Wales v Finland

If a man who qualifies to play for a country I see no reason why he cant be captain of that country

the qualification criteria maybe needs to be re-examined other than that i have no real issue

Agreed, if he's eligible to play then he's got to be eligible to be captain.

Is anyone going on Saturday?

Ramsey and Bale have both been training today, and tickets are £10.
I still think they're going to be very lucky to get 10k there.

Washing my hair sorry.

As a Welshman born outside of the country, I It find it particularly irksome that others feel they are in some capacity 'more Welsh' due to something they had no control over.

How does birthplace alter you as a person? Your family do, where you grow up does, but the hospital you were born in? I don't buy it.

That said, Williams is total shit and for that reason shouldn't be captain

OK

Where your born doesn't necessarily matter. If I'm 20th generation welsh but work abroad for a while and have a child born in say, Dubai, does that make them an Arab?

Blood line counts as much if not more than where you happen to pop out.

I don't want a foreign manager

Oh really? That's not what you say here: -

Foreign all day long.

In this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=122795

You clown.

Whinges about a non welsh captain yet wants a non welsh manager.

It's also quite easy to 'boycott' Wales when we're rubbish.

As with many others who are refusing to go, if we qualified for the World Cup/Euro I bet they'd forget about Williams being captain or Coleman being in charge. (who am I kidding - we won't qualify with him in charge! )

This. He's obviously not going 'cause we're shit, he's just using the whole captain of Wales thing as an excuse.

I don't want a foreign manager

Oh really? That's not what you say here: -

Foreign all day long.

In this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=122795

You clown.

Whinges about a non welsh captain yet wants a non welsh manager.

It's also quite easy to 'boycott' Wales when we're rubbish.

As with many others who are refusing to go, if we qualified for the World Cup/Euro I bet they'd forget about Williams being captain or Coleman being in charge. (who am I kidding - we won't qualify with him in charge! )

This. He's obviously not going 'cause we're shit, he's just using the whole captain of Wales thing as an excuse.

How am I not going because we're shit? We haven't exactly been brilliant nor good for ages so I could of stopped then?

It isn't excuse it is something I am truly against.

I'll be there, as always. He may not be Welsh. But he gives 100% in a welsh shirt and sings the anthems. If he qualifys. He can captain.

I'll be there, with my little pick and man-flu. Women just don't understand how bad man-flu is. The bastards.

Gutted I'm not going, love Wales games

Not stepping foot at a Welsh game after what they've done.

What's that?

Making a mockery of Wales in a way. Letting an English man lead us out as a nation.. I find it impossible to take pride and urge the team on with that embarrassment.

FAW or Coleman, how they believe picking an Englishman as captain is just a p*ss take, goes for any nationality if it's Scottish.

I will have someone slate me on this view but I boycotted since it happened, I sold my Scotland tickets for home when it happened and also saved a lot of money for Scotland away which I was excited about.

Can't believe the thick, bitter tossers who post on this site. Ashley Williams plays for Wales because the rules say that he can. He qualifies via his Welsh grandfather. As does Hal Robson-Kanu, Simon Church, Sam Ricketts etc etc. Michael Owen played for England but was born in Wales -because that's the rules. But no-one mentions those, do they? Why? Because they don't play for Swansea. It's you tossers who are the embarrassment. Get over it and get behind your country. You're a disgrace

Not stepping foot at a Welsh game after what they've done.

What's that?

Making a mockery of Wales in a way. Letting an English man lead us out as a nation.. I find it impossible to take pride and urge the team on with that embarrassment.

FAW or Coleman, how they believe picking an Englishman as captain is just a p*ss take, goes for any nationality if it's Scottish.

I will have someone slate me on this view but I boycotted since it happened, I sold my Scotland tickets for home when it happened and also saved a lot of money for Scotland away which I was excited about.

Can't believe the thick, bitter tossers who post on this site. Ashley Williams plays for Wales because the rules say that he can. He qualifies via his Welsh grandfather. As does Hal Robson-Kanu, Simon Church, Sam Ricketts etc etc. Michael Owen played for England but was born in Wales -because that's the rules. But no-one mentions those, do they? Why? Because they don't play for Swansea. It's you tossers who are the embarrassment. Get over it and get behind your country. You're a disgrace

Good points made, but in fairness, Ricketts is horse shit and always has been

Loads of players similar to williams have played for wales over the last few decades i don't see the problem..Ashley Williams turns up and gives it his all in a welsh jersey and thats good enough for most..

Not stepping foot at a Welsh game after what they've done.

What's that?

Making a mockery of Wales in a way. Letting an English man lead us out as a nation.. I find it impossible to take pride and urge the team on with that embarrassment.

