illuminati - Real or Fake?

splott david wasn't completely nuts y'know. shame they killed him before his following grew into a substantial movement.

The "illuminati" is such a vague concept.

would who you regard as the "illuminati" call themselves the illuminati? No

Is this world controlled by a small minority of powerful people? yes

whats the glorified concept of illuminati got to do with anything?

Its just a "hollywood" term used by conspiracy theorists to make something which obviously occurs more fascinating and interesting to people making individuals go through a phase of feeling like Sherlock Holmes.

Yes some of the over dramatic documentary type stuff and figures such as Alex Jones @ infowars often bring in convincing arguments which almost make things fall into place, but these arguments are rarely backed up with evidence

You're wrong. They do call themselves the illuminati. The illuminati was founded in the 1700's by a German "philosopher," Adam Weishaupt. All the illuminati is - in it's most basic form - is the upper echelon of freemasonry, that many denied existed until recently (recent being used in a relative sense). Do a quick youtube search of illuminati and you'll find all sorts of people in different forms of power accepting it's existence. Rihanna called herself "the illuminati slut" in one of her recent videos and Jay-Z named his record label after one of the leaders of the illuminati - David Rockefeller. It's all there.

Glad you've heard of Alex Jones though, he's a good guy despite his over enthusiasm. And I think there's far more evidence about than what's comfortable, considering the lengths the 1% have gone to in order to suppress it.

http://februari61.files.wordpress.com/2 ... 5697_n.jpg - is quite an interesting Rockefeller quote.

This is the most stupid thread I have ever seen. If the illuminati were real do you really think they'd put clues in f*cking Zach and Cody The Suite Life on the god damn Disney channel? Wouldn't it make a touch more sense to not put any symbols in to, you know, keep it a secret and all?

Learn the difference between a secret society controlling the world, and people with similar business and political interests looking out for each other.

New World Order, Illuminati, whatever you want to call it. I believe it's for real. Look up coffins in Atlanta on You Tube, they run upwards of 500000, what are their purpose? You can read online that the NWO want to reduce the Worlds Population to around 1 Billion. As somebody else on this thread stated, the Federal Reserve and other World banks print money out of thin air and charge Governments, or us the Taxpayer to print it, money is basically worthless. Did you know JFK knew about the corrupt ways of the Fed and decided to get the US Government to print their own currency based on their Gold and Silver reserves. A short while later JFK was bumped off and his successor, Lyndon B Johnson took all JFKs bank notes out of circulation and give the Fed free rein to print money. This is 100% true! I truly believe whats going on in Syria is all part of the NWO plan. I really hope I'm wrong.

This is the most stupid thread I have ever seen. If the illuminati were real do you really think they'd put clues in f*cking Zach and Cody The Suite Life on the god damn Disney channel? Wouldn't it make a touch more sense to not put any symbols in to, you know, keep it a secret and all?

Learn the difference between a secret society controlling the world, and people with similar business and political interests looking out for each other.

Ignorance is bliss hey buddy? Disney was actually one of the earlier take ups of symbology through the illuminati. The point is it's all a game for them. Think about it, what is their end game? Do they want money? No they have all of that. It's all about power and control. It's a game to them and we're the chess pieces.

Do you know what a zionist is? Anything about the Bilderbergers? How about the fractional reserve banking system? Go watch some Aaron Russo videos. He was friends with the elitists and was told about their plans, he broke away, disgusted, and told anyone who would listen. Only problem being the sheeple like yourself who pine for daddy government to protect you from everything - at the cost of your freedom.

I think the term illuminati is very open ended. There are a very small amount if people who control the vast majority through many techniques. I believe It's the bankers, the people at the highest levels of government and the military industrial complex who are the real enemy, to these people $ > human life.
I also believe these are the same people who killed JFK and MLK and who orchestrated 9/11.
As for the guy who believes these claims don't get backed up by evidence, there is plenty of evidence on the net and in books it's just many people don't have the time to look at it for themselves, some may not even care!
Truth is stranger than fiction

^^^ agree completed with 5jambo5 ^^^
The majority of people need to be woken up. 9/11 videos on YouTube is a good way to get your brain ticking.
And if you want to hear it from horses mouths buy some zbigniew bresinski books - it's spelt something like that.
The answer to 1984 is 1776

illuminati ordered the re-brand of our great club, bastards...

This is the most stupid thread I have ever seen. If the illuminati were real do you really think they'd put clues in f*cking Zach and Cody The Suite Life on the god damn Disney channel? Wouldn't it make a touch more sense to not put any symbols in to, you know, keep it a secret and all?

Learn the difference between a secret society controlling the world, and people with similar business and political interests looking out for each other.

