Cleverly boxing .....1st live opponent?

Did someone just write out Cleverley would wipe the floor with Carl Froch,did I just read that? And furthermore went onto say he gave him a swerve to fight George Groves

Why the feck would Froch be scared of Clev? He'll fight absolutely anyone,in any country and even in their own backyard.He's consistently done it throughout his career.He probably thought Clev at the moment wasn't a big enough fight.It's Clev that needs to prove himself for these big fights as he's fought nobodies up until tonight.Clev can't punch either and prefers to wear you down,Calzaghe style,post hand injuries.

I like Cleverley,but think he's limited and he's lucky that the division is so weak.Bernhard Hopkins ffs

Yeah he would wipe the floor with Froch, to slick for the brawler!! He offered Froch the fight at super middle and apparently would of been Froch' biggest payday, instead hes fighting George Groves LOL! doesn't take a genius to work that one out! Froch Doesnt want another number by that L IMO

Did someone just write out Cleverley would wipe the floor with Carl Froch,did I just read that? And furthermore went onto say he gave him a swerve to fight George Groves

Why the feck would Froch be scared of Clev? He'll fight absolutely anyone,in any country and even in their own backyard.He's consistently done it throughout his career.He probably thought Clev at the moment wasn't a big enough fight.It's Clev that needs to prove himself for these big fights as he's fought nobodies up until tonight.Clev can't punch either and prefers to wear you down,Calzaghe style,post hand injuries.

I like Cleverley,but think he's limited and he's lucky that the division is so weak.Bernhard Hopkins ffs

Yeah he would wipe the floor with Froch, to slick for the brawler!! He offered Froch the fight at super middle and apparently would of been Froch' biggest payday, instead hes fighting George Groves LOL! doesn't take a genius to work that one out! Froch Doesnt want another number by that L IMO

You sure? I thought it was Froch who would have had to go upto LH.Never have i heard Clev talking of dropping down to 168.And don't be too hard on George Groves,he's a very decent fighter and will give froch a good fight.He won't win obviously but will give him more of a battle than Cleverley would.

I dont know what to expect tonight, the record would suggest cleverly could find himself in alot of trouble.
lhis is a guy who knocks out all his opponants and cleverly has close to a 50% knock out ratio to his name so if we see 12 rounds the stats suggest he could end up on the canvass

Cleverly is overrated.
He has not faced a single world class opponent to date.
He basically inherited his title because of Jurgen Brehmers antics.
He has talent,but wants to be to much like Joe.He needs to break away from StayAtHome Warren ASAP.

Froch is without a doubt the best British operator of the past 5 years.
Level of opposition he has faced is above and beyond comparison.

I spoke with someone a while ago who suggested Khan has been more successful than Naz?
Not even close......
Khan has fantastic hand speed and some of the best footwork I've seen a British fighter produce. Those are his strengths along with a solid Jab.
But he doesn't have good punch resistance and has mental demons over previous defeats.

Those stats suggest he should box from the outside using his speed to stay away and not engage close in.
Using his hand speed,power and superior footwork to defeat his foes. May not knock everyone out,may not always be the most exciting fight. But it would be boxing to his strengths.

Instead he constantly thinks he can stand and trade, and blames everyone but himself.

Cleverly is overrated.
He has not faced a single world class opponent to date.
He basically inherited his title because of Jurgen Brehmers antics.
He has talent,but wants to be to much like Joe.He needs to break away from StayAtHome Warren ASAP.

Froch is without a doubt the best British operator of the past 5 years.
Level of opposition he has faced is above and beyond comparison.

I spoke with someone a while ago who suggested Khan has been more successful than Naz?
Not even close......
Khan has fantastic hand speed and some of the best footwork I've seen a British fighter produce. Those are his strengths along with a solid Jab.
But he doesn't have good punch resistance and has mental demons over previous defeats.

Those stats suggest he should box from the outside using his speed to stay away and not engage close in.
Using his hand speed,power and superior footwork to defeat his foes. May not knock everyone out,may not always be the most exciting fight. But it would be boxing to his strengths.

Instead he constantly thinks he can stand and trade, and blames everyone but himself.

None of those are proven at professional level in any way at all and none of them have done it on the world stage in America and proven that they can mix it with the best. You look at that list and you look elsewhere and you see better talent emerging on the professional scene across the pond.

