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Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:38 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
64JACK wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
NJ73 wrote:I have to say from the outside it seems a very strange way to distribute tickets.

Why ?


Because it gives priority to those travelling on yours (and other) coaches who are able to reserve their place, and therefore their ticket, over those who wish to travel under their own steam.


I must say Carl he does have a point. What if I decided to book on your coach to go to Man Utd?


Gary do you need a ticket ? :o :shock:


I will try my best for you :lol:


:lol: No I don't Annis I was talking hypothetically! ;)

Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:38 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
64JACK wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
NJ73 wrote:I have to say from the outside it seems a very strange way to distribute tickets.

Why ?


Because it gives priority to those travelling on yours (and other) coaches who are able to reserve their place, and therefore their ticket, over those who wish to travel under their own steam.


I must say Carl he does have a point. What if I decided to book on your coach to go to Man Utd?


Gary do you need a ticket ? :o :shock:


I will try my best for you :lol:


But Reeco may! :laughing6:

Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:45 pm

64JACK wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
64JACK wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
NJ73 wrote:I have to say from the outside it seems a very strange way to distribute tickets.

Why ?


Because it gives priority to those travelling on yours (and other) coaches who are able to reserve their place, and therefore their ticket, over those who wish to travel under their own steam.


I must say Carl he does have a point. What if I decided to book on your coach to go to Man Utd?


Gary do you need a ticket ? :o :shock:


I will try my best for you :lol:


But Reeco may! :laughing6:

:lol:

Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:50 pm

carlccfc wrote:
Leytonstoneblue wrote:So what's the point in the club putting out a release date for the sale of these tickets for 9th October, yet organised travel groups can reserve hundreds if not thousands of tickets leaving little for those who don't or can't travel via organised travel? Seems a pretty unfair way of dealing with those of us who follow City home and away from outside Wales

I have been doing the coaches for 4 seasons and I can count on one hand the number of games in that time that we have not filled the coach.

Last season alone I run at least one coach to every game bar one and they were always full.

Some games I run two coaches to games and on a few occasions I run 3.

This season I have run 7 coaches in total to the 3 away games.

I am not getting an unfair advantage over anyone, what I am doing is taking the hassle out of sorting the tickets of each and everyone who travels with me, they don't have to queue, phone or collect their tickets from the club, there is no booking fee for them to pay either.

The people that travel with me deserve their ticket as much as the next fan because they are there supporting the team week in and week out.


It doesn't seem the same as has always been though? As tickets don't go on sale to season ticket holders who are not able to travel with organised coaches, until 8 days after others have already reserved theirs, surely that's not fair and it certainly hasn't been happening for years, as this is our first season in the Premiership, so it's unique. Just because supporters choose to travel on organised coaches should not give supporters an advantage over other supporters, who either choose to travel independently or like myself and many others who live outside Wales, can't travel on the organised supporters coaches.

I'm particularly pissed off about the ticket situation at Norwich, because this game and Ipswich are like local games for me, as it's within 90 minutes and I've watched all of them since we have been in the Championship and they are relatively and understandably poorly attended by City fans. Last year at Ipswich as a prime example when only 250 were there. This crap about some supporters deserving tickets over others gets on my nerves, I'm a season ticket holder, who travels 200 miles each way to home games, am I more deserving of a ticket than the next STHolder? No of course not. We all pays our money in the same way and so should ALL be treated equally. :ayatollah:

Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:50 pm

carlccfc wrote:
Leytonstoneblue wrote:So what's the point in the club putting out a release date for the sale of these tickets for 9th October, yet organised travel groups can reserve hundreds if not thousands of tickets leaving little for those who don't or can't travel via organised travel? Seems a pretty unfair way of dealing with those of us who follow City home and away from outside Wales

I have been doing the coaches for 4 seasons and I can count on one hand the number of games in that time that we have not filled the coach.

Last season alone I run at least one coach to every game bar one and they were always full.

Some games I run two coaches to games and on a few occasions I run 3.

This season I have run 7 coaches in total to the 3 away games.

I am not getting an unfair advantage over anyone, what I am doing is taking the hassle out of sorting the tickets of each and everyone who travels with me, they don't have to queue, phone or collect their tickets from the club, there is no booking fee for them to pay either.

The people that travel with me deserve their ticket as much as the next fan because they are there supporting the team week in and week out.


It doesn't seem the same as has always been though? As tickets don't go on sale to season ticket holders who are not able to travel with organised coaches, until 8 days after others have already reserved theirs, surely that's not fair and it certainly hasn't been happening for years, as this is our first season in the Premiership, so it's unique. Just because supporters choose to travel on organised coaches should not give supporters an advantage over other supporters, who either choose to travel independently or like myself and many others who live outside Wales, can't travel on the organised supporters coaches.

