Questions for religious believers?

Pretty much 100% of the time there are psychotic elements at work and 'religion' (in their cases they don't actually believe anything the religion they claim to follow actually believes) is just a shield to hide behind.

exactly its like when video games get the blame in a murder, or a tv show. They don't promote violence but unfortunately there are some psychotic people out there who want to kill and use it as inspiration. In the hands of a perfectly sane individual no third party media (video games,movies and even religion) is going to make someone turn around and say 'im going yo kill someone'

Religion is a far more powerful tool than a video game. You don't get taught about video games at school, told to respect video games, any responsible adult would only give a certain rated game to a person old enough yet kids are taken to Churches and Mosques early on and brought up that way.

Comparing such is ridiculous.

again showing an extreme lack of knowledge of religion

you havent researched this very well have you, youve got a belief and ran with it hoping nobody is going to question you, very scientific

I watch 'Songs Of Praise' religiously every Sunday.

Of course you can. The Higgs Bosom, at CERN, is a perfect example of something undiscovered contradicting what had already been found. I am not denying that but there are far too many contradictions in the bible itself let alone the other lot of illogical points.

So it goes, if you can't be sure about anything you know being true, then you don't really know anything?
To KNOW something you have to be 100% sure.

So all of the questions and criticisms you have aimed at me are pointless because you don't even know if you're right about them because something you don't know could contradict them.

How? You've never seen him and that is a fact. Delusional.

You don't need to see something to clearly know it's presence, do you not believe in the wind?

How do you know your eyesight is valid?

Logic is based on the foundations of maths and physics

You sure like begging the question don't you?

Where do the foundations of maths and physics come from?

As for the laws that make up the universe, a lot of which is actually undiscovered, thats also nonsense. Earth is habitable because of the ecosystem present thats a product of natural occurrences and nothing else.

Not really my point but if you are referring to these laws being of natural origin then I must ask you, if the logical law of non contradiction (A & B cannot be true in the same way at the same time) came about naturally then could you universe have existed and non existed at the same time before it came about? (an absurdity)

Does God exist or not? No proof whatsoever.

Each post you are providing everyone with more proof that without's God existence none of your arguments would even make sense.

again showing an extreme lack of knowledge of religion

you havent researched this very well have you, youve got a belief and ran with it hoping nobody is going to question you, very scientific

Thats the part you don't get. I haven't got a belief. I am a non believer. How daft are you? An atheist is a non believer. I do not believe. I base things on facts, findings and logical data. Thats not a belief. Thats fact. I don't hold something to be true, it is true.

Your "god" is fat lady with saggy tits and a fanny the size of a horses collar. He, my arse, all religious folk are seriously deluded. No I'm not the devil, evil, a head case or a swansea supporter, just one of the millions of normal people who couldn't give a shit about your fairy stories.

The Life of Brain is actually a documentary not a film

Do you know this for sure?

again showing an extreme lack of knowledge of religion

you havent researched this very well have you, youve got a belief and ran with it hoping nobody is going to question you, very scientific

Thats the part you don't get. I haven't got a belief. I am a non believer. How daft are you? An atheist is a non believer. I do not believe. I base things on facts, findings and logical data. Thats not a belief. Thats fact. I don't hold something to be true, it is true.

Actually all facts have to be interpreted according to one's beliefs/presuppositions.

Using an ad hominem only weakens your argument.

You don't need to see something to clearly know it's presence, do you not believe in the wind?

How do you know your eyesight is valid?

This alone either proves you are a troll or seriously suffering in terms of intellect.

1) There are numerous devices to prove the wind exists. No such device to prove God exists. The wind also can be felt by a person and seen when it blows over another object. Its called physics. The wind can also be measured by devices to prove it is in fact there.

2) As for eyesight, of course its valid as proven by numerous tests. You do realise that your eyesight is actually reflections of light right? All backed up scientifically. You picked the wrong topic there as part of my AI course is vision which is replicating human vision and using the same principles in robots. That alone proves the existence of eyesight because it would not be able to be replicated in artificial intelligence if it were not true that it worked.

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If one person talks to a make believe friend it's called madness, if 100 people do it it's religion.

