The rebrand. An alternative viewpoint.

As much as red is alien to me and i dont think I will ever be able to embrace it because in my 22 years following City, 21 of them have been in blue, I got talking to a new fan last night, a husband of one of my wifes mates, and it helped me see things from a different perspective. The next generations perspective.

Up until recently this guy never realy followed anyone in particular but hes got plenty of money so used to hire a corporate day a few times a season to watch Man u aty Old Trafford. His son, now 11, wanted to start watching football a few years ago so he started bringing him down the City.

His son got the bug, and they have been season ticket holders for the last 3 years. They went to their first away game Saturday, at Fulham, and his son is buzzing and the guy couldnt believe what an experience it was.

Now I remember this experience, it is what I had when i was 15 and went to my first City game, which happened to be an away game, and Im sure everyone has their own story, and own point when they got that buzz for their football team.

To this guy, and especially his son, the colour blue doesnt mean an awful lot, and why should it? Everyone has got to start somewhere, and whilst some may call this guy and his son a plastic I would say they, well his son certainly, are the next generation.

10 years ago I have no doubt this kid would have been a Liverpool or Man supporter so do we look upon this 11 year old kid, in his red Cardiff top as a sell out, plastic, whatever you want to call anyone who doesnt want the fight for blue or do we look on it as Cardiff evolving and weve gained new fans, and more importantly the next generation of fans?

Good post Chris I'm starting to chill out a bit, still very gutted with all that's happened, and it cost me the whole of last season, first season I missed in 31 years, but that was my choice, the team we have now must be great for the young uns, nevermind us lot...still can't get used to the red tho

The problem is about old and new/traditional or modern, none of whom are plastic, just new but it doesn't give the new lads, of which there are many, the right to back the change of the clubs tradition for no good reason. What will the new lads think in 10 years time if we change to Green to engage the Irish market or Black because it turns out to be luckier than red. or change the name to Real Cardiff to associate with success. I just think it's a soul thing and I have a blue soul some are happy to sell their soul and some don't have one, that's life.

What do you mean they dont have the right to back the club?

This kid doesnt have the right to buy a red shirt? Of course he does.

spot on mario
also the soul selling stuff,utter garbage,that's what turns people off bluebirds unite.
fans just want to support Cardiff City whatever colour.

The problem is about old and new/traditional or modern, none of whom are plastic, just new but it doesn't give the new lads, of which there are many, the right to back the change of the clubs tradition for no good reason. What will the new lads think in 10 years time if we change to Green to engage the Irish market or Black because it turns out to be luckier than red. or change the name to Real Cardiff to associate with success. I just think it's a soul thing and I have a blue soul some are happy to sell their soul and some don't have one, that's life.

What do you mean they dont have the right to back the club?

This kid doesnt have the right to buy a red shirt? Of course he does.

Read it properly this time

I have. So what do you mean by this?

Apologies for being a bit vague, let's assume that we now have a hardcore of 25,000 and out of this 15,000 have been supporting for less than 10 years so less traditional in my view(apart from youngsters of course, natural progression and happy to see kids support their local club), for me, this large amount has less of a grasp of our history and tradition etc than some of us older heads and are therefore not much bothered about colours. I know loads of lads who wouldn't cross the road to watch City unless we got a good cup draw who now happily wear Red and couldn't really care what colour we play in, I would also argue that Red is closer to the teams that these lads used to support, it's these fans that really annoy me. I know they are perfectly entitled to do what they want but it doesn't make it any less annoying. I'm not talking about kids by the way, much to my chagrin, my daughter has a Red shirt, I may not like it but I wouldn't dream of stopping it, of course had the Blue kit been available, she would have had that one but that's another story. Not trying to stir, it just breaks my heart to see us play at home in Red.

it doesn't give the new lads, of which there are many, the right to back the change of the clubs tradition for no good reason

Good post Chris I'm starting to chill out a bit, still very gutted with all that's happened, and it cost me the whole of last season, first season I missed in 31 years, but that was my choice, the team we have now must be great for the young uns, nevermind us lot...still can't get used to the red tho

A brilliant time for young kids to be supporting Cardiff and no better time than to be recruiting the next generation of fans.

I have thawed out a lot to be honest mate. Mainly because I think we are pissing in the wind, he will never back down and also theres no point getting a season ticket to then let the colour dominate the season again.