I'm particularly pissed off about the ticket situation at Norwich, because this game and Ipswich are like local games for me, as it's within 90 minutes and I've watched all of them since we have been in the Championship and they are relatively and understandably poorly attended by City fans. Last year at Ipswich as a prime example when only 250 were there. This crap about some supporters deserving tickets over others gets on my nerves, I'm a season ticket holder, who travels 200 miles each way to home games, am I more deserving of a ticket than the next STHolder? No of course not. We all pays our money in the same way and so should ALL be treated equally. :ayatollah:

Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:01 pm

Leytonstoneblue wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
Leytonstoneblue wrote:So what's the point in the club putting out a release date for the sale of these tickets for 9th October, yet organised travel groups can reserve hundreds if not thousands of tickets leaving little for those who don't or can't travel via organised travel? Seems a pretty unfair way of dealing with those of us who follow City home and away from outside Wales

I have been doing the coaches for 4 seasons and I can count on one hand the number of games in that time that we have not filled the coach.

Last season alone I run at least one coach to every game bar one and they were always full.

Some games I run two coaches to games and on a few occasions I run 3.

This season I have run 7 coaches in total to the 3 away games.

I am not getting an unfair advantage over anyone, what I am doing is taking the hassle out of sorting the tickets of each and everyone who travels with me, they don't have to queue, phone or collect their tickets from the club, there is no booking fee for them to pay either.

The people that travel with me deserve their ticket as much as the next fan because they are there supporting the team week in and week out.


It doesn't seem the same as has always been though? As tickets don't go on sale to season ticket holders who are not able to travel with organised coaches, until 8 days after others have already reserved theirs, surely that's not fair and it certainly hasn't been happening for years, as this is our first season in the Premiership, so it's unique. Just because supporters choose to travel on organised coaches should not give supporters an advantage over other supporters, who either choose to travel independently or like myself and many others who live outside Wales, can't travel on the organised supporters coaches.

I'm particularly pissed off about the ticket situation at Norwich, because this game and Ipswich are like local games for me, as it's within 90 minutes and I've watched all of them since we have been in the Championship and they are relatively and understandably poorly attended by City fans. Last year at Ipswich as a prime example when only 250 were there. This crap about some supporters deserving tickets over others gets on my nerves, I'm a season ticket holder, who travels 200 miles each way to home games, am I more deserving of a ticket than the next STHolder? No of course not. We all pays our money in the same way and so should ALL be treated equally. :ayatollah:

I think you have misunderstood my post.

I did not say that anybody travelling on organised supporters coaches deserve a ticket more than anyone else but I have explained the majority who travel with myself are regular away supporters so they are as much deserving of a ticket as the next fan.

You don't get special treatment by travelling with organised travel, you still have to qualify like all other city fans.

All I have done is take names of 100 qualifying fans and will present that list to the club.

This is hypothetical but what if you rang the club or went there on the first day of sale for any game and took with you a list of 50 qualifying fan numbers and bought the tickets for those people in one transaction, would that be wrong of you ?

That is basically what the travel group is doing and it does not stop anybody getting a ticket who does not qualify for one.

Another point would be, imagine the club took the 2640 tickets and sold them all but there was still another 1000 who wanted to go, what happens then ?

The truth is the travel group is not a new thing or a closed shop and those who are entitled to buy tickets can do so and I will go as far as to say we will not sell the Norwich tickets out in the first couple of days if we do sell out at all, which will prove the club to be correct in their decision of requesting just 1,400 tickets.

Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:11 pm

carlccfc wrote:
Leytonstoneblue wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
Leytonstoneblue wrote:So what's the point in the club putting out a release date for the sale of these tickets for 9th October, yet organised travel groups can reserve hundreds if not thousands of tickets leaving little for those who don't or can't travel via organised travel? Seems a pretty unfair way of dealing with those of us who follow City home and away from outside Wales

I have been doing the coaches for 4 seasons and I can count on one hand the number of games in that time that we have not filled the coach.

Last season alone I run at least one coach to every game bar one and they were always full.

Some games I run two coaches to games and on a few occasions I run 3.

This season I have run 7 coaches in total to the 3 away games.

I am not getting an unfair advantage over anyone, what I am doing is taking the hassle out of sorting the tickets of each and everyone who travels with me, they don't have to queue, phone or collect their tickets from the club, there is no booking fee for them to pay either.

The people that travel with me deserve their ticket as much as the next fan because they are there supporting the team week in and week out.


It doesn't seem the same as has always been though? As tickets don't go on sale to season ticket holders who are not able to travel with organised coaches, until 8 days after others have already reserved theirs, surely that's not fair and it certainly hasn't been happening for years, as this is our first season in the Premiership, so it's unique. Just because supporters choose to travel on organised coaches should not give supporters an advantage over other supporters, who either choose to travel independently or like myself and many others who live outside Wales, can't travel on the organised supporters coaches.

I'm particularly pissed off about the ticket situation at Norwich, because this game and Ipswich are like local games for me, as it's within 90 minutes and I've watched all of them since we have been in the Championship and they are relatively and understandably poorly attended by City fans. Last year at Ipswich as a prime example when only 250 were there. This crap about some supporters deserving tickets over others gets on my nerves, I'm a season ticket holder, who travels 200 miles each way to home games, am I more deserving of a ticket than the next STHolder? No of course not. We all pays our money in the same way and so should ALL be treated equally. :ayatollah:

I think you have misunderstood my post.

