" ISSUES WITH RV, POLICING AND STEWARDING "

You've wallowed in your reputation for many years holding certain people as heroes , now unfortunately you're being treated like the animals you once behaved as , I personally think you reap what you sew

your spelling is that of a two year old

Love the spelling comments

You are trying to hijack another thread. You must be a very lonely individual.

What do you mean another thread ?

You've wallowed in your reputation for many years holding certain people as heroes , now unfortunately you're being treated like the animals you once behaved as , I personally think you reap what you sew

Any chance we can have 'compo' for our female and elderly Grandstand supporters who were assaulted with wooden seats some years ago, waddle?

Oh, and some of our urinals back from your club's visits a couple of years ago would be good

What a pathetic specimen (excuse the pun) you are!

Twaddle
palace Brighton Burnley Bolton to name couple that are trouble spots not forgetting our derby! Or are you going to blame our fans for reason its a bubble game? besides it is no excuse for bad treatment of fans, we only had 1 arrest at home last season less than you even, so comparing historic trouble is a bit rich considering your fans were fighting police because they couldn't get at our fans so no angels are you? But hey everyone loves Swansea don't they!

One question al , are you being treated like shit because if your hooligan problem

You've wallowed in your reputation for many years holding certain people as heroes , now unfortunately you're being treated like the animals you once behaved as , I personally think you reap what you sew

We have had our problems in the years gone by but this club has come a long way in the last 10 years or so and as fans we do our bit to improve our reputation and yesterday was unnecessary when we consider the number of clubs we visit where we don't have the delays we had yesterday, Millwall, Bristol City spring to mind.

But the last couple of big games against prem opposition ie Chelsea and arsenal you misbehaved so you can't then complain surely

Always easy to comment on something you know feck all about. City were set up at Chelsea, police made major errors, mainly not looking after their own fans and allowing 200 known chelsea hooligans to attack normal fans - so after the game they got what they deserved - albeit at the expense of convictions.

Whatever your excuses it all goes back to your hooligan element ,FACT

This element, do you call someone or persons a hooligan if they see a 50 year old man being kicked on the floor by 10-20 chelsea dickheads and dive in to help out? Because in my view they deserve medals, not a banning order!

i predict you're a tw*t

The only gripe I'd have from yesterday was having to wait over an hour after the game had ended for our coach to leave the ground. There again even that was turned into a positive by quite a few lads on our coach re-stocking on refreshments from an off licence on the Barking Road while we waited.

You've wallowed in your reputation for many years holding certain people as heroes , now unfortunately you're being treated like the animals you once behaved as , I personally think you reap what you sew

Any chance we can have 'compo' for our female and elderly Grandstand supporters who were assaulted with wooden seats some years ago, waddle?

Oh, and some of our urinals back from your club's visits a couple of years ago would be good

What a pathetic specimen (excuse the pun) you are!

Female and elderly ,???? I thought it was children , Jesus all we need now is a few war heroes and a couple of disabled and we've got a full house
What happened that night was out of order but I'm not trying to defend it , and that pal is where you're problems lie despite acting like twats for decades you are still looking to blame everyone else for being treated Like shit , when you all know why really

Waddle, yes we did have a bad reputation once and yes I was involved once, but we all move on dont we? well I have, and doesn't everyone deserve a second chance? Do you have any skeletons in your closet? or are you squeaky clean?

West Ham,Chelsea, Leeds, Spurs etc etc etc all had reputations once, but they dont get treated like us still.

Waddle, yes we did have a bad reputation once and yes I was involved once, but we all move on dont we? well I have, and doesn't everyone deserve a second chance? Do you have any skeletons in your closet? or are you squeaky clean?

West Ham,Chelsea, Leeds, Spurs etc etc etc all had reputations once, but they dont get treated like us still.

I'm not saying you should be treated badly , what I'm saying is that the reason is plain to see but you are one of the only ones to actually hold your hands up and admit it's your own fault instead of pointing the finger at everyone else , maybe a trouble free away season will see you treated properly who knows I hope it does anyway

can see plenty more R.V's for the coaches this season and hopefully we will have issue free 1's as long as everyone tows the line and goes along with the guidelines set out, as i believe all the coaches did yesterday.
our coach had no problems yesterday apart from the fact it was a lot lighter going in to the R.V than we would have liked but managed to restore the weight issue with a quick pitstop not long after we set off home.
and i even managed to get a bottle of water from 2 coppers who were giving them to the others on duty after the food n drink outlet was shut. i did offer to pay for it and asked for something stronger but they declined both.

