" PERSISTENT STANDING IN THE NINIAN STAND "

I sit in block 115 and for a few years now we've had good friends around us who try to sit properly and watch the game. I've actually moved 3 times in the past due to people standing in front of me. Nobody objects to the jumping up when city have s shot or one of the players is running at a defender in the box but whats increasing is people standing when the ball is just crossing the half way line. My wife goes to ever game and beinv a little on the short side can't see much even when she has to stand. There's also another lady behind us and a little to one side who iz even smaller. I feel really sorry for her as she has now even given up trying to stand and see over thd persistent standers in front of us. It does often start about 6 rows in front of us where some supporters spend most of the game not watching their team but more often gesturing at the opposition fans. I'm sure these are the same jugheads who claim that those who sit are not genuine supporters. We have a section of the ground where fans standing is accepted so I can't work out why they don't all just move behind the goal. I feel they are genuinely spoiling the day for some spectators who sit because that's what they've paid to do. They call it creating atmosphere, I call it selfish and unthoughtful!
The stewards as far as I can see tend to have problems policing it. One the rare ocassion they try to get fans to sit, they are either ignored or the offenders are doing the same again two minutes later. I've seen thd technology available in the control centre. Word would soon get round if they used the cameras and nailed one of two of the persistent offenders byremoving their tickets for a match or two. Jusg watch 115 - 117 and they'll easily spot the worst of the offenders.

So you want to get me banned for wanting to stand, sing and support our team?
unbelievable.

i stand in 117 about 12/15 rows from pitch

I cant hear the canton stand singing except on rare occasions.

We put up with away fans for a number of seasons singing, "is this a library"
"shall we sing a son for you" etc and sat through the boredom of a game, especially on cold winters days and evenings with wet seats and a chapped arse.

tail end of last season and start of this, fans had had enough and brought some passion back to the end.
I really enjoy match day experience now and the response from our players is evident.

We are in a world of the spy camera - your football day being monitored from train, through streats, to pubs, through games- police can stop you at a whim and the stewards can ruin your day- but I Mr average stand and sing am enermy no 1 to some - yet terrorists, rapists, murderers and paedos have human rights comming out of their years!!!

What the hell is going on.

I dont complain about the fans who want to sit and subdue the atmosphere around me, when this has affected many games i have attended, notibly Wembley play offs, where our team needed us and we had no singing sections tro get behind them just a mute support.

Dont demonise us cardiff, work with the fans. A club needs its fans Mr Tan.

Simple solution is to put rail seats in 115, 116 and 117 and offer to swap supporters. If there is more demand for the standing area then it should be first come, first serve. If you miss out, you miss out. Most of those who wish to stand are already within those areas anyway. Another obvious case where health and safety hinders the common sense approach.

Simple solution is to put rail seats in 115, 116 and 117 and offer to swap supporters. If there is more demand for the standing area then it should be first come, first serve. If you miss out, you miss out. Most of those who wish to stand are already within those areas anyway. Another obvious case where health and safety hinders the common sense approach.

I agree with this, we need that part of the ninian to make noise and standing definitely helps.

I've been near the back of 112 since we moved to the CCS. It's never been an issue until this season, where one person who is new to our area this year stands up, on his own, on a regular basis, blocking the view of half a dozen people around him. Then other people have to stand to see around him. By the end of the Everton game, he was ignoring requests from those around him to sit down, even though we have all sat peacefully together for the last 4 years.

I hope he is one of those singled out, as we made sure of his seat number and reported it to a steward after the game, who wrote the seat number down.

Dry snitch

Standing in the Canton is behind the goal only. In the corners it is seating only, and the stewards are soon having a cull on all the inconsiderate cunts who stand in the corners of the Canton and Ninian, and the Canton and Grandstand. This I know to be true.

I've been near the back of 112 since we moved to the CCS. It's never been an issue until this season, where one person who is new to our area this year stands up, on his own, on a regular basis, blocking the view of half a dozen people around him. Then other people have to stand to see around him. By the end of the Everton game, he was ignoring requests from those around him to sit down, even though we have all sat peacefully together for the last 4 years.

I hope he is one of those singled out, as we made sure of his seat number and reported it to a steward after the game, who wrote the seat number down.