Its a question of faith.

I ask again, why are you mocking peoples beliefs?
Just because you dont believe, doesnt mean believers have to justify to you why they believe.

It's a bit like playing Gestede up front, we don't know for sure he will score, but we believe he will

This alone either proves you are a troll or seriously suffering in terms of intellect.

Ad hominem's are only used by people who are losing the argument you know?

Furthermore, very very rich of you to call anyone a troll given your track record on this webpage?!

1) There are numerous devices to prove the wind exists. No such device to prove God exists. The wind also can be felt by a person and seen when it blows over another object. Its called physics. The wind can also be measured by devices to prove it is in fact there.

The proof of God's existence is that without Him you couldn't know anything. The very argument you are trying to make wouldn't make sense if there wasn't a God to account for the laws of logic & reason which you would need to make such an argument.

2) As for eyesight, of course its valid as proven by numerous tests. You do realise that your eyesight is actually reflections of light right? All backed up scientifically. You picked the wrong topic there as part of my AI course is vision which is replicating human vision and using the same principles in robots. That alone proves the existence of eyesight because it would not be able to be replicated in artificial intelligence if it were not true that it worked.

Again, such tests would need God to exist for any of the results to make sense.

Another point is that not everybody has perfect eyesight so therefore what they see may not be necessarily valid.

If one person talks to a make believe friend it's called madness, if 100 people do it it's religion.

Rather misleading quote as 86% of this worldly population follows a religion. Make believe friends are something children invent. Religion or people's spiritual life, if you will, is something that exists in everyone.

You don't need to see something to clearly know it's presence, do you not believe in the wind?

How do you know your eyesight is valid?

This alone either proves you are a troll or seriously suffering in terms of intellect.

1) There are numerous devices to prove the wind exists. No such device to prove God exists. The wind also can be felt by a person and seen when it blows over another object. Its called physics. The wind can also be measured by devices to prove it is in fact there.

2) As for eyesight, of course its valid as proven by numerous tests. You do realise that your eyesight is actually reflections of light right? All backed up scientifically. You picked the wrong topic there as part of my AI course is vision which is replicating human vision and using the same principles in robots. That alone proves the existence of eyesight because it would not be able to be replicated in artificial intelligence if it were not true that it worked.

What's also amusing is that you have already conceded that things you don't know could contradict things you claim to know so that everything you say could be wrong anyway!

again showing an extreme lack of knowledge of religion

you havent researched this very well have you, youve got a belief and ran with it hoping nobody is going to question you, very scientific

Thats the part you don't get. I haven't got a belief. I am a non believer. How daft are you? An atheist is a non believer. I do not believe. I base things on facts, findings and logical data. Thats not a belief. Thats fact. I don't hold something to be true, it is true.

excuse me?

if you want to criticise something surely you have to understand it first? basic science that

You keep banging on about these facts that you base your beliefs on, yet you have yet to mention any of them where are these facts that you seem so sure exist. Where is your logic? because so far your being very illogical.

You don't need to see something to clearly know it's presence, do you not believe in the wind?

How do you know your eyesight is valid?

This alone either proves you are a troll or seriously suffering in terms of intellect.

1) There are numerous devices to prove the wind exists. No such device to prove God exists. The wind also can be felt by a person and seen when it blows over another object. Its called physics. The wind can also be measured by devices to prove it is in fact there.

no device exists to proof God doesnt exist either. What happened to your logic? surely if you cant proof something doesnt exist the possibility however remote that it does exist stands, thats logic. Your ignoring your own beliefs.

2) As for eyesight, of course its valid as proven by numerous tests. You do realise that your eyesight is actually reflections of light right? All backed up scientifically. You picked the wrong topic there as part of my AI course is vision which is replicating human vision and using the same principles in robots. That alone proves the existence of eyesight because it would not be able to be replicated in artificial intelligence if it were not true that it worked.

no device exists to proof God doesnt exist either. What happened to your logic? surely if you cant proof something doesnt exist the possibility however remote that it does exist stands, thats logic. Your ignoring your own beliefs.