After a week from hell trying to sort out two buses after being let down after 2 months of being booked, we managed to get the extra 2 buses sorted on Thursday afternoon, we got 3 buses travelling to West Ham and set off on our pick ups from 8.30am.

On the buses we had a raffle which the winner got £50 and second prize was a City t-shirt donated by my brother Jamie, also a City fixture wall chart was available to everyone donated by Steve Troobloo.

Thanks to Annis everyone was given a free copy of The Rise and Fall of the Valley Rams written by Gwyn Davies, it is an interesting read about how the Rams have been instrumental in some of the measures that we use today, like pub stops, working with the police etc.

For those who have not read the book can buy it here http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/books/buy-books/

There was a RV at South Mimms between 12.00 and 12.30 where we exchanged vouchers for match tickets, unfortunately on entering the services each coach was allowed to park wherever they wished and there was no coordination or control by the police to take out the coaches in the order they arrived, when collecting the match tickets we were give coloured cards by the club to display in the windscreen but the problem was nobody from the police was liaising with the coach drivers to determine when we would leave.

Another point I found surprising was that despite many warnings from South Wales police to make sure there was no alcohol on any coaches, there was alcohol being served at the services and supporters were then taking the purchased beer on to the coaches.

2 of our coaches left the RV at 13.45, one of the 2 coaches weren't told we were going and had to try and catch the convoy, which we did after a few miles.

Bubbled by the police we went down the hard shoulder due to the amount of traffic on the M11, when we got a mile or so from the ground the convoy was then held at a roundabout for no apparent reason for 20 minutes ( we were not told of any reason, in fact we were not told anything at all ), this led to supporters alighting their coaches and deciding to walk the rest of the journey in the fear they would miss kick off as it was now 14.35.

Because the fans got off the coaches this seemed to buck the police up and finally they moved into action and got the coaches moving, we finally arrived at he ground at 14.45, the 3rd of our coaches did not make it to the ground until 15.00 exactly.

So it takes 2 hours 30 mins to get from South Wales to South Mimms and the RV was 12.30 but coaches did not arrive at the ground until 15.00, that is surely not right.

The police officers were friendly enough but there was an apparent lack of organisation to get the coaches to the ground in plenty of time, those of us on coaches did what was asked of us but it did feel like a kick in teeth the way we were held for such a long time.

Being constructive I felt each coach could have been allowed to exchange tickets and make the journey to the ground in their own time and the amount of officers used should have been on Barking Road awaiting our arrival and forming the line down the pavement like they did on the way out, which was a lot smoother and hassle free than the entry in.

Outside the turnstiles, I can see West Ham having many issues and flash points throughout this season due to the stewarding and the bottle necking of fans coming to the turnstiles.

I held back with my daughter as I had genuine concerns for her safety due to the way our supporters were being 'handled' by the stewards and the small space that fans were being hoarded through.

I am not against RV's and police escorts as I feel they help coaches get through built up areas quickly and safely but being that was a Premier League fixture yesterday there was nothing Premier League about the organising by the police or the stewards at the ground.

Once in the ground, our tickets had to be presented before we could enter the seating area and I guessed that as a result we would be seated in our correct seats unlike years that have gone by, so much so that when I handed the tickets out on the coach I gave them out in groups so that friends and family's sat together but once inside the main bowl this turned out not to be the case.

I did not see what happened at half time with the shutters being pulled down so cannot comment but I am aware of two parents with young children travelling on one of my coaches being upset at not being able to buy food or beverages for the children as a result.

All in all, at the next travel group meeting I will raise the concerns that I had with yesterday's lead up to the game and those that other fans on the coach raised, it could have been handled much better than it was leading up to the game and I would point out the way Barking Road was policed on our exit as a way forward for future games.

Thank you to everyone who travelled with Carlos Coaches yesterday and for your patience despite the long time spent on a coach for what really should be a straight forward trip.

to be fair you were lucky to be taken down the hard shoulder it was a motorcycle accident that caused the hold up on the M11 and the guy didnt look too clever as he was being put in the back of the ambulance as I drove past, it took an age to get into London so it wasnt just the coaches, I arrived at the ground about 1445 having left south mimms at 1230. I think I would know what the police would have taken as a priority, may have explained the lack of 'premier league' service and chaos.