Sometimes the best way to cover something up is to wave it right in the face of someone. Who suspects something that comes across as transparent? Very few.

No different with manipulated stats. Hide the stats and people get suspicious. Publish manipulated stats and a lot of people will believe them because they've been published and put out in the public domain with the stamp of a 'scientist'.

This is the most stupid thread I have ever seen. If the illuminati were real do you really think they'd put clues in f*cking Zach and Cody The Suite Life on the god damn Disney channel? Wouldn't it make a touch more sense to not put any symbols in to, you know, keep it a secret and all?

Learn the difference between a secret society controlling the world, and people with similar business and political interests looking out for each other.

Ignorance is bliss hey buddy? Disney was actually one of the earlier take ups of symbology through the illuminati. The point is it's all a game for them. Think about it, what is their end game? Do they want money? No they have all of that. It's all about power and control. It's a game to them and we're the chess pieces.

Do you know what a zionist is? Anything about the Bilderbergers? How about the fractional reserve banking system? Go watch some Aaron Russo videos. He was friends with the elitists and was told about their plans, he broke away, disgusted, and told anyone who would listen. Only problem being the sheeple like yourself who pine for daddy government to protect you from everything - at the cost of your freedom.

Ignorance is bliss is such a bullshit, condescending response. You don't even address the fact that it makes no sense to sneak in little symbols in Disney shows. What does it accomplish? Is it just a smug, subtle 'f**k you' from the global elite? Or is it more realistically a little easter egg thrown in by one of the animators who had read up on the illuminati having a laugh at you all?

Aaron Russo was never in the "elite" if you will. His agenda was always anti-elitism. Which is fine but he's not an authority on the inner workings of big government or on the illuminati. He was a documentary maker with a clear and open bias. His films fitted a narrative he wanted to show, not what is actually the case. I can't believe you even brought him up as a credible source. In short, he was a hack. His bullshit about being told about 9/11 by Nicholas Rockefeller months prior is so lacking in evidence I can't believe so many people believed him.

You also assume immediately just because I don't believe there to be an illuminati that I must also love big government, which is just wrong. Or that I don't have reservations about the government regarding many issues. The resent NSA scandal shows that there's more than meets the eye with most cases. But again, with people like you it's all or nothing. There's no rational thinking with anything. You simply have an opinion and make everything around you fit this ideal, even if the evidence isn't there.

This is the most stupid thread I have ever seen. If the illuminati were real do you really think they'd put clues in f*cking Zach and Cody The Suite Life on the god damn Disney channel? Wouldn't it make a touch more sense to not put any symbols in to, you know, keep it a secret and all?

Learn the difference between a secret society controlling the world, and people with similar business and political interests looking out for each other.

Sometimes the best way to cover something up is to wave it right in the face of someone. Who suspects something that comes across as transparent? Very few.

No different with manipulated stats. Hide the stats and people get suspicious. Publish manipulated stats and a lot of people will believe them because they've been published and put out in the public domain with the stamp of a 'scientist'.

This makes absolutely no sense. Hypothetically let's say the illuminati exists and they wanted to throw people off the track that they do, do you really think the best method to do this is too slip in a few "symbols" during some shite Disney show that no one other than kids watch?

And the stats analogy doesn't even make sense. They aren't publishing anything as fact. Some animator is slipping some symbols into shows for fun.

theres an interesting read on Denver airport and illuminate

This is the most stupid thread I have ever seen. If the illuminati were real do you really think they'd put clues in f*cking Zach and Cody The Suite Life on the god damn Disney channel? Wouldn't it make a touch more sense to not put any symbols in to, you know, keep it a secret and all?

Learn the difference between a secret society controlling the world, and people with similar business and political interests looking out for each other.

Sometimes the best way to cover something up is to wave it right in the face of someone. Who suspects something that comes across as transparent? Very few.

No different with manipulated stats. Hide the stats and people get suspicious. Publish manipulated stats and a lot of people will believe them because they've been published and put out in the public domain with the stamp of a 'scientist'.

This makes absolutely no sense. Hypothetically let's say the illuminati exists and they wanted to throw people off the track that they do, do you really think the best method to do this is too slip in a few "symbols" during some shite Disney show that no one other than kids watch?

And the stats analogy doesn't even make sense. They aren't publishing anything as fact. Some animator is slipping some symbols into shows for fun.

I don't think you understand the concept of the point being made.

9/11

This is the most stupid thread I have ever seen. If the illuminati were real do you really think they'd put clues in f*cking Zach and Cody The Suite Life on the god damn Disney channel? Wouldn't it make a touch more sense to not put any symbols in to, you know, keep it a secret and all?