Last season, although we won the league I didnt thoroughly enjoy. The rebrand dominated it plus the football was effective but not a great watch.

This season, if the first 3 games are anything to go by, then we are in for a treat and as much as I may dislike it I am not going to let the colour get me down.

Galway I hear what you are saying and last year I used to let grown men in the red shirts wind me up because I felt such distain for the red, I felt everyone should want the blue back same as I did. If they didnt they werent proper Cardiff supporters as far as I was concerned.

Now having looked at the bigger picture and looked at it from other supporters viewpoints, an example ive tried to give in this thread, then I think who am I to judge.

i started a thread about this very same kid saying I didnt know wether to laugh or cry at the school sports day because there was finally a Cardiff City top on display but it was the red one.

As youve pointed out our crowds have increased by 150% so there are more "newer" fans than the old heads.

Thats something I feel the "old heads" just have to accept now for the good of the football club.

Would you prefer 27,000 and possibly more regular fans, meaning at least another generation of City fans, or 5/6000 fans who want it their way or no way and the club doesnt grow.

When it's actually nothing to do with the rebrand, just the story of a family of new supporters.

Mind you, at least it's better than the Malky out nonsense you were spouting last week.

Face it Chuckles there are far more supporters like the ones ive talked about than the likes of you who want Tan out.

95% of Cardiff fans want blue bacdk so say BU and Barry Chuckles.

Where is the official quote of Sian or anyone on the committee saying that "95% of Cardiff fans want black back"

There is an actual interview you can watch where VT says that only 5% of fans were against the red... THAT is the bollocks.

There are a whole lot more fans out there who would choose Cardiff to play in blue over the red if we were ever given a fair choice. Unfortunatley, Tan is all self self self so literally couldn't give a crap about our tradition.

How naive could someone possibly be by actually thinking that if they change the colour of a club, they would have better backing in Asia...
We are sponsored by Malaysia, have a South Korean player and our owner is Malaysian - That is why fans in Asia support us, not because we now play in chinese red.

Personally, I don't really care if other, newer fans have no attachment to blue.

That is for them to make their case.

Blue and the bluebird means a lot to me and I DESPISE the changes that Tan has done..I totally hate it.

Even if 50% of the fans are happy with it, Tan has still divided us and confused our identity for no reason whatsoever.

FACT!

Good post .

Im totally blue ,hate the red but here is another part of it ,just got back from Germany watching a Bundesliga game (posted a topic on here )now on the saturday night back in the hotel I'm having a few beers and there were some Leverkusen fans and a Munich fan who start talking to me,hear my voice and ask why we had been to the game just for the weekend ,long way to come for a game etc etc ,they ask where I'm from from I'm saying Wales and the guy doesn't understand I then say Cardiff his mate next to him says "ah Cardiff City Premier League "...pretty much sums it up right there .

Fair play Polo, very good post. I personally have not thought about the rebrand from that perspective, always be Blue, but times are a changing with the next generation coming through. And really who are we to look down on someone as a "plastic", as you correctly put it they are just as good as you or I. my vote for post of the month.

Yes, thanks, thats the point I was trying to make before big nose stuck his beak in.

To be fair though, Chuckles is entitled to his view. He has just as much a right to post on here as you

Big nose... I actually think Chuckles speaks alot of sense.

As for the "new generation", when I get kids and take them down to watch Cardiff (should we still be named Cardiff City FC) then I will make sure that they are sat in the stands wearing their BLUE shirt.
Obviously people shouldn't be saying "PLASTICS" etc if a kid is wearing red because perhaps they don't understand our traditions but fully grown adults in red is just as cringeworthy as adult fans who have names and numbers printed on their backs.

Galway I hear what you are saying and last year I used to let grown men in the red shirts wind me up because I felt such distain for the red, I felt everyone should want the blue back same as I did. If they didnt they werent proper Cardiff supporters as far as I was concerned.

Now having looked at the bigger picture and looked at it from other supporters viewpoints, an example ive tried to give in this thread, then I think who am I to judge.

i started a thread about this very same kid saying I didnt know wether to laugh or cry at the school sports day because there was finally a Cardiff City top on display but it was the red one.

As youve pointed out our crowds have increased by 150% so there are more "newer" fans than the old heads.