You've wallowed in your reputation for many years holding certain people as heroes , now unfortunately you're being treated like the animals you once behaved as , I personally think you reap what you sew

I personally think it's very odd you commenting on this that has not got the slightest to do with Swansea.

Generally don't but you lot make me laugh with your hard done by tales everywhere you go , a very large percentage have acted like twats for decades so that's how you get treated , simple as that

And you are acting like one now

What have I said that isn't true ?

youre forgetting something mate even some of our bad elemeant have worked very hard to get us where we are today and we have been voted family club of the year two years on the trot everyone is doing there bit theres been no trouble in cardiff for years bristol city smash a pub up by the train station last year ourfans were not involved they stayed well away from them so but out and keep youre nose out of our business the people who run our trips work dam hard for the fans to have a good day but the police more often or not spoil it

I was on one of the CCSC coaches part of the group of coaches that were held a mile from the ground for 20minutes, we would have missed kick off if the fans on your coach didn't start walking so thanks! Got in the ground at 2.57pm

You've wallowed in your reputation for many years holding certain people as heroes , now unfortunately you're being treated like the animals you once behaved as , I personally think you reap what you sew

Just because we chased you for a mile no need to throw your teddy at us.

So getting the fans to a game late is going to help is it? Of course not when you give the "enemy" ammunition to use against you. Bad organisation it was that broke human rights. You don't fight bad with bad.

Just because we chased you for a mile no need to throw your teddy at us.

That is one of the funniest lines I have heard in a long time
Usain Bolt stars in his new film The Canton Mile
You have made my night

Thanks for the info Carl. Shame we had to go through all that crap.
No matter how much the Met and west ham tried to spoil it, it was a great trip on bus3.
Talked to some great lads from PT and good young uns from cardiff.

Got two hangovers plus a night out in Bridgends star wars bar afterwards. Just got home now!
And i won the raffle!

hi griff you and youre mates were great company on bus 3hell of a trip even though we were messed about by the police keep in touch

Half the coppers were too busy eating in the comfort of their vehicles or stocking up in the services itself! Poorly organised but our bus got into the ground at 14.15. Enough time for a couple of beers after getting squashed to death in the overcrowded bar. Can't make hull due to a birthday weekend but look forward to Fulham where hopefully things will be a lot easier and may get to enjoy a good couples of hours to socialise and soak up the atmos before kick off

Well worth their money fair play!

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Thanks for the info Carl. Shame we had to go through all that crap.
No matter how much the Met and west ham tried to spoil it, it was a great trip on bus3.
Talked to some great lads from PT and good young uns from cardiff.

Got two hangovers plus a night out in Bridgends star wars bar afterwards. Just got home now!
And i won the raffle!

hi griff you and youre mates were great company on bus 3hell of a trip even though we were messed about by the police keep in touch

Cheers mate. Speak soon

After a week from hell trying to sort out two buses after being let down after 2 months of being booked, we managed to get the extra 2 buses sorted on Thursday afternoon, we got 3 buses travelling to West Ham and set off on our pick ups from 8.30am.

On the buses we had a raffle which the winner got £50 and second prize was a City t-shirt donated by my brother Jamie, also a City fixture wall chart was available to everyone donated by Steve Troobloo.

Thanks to Annis everyone was given a free copy of The Rise and Fall of the Valley Rams written by Gwyn Davies, it is an interesting read about how the Rams have been instrumental in some of the measures that we use today, like pub stops, working with the police etc.

For those who have not read the book can buy it here http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/books/buy-books/

There was a RV at South Mimms between 12.00 and 12.30 where we exchanged vouchers for match tickets, unfortunately on entering the services each coach was allowed to park wherever they wished and there was no coordination or control by the police to take out the coaches in the order they arrived, when collecting the match tickets we were give coloured cards by the club to display in the windscreen but the problem was nobody from the police was liaising with the coach drivers to determine when we would leave.

Another point I found surprising was that despite many warnings from South Wales police to make sure there was no alcohol on any coaches, there was alcohol being served at the services and supporters were then taking the purchased beer on to the coaches.

2 of our coaches left the RV at 13.45, one of the 2 coaches weren't told we were going and had to try and catch the convoy, which we did after a few miles.