Learn the difference between a secret society controlling the world, and people with similar business and political interests looking out for each other.

Ignorance is bliss hey buddy? Disney was actually one of the earlier take ups of symbology through the illuminati. The point is it's all a game for them. Think about it, what is their end game? Do they want money? No they have all of that. It's all about power and control. It's a game to them and we're the chess pieces.

Do you know what a zionist is? Anything about the Bilderbergers? How about the fractional reserve banking system? Go watch some Aaron Russo videos. He was friends with the elitists and was told about their plans, he broke away, disgusted, and told anyone who would listen. Only problem being the sheeple like yourself who pine for daddy government to protect you from everything - at the cost of your freedom.

Ignorance is bliss is such a bullshit, condescending response. You don't even address the fact that it makes no sense to sneak in little symbols in Disney shows. What does it accomplish? Is it just a smug, subtle 'f**k you' from the global elite? Or is it more realistically a little easter egg thrown in by one of the animators who had read up on the illuminati having a laugh at you all?

Aaron Russo was never in the "elite" if you will. His agenda was always anti-elitism. Which is fine but he's not an authority on the inner workings of big government or on the illuminati. He was a documentary maker with a clear and open bias. His films fitted a narrative he wanted to show, not what is actually the case. I can't believe you even brought him up as a credible source. In short, he was a hack. His bullshit about being told about 9/11 by Nicholas Rockefeller months prior is so lacking in evidence I can't believe so many people believed him.

You also assume immediately just because I don't believe there to be an illuminati that I must also love big government, which is just wrong. Or that I don't have reservations about the government regarding many issues. The resent NSA scandal shows that there's more than meets the eye with most cases. But again, with people like you it's all or nothing. There's no rational thinking with anything. You simply have an opinion and make everything around you fit this ideal, even if the evidence isn't there.

Part 1 - I don't address the disney stuff.

Address it yourself. Type it in google/youtube and you'll get an answer - I'm not going to spoon feed you. Your conception of realism is blurred...that's the whole point!!!


Part 2 - Aaron Russo.

Russo was a big Illuminati target (firstly to join/later to dispose). He was a massive music mogul (married to/and managed Barbara Streisand in her prime) and was close friends with Nicholas Rockefeller who exposed him to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZjKKUEHTKk . He never made a documentary...he was a music manager/nightclub mogul who had a direct insight.


Part 3 - No rational or thinking.

I call bullshit sir! The problem with questioning the elitists/establishment is that you automatically get branded a "conspiracy theorist." I never stated you love government, just that you're part of the passive majority who allow them to do as they will. I agree entirely that what I have is an opinion. But, it's an opinion based on thousands of hours of research. Would you care to address fractional reserve banking and tell me how that isn't the illuminati f*cking over the 99%???.....Of course not.

Yes.........of course their real.

I'll give a detailed response later. Apologies in advance for anyone who's still in denial.

Some of you have been reading too many Dan Brown novels

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Some of you have been reading too many Dan Brown novels

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Says the guy who studied history.

Some of you have been reading too many Dan Brown novels

This

Says the guy who studied history.

Exactly that's WHY I think its nonsense

Seen this thread yesterday and did alot of reading up and searching, trouble is i found alot of BS which annoyed me.

But i believe there is a definite elite group who has massive wealth and power, not sure if they want to re brand the world in their way, but it would not surprise me. Most rich and power people are mad.

I don't understand say the Disney stuff, early films etc its said there put in as the programs were made to make you docile, so you sit there watching getting this little bits and bobs feed to you.

I read up on the film Fantasia was meant to brain wash children, someone had gone through the whole film and wrote a description of roughly everything 1-2 minutes of something happening in the film, saying what he thought was brain washing you into thinking.

But then, the otherside of the coin you could think "They wont expect a popular company like Disney to brain wash"

Imaginations running wild.
The funniest bit is when someone thinks that a small group of powerful people wants to cut the worlds population down to 1 billion to control them better...
Care enough to do something about it then? no probably not because you would look silly in front of your family and friends

Reading this stuff and believing it makes peoples lives more exciting and going through the whole "researching it" process is addictive because its like becoming the main character of a hollywood movie.

Im not discounting everything but the dramatic stuff is fiction. Like I said before most of it "falls into place" when you read into it much like a star sign

One of the most interesting bits i read up was that Obama was actually groomed from birth to be the POTUS in an underground bunker in Finland, that his real name is Barry Soetoro

Seen this thread yesterday and did alot of reading up and searching, trouble is i found alot of BS which annoyed me.

But i believe there is a definite elite group who has massive wealth and power, not sure if they want to re brand the world in their way, but it would not surprise me. Most rich and power people are mad.