There's not 1 British fighter currently in the Ring Magazine P4P top 10 and its easy to see why. British boxing is in a poor state at a professional level at the moment and some of those names up there you mentioned may come along and help put it back up where it belongs but we're talking about the here and now, not in 3-4 years when those up there try and peak professionally and move up the ladders after notching up quite a few professional bouts on these shores.

1. Mayweather
2. Ward
3. JMM
4. Wlad
5. Mares
6. Martinez
7. Pacquiao
8. Broner
9. Bradley
10. Canelo

Not one British boxer. Now in 5-10 years time some of those names you mentioned up there may break onto the scene massively and start peaking in their careers and we'll be saying 'theres another golden generation of Brits coming through'. I agree with that but i'm discussing the here and now.

Here, only Froch makes the list and I'd agree given Khan's recent setbacks in the States and Haye not venturing out there. That you cant really argue with. Its a telling story though. Lets just hope some of the names you mentioned aren't bums like the current generation - Fraudley, Chisora, Fury and so on and so on.

None of those you've mentioned are established at all. They've not fought anyone of real calibre at professional and whilst some of them have done very well at amateur level, professional level is a different kettle of fish altogether.

Lets hope they do put some pride back in British boxing. Nothing better than seeing a good scrap between a Brit and an American and everyone getting patriotic about it. If there was a true Brit who could challenge at the very top over there against the array of talent, i'd admit it and back them but i'm a realist and the case of the matter is they are ahead of at the current time.

Another massive problem in the UK is that sports like boxing and Muay Thai and so on are rarely accepted as groups at universities for health and safety reasons whereas such activities are encouraged in America to become true Olympiads and then go on to get a career. That is something politicians need to address.[/quote]


mate I knw the names I have listed are not established YET im on about we have got young up and coming talent in our nation, yes cracking America is always a massive goal BUT to state british boxing is a bad state is ludicrous, all the ones you have stated are all ready made boxers whos already had long careers without exception of broner and alvarez, we have got a bag full of talent and I haven't even named everyone yet, America has been screaming out for young HOME talent, that's why their amatures has been in decline for a while now, America got the best promotions and yes the best of the best must go state side but you have got to graft and come through ranks first, NEVER judge a british boxer or non british boxer because they aint done it on world scene yet, problem with MOST boxing fans is they look at massive names on tv they don't look out for the young fighters the future fights, its all about the glamour and lights, always look at our own

you seems you are massive boxing and I respect that, I love debated boxing so always here to chat about it

Cleverly is overrated.
He has not faced a single world class opponent to date.
He basically inherited his title because of Jurgen Brehmers antics.
He has talent,but wants to be to much like Joe.He needs to break away from StayAtHome Warren ASAP.

Froch is without a doubt the best British operator of the past 5 years.
Level of opposition he has faced is above and beyond comparison.

I spoke with someone a while ago who suggested Khan has been more successful than Naz?
Not even close......
Khan has fantastic hand speed and some of the best footwork I've seen a British fighter produce. Those are his strengths along with a solid Jab.
But he doesn't have good punch resistance and has mental demons over previous defeats.

Those stats suggest he should box from the outside using his speed to stay away and not engage close in.
Using his hand speed,power and superior footwork to defeat his foes. May not knock everyone out,may not always be the most exciting fight. But it would be boxing to his strengths.

Instead he constantly thinks he can stand and trade, and blames everyone but himself.

This.

Warren will happily keep him fighting in Wales and pissing about with WBO mandatories,whilst making a hundred grand each fight.He needs to drop Warren and go with Hennessy or Hearn now and get Stateside and spar and fight the best out there.He'll be more respected in boxing circles for this.As things stand Cleverley is a biggish name in Wales but almost unheard of where it counts,Stateside.

Get out there Clev and dont be Warren's cash cow for the next 5 years.