Bubbled by the police we went down the hard shoulder due to the amount of traffic on the M11, when we got a mile or so from the ground the convoy was then held at a roundabout for no apparent reason for 20 minutes ( we were not told of any reason, in fact we were not told anything at all ), this led to supporters alighting their coaches and deciding to walk the rest of the journey in the fear they would miss kick off as it was now 14.35.

Because the fans got off the coaches this seemed to buck the police up and finally they moved into action and got the coaches moving, we finally arrived at he ground at 14.45, the 3rd of our coaches did not make it to the ground until 15.00 exactly.

So it takes 2 hours 30 mins to get from South Wales to South Mimms and the RV was 12.30 but coaches did not arrive at the ground until 15.00, that is surely not right.

The police officers were friendly enough but there was an apparent lack of organisation to get the coaches to the ground in plenty of time, those of us on coaches did what was asked of us but it did feel like a kick in teeth the way we were held for such a long time.

Being constructive I felt each coach could have been allowed to exchange tickets and make the journey to the ground in their own time and the amount of officers used should have been on Barking Road awaiting our arrival and forming the line down the pavement like they did on the way out, which was a lot smoother and hassle free than the entry in.

Outside the turnstiles, I can see West Ham having many issues and flash points throughout this season due to the stewarding and the bottle necking of fans coming to the turnstiles.

I held back with my daughter as I had genuine concerns for her safety due to the way our supporters were being 'handled' by the stewards and the small space that fans were being hoarded through.

I am not against RV's and police escorts as I feel they help coaches get through built up areas quickly and safely but being that was a Premier League fixture yesterday there was nothing Premier League about the organising by the police or the stewards at the ground.

Once in the ground, our tickets had to be presented before we could enter the seating area and I guessed that as a result we would be seated in our correct seats unlike years that have gone by, so much so that when I handed the tickets out on the coach I gave them out in groups so that friends and family's sat together but once inside the main bowl this turned out not to be the case.

I did not see what happened at half time with the shutters being pulled down so cannot comment but I am aware of two parents with young children travelling on one of my coaches being upset at not being able to buy food or beverages for the children as a result.

All in all, at the next travel group meeting I will raise the concerns that I had with yesterday's lead up to the game and those that other fans on the coach raised, it could have been handled much better than it was leading up to the game and I would point out the way Barking Road was policed on our exit as a way forward for future games.

Thank you to everyone who travelled with Carlos Coaches yesterday and for your patience despite the long time spent on a coach for what really should be a straight forward trip.

to be fair you were lucky to be taken down the hard shoulder it was a motorcycle accident that caused the hold up on the M11 and the guy didnt look too clever as he was being put in the back of the ambulance as I drove past, it took an age to get into London so it wasnt just the coaches, I arrived at the ground about 1445 having left south mimms at 1230. I think I would know what the police would have taken as a priority, may have explained the lack of 'premier league' service and chaos.

So waiting in the services for over an hour before being taken out of there and also waiting on a slip road for 20 mins AFTER the hold up on the M11 was because of the motorcycle accident, it most certainly was not.

After a week from hell trying to sort out two buses after being let down after 2 months of being booked, we managed to get the extra 2 buses sorted on Thursday afternoon, we got 3 buses travelling to West Ham and set off on our pick ups from 8.30am.

On the buses we had a raffle which the winner got £50 and second prize was a City t-shirt donated by my brother Jamie, also a City fixture wall chart was available to everyone donated by Steve Troobloo.

Thanks to Annis everyone was given a free copy of The Rise and Fall of the Valley Rams written by Gwyn Davies, it is an interesting read about how the Rams have been instrumental in some of the measures that we use today, like pub stops, working with the police etc.

For those who have not read the book can buy it here http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/books/buy-books/

There was a RV at South Mimms between 12.00 and 12.30 where we exchanged vouchers for match tickets, unfortunately on entering the services each coach was allowed to park wherever they wished and there was no coordination or control by the police to take out the coaches in the order they arrived, when collecting the match tickets we were give coloured cards by the club to display in the windscreen but the problem was nobody from the police was liaising with the coach drivers to determine when we would leave.

Another point I found surprising was that despite many warnings from South Wales police to make sure there was no alcohol on any coaches, there was alcohol being served at the services and supporters were then taking the purchased beer on to the coaches.