FAW or Coleman, how they believe picking an Englishman as captain is just a p*ss take, goes for any nationality if it's Scottish.

I will have someone slate me on this view but I boycotted since it happened, I sold my Scotland tickets for home when it happened and also saved a lot of money for Scotland away which I was excited about.

Can't believe the thick, bitter tossers who post on this site. Ashley Williams plays for Wales because the rules say that he can. He qualifies via his Welsh grandfather. As does Hal Robson-Kanu, Simon Church, Sam Ricketts etc etc. Michael Owen played for England but was born in Wales -because that's the rules. But no-one mentions those, do they? Why? Because they don't play for Swansea. It's you tossers who are the embarrassment. Get over it and get behind your country. You're a disgrace

Spot on.

Not stepping foot at a Welsh game after what they've done.

What's that?

Making a mockery of Wales in a way. Letting an English man lead us out as a nation.. I find it impossible to take pride and urge the team on with that embarrassment.

FAW or Coleman, how they believe picking an Englishman as captain is just a p*ss take, goes for any nationality if it's Scottish.

I will have someone slate me on this view but I boycotted since it happened, I sold my Scotland tickets for home when it happened and also saved a lot of money for Scotland away which I was excited about.

Can't believe the thick, bitter tossers who post on this site. Ashley Williams plays for Wales because the rules say that he can. He qualifies via his Welsh grandfather. As does Hal Robson-Kanu, Simon Church, Sam Ricketts etc etc. Michael Owen played for England but was born in Wales -because that's the rules. But no-one mentions those, do they? Why? Because they don't play for Swansea. It's you tossers who are the embarrassment. Get over it and get behind your country. You're a disgrace

Good points made, but in fairness, Ricketts is horse shit and always has been

Not disputing that, mate, but the thread is not about the quality of the player, it's about their right to play for Wales

So boycott Wales for giving the captaincy to a player you dont agree with... Yet back Tan stripping the club of its identity?

Not stepping foot at a Welsh game after what they've done.

What's that?

Making a mockery of Wales in a way. Letting an English man lead us out as a nation.. I find it impossible to take pride and urge the team on with that embarrassment.

FAW or Coleman, how they believe picking an Englishman as captain is just a p*ss take, goes for any nationality if it's Scottish.

I will have someone slate me on this view but I boycotted since it happened, I sold my Scotland tickets for home when it happened and also saved a lot of money for Scotland away which I was excited about.

Can't believe the thick, bitter tossers who post on this site. Ashley Williams plays for Wales because the rules say that he can. He qualifies via his Welsh grandfather. As does Hal Robson-Kanu, Simon Church, Sam Ricketts etc etc. Michael Owen played for England but was born in Wales -because that's the rules. But no-one mentions those, do they? Why? Because they don't play for Swansea. It's you tossers who are the embarrassment. Get over it and get behind your country. You're a disgrace

Good points made, but in fairness, Ricketts is horse shit and always has been

He was a good player that always did a solid day's work, but him playing for Wales these days is a sign of how badly we are lacking in the centre-half department whenever Williams, Collins or Gabbidon are missing/not playing.

Not stepping foot at a Welsh game after what they've done.

What's that?

Making a mockery of Wales in a way. Letting an English man lead us out as a nation.. I find it impossible to take pride and urge the team on with that embarrassment.

FAW or Coleman, how they believe picking an Englishman as captain is just a p*ss take, goes for any nationality if it's Scottish.

I will have someone slate me on this view but I boycotted since it happened, I sold my Scotland tickets for home when it happened and also saved a lot of money for Scotland away which I was excited about.

Can't believe the thick, bitter tossers who post on this site. Ashley Williams plays for Wales because the rules say that he can. He qualifies via his Welsh grandfather. As does Hal Robson-Kanu, Simon Church, Sam Ricketts etc etc. Michael Owen played for England but was born in Wales -because that's the rules. But no-one mentions those, do they? Why? Because they don't play for Swansea. It's you tossers who are the embarrassment. Get over it and get behind your country. You're a disgrace

Michael Owen was born in England

Not stepping foot at a Welsh game after what they've done.

What's that?

Making a mockery of Wales in a way. Letting an English man lead us out as a nation.. I find it impossible to take pride and urge the team on with that embarrassment.

FAW or Coleman, how they believe picking an Englishman as captain is just a p*ss take, goes for any nationality if it's Scottish.

I will have someone slate me on this view but I boycotted since it happened, I sold my Scotland tickets for home when it happened and also saved a lot of money for Scotland away which I was excited about.