I did not say that anybody travelling on organised supporters coaches deserve a ticket more than anyone else but I have explained the majority who travel with myself are regular away supporters so they are as much deserving of a ticket as the next fan.

You don't get special treatment by travelling with organised travel, you still have to qualify like all other city fans.

All I have done is take names of 100 qualifying fans and will present that list to the club.

This is hypothetical but what if you rang the club or went there on the first day of sale for any game and took with you a list of 50 qualifying fan numbers and bought the tickets for those people in one transaction, would that be wrong of you ?

That is basically what the travel group is doing and it does not stop anybody getting a ticket who does not qualify for one.

Another point would be, imagine the club took the 2640 tickets and sold them all but there was still another 1000 who wanted to go, what happens then ?

The truth is the travel group is not a new thing or a closed shop and those who are entitled to buy tickets can do so and I will go as far as to say we will not sell the Norwich tickets out in the first couple of days if we do sell out at all, which will prove the club to be correct in their decision of requesting just 1,400 tickets.


Carl, you appear to have missed my post. I'm sure it was just an oversight on your part....

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Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:11 pm

carlccfc wrote:
You don't get special treatment by travelling with organised travel.


I'd say being given the opportunity to reserve and claim a ticket before they go on general sale is "specialist treatment"...

Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:12 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
You don't get special treatment by travelling with organised travel.


I'd say being given the opportunity to reserve and claim a ticket before they go on general sale is "specialist treatment"...

If you qualify then you have as much chance as the next.

Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:14 pm

carlccfc wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
You don't get special treatment by travelling with organised travel.


I'd say being given the opportunity to reserve and claim a ticket before they go on general sale is "specialist treatment"...

If you qualify then you have as much chance as the next.


It's nothing to do with qualifying to purchase, you are totally missing my point.. It's about being able to reserve tickets way before anyone else can purchase them on general sale. In fact, nobody can reserve them at all.

So I think it's fair to say that those who travel on those coaches are given "specialist treatment", despite you saying otherwise.

Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:25 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:
carlccfc wrote:
You don't get special treatment by travelling with organised travel.


I'd say being given the opportunity to reserve and claim a ticket before they go on general sale is "specialist treatment"...

If you qualify then you have as much chance as the next.


It's nothing to do with qualifying to purchase, you are totally missing my point.. It's about being able to reserve tickets way before anyone else can purchase them on general sale. In fact, nobody can reserve them at all.

So I think it's fair to say that those who travel on those coaches are given "specialist treatment", despite you saying otherwise.

Right let's clear this up once and for all so you understand as you seem to be struggling with how things have been done around here for years not just this season.

We will use the Chelsea game as the example.

We have an allocation of 1,500 for the game.

The qualifying criteria was set as 6 away games attended last season.

100 of these tickets are available for Premier Club members to purchase ( and don't forget some premier club members qualify in their own right as regular away travellers ).

65 tickets are available as comps to the players and a further 35 are made available to the players to purchase.

That leaves 1,300 available to fans to purchase on a first come, first served basis.

Only 1,330 fans attended 6 or more away games last season.

Now unless each and everyone of those fans want a ticket then only 30 fans will be left ticketless but as already stated in this thread there are fans who qualify who are not intending on going to Chelsea so it is fair to assume that those who qualify, on a loyalty basis from last season, will get a ticket for the game.

Now whether or not I or anybody else in the travel group book an amount of tickets is irrelevant because the names and fan numbers must qualify or we do not get the tickets.

Hope it is clear on how the system works.

The final game of last season away to Hull was very similar in how it was sold but the numbers involved were different, ie. 2,200 tickets available and two qualifying games.

Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:33 pm

It's not "first come first served" though, is it? As a big chunk of tickets are booked up and reserved before they are on general sale. Infact, nobody else is able to reserve a ticket at all..

As I said, that's still preferential treatment, despite you trying to claim otherwise.

Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:47 pm

Why we're the travel clubs told not to say when the Chelsea tkts we're going on sale

Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:09 am

Dylanthomas wrote:Why we're the travel clubs told not to say when the Chelsea tkts we're going on sale

They were not told not to say, where did you hear that ?

In fact I posted the week before they did they were going on sale and the evening before they actually did.

Re: THEY HAVE ALL GONE !!!!

Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:52 am

I don't have any issue with the travel clubs getting blocks of tickets and if I was able to go to as many away games now as a couple of seasons ago, I would undoubtedly travel with them. I am not complaining about not being able to get tickets for Chelsea as I went last time and so no thanks to that again. My issue is how has the club decided that uptake is slow for Norwich when only a handful of people knew when the tickets would be on sale - and none of them were from the ticket office.

I can't get my head around the club subsidising travel to Norwich when they estimate the take up for tickets will be low and to me rightly or wrongly it seems that the travel clubs have directly influenced the clubs decision by estimating how many coaches will be going and therefore those travelling under their own steam are not taken into the equation. Carl's explanation that around 600 tickets will be available on the day they go on sale is plausible enough, and hopefully that will be enough to ensure that everyone gets a ticket, but there does seem like a two tier system in place that if you travel on a coach you get first pick on tickets, albeit by having to qualify the same as everyone else.