Thats something I feel the "old heads" just have to accept now for the good of the football club.

Would you prefer 27,000 and possibly more regular fans, meaning at least another generation of City fans, or 5/6000 fans who want it their way or no way and the club doesnt grow.

Believe it or not, I would love to see us filling 60,000, I've nothing against new fans, we were all new once and I took great pleasure in firstly taking my brothers down and then my kids, I also agree with who am I to judge, I'm not one to ask where were these lads in 1978 but I can't help taking exception at the lads that used to take the piss out of me for following my beloved City everywhere when they were following Liverpool, Man U etc, of course they all follow City now and why wouldn't they but a lot of these are the ones embracing the Red, it just doesn't feel right, it's like they have run off with my wife and painted my house, probably rename the kids next. I know I'm fighting a losing battle, probably viewed as a dinosaur but everybody is indeed entitled to their opinion but it genuinely saddens me to not see a blue home shirt. BTW, the wife is threatening to have me buried me in a Red shirt, I will haunt her with Bluebird chants all night long.

Where is the official quote of Sian or anyone on the committee saying that "95% of Cardiff fans want black back"

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I thought the wanted blue back

I have adopted the same policy as you polo and not think too much about it. Lets be honest, it only gets me down and I am still rather bitter about it. However after much thinking it is still Cardiff city FC, the colour comes secondary to that. We are the definition of modern football but I disagree with the "selling our souls" line now, a line I used to use. A football clubs soul is a lot more than a colour.

In 20 years time, should we go back to blue then that will be seen as a rebrand to a lot of our fans at that time. The rebrand has coinicided with a promotion to the big league, something that will attract children to the club, these kids will see Cardiff as a red team.

Great post.

I have adopted the same policy as you polo and not think too much about it. Lets be honest, it only gets me down and I am still rather bitter about it. However after much thinking it is still Cardiff city FC, the colour comes secondary to that. We are the definition of modern football but I disagree with the "selling our souls" line now, a line I used to use. A football clubs soul is a lot more than a colour.

In 20 years time, should we go back to blue then that will be seen as a rebrand to a lot of our fans at that time. The rebrand has coinicided with a promotion to the big league, something that will attract children to the club, these kids will see Cardiff as a red team.

Agree entirely, even though it was me that brought up soul selling on this occasion, it's time I got over it, just worried about what happens next.

Some excellent and reasoned posts here. Sorry this isn't one of them, but I've got to go down the mount

Some excellent and reasoned posts here. Sorry this isn't one of them, but I've got to go down the mount

In my personal opinion, I feel a return to blue is only likely if we suffer multiple relegations. Sort of the Portsmouth route, although I don't think we have a strong enough fan base to fight for the clubs existence.

Polo i feel the same, the thing is ive gone past the care factor now like everyone else even if it feels like im in another stadium watching an away team at home when i go to games if im not working, we are red and thats that now and theres f**k all anyone will do about it as its to late. As for the up and comming youngsters its good to see them in city shirts rather than some team 200+ miles away

Still cant see any relevancr to the rebrand. You have been gaining new fans for your entire history. Its what clubs do. The fact that the new fans are not fussed about the rebrand is totally irrelevant to the whole rebrand argument though. Why not change your name or play in Milton Keynes? The new fans you get after wont mind.

As for your response to me being a jack troll. You got the jack bit right. But posting the odd wind up or things that you disagree with doesn't make me a troll just a fan of your rivals. I posted a genuine response as we have had numerous similar threads on PS about new fans, with similar responses. Your rebrand is irrelevant in the attraction of new fans.

Fair play Polo, very good post. I personally have not thought about the rebrand from that perspective, always be Blue, but times are a changing with the next generation coming through. And really who are we to look down on someone as a "plastic", as you correctly put it they are just as good as you or I. my vote for post of the month.

Yes, thanks, thats the point I was trying to make before big nose stuck his beak in.

It was a good post polo.. then BC the resident annoying c**t arrived..

If someone having an opposing opinion annoys you, then I worry for you.

Fair play Polo, very good post. I personally have not thought about the rebrand from that perspective, always be Blue, but times are a changing with the next generation coming through. And really who are we to look down on someone as a "plastic", as you correctly put it they are just as good as you or I. my vote for post of the month.