You're the believer and by doing so you are thus saying he exists. The onus is on you to prove he exists. We don't need to prove anything. We are non believers and the general consensus is that he doesn't exist. Funny how you can't prove that he does exist. I don't need to prove anything because as it stands he doesn't exist. Unless you can prove otherwise then you ain't got a pot to piss in pal.

no device exists to proof God doesnt exist either. What happened to your logic? surely if you cant proof something doesnt exist the possibility however remote that it does exist stands, thats logic. Your ignoring your own beliefs.

You're the believer and by doing so you are thus saying he exists. The onus is on you to prove he exists. We don't need to prove anything. We are non believers and the general consensus is that he doesn't exist. Funny how you can't prove that he does exist. I don't need to prove anything because as it stands he doesn't exist. Unless you can prove otherwise then you ain't got a pot to piss in pal.

no weve discussed this before I dont have a problem with you not believing in God

youre the one saying im deluded and illogical based on the fact that God does not exist

yet you cant prove that God doesnt exist and very unscientifically stating you have no need to proof anything

I dont need to proof anything im not relying on science to support my beliefs, you are so you need to use scientific principles to support your claim. Carry out research and evidence and you should not stop until you can state 100% that God does not exist until then you are throwing your own principles out the window

so far all youve got is

Im big
Your small
Im right
Your wrong
and there is nothing you can do about it

wheres you scientific thought process gone? how have you proofed your theory that God does not exist? why do I have to work to proof your theory, its your theory you proof it?

God seems to be a very self important and incapable of tolerance.

From the discussion i have had with christians. They have told me that living a non believing life but living it with morals and abiding by the laws of the land will still see you into hell, a serial paedophile who then decides to believe and say sorry to God will get into heaven. Seems a little egotistical.

Also we are only aware of christianity through word of mouth and the bible. What happens to tribes or people who live in isolation where the story of Christ isnt available, they will live their lives completely unaware of this story and as a result be a non believe and thus be thrust into the fiery pits of hell upon death.

There are major flaws in the stories in the bible which is acceptable because it was written by man and not God. However it is supposed to be the word of God and channelled through these authors, so if thats the case then how come large parts of it are clearly wrong?

I still want to know where J man got his Triumph to go up that bloody mountain.

I suspect there wasnt one involved at all!

Of course the existence of gods cannot be disproven, you cannot disprove nothing.

To quote Christopher Hitchens - "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."

All that saying 'I'm an atheist' means is that I don't believe there are any gods. Some will add 'as the available evidence does not support that claim'.

Also, just because you don't know the answer to something and/or science has not explained it yet, does not = 'God did it'.

Of course the existence of gods cannot be disproven, you cannot disprove nothing.

To quote Christopher Hitchens - "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."

All that saying 'I'm an atheist' means is that I don't believe there are any gods. Some will add 'as the available evidence does not support that claim'.

Also, just because you don't know the answer to something and/or science has not explained it yet, does not = 'God did it'.

Where the hell have you come from?

My favourite poster on here

I'm just a lurker

Youre Darren of course you are cant believe I didnt figure it out earlier

no weve discussed this before I dont have a problem with you not believing in God

youre the one saying im deluded and illogical based on the fact that God does not exist

yet you cant prove that God doesnt exist and very unscientifically stating you have no need to proof anything

I dont need to proof anything im not relying on science to support my beliefs, you are so you need to use scientific principles to support your claim. Carry out research and evidence and you should not stop until you can state 100% that God does not exist until then you are throwing your own principles out the window

so far all youve got is

Im big
Your small
Im right
Your wrong
and there is nothing you can do about it

wheres you scientific thought process gone? how have you proofed your theory that God does not exist? why do I have to work to proof your theory, its your theory you proof it?

I don't need to prove anything to you. You believe in somebody that doesn't exist. I can't see him, can you? Therefore on the basis of that I tell you that you are deluded. Thats my evidence right there. He does not exist and any rational and logical thinking person knows that.

You have lost the plot.

I'm just a lurker.

Youre Darren of course you are cant believe I didnt figure it out earlier

I'm afraid your information is somewhat out of date.