British boxing is producing a lot of boxers of British/European class and the domestic pool is getting bigger and better making those belts harder to win and keep, but as for world class fighters we are miles off having any of real note. Personally feel that Clev isn't over rated but he needs harder fights and to fight in the US to prove his talent. Khan for me was rushed into big fights too soon and for this his defence has suffered, he's a decent fighter but hyped up because he's Asian imo. Not going to even give a thought on the Fury/Haye comedy. The one up and coming fighter of any note not mentioned I would say is Lee Selby as I think he's got the confidence to go to America and take them on.

agree with most of what you said but not the hyped up because hes Asian, people think that's the case but its not at all hes been hyped up because way he won Olympic sliver at a young age and at the time british boxing was at a low and then an exciting talent like khan came along and we tried to burn the flame once again with him and it took off from there and then after our success at 2008 Olympics boxing started to become relative again, just got to look at all our domestic fighters we are producing, more promoters e.g dave codwell, we are starting to became a force again, going take a while for a few world class fighters to stay up top but we got a bag full of talent who can give it a ago

mate I knw the names I have listed are not established YET im on about we have got young up and coming talent in our nation, yes cracking America is always a massive goal BUT to state british boxing is a bad state is ludicrous, all the ones you have stated are all ready made boxers whos already had long careers without exception of broner and alvarez, we have got a bag full of talent and I haven't even named everyone yet, America has been screaming out for young HOME talent, that's why their amatures has been in decline for a while now, America got the best promotions and yes the best of the best must go state side but you have got to graft and come through ranks first, NEVER judge a british boxer or non british boxer because they aint done it on world scene yet, problem with MOST boxing fans is they look at massive names on tv they don't look out for the young fighters the future fights, its all about the glamour and lights, always look at our own

you seems you are massive boxing and I respect that, I love debated boxing so always here to chat about it

Thats fair enough mate. Im not knocking British boxing because I want too, but because im a realist and can just see it for what it is. I agree there is a lot of talent coming through, talent that hopefully will improve the state at the top end of the sport.

Im not judging on names at all but my problem is fighters in the UK, a lot of them, are being protected by the likes of promoters such as Frank Warren to have their careers drawn out for profit.

I also still think the system needs a shake up and we need more boxing academy's and to bring it back in schools with an opt out system. If they wanted to combat bullying and the like they could easy. A boxer don't start a fight on a boxer because they respect their capabilities to protect themselves and handle themselves. Also see nothing wrong with people being trained to be able to handle themselves in certain situations.

With the world a dangerous place and people getting bottled in clubs and so on, would not hurt anybody for more people to be able to protect themselves to sort the scum out who resort to such things. Its health and safety gone mad and its obviously this country's problem because in other countries they have sports like this in schools and so on and encourage it alongside a successful academic education.

NIce to debate with you on boxing though and continue it whenever. I find some of the most respectable people I've ever met are boxing enthusiasts, proper gentlemen who got a lot of respect for what matters.

Offensively Khan is top 3 p4p in the world imo.Defensively he's a shambles.The one thing you can't improve on in boxing is your ability to take a punch and Khan can't,even with a thicker neck

This.

Warren will happily keep him fighting in Wales and pissing about with WBO mandatories,whilst making a hundred grand each fight.He needs to drop Warren and go with Hennessy or Hearn now and get Stateside and spar and fight the best out there.He'll be more respected in boxing circles for this.As things stand Cleverley is a biggish name in Wales but almost unheard of where it counts,Stateside.

Get out there Clev and dont be Warren's cash cow for the next 5 years.

The Jack obviously knows his boxing but then against a lot of gypsy's do.

Offensively Khan is top 3 p4p in the world imo.Defensively he's a shambles.The one thing you can't improve on in boxing is your ability to take a punch and Khan can't,even with a thicker neck

Spot on. People will rip me for this no doubt because they wont understand some of what im trying to say but Khan could have been a better Mayweather by being a lot like Mayweather defensively. His attacking attributes, speed and jabs are unreal. His ability at range to get in and use combinations, when he uses them and sticks to the game plan, is amazing.

Khan can't take a hit and he needs to learn like Mayweather to not get hit and adapt his defensive game plan so the shots roll off him and then counter punch. Khan spends too much time trying to frigging trade with opponents and its so frustrating to see when you know the lad with a proper head on his shoulders could do very well.

Khan has the attacking attributes so all his focus in training should be going on evasive training, learning moves such as the shoulder roll. Of course these are easier to learn when you're young and some just find it natural to pull off such. Im not saying Khan can be like Mayweather, to me Mayweather is a fighter who is a class above the current era of boxers and rarely even steps up a gear. Good for him in a way, bad for him in others. Loads of pay days of course for him but I cant help but think he'd have been in some of the best bouts of all times if he was fighting in a different era.