2 of our coaches left the RV at 13.45, one of the 2 coaches weren't told we were going and had to try and catch the convoy, which we did after a few miles.

Bubbled by the police we went down the hard shoulder due to the amount of traffic on the M11, when we got a mile or so from the ground the convoy was then held at a roundabout for no apparent reason for 20 minutes ( we were not told of any reason, in fact we were not told anything at all ), this led to supporters alighting their coaches and deciding to walk the rest of the journey in the fear they would miss kick off as it was now 14.35.

Because the fans got off the coaches this seemed to buck the police up and finally they moved into action and got the coaches moving, we finally arrived at he ground at 14.45, the 3rd of our coaches did not make it to the ground until 15.00 exactly.

So it takes 2 hours 30 mins to get from South Wales to South Mimms and the RV was 12.30 but coaches did not arrive at the ground until 15.00, that is surely not right.

The police officers were friendly enough but there was an apparent lack of organisation to get the coaches to the ground in plenty of time, those of us on coaches did what was asked of us but it did feel like a kick in teeth the way we were held for such a long time.

Being constructive I felt each coach could have been allowed to exchange tickets and make the journey to the ground in their own time and the amount of officers used should have been on Barking Road awaiting our arrival and forming the line down the pavement like they did on the way out, which was a lot smoother and hassle free than the entry in.

Outside the turnstiles, I can see West Ham having many issues and flash points throughout this season due to the stewarding and the bottle necking of fans coming to the turnstiles.

I held back with my daughter as I had genuine concerns for her safety due to the way our supporters were being 'handled' by the stewards and the small space that fans were being hoarded through.

I am not against RV's and police escorts as I feel they help coaches get through built up areas quickly and safely but being that was a Premier League fixture yesterday there was nothing Premier League about the organising by the police or the stewards at the ground.

Once in the ground, our tickets had to be presented before we could enter the seating area and I guessed that as a result we would be seated in our correct seats unlike years that have gone by, so much so that when I handed the tickets out on the coach I gave them out in groups so that friends and family's sat together but once inside the main bowl this turned out not to be the case.

I did not see what happened at half time with the shutters being pulled down so cannot comment but I am aware of two parents with young children travelling on one of my coaches being upset at not being able to buy food or beverages for the children as a result.

All in all, at the next travel group meeting I will raise the concerns that I had with yesterday's lead up to the game and those that other fans on the coach raised, it could have been handled much better than it was leading up to the game and I would point out the way Barking Road was policed on our exit as a way forward for future games.

Thank you to everyone who travelled with Carlos Coaches yesterday and for your patience despite the long time spent on a coach for what really should be a straight forward trip.

to be fair you were lucky to be taken down the hard shoulder it was a motorcycle accident that caused the hold up on the M11 and the guy didnt look too clever as he was being put in the back of the ambulance as I drove past, it took an age to get into London so it wasnt just the coaches, I arrived at the ground about 1445 having left south mimms at 1230. I think I would know what the police would have taken as a priority, may have explained the lack of 'premier league' service and chaos.

So waiting in the services for over an hour before being taken out of there and also waiting on a slip road for 20 mins AFTER the hold up on the M11 was because of the motorcycle accident, it most certainly was not.

you can look at it anyway you want but in my opinion a motorcycle accident would take priority over a football game. I drove independently and the delays held me up so much that I didnt get to the ground till 1445 and thats because I got into a taxi rather than walk because I didnt want to be late. If you want to take it personally and make complaints go for it. Id put it down to events beyond the polices control and it was unfortunate. As ive said before I left South Mimms at 1230 I finally got to the ground with the aid of a taxi otherwise I would have missed kick off at 1445. Also im sure if you were severely delayed they would have delayed kick off.

Twaddle
palace Brighton Burnley Bolton to name couple that are trouble spots not forgetting our derby! Or are you going to blame our fans for reason its a bubble game? besides it is no excuse for bad treatment of fans, we only had 1 arrest at home last season less than you even, so comparing historic trouble is a bit rich considering your fans were fighting police because they couldn't get at our fans so no angels are you? But hey everyone loves Swansea don't they!

Our fans ain't angels, but the jacks are complete scum. Attacking the ninian park family enclosure FFS!

Personally this shows me once again, our supporters have not be shown respect, they gave the respect to our club and the Met, but never had it returned.