I'm just a lurker

Youre Darren of course you are cant believe I didnt figure it out earlier

I'm afraid your information is somewhat out of date.

oh yeah sorry Danielle I do apologise

no weve discussed this before I dont have a problem with you not believing in God

youre the one saying im deluded and illogical based on the fact that God does not exist

yet you cant prove that God doesnt exist and very unscientifically stating you have no need to proof anything

I dont need to proof anything im not relying on science to support my beliefs, you are so you need to use scientific principles to support your claim. Carry out research and evidence and you should not stop until you can state 100% that God does not exist until then you are throwing your own principles out the window

so far all youve got is

Im big
Your small
Im right
Your wrong
and there is nothing you can do about it

wheres you scientific thought process gone? how have you proofed your theory that God does not exist? why do I have to work to proof your theory, its your theory you proof it?

I don't need to prove anything to you. You believe in somebody that doesn't exist. I can't see him, can you? Therefore on the basis of that I tell you that you are deluded. Thats my evidence right there. He does not exist and any rational and logical thinking person knows that.

You have lost the plot.

ive lost the plot?

im not the one running around saying I cant see God so he him so he must not exist.

how old are you 6?

your fighting a losing battle im not insisting God does exist I just believe he does

your the one insisting that God does not exist and calling everybody who has a different view to you deluded bit strange if you ask me

ive lost the plot?

Yes.

im not the one running around saying I cant see God so he him so he must not exist.

You believe in a book of fables. Someone who follows Lord of the Rings as a life guide believes in something with more credibility in all honestly.

how old are you 6?

Old enough to know God doesn't exist blud.

your fighting a losing battle im not insisting God does exist I just believe he does

A losing battle? You lost when you told everyone you believed in God. I suppose you also believe in the tooth fairy and Father Christmas as well? Cute.

your the one insisting that God does not exist and calling everybody who has a different view to you deluded bit strange if you ask me

Thats because its true. Even research proves believers are less intelligent. You are kind of proving their point.

Barnett, you insisted this thread wasn't a piss take. It clearly was and who do you think you are insulting and mocking those that believe in a God? They havent started trying to push their beliefs onto you and you should just accept that they believe, regardless of your personal feelings. Remember, you started this and asked for them to answer, not the other way around.

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ive lost the plot?

Yes.

im not the one running around saying I cant see God so he him so he must not exist.

You believe in a book of fables. Someone who follows Lord of the Rings as a life guide believes in something with more credibility in all honestly.

how old are you 6?

Old enough to know God doesn't exist blud.

your fighting a losing battle im not insisting God does exist I just believe he does

A losing battle? You lost when you told everyone you believed in God. I suppose you also believe in the tooth fairy and Father Christmas as well? Cute.

your the one insisting that God does not exist and calling everybody who has a different view to you deluded bit strange if you ask me

Thats because its true. Even research proves believers are less intelligent. You are kind of proving their point.

and your mocking of my personal beliefs have no limits

I dont talk to idiots good bye

Barnett, you insisted this thread wasn't a piss take. It clearly was and who do you think you are insulting and mocking those that believe in a God? They havent started trying to push their beliefs onto you and you should just accept that they believe, regardless of your personal feelings. Remember, you started this and asked for them to answer, notthe other way around.

'How old are you 6?' is what he said.

He started the insults and got them back. Cry me a river if he wants to play the victim I'm not interested in getting in a heated discussion with emotional juvenile delinquents.

If you can't take it then quite simply don't give it. Can't handle the heat then step out of the kitchen. Simple.

Barnett, you insisted this thread wasn't a piss take. It clearly was and who do you think you are insulting and mocking those that believe in a God? They havent started trying to push their beliefs onto you and you should just accept that they believe, regardless of your personal feelings. Remember, you started this and asked for them to answer, notthe other way around.

'How old are you 6?' is what he said.

He started the insults and got them back. Cry me a river if he wants to play the victim I'm not interested in getting in a heated discussion with emotional juvenile delinquents.

If you can't take it then quite simply don't give it. Can't handle the heat then step out of the kitchen. Simple.

neither juvenile or a deliquent

I asked whether you are 6 or not because your debating skills are on those levels of a 6 year old