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No tbh i dont care about those who complain we have always stood there. If you dont like it then move

No tbh i dont care about those who complain we have always stood there. If you dont like it then move

youre wholly selfish basically all your saying is ill do whatever the f**k I want to do regardless of any rules I break because im going to stick it to the man, also I couldnt give a f**k about any other fans around me because its my god given right to block the view of a guy whos spent his hard earned money to watch his team and instead he can spend 100's of pounds watching my fat backside for 90 minutes while I watch the game

then you have the gall to complain that the steward didnt kiss your feet on the way to your seat.

ive listened to some interesting debates on standing and some I have a lot of sympathy for but I cant stand selfishness.

There are more complaints to the club about people standing than people wanting to stand. The club have many complaints from supporters who want to sit and hate having people standing in front of them.

These supporters do not come on here or mike morris site they write to the club.

If that is the case and you are referring to 117 then it explains why the stewards are threatening 5 match bans for standing.

I personally can't see the problem allowing people to stand in 117. The reasoning behind it is that because it is next to the away stand it could cause problems. Yet they put the family stand next to the visitors who are allowed to stand. You can use their argument against them here.

The family stand was put next to the away end for a reason, it reduces Policing costs. as some of the posters have put on here, if you want to stand get over the Canton end, simple as that.

No tbh i dont care about those who complain we have always stood there. If you dont like it then move

That comment, I'm afraid, is where you lose all credibility, fella

You haven't ALWAYS stood there (the stadium is still new) and to say you "don't care" about those who want to sit down is disgraceful

Rules apart, I think you need to consider exactly 'why' some people NEED to sit down in the first place and the impact people like you have on their enjoyment of the game they have paid just as much to watch as you have

There's a simple answer to this. Be consistent!!!! If sitting down in a "stadium rule" then enforce it on the STADIUM!! Not just say its agreed that the Canton can stand as well as the away fans, the rest of you must sit down. That's the answer I got off the stewards when I asked the question.
I totally agree with Barrybados_blue. We have gone from the club/ground that was daunting to away teams. Now we're wearing their shirts behind the bars, playing their teams highlights on the tv's and even bloody singing to them now. What do we get? Threat of bans as we walk in. Don't get me wrong I'm proud that out club has won family club of the year. But the club are killing the atmosphere. In the second half when everyone stood up the atmosphere lifted and so did the teams performance. A co incidence maybe???

There's a simple answer to this. Be consistent!!!! If sitting down in a "stadium rule" then enforce it on the STADIUM!! Not just say its agreed that the Canton can stand as well as the away fans, the rest of you must sit down. That's the answer I got off the stewards when I asked the question.
I totally agree with Barrybados_blue. We have gone from the club/ground that was daunting to away teams. Now we're wearing their shirts behind the bars, playing their teams highlights on the tv's and even bloody singing to them now. What do we get? Threat of bans as we walk in. Don't get me wrong I'm proud that out club has won family club of the year. But the club are killing the atmosphere. In the second half when everyone stood up the atmosphere lifted and so did the teams performance. A co incidence maybe???

No not coincidence the canton stand didnt do anything yesterday they just stood there in silence or are you trying to tell me that only standing in 117 makes a difference to the team?

No I'm not trying to say that. What I mean is that the Canton is just one section of the ground. If we can get all four sides up, singing, shouting and chanting. It can only help the team surely!!

No I'm not trying to say that. What I mean is that the Canton is just one section of the ground. If we can get all four sides up, singing, shouting and chanting. It can only help the team surely!!

but they do as in most grounds one stand starts the chants off in our case the canton stand and then it spreads around the ground

now I chant from my seat I dont know maybe im special somehow as im able to do this great feat. We dont stand very often except in these moments of excitement like when we score a goal and then we sit down again still capable of chanting.

why cant you do that?

The big word throughout this seems to be consistency , and it couldn't be more evident yesterday , a song and dance was made for 15/20 mins during first half about people standing when the second half no one mentioned a thing !!
The standing section in the canton looks great but it is too far away from the away fans to really engage in our witty football banter which makes part of the match day experience , I do understand there are people that sit/stand on both sides of the fence on this subject , but (I may be wrong ) I would think that the majority of block 117 would prefer to stand too !! And th furthest part of the block closest to away fans really can't whinge about anything as there tickets are complimentary from the club as part of the academy etc !!

For the games that the section has stood up has there been any increased safety incidents or arrests etc
In an earlier post it was mentioned that the safety advisor panel bloke had mentioned this if the block closest to away fans was allowed to stand these incidents could occur !!!

As I've said earlier I can see both sides of the argument , I am just putting my view over which I think this board allows me to do !! I can't really see the club banning everyone standing in the block , and potentially could open a can of worms if they tried !! Not a good idea when we need every man and his dog supporting the boys in our quest for premier league survival !!

A mate of mine sits half way up the middle of block 114 and he tells me the standing in 117 blocks a significant part of their view of the corner. That proves the standing has much further reaching consequences than any of the standers obviously realise.