I don't understand say the Disney stuff, early films etc its said there put in as the programs were made to make you docile, so you sit there watching getting this little bits and bobs feed to you.

I read up on the film Fantasia was meant to brain wash children, someone had gone through the whole film and wrote a description of roughly everything 1-2 minutes of something happening in the film, saying what he thought was brain washing you into thinking.

But then, the otherside of the coin you could think "They wont expect a popular company like Disney to brain wash"

The elite group is the Bilderberg Group who hold a secret conference annually.
If you want to avoid the BS read David Yallop's books. He is probably the best investigative journalist in the world (see my previous post on this thread about the Royal pardons).

The church vs the Illuminati and the church won. The church preach the greatest "story"ever told to over 1billion followers. I'm a non believer by the way. I like a bit of conspiracy and controversy. Imagine the outcry if the Illuminati could expose the churches stories as lies or propaganda.

Seen this thread yesterday and did alot of reading up and searching, trouble is i found alot of BS which annoyed me.

But i believe there is a definite elite group who has massive wealth and power, not sure if they want to re brand the world in their way, but it would not surprise me. Most rich and power people are mad.

I don't understand say the Disney stuff, early films etc its said there put in as the programs were made to make you docile, so you sit there watching getting this little bits and bobs feed to you.

I read up on the film Fantasia was meant to brain wash children, someone had gone through the whole film and wrote a description of roughly everything 1-2 minutes of something happening in the film, saying what he thought was brain washing you into thinking.

But then, the otherside of the coin you could think "They wont expect a popular company like Disney to brain wash"

The elite group is the Bilderberg Group who hold a secret conference annually.
If you want to avoid the BS read David Yallop's books. He is probably the best investigative journalist in the world (see my previous post on this thread about the Royal pardons).

Hardly feckin secret is it!! The Guardian and other papers run blogs on it every year. The discussions may be kept private but that's hardly rare when it comes to private conferences, not saying that's right, especially when it involves our politicians, but I doubt they are talking about a mass cull of humans with their lizard mates
Some people need this kind of shite to make them feel in the know and special, if you lot really believe it then how you don't get together and do something about it is beyond me, sums you all up

Illuminati members are running the higher echelons of the church. Read David Yallop's book In God's Name.

Illuminati members are running the higher echelons of the church. Read David Yallop's book In God's Name.

People who believe every conspiracy theory they've read are as bad as people who believe everything they're told by the media.

Seen this thread yesterday and did alot of reading up and searching, trouble is i found alot of BS which annoyed me.

But i believe there is a definite elite group who has massive wealth and power, not sure if they want to re brand the world in their way, but it would not surprise me. Most rich and power people are mad.

I don't understand say the Disney stuff, early films etc its said there put in as the programs were made to make you docile, so you sit there watching getting this little bits and bobs feed to you.

I read up on the film Fantasia was meant to brain wash children, someone had gone through the whole film and wrote a description of roughly everything 1-2 minutes of something happening in the film, saying what he thought was brain washing you into thinking.

But then, the otherside of the coin you could think "They wont expect a popular company like Disney to brain wash"

The elite group is the Bilderberg Group who hold a secret conference annually.
If you want to avoid the BS read David Yallop's books. He is probably the best investigative journalist in the world (see my previous post on this thread about the Royal pardons).

Hardly feckin secret is it!! The Guardian and other papers run blogs on it every year. The discussions may be kept private but that's hardly rare when it comes to private conferences, not saying that's right, especially when it involves our politicians, but I doubt they are talking about a mass cull of humans with their lizard mates
Some people need this kind of shite to make them feel in the know and special, if you lot really believe it then how you don't get together and do something about it is beyond me, sums you all up

Name another conference where all the agenda is kept secret and there is no press involvement whatsoever. Even after MI5 and MI6 meetings there is information, albeit vague, but for Bilderberg there is nothing. As for people doing something about it, they demonstrate near the venue. Unfortunately the demonstrators are usually the anti-capitalist types who seem to try and highjack every cause and turn it into a left-wing agenda.

I am almost completely certain that SL69 will never be invited to join the Illuminati. If he did though, his secret symbol would be a puzzled face drawn onto an old dog turd.

Some are getting way ahead of themselves in this thread. You need to learn to filter out the sensationalist rubbish. The Illuminati is obviously real. There's enough evidence brought together on Reddit and you'd see that it's definitely the case.

For me the food reveal is the worst. Tampering with the food supply of any being is a disgrace let alone fellow humans. Of course it can only go wrong.

People say that some changes are for the best like modern medicine but forget the vast amount of side effects that they produce as well. Hardly surprising that its going to have the same effect when pumping our food which we eat and digest with chemicals and so on is it?