Can't believe the thick, bitter tossers who post on this site. Ashley Williams plays for Wales because the rules say that he can. He qualifies via his Welsh grandfather. As does Hal Robson-Kanu, Simon Church, Sam Ricketts etc etc. Michael Owen played for England but was born in Wales -because that's the rules. But no-one mentions those, do they? Why? Because they don't play for Swansea. It's you tossers who are the embarrassment. Get over it and get behind your country. You're a disgrace

Michael Owen was born in England

I think he just lived in Wales.

Good to see we continued where we left off ......

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -

Albert Einsein

Good to see we continued where we left off ......

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -

Albert Einsein

We haven't lost for 3 games now. We have beaten Finland once in eight attempts. Today was disappointing we didnt close it out but a decent result none the less.

Still points to the fact that out of 16 games we have only won 4, that qualifies as a success for Wales......

Not stepping foot at a Welsh game after what they've done.

What's that?

Making a mockery of Wales in a way. Letting an English man lead us out as a nation.. I find it impossible to take pride and urge the team on with that embarrassment.

FAW or Coleman, how they believe picking an Englishman as captain is just a p*ss take, goes for any nationality if it's Scottish.

I will have someone slate me on this view but I boycotted since it happened, I sold my Scotland tickets for home when it happened and also saved a lot of money for Scotland away which I was excited about.

Can't believe the thick, bitter tossers who post on this site. Ashley Williams plays for Wales because the rules say that he can. He qualifies via his Welsh grandfather. As does Hal Robson-Kanu, Simon Church, Sam Ricketts etc etc. Michael Owen played for England but was born in Wales -because that's the rules. But no-one mentions those, do they? Why? Because they don't play for Swansea. It's you tossers who are the embarrassment. Get over it and get behind your country. You're a disgrace

Michael Owen was born in Chester but schooled in North Wales, if he was coming through now he would have been able to play for Wales they changed the rules regarding eligibility its the same situation & why Coleman approached Ryan Shawcross who was brought up in North Wales.

No problem with Ashley Williams being captain fair play he may be limited in ability but always tries his best & turns up.

Its not only game tonight that we conceded late goal! It's an inherent failure of ours lost count how many times its happened, we just don't have the player's to defend against pressure! Coleman is just a part of the problem.

why was cotterill brought on surely he cannot be in colemans long term plans,i would rather have seen emyr huws given a run out.tonight just seemed to have been a Swansea reunion.

why was cotterill brought on surely he cannot be in colemans long term plans,i would rather have seen emyr huws given a run out.tonight just seemed to have been a Swansea reunion.

Because Cotterill has oremier league and international experience, if hed brought in Huws people would be saying "why is he bringing on someone who plays for Northampton Town."

Although Emyr Huws is also ex Swansea dont forget.

If Williams played for Aston Villa do you think people would be moaning about him? Nope.

I think the captain should be welsh-born. I'd say the same if Turner was captain (had he accepted the invitation to play for Wales).

Whilst I do think Williams is over rated, to call him total shit is absolute nonsense.

Calling him s**t is stupid. We would be lost without him sometimes in some games I seen. I appreciate what he done like the rest it isn't exactly his fault he's captain.

So your happy to say we'd be lost with out him and appreciate what hes done, but as soon as he puts the armband on you boycott?

you're either against him playing or not

If a man who qualifies to play for a country I see no reason why he cant be captain of that country

the qualification criteria maybe needs to be re-examined other than that i have no real issue

Agreed, if he's eligible to play then he's got to be eligible to be captain.

Of course he can be captain, he is captain, doesn't make it right tho.

Of course he can be captain, he is captain, doesn't make it right tho.

Doesnt make it wrong either though does it.

Of course he can be captain, he is captain, doesn't make it right tho.

Doesnt make it wrong either though does it.

I'm yes it makes it very wrong and ruins what would be a real Welsh man's dream. Did Williams as a child dream of captaining Wales? Of course not.

Of course he can be captain, he is captain, doesn't make it right tho.

Doesnt make it wrong either though does it.

I'm yes it makes it very wrong and ruins what would be a real Welsh man's dream. Did Williams as a child dream of captaining Wales? Of course not.

How do you know what Ashley Williams dreamed of as a boy?

But no, it doesnt make it wrong at all. He has welsh blood and is commited to the cause. Probably more than any other captain i can remember.

I dont know what people think a captain represents. A captain isnt anything other than a man who posesses leadership qualities and sets by example, he does it without hesitation. He is the vessel to carry the managers instructions on the pitch.

So it seems odd a foreign manager is fine but someone with welsh blood cant do that job on the pitch.