Dry snitch

Not a dry snitch mate, he is probably just someone who has paid a lot of money to watch his team in the promised land, and actually wants to sit and enjoy watching them

As many have already said in this thread, certain sections of the ground generate the match day atmosphere. The main two sections being the Canton Stand and the corner of the ground which includes 116/117 and away section of the Ninian Stand.
I stand in row X of 117. As far as I can tell, everyone in 117/116 chooses to stand throughout the entire 90 minutes. The away supporters also choose to stand and sing.
The last time a steward asked anyone around my area to sit down was around the time of "the red scarf give-away." I have never heard any fan around my area complain about the persistent standing and the stewards who used to try to get the fans seated were usually greeted with derision.

As I understand it, the club cannot be seen to support the decision of fans to stand in these sections but also are not taking any active measures to curb the persistent standing. Long may this situation continue.

There are plenty of areas of the ground for people to sit and enjoy the game where standing isn't tolerated and rightly so.
There is enough room in CCS to accommodate all genres of City fans. Surely the club and the fans can work together to maximise all our supporters match day experience. After all they make enough effort to please the away fans!

I am in 116 row X of the Ninian and it has been noticeable over the last 2 games that in sections 117 116 and to a lesser extent 115 the fans have remained stood throughout the games and the atmosphere has been excellent, especially Man City. There has been no desire from some fans around me to ask other fans to sit. This may be because the two games so far have reached a new level of importance and excitement, so fans want to stay on their feet and do what they can to get behing the team.

It's ok the club wanting to get all fans to remain seated but there is no doubt that this will kill the atmosphere and if you believe in the power of the fans support which the manager and players seem to believe in then this will diminish our chances of victory.

It does not seem to be a health and safety issue or hooligan issue as clearly there have been no added problems within the ground, so I really believe that the club could take very sensible steps to contact all season ticket holders in sections 117 116 and 115 and get a definitive idea of how many fans in those sections are opposed to standing. Once established the club could take steps to move supporters, like for like with other supporters in the Ninian who would prefer to stand.

What would be created is a standing area in 117 116 and possibly 115, the atmosphere remains, the supporters who want to sit can do, within the same stand, so everyone wins, simples

At the moment you are not allowed to stand in the premier league. Fans should be grateful the club actually turn a blind eye in certain areas. Keep pushing and they will just enforce the rules they are supposed to enforce already.

If someone was standing in front of me,i would tell him or her that it would be personally beneficial for them to sit down...politely of course

Would you start the conversation with , My Dear

.....I wouldn't need to,i would get my Grandmother to converse with you...oh by the way,she died some time ago...

Nothing wrong with standing up. If you want to sit down, watch it at home. It's football for Gods sake

There's plenty wrong with standing up. What about the elderly chap who sits near me that has to stand all game because the chap in front of him refuses to sit down?

Like it or not, the rules are simple. If you want to stand, go to the Canton.

I'm not arsed either way, but those who claim to be hard done by when asked to sit in the Ninian and refusing to do so aren't helping themselves.

What I missed out from my post, obviously the elderly, disabled, pregnant etc will want to sit, that's fair enough.

But so many in the Canton on the sides sit down, stopping people in the Ninian getting STs in the Canton. I think the club should just come out and say aisles 116 and 117 to be like the Canton.

First time I've felt the need to post and agree with Chuckles, as it's all well and good saying the club should turn blocks 116 & 117 into the Canton (especially when we all know that it's currently against League rules any way), but when block 116 stand up for example and play takes place down the touchline near block 117 & 118, those in 115 etc., wouldn't be able to see play, without standing up either! This scenario would be replicated if people were to stand up in block 114 for example, when play takes place in the corner by block 111 or 112!

My seat is up top in 115 and I travel away to a lot of games, so don't care whether I personally have to stand or sit throughout the game, but there are a lot of people around me who are too elderly or too short to be able to see the game when other people stand up!

The elderly, short asses and disabled people around me, pay good money to watch our matches and chose to sit in the Ninian around the halfway mark, as they get a better view of play! They also have to pay a fair bit more for their seats than those down the front of the Ninian, so try telling them that they should sit down the front instead of having their view impeded at the back, when they also pay their extra money for not having to get wet when it rains!

The problem is with the FA as its not Europe wide as German Fans have standing areas, so theres no point twating off city fans standing or non standing ,we need to take it up with the FA.

I sit in 103 in the Canton Stand, the supposed area where standing is allowed and we're always told by stewards to sit down. The block next us seems to be allowed to stand as well as people a few rows behind us (I sit in row i) but not us, why this is, anyone know, is it only some of the Canton that is allowed to stand? Can you bring this up in the meeting if possible?

