Wales up to 44th in World Rankings

Right, I have never liked Coleman as a manager from his Fulham/COV days,
but bar shambolic performances home and away against Serbia (I put the home defeat half down to some shambolic goalkeeping by Boaz Myhill (IMO one of the worst international goalkeepers i have ever seen), and in Macedonia.

we haven't played too badly, a unlucky 2-1 defeat at home to croatia, home and away wins over the scottish, fantastic performances home to (albeit a very weak) Macedonia side at home, and a great draw in Belgium. let alone the fact that until we went down to 10 men against Belgium at the CCS we were by far the better side. cut the guy some slack. he moved us up in the rankings the week

He can't do anymore than what he has done lately. carry on like we are, he will take us into Euro'16

Euro 16,no chance with Coleman in charge,and that's nothing to do with him being a jack,just simply because he ain't got a clue,the thrashing by Serbia proves my point,the point we picked up in Belgium,has just papered over the cracks,Belgium had already qualified,it was simply a game that they wanted to avoid injuries in

Cant have another repeating session with Barry. If you think he was poor at Fulham and had an "okay" time in Cyprus then you arent talking with any sort of perspective so id only have to run over his record again which ive done many times. Its up to you to understand it for the debate with us two to move forward to any sort of worthy conclusion. You seem to be trolling unfortunately.

However to you mr caerblue, you seem to be stating Larissa arent a good side yet ignoring he did incredibly well there. It doesnt matter who else wanted the job, not many people want the Wales job either. Hence he was the best candidate and probably still is. You dont really seem to have a point at all.

If you think he was outstanding anywhere, then you aren't looking at any perspective.

It's Funny though, that you accuse me of trolling, just for disagreeing with you... Yet when you get accused of trolling for posting your opinion which disagrees, you get all upset about it.

Started well at Fulham before slumping & getting sacked after poor performances... Went to 2nd division Sociedad & walked out after doing okay and being 5th... Dreadful at Coventry & did okay at Larissa, yet the standard of Cypriot football doesn't give this much relevance..

He could win the Welsh Prem with TNS... Successful, yet that wouldn't make him good enough for the welsh job, surely you can see that.

You seem to be trolling unfortunately.

Irony overload.

Barry, you do realise Larissa team he managed are from Thessaly and play in the Greek league system? And have you happened to have played or watched much Greek league football then? It's not exactly shambolic and being an international manager is all about getting experience of foreign football surely? Like ive said before, i've slagged him off no end in the past couple of weeks but he's by no means dont absolutely shite elsewhere apart from Coventry.

Coleman is still a clueless jack c**t

The real reason you lot dislike him...he's a Jack. Really sad.

The real reason is like I said he's clueless,most international managers would have no problem getting a top club job,Coleman would struggle to get a job conference level,fact

Wtf

Remind me where he was managing before???

The premier league where he was a success at fulham, the segunda division and la liga where he was a success at Sociadad, a poor spell at Coventry in the Championship and an incredibly successful spell in Cyprus.

Successful at every club lol,another delusional jack,the guy is on £100,000 a year,in football that's peanuts,if he had an opportunity to manage a club side,he'd be gone like a shot,the only reason he's still managing wales is because,he's never had a offer

what manager would you bring in for £100,000 a year , i'm no fan of coleman but the FAW will not spend decent money on a tidy manager so unfortunately there aren't many alternatives and the main reason you don't like him is because of his links with swansea which for (i'm assuming) a grown man that is pathetic

If you think he was outstanding anywhere, then you aren't looking at any perspective.

It's Funny though, that you accuse me of trolling, just for disagreeing with you... Yet when you get accused of trolling for posting your opinion which disagrees, you get all upset about it.

Started well at Fulham before slumping & getting sacked after poor performances... Went to 2nd division Sociedad & walked out after doing okay and being 5th... Dreadful at Coventry & did okay at Larissa, yet the standard of Cypriot football doesn't give this much relevance..

He could win the Welsh Prem with TNS... Successful, yet that wouldn't make him good enough for the welsh job, surely you can see that.

who would you bring in barry ?

