National Service

Would it be voluntary or like Turkey and Poland where it's the law to do National Service?

its a bill so if its bought forward and accepted it will become law so it will be compulsory

Yes but its not just military national service. People seem to think it is without reading the info.

Its working for charities, helping with caring and stuff like that. You don't have to go and do it in the military. Its a great idea that will help loads of people not only boost their CV's but will help those struggling gain a foothold from whereby they can push on.

By the way I think it's a great idea.

get a criminal record before doing this.

Which would then scupper your employment chances further down the line so thats a daft idea.

So instead I just bend over and do whatever they tell me? I imagine I'd leave the country before it got that far anyway.

get a criminal record before doing this.

Which would then scupper your employment chances further down the line so thats a daft idea.

So instead I just bend over and do whatever they tell me? I imagine I'd leave the country before it got that far anyway.

Let me ask you something then, do you think the country should give you loans for your education? Do you think you should be entitled to benefits if you can't find a graduate job once you've finished university?

It's all take in this country and no give whereas in Scandinavian countries and the likes of Denmark and Switzerland the national/alternative service works and works well.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_news/ ... d=35097560

Also, its highly likely those in university will be allowed to continue and not do it. It will most likely be used as an alternative path for those doing 'nothing' or those that struggle to get jobs.

get a criminal record before doing this.

Which would then scupper your employment chances further down the line so thats a daft idea.

So instead I just bend over and do whatever they tell me? I imagine I'd leave the country before it got that far anyway.

Let me ask you something then, do you think the country should give you loans for your education? Do you think you should be entitled to benefits if you can't find a graduate job once you've finished university?

It's all take in this country and no give whereas in Scandinavian countries and the likes of Denmark and Switzerland the national/alternative service works and works well.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_news/ ... d=35097560

Also, its highly likely those in university will be allowed to continue and not do it. It will most likely be used as an alternative path for those doing 'nothing' or those that struggle to get jobs.

I think education should be free anyway with loans for living on but no tuition fees. I'm sure it wouldn't effect degrees but I imagine they'd make you do it once you've finished or something if it's between 18 and 26. And with regards to benefits if you can't find a graduate job I've already said that they should do something similar that's linked to benefits where you would have to do it to get benefits after so long so people get it if they genuinely need it and to stop people taking the piss and never working a day in their life. People should still have the option of being able to not to do it though but just receive no benefits.

As a 22 year old who would most likely be eligible for this, I 100% agree.

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/ne ... 05449.html

Youngsters need to learn respect, learn that there is more to life than money and having the next gadget and family and so on is more important.

The current system is piling pressure on people to go to college and then to university and then get a job hence the vast number of people who are graduates. Plenty leave the country to seek work elsewhere as skilled professionals and many stay here to fight in the rat race to the top to make a living.

What happens to the others, the forgotten youth? I think national service is a great idea and will teach youngsters respect, practical skills that can be applied in other industries and in day to day life, helps fight obesity if they are called into the military and keeps them off the streets in places where others may take advantage of their situation and help them into a life of crime.

The notion that a young person can choose their 'own future' in the current market is a false one. There are too many graduates fighting for jobs and when there are graduates placed on the unemployment scrap heap this only forces those with lesser qualifications down the pecking order and onto benefits or into other ways of life, often criminal activity. Even some graduates end up down this route when they realise the market place is tougher than they thought.

Some become accustomed to this way of life and they get stuck in it, others fight their way out of it and try and better themselves which is fair enough and credit to them but not everyone does get out and a sedimentary layer is created of those who have no way out. They get stuck in a rut.

National service would give them the opportunity to gain skills, see another side to work other than just making money, networking with other people who may have employment for them down the line, better their CV and another route to go down if college/university isn't the answer.

What's your opinion on the situation?

respect should be taught in the house from an early age..

As a 22 year old who would most likely be eligible for this, I 100% agree.

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/ne ... 05449.html

Youngsters need to learn respect, learn that there is more to life than money and having the next gadget and family and so on is more important.

The current system is piling pressure on people to go to college and then to university and then get a job hence the vast number of people who are graduates. Plenty leave the country to seek work elsewhere as skilled professionals and many stay here to fight in the rat race to the top to make a living.