Some of our fans are right girls lets be honest.

Answer is, sitting at the front of ninian standing at the back.

Football is about standing and chanting, if you cant or dont want to fine, but the club needs to find out and do something about it, because I believe and atmosphere can win a game and if we all have to sit there will not be an atmosphere.

And no good just in the Canton end, needs to be dotted around to create a wall of sound

I sit in 103 in the Canton Stand, the supposed area where standing is allowed and we're always told by stewards to sit down. The block next us seems to be allowed to stand as well as people a few rows behind us (I sit in row i) but not us, why this is, anyone know, is it only some of the Canton that is allowed to stand? Can you bring this up in the meeting if possible?

You're allowed to stand in the Canton Stand. If people behind you can't see then tough shit, it's their fault for sitting in a standing area.

I sit in 103 in the Canton Stand, the supposed area where standing is allowed and we're always told by stewards to sit down. The block next us seems to be allowed to stand as well as people a few rows behind us (I sit in row i) but not us, why this is, anyone know, is it only some of the Canton that is allowed to stand? Can you bring this up in the meeting if possible?

You're allowed to stand in the Canton Stand. If people behind you can't see then tough shit, it's their fault for sitting in a standing area.

I tried explaining this to the Stewards as did a few others around me at the Man City game but they were having none of it. To me it seemed like everyone wanted to stand but the stewards were just being jobsworths but they did it at the Everton game as well.

Some of our fans are right girls lets be honest.

Answer is, sitting at the front of ninian standing at the back.

Football is about standing and chanting, if you cant or dont want to fine, but the club needs to find out and do something about it, because I believe and atmosphere can win a game and if we all have to sit there will not be an atmosphere.

And no good just in the Canton end, needs to be dotted around to create a wall of sound

Bit sexist don't you think?

Either way, I pay extra money to sit further up the Ninian, as the view is better than down the front and I don't get wet when it rains!

If I lived nearby, getting wet wouldn't bother me, but as I travel nearly 200 miles to get to every home match and back home afterwards, I don't particularly want to drive home for an hour and a half soaking wet!

As I said earlier, I personally don't care whether I stand or sit, but do you really think that people who are short, disabled, elderly or who can't see the match in play because people are stood in front of them, should be made to sit down the front, where they'd get soaked if it rained and have no say in the matter?

If you still think that people should have no say in where they pay to sit or stand, ask yourself would you be happy if your elderly parent, grandparent or disabled relative, was only allowed to purchase a seat in the front of one of the stands, where they'd get drenched when it rains?

Totally agree with the last post. 116 and 117 tend to stand a fair bit but that has a real knock on effect to 115. I said earlier that the people around me always used to sit and they all still want to. More often than not we are all apologising to those around us as we have to stand because of standers in front of us. Those people arguing about atmosphere should go to the canton stand. It seems they put their own desire to shout and cheer above other season ticket holders rights to actually see what's going on.
They'd soon see reason if the row in front of them were tall enough to block their view.

I sit in 103 in the Canton Stand, the supposed area where standing is allowed and we're always told by stewards to sit down. The block next us seems to be allowed to stand as well as people a few rows behind us (I sit in row i) but not us, why this is, anyone know, is it only some of the Canton that is allowed to stand? Can you bring this up in the meeting if possible?

You're allowed to stand in the Canton Stand. If people behind you can't see then tough shit, it's their fault for sitting in a standing area.

I have followed City home and sometimes away for 24 years now.
The vast majority of City fans are, and always have been sound as f**k.
We do however, have our fair share of pricks with attitudes.

The club didn't moan when it came to the end of last season and we was close to the finish line and the atmosphere was electric. Good for Buisness then.
When we played Man City Bellers said the crowd got us that win today. The Canton was awsome and the Ninian was also class that day because most of us was standing and roaring the team on. Again no moans from the Club as it was good for Buisness.
Now when that fooking roof comes off if they think i'm sitting on a cold wet seat they can think again. We are the fans making the noise and roaring our team on in which pundits are now saying the CCS is the best atmosphere in the Prem.
Good for fooking Buisness
Get off our backs as we are the 12th man

If the club want to stop standing then they can play behind closed doors can't they? Simple really or is money too much of an issue? I wonder what their reaction would be if fans said 'let us stand or play in an empty ground'. All about the money. They'd rather throw a fan out who's paid £400+ and resell his seat. All this is for is revenue like parking tickets etc.

