WFA should have appointed Raymond Verheijen

On page 356 of Bellamys book Goodfella.

Yes - Bellamy is critical of the FAW - but it's part of two paragraphs about "the succession" - about how most of the players wanted Raymond Verheijen to stay in a senior role with Wales.

Ramsey also stated at the time:

I've spoken to a few of the other players about it and they all feel like I do.

"We need to keep the staff we have now and I think what we've done so far has been really good and we can still build on it.

"So keeping the same people there is going to be key to our success I think.

"We don't want a new manager who is going to bring in a whole new staff which is going to bring their own styles and techniques."


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 87546.html

On page 356 of Bellamys book Goodfella.

Yes - Bellamy is critical of the FAW - but it's part of two paragraphs about "the succession" - about how most of the players wanted Raymond Verheijen to stay in a senior role with Wales.

Ramsey also stated at the time:

I've spoken to a few of the other players about it and they all feel like I do.

"We need to keep the staff we have now and I think what we've done so far has been really good and we can still build on it.

"So keeping the same people there is going to be key to our success I think.

"We don't want a new manager who is going to bring in a whole new staff which is going to bring their own styles and techniques."


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 87546.html

He was offered a senior role and refused. Walked out. Left. Ran away. You get the picture.

Ray is not and was not a qualified manager. He wasnt a manager under speed so he wasnt going to be manager under the next one. He was offered to stay on and he said "no". He was assistant manager and was offered an assistant manager role, that sounds like keeping it the same to me.

Coleman then came in with no assistant manager, did you want him not to have one? So he naturally had to appoint his own. He said he was keeping it the same, we lost every game easily.

I ain't going to drag up quotes but I don't think Dutch ray covered himself in glory after speeds death.

On page 356 of Bellamys book Goodfella.

Yes - Bellamy is critical of the FAW - but it's part of two paragraphs about "the succession" - about how most of the players wanted Raymond Verheijen to stay in a senior role with Wales.

Ramsey also stated at the time:

I've spoken to a few of the other players about it and they all feel like I do.

"We need to keep the staff we have now and I think what we've done so far has been really good and we can still build on it.

"So keeping the same people there is going to be key to our success I think.

"We don't want a new manager who is going to bring in a whole new staff which is going to bring their own styles and techniques."


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 87546.html

He was offered a senior role and refused. Walked out. Left. Ran away. You get the picture.

Ray is not and was not a qualified manager. He wasnt a manager under speed so he wasnt going to be manager under the next one. He was offered to stay on and he said "no". He was assistant manager and was offered an assistant manager role, that sounds like keeping it the same to me.

Coleman then came in with no assistant manager, did you want him not to have one? So he naturally had to appoint his own. He said he was keeping it the same, we lost every game easily.

Surely if you aren't happy with the team around you then would you take the risk..?

Also how was it he same when he brought in Kit Symonds right from the start..? In my book thats changing things rather than keeping it the same

Ray walked before coleman was appointed. Should he have stuffed a doll with a ray verhaijen mask on to trick everyone? Come on, at least do a bit of research before coming up with a silly argument.

Whilst he may primarily be a fitness coach, and regarded as one of the best in the world he had also worked with some great managers and had been promoted to assistant manager to Speed.

A change wasnt required because of results, it was because of unfortunate circumstances, we were moving in the right direction and so continuity should of been given a chance IMO. The players certainly thought so and all the senior players were championing RV and they would know better than any of us.

I remember listening to both Sam Ricketts and Aaron Ramsey on the radio championing him saying his coaching sessions and the all round proffesional set up was 1st class. His methods were not hard slog to get you fit it was all ball work so it sharpened your technique and mind as much as your physical state.

Wether he could then made the step up from assistant to manager who kniws but the players certainly thought he was worth a go.

What would have worked against him is he is very outspoken, he has been very critical of coaching set ups in England, both club and country. Unless you have the charisma, charm and success of Mourinho then the media will crucify you.
I thought he should have been given a chance, he could do no worse than this dinosaur Coleman

Fed up of the Coleman apologists. Hes got the best bunch of Welsh players at his disposal for years and we are embarrasing.

I think keeper aside we could field a team of premier league / champions league players, with a world star in Gareth Bale, so surely any decent manager or coach worth their salts could do better than this idiot Coleman.

He is just a younger version of Toshack and has to go.

A lot of comments about Ray not being qualified as a manager. Can't you be appointed as manager provided you complete your qualifications within a certain time?
It did sound like some of the most important players in the squad at the time were keen for Ray 2 get the job. The FAW seem reluctant 2 appoint someone who isn't Welsh, stuck in the dark ages!

I've not been following the Wales saga regarding the managers appointment since the death of Speed. My knowledge of the whole Wales affair is basically the results over the last few years. So I can only judge on that.

Under Speed the results range from a bad start to a good end. The team went from going no where to a real good chance of qualifying for Brazil. We were robbed of a result against the old enemy England and that is not because the Nigels were poor but we were unlucky after outplaying them for most of the second half. I've never seen us dominate like that against them. Things were very positive.

Under Coleman we have got no where near that positiveness. Our qualification chances were gone after the first few games. We managed to gain a bit of respect against the Celts up North, I wonder if it would have been different against Strachan, but we failed to build on it against more accomplished opposition like Croatia and finally losing it all last night against Macedonia, Back to square one I would like to say but its not that good.

Same players but better. Evidence like this only points to one thing and that are those running the show.

I thought he should have been given a chance, he could do no worse than this dinosaur Coleman

Fed up of the Coleman apologists. Hes got the best bunch of Welsh players at his disposal for years and we are embarrasing.