Successful at every club lol,another delusional jack,the guy is on £100,000 a year,in football that's peanuts,if he had an opportunity to manage a club side,he'd be gone like a shot,the only reason he's still managing wales is because,he's never had a offer

Very interesting. Maybe worth a word in Tan's ear just in case Malky leaves?

If you think he was outstanding anywhere, then you aren't looking at any perspective.

14 wins 4 draws 2 losses.

It's Funny though, that you accuse me of trolling, just for disagreeing with you... Yet when you get accused of trolling for posting your opinion which disagrees, you get all upset about it.

im not accusing you of trolling for disagreeing, im accusing you if trolling by ignoring what im saying and continuing to twist things. You are a fairly intelligent bloke when you arent being a bit of a child, yet you have taken the stamce that at Fulham you arent looking past the fact he was sacked

Started well at Fulham before slumping & getting sacked after poor performances... Went to 2nd division Sociedad & walked out after doing okay and being 5th... Dreadful at Coventry & did okay at Larissa, yet the standard of Cypriot football doesn't give this much relevance..

hence my point.... Why did the teams slump then barry? Was it his managerial skills? Or was it the fact Al Fayed sold all their best players? They were tipped to go down every season he was there is the fact. How is 14 wins out of 20 just okay? it is this reason it seems clear you are trolling.

He could win the Welsh Prem with TNS... Successful, yet that wouldn't make him good enough for the welsh job, surely you can see that.

but it wouldnt make him not good enough either would it. Winning anything can only be a positive and only a cretin would use it as a reason to discredit him. However the Greek league contains many Greek internationals, the side that would beat wales comfortably ironically enough. Far superior to the welsh league. His good record at Fulham and Sociadad ONTOP of his excellent record in Cyprus was the reason he got the welsh job. Again a reason why i think you are trolling, you are ignoring obvious successes.

If you think he was outstanding anywhere, then you aren't looking at any perspective.

14 wins 4 draws 2 losses.

It's Funny though, that you accuse me of trolling, just for disagreeing with you... Yet when you get accused of trolling for posting your opinion which disagrees, you get all upset about it.

im not accusing you of trolling for disagreeing, im accusing you if trolling by ignoring what im saying and continuing to twist things. You are a fairly intelligent bloke when you arent being a bit of a child, yet you have taken the stamce that at Fulham you arent looking past the fact he was sacked

Started well at Fulham before slumping & getting sacked after poor performances... Went to 2nd division Sociedad & walked out after doing okay and being 5th... Dreadful at Coventry & did okay at Larissa, yet the standard of Cypriot football doesn't give this much relevance..

hence my point.... Why did the teams slump then barry? Was it his managerial skills? Or was it the fact Al Fayed sold all their best players? They were tipped to go down every season he was there is the fact. How is 14 wins out of 20 just okay? it is this reason it seems clear you are trolling.

He could win the Welsh Prem with TNS... Successful, yet that wouldn't make him good enough for the welsh job, surely you can see that.

but it wouldnt make him not good enough either would it. Winning anything can only be a positive and only a cretin would use it as a reason to discredit him. However the Greek league contains many Greek internationals, the side that would beat wales comfortably ironically enough. Far superior to the welsh league. His good record at Fulham and Sociadad ONTOP of his excellent record in Cyprus was the reason he got the welsh job. Again a reason why i think you are trolling, you are ignoring obvious successes.

Ok ok, Coleman's a great manager etc. ...Would you jump at the chance of Coleman to manage the Jacks if Laudrup went?

So he took a Real Sociedad team to fifth in the second division.

That same Sociedad team that finished 4th in La Liga last hear qualifying for Champion's League?

Who would you have instead , anyone can answer

So none of you are listening to the comments made by the players? The fans don't know best. Think about it.

As if the players would come out in the press and say they want Coleman sacked

Correct...but they don't need to fully praise him as much as they have and keep reiterating the fact that they want him to stay.

They've said it more and more throughout the qualifying campaign.

Was James Collins one of those players?

No, but we all know about that as it's been well publicised. Whatever happened there, Collins turned up and played when called upon. If it was that bad then he wouldn't have turned up.