At the end if the day you can't please everybody !! It becomes a standing area , the people who Like to sit whinge , if the club enforce the bans then the standers whinge , what will probably happen is as it is now , the club will allow the standing when it wants ( swansea etc ) but look like they are not tolerating it by threatening bans !! And then everyone gets equal opportunity to whinge !! Problem solved !!

Rather than us all argue the club has got to look at its part in this !! We all know they have allowed the standing for certain games !!! If they didn't from the word go then we wouldn't be having this debate now

I can see both sides of the argument here. I know what your saying, I'm not a moron. What I completely disagree with is a threat of a ban. No official club statement or letter/email. Just some bloke/woman threatening as u walk past.
Let me ask this simple question then. Do you think that the atmosphere is better, more intense and enjoyable when the ground is standing up. A simple answer will suffice.

I can see both sides of the argument here. I know what your saying, I'm not a moron. What I completely disagree with is a threat of a ban. No official club statement or letter/email. Just some bloke/woman threatening as u walk past.
Let me ask this simple question then. Do you think that the atmosphere is better, more intense and enjoyable when the ground is standing up. A simple answer will suffice.

but you already agreed to these regulations when you bought your ticket

I don't think that answers smartccfc question !! Lol


As he said we are not morons , as you can see with our posts , quite diplomatic not abusive !!
This is a topic that you will never get everybody to agree on !! As I said in my last post , it will probably remain as it is !!

So did the rest of the ground, including the away section. Like I said in my original post. CONSISTENCY!!! One rule for one, one for another. You either stick to the rule 100% or not at all, as soon as they allowed one section to stand they opened themselves up for this sort of debate.
Are you going to the question I asked?? An honest answer please, not just one to back your opinion up.

KTC will see a lot more of it, well away from home as he mentioned.

So did the rest of the ground, including the away section. Like I said in my original post. CONSISTENCY!!! One rule for one, one for another. You either stick to the rule 100% or not at all, as soon as they allowed one section to stand they opened themselves up for this sort of debate.
Are you going to the question I asked?? An honest answer please, not just one to back your opinion up.

no what your doing is using a situation to persuade people that your right

you want to stand for the whole game? no problem go to the Canton stand

you like your view from the ninian stand? no problem sit down

youve got to choose whats more important your view or standing

I agree with consistency not the way you perceive it that if I have to sit down everybody else has to sit down

I believe in consistency that if the club wants you to sit down they have to sit the fans every game not just ones where they are being watched.

Am I going to answer your question? I did you asked why there wasnt written confirmation I told you it was when you bought the ticket, its not the clubs fault if you dont read your contract.

Honest answer? yes thats my honest answer but sorry my answer will suit my opinion, because my answer will be based on my opinion and the ground regulations, also my experiences both as a fan and a steward all of which has formed my opinion, a bit of a redundant statement that really never mind.

I don't think that answers smartccfc question !! Lol


As he said we are not morons , as you can see with our posts , quite diplomatic not abusive !!
This is a topic that you will never get everybody to agree on !! As I said in my last post , it will probably remain as it is !!

why didnt it, the ground regulations are written on the back of your ticket, if you bought a season ticket you were given a copy of the ground regulations all of which is written confirmation that if you break the rules and regulations you can be thrown out and banned at the clubs discretion. Ignorance is not a defence you should read what your agreeing to before you sign on the dotted line

So, what if the majority of 117 want to stand? Do the ones who want to sit move to the family or grandstand?? There's an argument on both sides. And again like I said, the same rules and regulations should be adhered to by the canton stand then. It's in their contract too. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

So, what if the majority of 117 want to stand? Do the ones who want to sit move to the family or grandstand?? There's an argument on both sides. And again like I said, the same rules and regulations should be adhered to by the canton stand then. It's in their contract too. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

no there isnt an argument you cant stand in 117 so why stand there? it makes no sense you will get thrown out you will get banned or whatever the club decides to do to you

they have allowed standing in the canton to appease requests from stands but thats still not good enough

all your pushing for is well if I cant stand where I want nobody should be allowed to again very selfish (not that im surprised)

there is nothing in your posts to agree to so yes I suppose we will have to agree to disagree not because ill give up or im wrong, you have no point of view you know the situation if you choose to break the rules you will have to accept the consequences.

The question still hasn't been answered , it wasn't to do with the rules and regulations , but to do with the atmosphere if you look back !! Obviously a little irate to check the wording !!! If you have a little check back through this thread and others that have a similar theme , stewards have said that it's a murky subject and anyone that would want to challenge a ban could tie them up in knots !!!

I think you are missing my point slightly , I'm not having a go at people for standing or sitting just sudden hard line stance now when the club obviously turn a blind eye when it suits them !!

Agree to disagree seems to be the way forward here!!!

1 prawn or 2 in your sandwich ???

The question still hasn't been answered , it wasn't to do with the rules and regulations , but to do with the atmosphere if you look back !! Obviously a little irate to check the wording !!! If you have a little check back through this thread and others that have a similar theme , stewards have said that it's a murky subject and anyone that would want to challenge a ban could tie them up in knots !!!