The club didn't moan when it came to the end of last season and we was close to the finish line and the atmosphere was electric. Good for Buisness then.
When we played Man City Bellers said the crowd got us that win today. The Canton was awsome and the Ninian was also class that day because most of us was standing and roaring the team on. Again no moans from the Club as it was good for Buisness.
Now when that fooking roof comes off if they think i'm sitting on a cold wet seat they can think again. We are the fans making the noise and roaring our team on in which pundits are now saying the CCS is the best atmosphere in the Prem.
Good for fooking Buisness
Get off our backs as we are the 12th man

well said

I prefer to sit myself however lots off fans like to stand we need to go back to standing sections .
Premier league rules are grounds shall be all seating as far as I know,
Clubs are in an awkward position

If the club want to stop standing then they can play behind closed doors can't they? Simple really or is money too much of an issue? I wonder what their reaction would be if fans said 'let us stand or play in an empty ground'. All about the money. They'd rather throw a fan out who's paid £400+ and resell his seat. All this is for is revenue like parking tickets etc.

you forget though this isnt a cardiff city rule this is an FA and safety rule

the club will get in trouble if not seen to tackle standing

they spent a lot of money doing that study to defend the standing in the Canton stand

as I understand the compromise was Canton can stand as long as everyone else sits

now you can see a lot of hypocrisy in that, I certainly do but thats the state of play

money is involved in the way of fines and the limiting of capacity.

you forget though this isnt a cardiff city rule this is an FA and safety rule

the club will get in trouble if not seen to tackle standing

they spent a lot of money doing that study to defend the standing in the Canton stand

as I understand the compromise was Canton can stand as long as everyone else sits

now you can see a lot of hypocrisy in that, I certainly do but thats the state of play

money is involved in the way of fines and the limiting of capacity.

I would respect the club far more if they said they'd do a prize draw and gave the seat to a disabled person in the community or a youngster or a gold card member who wanted it but instead they just sell it on, according to reports in the press. The seat has been paid for by someone, they abused that privilege, why can't they just give the seat to someone else who will behave?

Why is there a need to resell the seat to someone else? I'd even have more respect if they put a sign there 'BANNED - REMOVED FOR PERSISTENT STANDING'. One, it sends out a message that its being taken seriously and two it shows they are not just making money from it.

You can't blame fans for being skeptical of the system when seats are being resold. It just reeks of conspiracy. One week I could be there watching Man City standing and the steward just passes it off as 'brilliant fans improving the atmosphere' and the next week I could be doing the same but the stewards been given targets to ban 'xyz' number of fans so the seats can be sold. Im not saying this is definitely happening but its easy to see why people are skeptical in this money oriented world.

you forget though this isnt a cardiff city rule this is an FA and safety rule

the club will get in trouble if not seen to tackle standing

they spent a lot of money doing that study to defend the standing in the Canton stand

as I understand the compromise was Canton can stand as long as everyone else sits

now you can see a lot of hypocrisy in that, I certainly do but thats the state of play

money is involved in the way of fines and the limiting of capacity.

I would respect the club far more if they said they'd do a prize draw and gave the seat to a disabled person in the community or a youngster or a gold card member who wanted it but instead they just sell it on, according to reports in the press. The seat has been paid for by someone, they abused that privilege, why can't they just give the seat to someone else who will behave?

Why is there a need to resell the seat to someone else? I'd even have more respect if they put a sign there 'BANNED - REMOVED FOR PERSISTENT STANDING'. One, it sends out a message that its being taken seriously and two it shows they are not just making money from it.

You can't blame fans for being skeptical of the system when seats are being resold. It just reeks of conspiracy. One week I could be there watching Man City standing and the steward just passes it off as 'brilliant fans improving the atmosphere' and the next week I could be doing the same but the stewards been given targets to ban 'xyz' number of fans so the seats can be sold. Im not saying this is definitely happening but its easy to see why people are skeptical in this money oriented world.

well if a seat is available I dont see the problem of selling it on

when you bought your season ticket you entered into a contract of thing you can or cannot do

also why target stewards they dont make these decisions its requests from higher up the chain

no conspiracy in it what happens is fans refuse to follow the rules and then moan when they get caught out, one argument I will give you is it is not consistent why are the rules enforced one week and not another, no conspiracy though.