Neil Taylor -
"It's got to be difficult for him when he gets half a squad, or not even half a squad like this time," Taylor added."But it shows what he got out of us is what he's capable of and we want to build on that for him."Hopefully when we get all the players back, what we can produce should be great."

Ashley Williams -
“Chris Coleman has done a great job when you consider the difficult circumstances when he came in.
“Over our last few matches it’s clear things are getting back to where they were under Gary Speed. That’s really pleasing.
“It would be stupid to change the manager and I can’t believe anybody is even talking about it.
“Yes, there has been criticism of him, but not from anyone who matters. People have just been talking for talking’s sake. “Nobody in our dressing room is concerned about it and the players are right behind Chris Coleman.”

Chris Gunter -
“For sure he is the man to take us forward.

“The circumstances in which he took over the job were almost impossible in a way. “We’ve seen over our last few games the atmosphere around the place has been as good as it can be. It’s probably as good as it’s been since I have been involved with Wales and if you speak to any of the players they will say exactly the same thing.

“Any talk of changing manager would be ridiculous in my opinion.“The defeat against Croatia was harsh on us and extremely disappointing.“But we played a top class team and showed we can match them.
“Wales have a really good squad. We may have had some disappointing results, but within that there have been some really good performances.“We’ll just get our heads down and keep pressing ahead.”

Steve Morison -
“[After Gary Speed’s death] it was a really tough time and it took a big man to come in and try to fill his shoes, but he’s stepped up to the plate and I think he has done really, really well.

“It frustrating [a new deal] hasn’t been sorted yet but I’m sure, after this next game on Tuesday against Belgium, I’m sure a few issues will be sorted out and we’ll go again and he’ll be a big part of that.

“All the boys like him. We all like playing for him and we all want him to be there in the future. Hopefully that will happen.”

If you think he was outstanding anywhere, then you aren't looking at any perspective.

14 wins 4 draws 2 losses.

It's Funny though, that you accuse me of trolling, just for disagreeing with you... Yet when you get accused of trolling for posting your opinion which disagrees, you get all upset about it.

im not accusing you of trolling for disagreeing, im accusing you if trolling by ignoring what im saying and continuing to twist things. You are a fairly intelligent bloke when you arent being a bit of a child, yet you have taken the stamce that at Fulham you arent looking past the fact he was sacked

Started well at Fulham before slumping & getting sacked after poor performances... Went to 2nd division Sociedad & walked out after doing okay and being 5th... Dreadful at Coventry & did okay at Larissa, yet the standard of Cypriot football doesn't give this much relevance..

hence my point.... Why did the teams slump then barry? Was it his managerial skills? Or was it the fact Al Fayed sold all their best players? They were tipped to go down every season he was there is the fact. How is 14 wins out of 20 just okay? it is this reason it seems clear you are trolling.

He could win the Welsh Prem with TNS... Successful, yet that wouldn't make him good enough for the welsh job, surely you can see that.

but it wouldnt make him not good enough either would it. Winning anything can only be a positive and only a cretin would use it as a reason to discredit him. However the Greek league contains many Greek internationals, the side that would beat wales comfortably ironically enough. Far superior to the welsh league. His good record at Fulham and Sociadad ONTOP of his excellent record in Cyprus was the reason he got the welsh job. Again a reason why i think you are trolling, you are ignoring obvious successes.

Ok ok, Coleman's a great manager etc. ...Would you jump at the chance of Coleman to manage the Jacks if Laudrup went?

No because Swansea are the 9th best team in the best league in the world.

If we were the 44th best such as Wales then he would certainly be a contender.

So he took a Real Sociedad team to fifth in the second division.

That same Sociedad team that finished 4th in La Liga last hear qualifying for Champion's League?

Meaning what?

Are you suggesting its the same team?

Coleman is going to turn us around.

Qatar 2020 is our year!

Coleman is going to turn us around.

Qatar 2020 is our year!

We dont have the luxury or the budget for a manager with the ability to turn us into a force on the international stage. Given our budget and the level of kudos that comes with manager of the Welsh set up then I think Coleman is on par with the best we can hope for.

we have enough about the team to finish 3rd in a qualifying group (which gets you a playoff for the euros). a nice draw, no injuries and a solid platform starting from the manager.

even this one, which was awful, we went into the last game against belgium with a chance of getting third, so its very much in reach.