Yes, thanks, thats the point I was trying to make before big nose stuck his beak in.

It was a good post polo.. then BC the resident annoying c**t arrived..

If someone having an opposing opinion annoys you, then I worry for you.

Your just an argumentative nuisance that ruins most threads with your annoying rubbish.. if your like this in life other than this forum then i worry for you to..

I've come back just to say I loves the red Chuckles and if you can't accept that then that is your problem. I've bought loads of red merchandise to wear down the City. Quite expensive though the club store. I hope the shop opening in town does discounts.

Red is Cardiff City's future and most love it hence the sales of the red merchandise and all the red in the ground. People who like blue should just go support Bristol Rovers, its only across the bridge and you only have to pay to get back.

Also Tan is a great leader who listened to the fans when they wanted the traditional red and black Championship winning kit back. He gave us the black shorts option like a true leader and listener of the people.

Cardiff City FC new chapter, the greatest chapter thanks to Tan, lead us on to glory in our lucky red and black.

I've come back just to say I loves the red Chuckles and if you can't accept that then that is your problem. I've bought loads of red merchandise to wear down the City. Quite expensive though the club store. I hope the shop opening in town does discounts.

Red is Cardiff City's future and most love it hence the sales of the red merchandise and all the red in the ground. People who like blue should just go support Bristol Rovers, its only across the bridge and you only have to pay to get back.

Also Tan is a great leader who listened to the fans when they wanted the traditional red and black Championship winning kit back. He gave us the black shorts option like a true leader and listener of the people.

Cardiff City FC new chapter, the greatest chapter thanks to Tan, lead us on to glory in our lucky red and black.

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Thank you Vincent Tan.

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Thank you Vincent Tan.

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The destruction of a good thread begins

I've come back just to say I loves the red Chuckles and if you can't accept that then that is your problem. I've bought loads of red merchandise to wear down the City. Quite expensive though the club store. I hope the shop opening in town does discounts.

Red is Cardiff City's future and most love it hence the sales of the red merchandise and all the red in the ground. People who like blue should just go support Bristol Rovers, its only across the bridge and you only have to pay to get back.

Also Tan is a great leader who listened to the fans when they wanted the traditional red and black Championship winning kit back. He gave us the black shorts option like a true leader and listener of the people.

Cardiff City FC new chapter, the greatest chapter thanks to Tan, lead us on to glory in our lucky red and black.

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I've ready been down this route with him... Twice!

It's very bizarre James.. I have no problem with people who are quite happy with the rebrand.. Whilst I can't fathom it myself, everyone is entitled to a view..

But Barnett's opinion changes weekly... On everything! It's obviously deliberate, which is a shame as when he posts properly, he can actually rather an interesting poster.

Still cant see any relevancr to the rebrand. You have been gaining new fans for your entire history. Its what clubs do. The fact that the new fans are not fussed about the rebrand is totally irrelevant to the whole rebrand argument though. Why not change your name or play in Milton Keynes? The new fans you get after wont mind.
As for your response to me being a jack troll. You got the jack bit right. But posting the odd wind up or things that you disagree with doesn't make me a troll just a fan of your rivals. I posted a genuine response as we have had numerous similar threads on PS about new fans, with similar responses. Your rebrand is irrelevant in the attraction of new fans.

Firstly there are a number of tidy jacks who come on here for a bit of banter but can be reasonable with it - scotsjack, 6syedd, waddle to name three. There are others. You are not one of them.
You come on here with the sole purpose of looking for bites and it would kill you to give Cardiff any credit. You turn threads inti cardiff v swansea threads and derail them for self gratification. That makes you a troll in my book. You should have been culled with the other Jacks who add nothing but nuisance to the forum.
Now, for the last time, this was not a thread about why weve gained new fans an imbecile can work out success brings in more fans. It was a thread highlighting how the newer fan views the rebrand and putting into perspective why there is not the fight or the percentage of people who really care that much about the colours.
Now if you dont get it I really couldnt give a f**k. Thankfully some did and the thread had some decent replies.

It's very bizarre James.. I have no problem with people who are quite happy with the rebrand.. Whilst I can't fathom it myself, everyone is entitled to a view..

But Barnett's opinion changes weekly... On everything! It's obviously deliberate, which is a shame as when he posts properly, he can actually rather an interesting poster.