I think you are missing my point slightly , I'm not having a go at people for standing or sitting just sudden hard line stance now when the club obviously turn a blind eye when it suits them !!

Agree to disagree seems to be the way forward here!!!

1 prawn or 2 in your sandwich ???

i think you will find i was the one who told you how murky it all was and how you could tie stewards in knots

can you not chant sitting down, pretty sure i brought that idea up as well

I think ive already complained about how I hate how inconsistent the club are to enforcing these rules but that doesnt change the fact that the rules are still the rules and if you break them when the club chooses to enforce them you will get in trouble and from what ive read so far your defenses arent going to help you much.

I dont like prawns have you got any beef?

We all pay money ( different amounts granted ) to support our team through thick and thin , why I love football and the reasons I choose to pay to watch it will vary from everybody else's as we all have different match day experiences and ideals !! The people that sit around me , a good mix of generations too will agree we go with the flow if people are stood we stand if people sit we sit! And I don't see anything wrong with that !!

I understand the rules and regulations but the club haven't enforced them from day 1 and that's my point !! Hopefully it can be put to bed sometime and we can unite behind the team !

Beef lol touché

We all pay money ( different amounts granted ) to support our team through thick and thin , why I love football and the reasons I choose to pay to watch it will vary from everybody else's as we all have different match day experiences and ideals !! The people that sit around me , a good mix of generations too will agree we go with the flow if people are stood we stand if people sit we sit! And I don't see anything wrong with that !!

I understand the rules and regulations but the club haven't enforced them from day 1 and that's my point !! Hopefully it can be put to bed sometime and we can unite behind the team !

thats all great but when you handed your money over you agreed to follow a set of rules and regs whether the club enforce them or not. if you break them you open yourself up to getting in trouble. now you are allowed to stand up during moments of excitement so dont let stewards tell you you have to sit down for the whole 90 minutes (this is where the knot starts to get tied)

Stewards requesting to check your ticket when you get in annoy me, particilarly when it's close to kick off! They just delay things, how do they think we got through the turnstiles in the first place? We need our ticket to get in so why ask us to get our ticket out again? Yesterday I just charged past them saying I just needed to use my ticket to get in and you're causing delays to antagonise fans by trying to make them miss kick off!

Stewards requesting to check your ticket when you get in annoy me, particilarly when it's close to kick off! They just delay things, how do they think we got through the turnstiles in the first place? We need our ticket to get in so why ask us to get our ticket out again? Yesterday I just charged past them saying I just needed to use my ticket to get in and you're causing delays to antagonise fans by trying to make them miss kick off!

because they want to make sure your in the right part of the ground why are they trying to make you miss kick-off, why do you turn up at the last minute?

Stewards requesting to check your ticket when you get in annoy me, particilarly when it's close to kick off! They just delay things, how do they think we got through the turnstiles in the first place? We need our ticket to get in so why ask us to get our ticket out again? Yesterday I just charged past them saying I just needed to use my ticket to get in and you're causing delays to antagonise fans by trying to make them miss kick off!

because they want to make sure your in the right part of the ground why are they trying to make you miss kick-off, why do you turn up at the last minute?

If I went into the wrong part of the ground and I was lost, I would then ask a steward where the right place to go was. Are you one of the stewards? I don't turn up at the last minute, I was having a drink in the bar before the game, the stewards delayed everyone and I'm sure many fans trying to get into the ground after me missed kick off because of the stewards delaying things. If I got into the ground and somebody was in my seat or I saw someone in the wrong place, I would point that individual out to the nearest steward. But unneccessarily delaying thousands of fans who know where they're going is pathetic. A large percentage of our attendence are season ticket holders ffs! Is there really any need to stop every fan to cause a queue for no reason?

Stewards requesting to check your ticket when you get in annoy me, particilarly when it's close to kick off! They just delay things, how do they think we got through the turnstiles in the first place? We need our ticket to get in so why ask us to get our ticket out again? Yesterday I just charged past them saying I just needed to use my ticket to get in and you're causing delays to antagonise fans by trying to make them miss kick off!

because they want to make sure your in the right part of the ground why are they trying to make you miss kick-off, why do you turn up at the last minute?

If I went into the wrong part of the ground and I was lost, I would then ask a steward where the right place to go was. Are you one of the stewards? I don't turn up at the last minute, I was having a drink in the bar before the game, the stewards delayed everyone and I'm sure many fans trying to get into the ground after me missed kick off because of the stewards delaying things. If I got into the ground and somebody was in my seat or I saw someone in the wrong place, I would point that individual out to the nearest steward. But unneccessarily delaying thousands of fans who know where they're going is pathetic. A large percentage of our attendence are season ticket holders ffs! Is there really any need to stop every fan to cause a queue for no reason?

all sorts of reasons why stewards would start checking tickets however inconvenient it maybe none of them are for the reasons you state, stewards cant remember everyone. sorry if you felt that stewards were pissing you off on purpose maybe be a bit more patient or if being in your seat at kick off is so important to you try being there in good time just incase they are asking to check tickets