Who cares what the players say, the managers job is to win football matches not a popularity contest.

Neil Taylor is a bit part player anyway, Steve Morrison too and if I was Williams and Gunter id keep my mouth shut because thanks to their amateur defending weve conceded a record amount of goals this campaign.

Successful at every club lol,another delusional jack,the guy is on £100,000 a year,in football that's peanuts,if he had an opportunity to manage a club side,he'd be gone like a shot,the only reason he's still managing wales is because,he's never had a offer

Very interesting. Maybe worth a word in Tan's ear just in case Malky leaves?

I think he's already employed a painter for next year,thanks anyway

Coleman is still a clueless jack c**t

The real reason you lot dislike him...he's a Jack. Really sad.

The real reason is like I said he's clueless,most international managers would have no problem getting a top club job,Coleman would struggle to get a job conference level,fact

Wtf

Remind me where he was managing before???

The premier league where he was a success at fulham, the segunda division and la liga where he was a success at Sociadad, a poor spell at Coventry in the Championship and an incredibly successful spell in Cyprus.

Successful at every club lol,another delusional jack,the guy is on £100,000 a year,in football that's peanuts,if he had an opportunity to manage a club side,he'd be gone like a shot,the only reason he's still managing wales is because,he's never had a offer

what manager would you bring in for £100,000 a year , i'm no fan of coleman but the FAW will not spend decent money on a tidy manager so unfortunately there aren't many alternatives and the main reason you don't like him is because of his links with swansea which for (i'm assuming) a grown man that is pathetic

Tut tut,irrelevant of his past or previous association with the hacks(which I ll openly admit my hate for),Coleman is simply useless,yes player pool has a major day in his team selection,but ain't it strange why so many pull out under his control

Cant have another repeating session with Barry. If you think he was poor at Fulham and had an "okay" time in Cyprus then you arent talking with any sort of perspective so id only have to run over his record again which ive done many times. Its up to you to understand it for the debate with us two to move forward to any sort of worthy conclusion. You seem to be trolling unfortunately.

However to you mr caerblue, you seem to be stating Larissa arent a good side yet ignoring he did incredibly well there. It doesnt matter who else wanted the job, not many people want the Wales job either. Hence he was the best candidate and probably still is. You dont really seem to have a point at all.

My point is very clear,I've no idea the standard of Larissa which says it all,they ain't a well known side,but for a manager to have to go that low,to get a job,more or less sums up my whole argument

Cant have another repeating session with Barry. If you think he was poor at Fulham and had an "okay" time in Cyprus then you arent talking with any sort of perspective so id only have to run over his record again which ive done many times. Its up to you to understand it for the debate with us two to move forward to any sort of worthy conclusion. You seem to be trolling unfortunately.

However to you mr caerblue, you seem to be stating Larissa arent a good side yet ignoring he did incredibly well there. It doesnt matter who else wanted the job, not many people want the Wales job either. Hence he was the best candidate and probably still is. You dont really seem to have a point at all.

My point is very clear,I've no idea the standard of Larissa which says it all,they ain't a well known side,but for a manager to have to go that low,to get a job,more or less sums up my whole argument

And its a ridiculous argument. Instead of judging how well they have performed you would rather look what country they managed in last?

If thats the case im sure Ray Verhaijen will never work again, didnt he go to Armenia after us... Which of course was the choice of many on here.

We are Wales. We are not going to get the current manager of the Real Madrid and Barcas of this world. As you yourself have pointed, our budget is small.

So considering all that plus who would want to manage us... Chris coleman is one of the best we could have done and hes doing just fine.

Who cares what the players say, the managers job is to win football matches not a popularity contest.

Neil Taylor is a bit part player anyway, Steve Morrison too and if I was Williams and Gunter id keep my mouth shut because thanks to their amateur defending weve conceded a record amount of goals this campaign.

I think you've missed my point here. From what I've seen of your posts on here, you are one of the more sensible ones.