What happens to the others, the forgotten youth? I think national service is a great idea and will teach youngsters respect, practical skills that can be applied in other industries and in day to day life, helps fight obesity if they are called into the military and keeps them off the streets in places where others may take advantage of their situation and help them into a life of crime.

The notion that a young person can choose their 'own future' in the current market is a false one. There are too many graduates fighting for jobs and when there are graduates placed on the unemployment scrap heap this only forces those with lesser qualifications down the pecking order and onto benefits or into other ways of life, often criminal activity. Even some graduates end up down this route when they realise the market place is tougher than they thought.

Some become accustomed to this way of life and they get stuck in it, others fight their way out of it and try and better themselves which is fair enough and credit to them but not everyone does get out and a sedimentary layer is created of those who have no way out. They get stuck in a rut.

National service would give them the opportunity to gain skills, see another side to work other than just making money, networking with other people who may have employment for them down the line, better their CV and another route to go down if college/university isn't the answer.

What's your opinion on the situation?

respect should be taught in the house from an early age..

Exactly, the government are interfering in things that should be done by parents with this and the porn block etc.

I think education should be free anyway with loans for living on but no tuition fees. I'm sure it wouldn't effect degrees but I imagine they'd make you do it once you've finished or something if it's between 18 and 26. And with regards to benefits if you can't find a graduate job I've already said that they should do something similar that's linked to benefits where you would have to do it to get benefits after so long so people get it if they genuinely need it and to stop people taking the piss and never working a day in their life. People should still have the option of being able to not to do it though but just receive no benefits.

Fair enough and I agree with it. I think if you come out of university you should be given a year to get a job. You should be able to get a job within a year quite easily. Most graduates go into employment within 6 months. If after a year you are not paying tax then they should be able to call you up on a scheme so that you at least are then for your second year of benefits putting work in to receive them.

Sounds a fairer system to me.

respect should be taught in the house from an early age..

Exactly, the government are interfering in things that should be done by parents with this and the porn block etc.

100% agree with both of you and I suspect you, like myself, both grew up in families where your parents done good by you etc. and so on which is a good thing but we must remember some parents just truly don't give a damn about their children and that's a tragedy and although the state shouldn't be looking after someone else's children its also wrong to just leave them.

The porn block in theory is nothing more than political rhetoric. You can opt in so its no big deal and there's plenty of ways around it without even opting in because of how much technology has advanced. People who want it will still gain access to it but it does stop an innocent child accidentally coming across some of the filth online. Yes the parents should have controls on the PC to stop that stuff but then as pointed out above, some parents dont care that much.

respect should be taught in the house from an early age..

Exactly, the government are interfering in things that should be done by parents with this and the porn block etc.

100% agree with both of you and I suspect you, like myself, both grew up in families where your parents done good by you etc. and so on which is a good thing but we must remember some parents just truly don't give a damn about their children and that's a tragedy and although the state shouldn't be looking after someone else's children its also wrong to just leave them.

The porn block in theory is nothing more than political rhetoric. You can opt in so its no big deal and there's plenty of ways around it without even opting in because of how much technology has advanced. People who want it will still gain access to it but it does stop an innocent child accidentally coming across some of the filth online. Yes the parents should have controls on the PC to stop that stuff but then as pointed out above, some parents dont care that much.

Ye I know the porn block will do absolutely nothing due to proxies, vpn's etc but I don't like that they're trying to censor it still. Children will still see porn and indecent images anyway because of the fact it is everywhere. If you go on half the newspapers websites you can see it, same as in films and almost everything in day to day life. Maybe the money would be better spent on educating parents instead!

No, it wouldn't work in today's society.

The military offer the opportunity to gain a unique skill set, but for me the bottom line is that the person has to want to be there and be prepared to buy into what they're being taught.

In my experience the vast majority of our young people don't have the mental strength or aptitude to complete a diluted NS program and to top it off I don't see our armed forces accepting responsibility for them either.

They've got far bigger issues than babysitting civilian wasters.

That's my opinion.

There's a few ex-servicemen on here. It'd be interesting to read their views.

I am an ex-serviceman and agree 100% with what you said. great theory but will not work in practice, society is weak and the military do not want these weaklings, I'm sorry but there is no longer the time nor money to 'carry' such individuals.