I think keeper aside we could field a team of premier league / champions league players, with a world star in Gareth Bale, so surely any decent manager or coach worth their salts could do better than this idiot Coleman.

He is just a younger version of Toshack and has to go.

Bang on, Polo. He's got the same "f**k what everybody else thinks" mentality as Toshack, and the same, grim faced, stubborn 'attitude problem' demeanour about him.

Shit manager.

I don't blame him if he is having a drink with a smile on his face tonight after watching the third rate coaching team breaking up all his teams good work.

As Polo mentions every now and then I was arguing with Jason Mohammed and Steve Tucker on the radio because Dutch Ray should have been given the job yet Coleman was the man from within the media/past players own agenda.

COLEMAN MUST GO!!!!!!

Spot on Brownie. Some good posts lately to be fair to you.

Verheijen is barely qualified to manage Weston Super-Mare let alone Wales.

and Morinho was very qualified at the begining of his management career wasn't he

Mourinho learned from Bobby Robson and was an assistant coach before started managing teams.

Not to mention, he's Jose Mourinho, a one of a kind brilliant manager. Just because Mourinho made the transition, it doesn't mean that Verheijen would be anywhere near as successful.

If people wrote off Mourinho in the same way you are writing off Ray then he'd have never realised his potential as a manager. There's a reason Coleman's managerial career has gone down hill and thats because every club he ends up with realises he's an absolutely terrible manager.

Fulham ------> Larissa

Tells me everything I need to know about his managerial pedigree. The guy is a clueless oaf as proven last night. It just further cemented what most of us already knew and know and why plenty are continuing to boycott until he is gone and change occurs.

If that change takes place next week or in 20 years time then so be it.

I've not been following the Wales saga regarding the managers appointment since the death of Speed. My knowledge of the whole Wales affair is basically the results over the last few years. So I can only judge on that.

Under Speed the results range from a bad start to a good end. The team went from going no where to a real good chance of qualifying for Brazil. We were robbed of a result against the old enemy England and that is not because the Nigels were poor but we were unlucky after outplaying them for most of the second half. I've never seen us dominate like that against them. Things were very positive.

Under Coleman we have got no where near that positiveness. Our qualification chances were gone after the first few games. We managed to gain a bit of respect against the Celts up North, I wonder if it would have been different against Strachan, but we failed to build on it against more accomplished opposition like Croatia and finally losing it all last night against Macedonia, Back to square one I would like to say but its not that good.

Same players but better. Evidence like this only points to one thing and that are those running the show.

It wasn't. We beat them 2-1 at Hampden Park when Strachan was manager.

Raymond Verheijen strikes back

He makes valid points here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24016204

people may not back him all the time but the blokes hit the nail on the head here and i hope it opens a can of worms on the faw.

Why people bother debating with Roathy is beyond me

I was one of Verheijen's supporters at the time to succeed Speed. Yes, he did say some silly things after Gary Speed's death but Coleman wasn't exactly classy either. There's not really a handbook in dealing with unexpected and premature death though is there? I won't hold a grudge against either. It's obvious Speed's death affected them both deeply. I mean, it hit those of us who didn't even know the man bad enough so God knows how it must have hit his friends and family.

Anyway, that point aside, Verheijen simply wasn't appointed because the FAW didn't like being ignored. They weren't fans of Speed despite his record and the unfortunate circumstances gave them a chance to re-install a man that they wanted in the form of Coleman.

I will admit, after Verheijen walked (understandably so because some of the rhetoric from the FAW was so disrespectful) then Coleman was the best logical answer. No compensation needed, a fair wage and not the worst managerial record out there (although not the best either). I really felt we were turning a corner after the Scotland games and even against Macedonia I thought we were trying to play the right way but some of his managerial decisions are really questionable and it does feel like he's a puppet and not his own man.

Immediately after the Macedonia game I was holding back on my thoughts. I didn't want to make a rash judgment. Even now, I am still wondering whether anyone we could afford would do a better job. We don't have a player that can score up top and that's holding us back so much.

Some people are saying Pulis. Maybe he would do a better job, maybe not. He thrives with a target man and the only target man we have is Steve Morison who has been absolutely gash for us most times he's played.

As most have said, the problem is far more deeply rooted than just changing manager. You could have Guus Hiddink in charge right now and we still wouldn't qualify because as the under 21s showed the other night, the grass roots level just isn't working. Yes, we provide a Bale or a Ramsey every few years but after that we're left with a large bulk of average Football League players with the odd Premier League squad player who is usually out on loan in the Football League.

The FAW does need to be revolutionized. How does it happen? I would be very keen to find out because I would totally support its restructuring.

Why people bother debating with Roathy is beyond me

The OP isnt Roathy its Adam Brown

Why people bother debating with Roathy is beyond me

The OP isnt Roathy its Adam Brown

Yes Polo is right and Ive been right all along that Dutch Ray was the man.

Why people bother debating with Roathy is beyond me

The OP isnt Roathy its Adam Brown

No I know but he's been debating with Roathy for half the thread.

Why people bother debating with Roathy is beyond me

The OP isnt Roathy its Adam Brown

Yes Polo is right and Ive been right all along that Dutch Ray was the man.

Just to clarify Grange Ender was the poster I was referring to


I agree with you on this one

Why people bother debating with Roathy is beyond me

The OP isnt Roathy its Adam Brown

Yes Polo is right and Ive been right all along that Dutch Ray was the man.

Just to clarify Grange Ender was the poster I was referring to


I agree with you on this one

I cant believe I was cut off the radio because I stated this but the Medias man Coleman had supporters everywhere and now look were we are!!!!