There's been a lot of chat about players not turning up for Wales, Coleman not being inspiring and not having a clue. Well, regardless of how well you rate the players or where they rank in the squad, some of them like Ash are speaking on behalf of others. They wouldn't confidently speak that highly of him in public if it wasn't a shared opinion amongst the squad. That's my opinion anyway.

In reality, we've taken 4 points from the last two games when we could easily have lost both, with a very inexperienced and patched up side. The defence especially. Those results show that something is right.

Cant have another repeating session with Barry. If you think he was poor at Fulham and had an "okay" time in Cyprus then you arent talking with any sort of perspective so id only have to run over his record again which ive done many times. Its up to you to understand it for the debate with us two to move forward to any sort of worthy conclusion. You seem to be trolling unfortunately.

However to you mr caerblue, you seem to be stating Larissa arent a good side yet ignoring he did incredibly well there. It doesnt matter who else wanted the job, not many people want the Wales job either. Hence he was the best candidate and probably still is. You dont really seem to have a point at all.

My point is very clear,I've no idea the standard of Larissa which says it all,they ain't a well known side,but for a manager to have to go that low,to get a job,more or less sums up my whole argument

And its a ridiculous argument. Instead of judging how well they have performed you would rather look what country they managed in last?

If thats the case im sure Ray Verhaijen will never work again, didnt he go to Armenia after us... Which of course was the choice of many on here.

We are Wales. We are not going to get the current manager of the Real Madrid and Barcas of this world. As you yourself have pointed, our budget is small.

So considering all that plus who would want to manage us... Chris coleman is one of the best we could have done and hes doing just fine.

He's doing fine ,I take it you don't have much understanding of football

Yep hes doing fine.

We are Wales. Havent qualified for a tournament since the 50's. we have just drawn away at a top 10 team and the most expensively assembled international team on the planet after getting 3 points at home and beating Scotland home and away. No different to nearly every campaign we have had for the last 60 years barring the odd close call.

I dont know what you are expecting, us to turn into Brazil?

Give him another campaign shown enough this campaign to take us forward. His record at other clubs is irrelevant as he's managed us now for over a year, judge him on that. Ranking equally as irrelevant and I am sure Roathie would peddle the line of "They are pointless" if Coleman had taken us down the rankings.

And for the clueless few who are bashing Cypriot football. A team from Cyprus (APOEL) qualified for the Champions league group stages a few years ago and not only qualified from a very tough group but topped it. They then went on to beat Lyon in the next knockout round before losing to Real.

Who cares what the players say, the managers job is to win football matches not a popularity contest.

Neil Taylor is a bit part player anyway, Steve Morrison too and if I was Williams and Gunter id keep my mouth shut because thanks to their amateur defending weve conceded a record amount of goals this campaign.

I think you've missed my point here. From what I've seen of your posts on here, you are one of the more sensible ones.

There's been a lot of chat about players not turning up for Wales, Coleman not being inspiring and not having a clue. Well, regardless of how well you rate the players or where they rank in the squad, some of them like Ash are speaking on behalf of others. They wouldn't confidently speak that highly of him in public if it wasn't a shared opinion amongst the squad. That's my opinion anyway.

In reality, we've taken 4 points from the last two games when we could easily have lost both, with a very inexperienced and patched up side. The defence especially. Those results show that something is right.

Oh come on fella, Macedonia are shit if we cant take 3 points against the likes of them when we have talent like Aaron Ramsey then there is something wrong. Belgium, were taking the piss the other night, they had already qualified and were strolling about. Even then they had enough chances to hammer us.

I dont think Coleman is any great shakes, his defensive organisation is woeful, he even manages to make Ashley Williams look like a donkey, when he plays for the Jacks he looks a very acomplished defender. But then I think whats the point of replacing him if you are going to pay peanuts then only monkeys will apply for the job.

Sadly we havent got a big benefactor like the Irish FA so we cant go out and employ a quality foreign coach who could get us more organised and tuned in for international football which is a shame as this is the best bunch of players weve had since the early 90s.

Chuckles had a mare here doesnt know Cyprus from Greece