (quote): "The fans that keep licking Tan's arse" please, JonCCFC

Please don't ignore the question, JonCCFC

Still waiting, fella

I didn't even notice your post

And do I really need to explain that? To put it in a nicer way for you as you're quite sensitive, I'm talking about the fans who jump at every moment to defend Tan no matter what. You could've figured that out for yourself.

Too right you need to explain, fella. You have (not for the first time) tarred a group of people on here with a pretty thick brush, when you neither know them or understand their thinking

One or two Forum Members have asked for an answer, as they think you are bang out of line

It's not about 'my' sensitivities. I am used to you and your daft comments/replies/contradictions, but I do agree that what you wrote there was way out of order and needs explaining

Your answer above just repeats the original quote, using toned down language

Awww is someone offended?

It's the internet, chill out. My post doesn't need explaining, the proof is all over this forum.

I think I've got a passion for the club, used to play myself on Tonteg Park for Llantwit when Alan Warboys was our trainer, that will tell you how long I've been a supporter if you can remember him.

That pitch use to have a hell of a slope in them days, it's a lot better now

Yes, the old slope (eventually dug out flat) and the fence at the back to stop the ball going into the gardens of the houses behind the far goal; one of which belonged to the Breeze family; home of three tidy players in Gary, Gerwyn and Rhodri (or was Rhodri the cousin?)

Some good players around, too...and some right characters to have a laugh with...but not to mess with!

Memories, eh?? [/quote]
Gareth, Gerwyn & their sister Lynne used to live there, Rhodri was their cousin.

Too right you need to explain, fella. You have (not for the first time) tarred a group of people on here with a pretty thick brush, when you neither know them or understand their thinking

One or two Forum Members have asked for an answer, as they think you are bang out of line

It's not about 'my' sensitivities. I am used to you and your daft comments/replies/contradictions, but I do agree that what you wrote there was way out of order and needs explaining

Your answer above just repeats the original quote, using toned down language

Sven, this forum allows people to abuse other members for no good reason, so I'd hardly class Jon's remark as "way out of order".

He's right though, there's some on here for whom Tan can do no wrong.. The tan apologists.

Hell, we even had one member suggesting new names for the club to keep Tan on board!

This is the biggest problem with the rebrand. It makes no commercial sense.

We now have a confused identity
Colour is not a determining factor in who people support
Most 'customers' have been upset (to varying degrees)
Most businesses rebrands are successful, people like them, or they are ambivalent. In City's case, most people hate it or are ambivalent.
All industries are specific. Cardiff is in the football industry where identity, history etc DO matter.I don't care about Lloyds TSB's colours are. It isn't important, yet in football, and sport in general these kind of things are important.

People often talk about the Washington Redskins maybe changing there name as it becomes increasingly controvsial. If I were a redskins fans, I'd probably oppose it, but at least there is a rationale behind them become the Washington Reds. At least it is understandable and makes sense.

Our rebrand makes zero sense. It hasn't benefitted us one bit, apart from in Tan's own warped mind.

It's full of shit, and as a customer of HSBC and Cardiff City, I'll tell you now..I care far more about the latter. I will switch my bank on a whim, but I won't switch my football club.

Our colours and identity mean a lot to me, and I'm not going to give it up without a fight.

That fight continues sunday, 2pm, outside the castle. All City fans should consider being there IMO.

How do you or anyone else outside of football ownership/conected to the football business world have any idea. The owners are far more tapped into the potential of the club financially than we are. You are commenting on the rebrand, with few facts avaliable to you

This is the biggest problem with the rebrand. It makes no commercial sense.

The owners are far more tapped into the potential of the club financially than we are. You are commenting on the rebrand, with few facts avaliable to you

The owner is just tapped. Tan has not got got a clue of the potential of our club at all and his recent antics have done nothing but damage us on the global stage. Sacking moody was proof enough for me and if you want more proof then Tan is certainly causing more harm than good by trying to tell Malky what tactics he should be adopting. The only potential that Tan can see is the blatant exploitation of our name and tradition to make himself a quick buck. This man has no interest in football other than treating us as an extention of his own name and ego who is only interested in self promotion at all costs.
The egotistical dictator should ship out before he causes us any more embarrassment and before all you Tan appeasers comment further remember that this forum has its roots in blue and as Annis has stated always will.

This is the biggest problem with the rebrand. It makes no commercial sense.

We now have a confused identity
Colour is not a determining factor in who people support
Most 'customers' have been upset (to varying degrees)
Most businesses rebrands are successful, people like them, or they are ambivalent. In City's case, most people hate it or are ambivalent.
All industries are specific. Cardiff is in the football industry where identity, history etc DO matter.I don't care about Lloyds TSB's colours are. It isn't important, yet in football, and sport in general these kind of things are important.

People often talk about the Washington Redskins maybe changing there name as it becomes increasingly controvsial. If I were a redskins fans, I'd probably oppose it, but at least there is a rationale behind them become the Washington Reds. At least it is understandable and makes sense.

Our rebrand makes zero sense. It hasn't benefitted us one bit, apart from in Tan's own warped mind.

It's full of shit, and as a customer of HSBC and Cardiff City, I'll tell you now..I care far more about the latter. I will switch my bank on a whim, but I won't switch my football club.

Our colours and identity mean a lot to me, and I'm not going to give it up without a fight.

That fight continues sunday, 2pm, outside the castle. All City fans should consider being there IMO.

How do you or anyone else outside of football ownership/conected to the football business world have any idea. The owners are far more tapped into the potential of the club financially than we are. You are commenting on the rebrand, with few facts avaliable to you

Mate, no one in the football business world has ever suggested it is remotely a good idea. It's a simple idea that has no validity to it and Tan has run with it..f**k know's why..to flex his muscles, to stress to the far east that he is powerful, or just for the hell of it. The point is, no one ever supported a club because of a colour..it's a ridiculous concept.

We care about blue, but the far east couldn't care less what colour we play in.

Don't you think there would be press releases galore from the club if we were reaping any benefits?

There aren't. I agree with you, that no one has perfect evidence, but you give me evidence that we've sold our identity for any commercial benefit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18338444