If the club want to stop standing then they can play behind closed doors can't they? Simple really or is money too much of an issue? I wonder what their reaction would be if fans said 'let us stand or play in an empty ground'. All about the money. They'd rather throw a fan out who's paid £400+ and resell his seat. All this is for is revenue like parking tickets etc.

you forget though this isnt a cardiff city rule this is an FA and safety rule

the club will get in trouble if not seen to tackle standing

they spent a lot of money doing that study to defend the standing in the Canton stand

as I understand the compromise was Canton can stand as long as everyone else sits

now you can see a lot of hypocrisy in that, I certainly do but thats the state of play

money is involved in the way of fines and the limiting of capacity.

Jonny up and down the prem you see persistant standing. Is it a CCFC problem ? No it isnt. Is it illegal to stand ? No it isnt. FFS we the fans want to make the statement we want to stand. Yes we have a standing section in the Canton but we need one in a section of the Ninian as well. Right next to the away fans to get the atmosphere rocking. Say 116/115 the rest have to sit. Then it suits all the fans. It isnt dangerous to stand and i ask where is the evidence that standing is dangerous ?

If the club want to stop standing then they can play behind closed doors can't they? Simple really or is money too much of an issue? I wonder what their reaction would be if fans said 'let us stand or play in an empty ground'. All about the money. They'd rather throw a fan out who's paid £400+ and resell his seat. All this is for is revenue like parking tickets etc.

you forget though this isnt a cardiff city rule this is an FA and safety rule

the club will get in trouble if not seen to tackle standing

they spent a lot of money doing that study to defend the standing in the Canton stand

as I understand the compromise was Canton can stand as long as everyone else sits

now you can see a lot of hypocrisy in that, I certainly do but thats the state of play

money is involved in the way of fines and the limiting of capacity.

Jonny up and down the prem you see persistant standing. Is it a CCFC problem ? No it isnt. Is it illegal to stand ? No it isnt. FFS we the fans want to make the statement we want to stand. Yes we have a standing section in the Canton but we need one in a section of the Ninian as well. Right next to the away fans to get the atmosphere rocking. Say 116/115 the rest have to sit. Then it suits all the fans. It isnt dangerous to stand and i ask where is the evidence that standing is dangerous ?

look dont have a go at me I didnt write these rules

no its not against the law it is against ground regulations you know this so trying to give the I know better than you is a waste of time

as a steward it was the most frustrating rule to try and enforce and no I didnt enjoy

but having a go at me other stewards or the club isnt going to help you one bit its an FA and ground safety rule start writing letters to relevant authorities instead of screaming and stewards every game you go to cause your just wasting your time

If the club want to stop standing then they can play behind closed doors can't they? Simple really or is money too much of an issue? I wonder what their reaction would be if fans said 'let us stand or play in an empty ground'. All about the money. They'd rather throw a fan out who's paid £400+ and resell his seat. All this is for is revenue like parking tickets etc.

you forget though this isnt a cardiff city rule this is an FA and safety rule

the club will get in trouble if not seen to tackle standing

they spent a lot of money doing that study to defend the standing in the Canton stand

as I understand the compromise was Canton can stand as long as everyone else sits

now you can see a lot of hypocrisy in that, I certainly do but thats the state of play

money is involved in the way of fines and the limiting of capacity.

Jonny up and down the prem you see persistant standing. Is it a CCFC problem ? No it isnt. Is it illegal to stand ? No it isnt. FFS we the fans want to make the statement we want to stand. Yes we have a standing section in the Canton but we need one in a section of the Ninian as well. Right next to the away fans to get the atmosphere rocking. Say 116/115 the rest have to sit. Then it suits all the fans. It isnt dangerous to stand and i ask where is the evidence that standing is dangerous ?

look dont have a go at me I didnt write these rules

no its not against the law it is against ground regulations you know this so trying to give the I know better than you is a waste of time

as a steward it was the most frustrating rule to try and enforce and no I didnt enjoy

but having a go at me other stewards or the club isnt going to help you one bit its an FA and ground safety rule start writing letters to relevant authorities instead of screaming and stewards every game you go to cause your just wasting your time

Wasn't having a go at you Jonny or any other Steward. But some Stewards do enjoy being little hitlers. You have given your view as a steward and i do respect that mate. But i have given mine from a fans point of view, well at least one that wants to stand. And believe me i am not standing to piss Jonny off, i feel i am standing because i am pissed off with being told by those above how dangerous it is. Please its an insult. And OK when Tan sits his high trousers down so will i

You are sstill missing the point. Your selfish standing is ruining the day for other equally as dedicated Cardiff fans who want to sit and end up behind some selfish git.