The biggest problem is Khan's mental game and he is not learning. He claims he is but hes full of rubbish. He is still trying to trade and get into slugfests with boxers who will punish you. Calzaghe found out the hard way that if you trade with a heavy hitter and play at their game you are going to end up on your arse. Calzaghe learned quick though and got back up, composed himself and stuck to the game plan and picked them off on the outside with his combinations and thats the difference with Khan, he hasn't learnt.

I just don't get why Khan hasn't adapted his game plan when numerous defeats against a certain type of opposition should have made it very clear to him by now.

Did someone just write out Cleverley would wipe the floor with Carl Froch,did I just read that? And furthermore went onto say he gave him a swerve to fight George Groves

Why the feck would Froch be scared of Clev? He'll fight absolutely anyone,in any country and even in their own backyard.He's consistently done it throughout his career.He probably thought Clev at the moment wasn't a big enough fight.It's Clev that needs to prove himself for these big fights as he's fought nobodies up until tonight.Clev can't punch either and prefers to wear you down,Calzaghe style,post hand injuries.

I like Cleverley,but think he's limited and he's lucky that the division is so weak.Bernhard Hopkins ffs

Yeah he would wipe the floor with Froch, to slick for the brawler!! He offered Froch the fight at super middle and apparently would of been Froch' biggest payday, instead hes fighting George Groves LOL! doesn't take a genius to work that one out! Froch Doesnt want another number by that L IMO

You sure? I thought it was Froch who would have had to go upto LH.Never have i heard Clev talking of dropping down to 168.And don't be too hard on George Groves,he's a very decent fighter and will give froch a good fight.He won't win obviously but will give him more of a battle than Cleverley would.

Cleverly tweeted that he would drop to 168 to fight Froch and heard it in a number of interviews, Yeah george is a decent fighter hope he beats Froch i cant stand how arrogant the bloke is! LOL ok that's your opinion, although i think its ballocks that you think George groves would give a better battle than Clev, we all got different opinions and only time will tell, Just because clev doesn't knock people out doesn't make him less better, the guy throws 1000 punches a fight, for LH that's special!!

This.

Warren will happily keep him fighting in Wales and pissing about with WBO mandatories,whilst making a hundred grand each fight.He needs to drop Warren and go with Hennessy or Hearn now and get Stateside and spar and fight the best out there.He'll be more respected in boxing circles for this.As things stand Cleverley is a biggish name in Wales but almost unheard of where it counts,Stateside.

Get out there Clev and dont be Warren's cash cow for the next 5 years.

The Jack obviously knows his boxing but then against a lot of gypsy's do.

I've been a boxing fan since the days of Colin Jones mate.He fought a chap called Milton McCrory,who was king of the welterweights at the time.Gorseinon boy Jones fought him twice in the early 80's,drawing the first and losing a split decision in the rematch.Both were fought in 100 degree heat in the Nevada desert.I can remember staying up late with my old man to watch the fights.I've had the boxing bug since then.And when Calzaghe came along i bacame a real boxing nerd as he was seriously world class.I'm not getting Clev though,I wish i could but he just doesn't seem to have that box office punch and power and his division is hardly ladened with superstars.

Have a watch of this when you get chance,it was brutal.

anyway forget about cleverly for now... what about Darren barker v Daniel geale early hours in the morning
I can see barker pulling this off, after failed attempts by himself, murray, macklin and lee in the past against Martinez, glovkin and chavez jr, I personally believe barker can beat geale

come on barker bring a world title back to Britain

hopefully we will have

froch
cleverly
mcdonell
barker

then September
quiqq aswell

This.

Warren will happily keep him fighting in Wales and pissing about with WBO mandatories,whilst making a hundred grand each fight.He needs to drop Warren and go with Hennessy or Hearn now and get Stateside and spar and fight the best out there.He'll be more respected in boxing circles for this.As things stand Cleverley is a biggish name in Wales but almost unheard of where it counts,Stateside.

Get out there Clev and dont be Warren's cash cow for the next 5 years.

The Jack obviously knows his boxing but then against a lot of gypsy's do.

See pure arrogance! how anyone likes him ill never know, seen that before it was a while ago mistake me if im wrong? he wont being saying that if Clev wins in style tonight

Offensively Khan is top 3 p4p in the world imo.Defensively he's a shambles.The one thing you can't improve on in boxing is your ability to take a punch and Khan can't,even with a thicker neck

Spot on. People will rip me for this no doubt because they wont understand some of what im trying to say but Khan could have been a better Mayweather by being a lot like Mayweather defensively. His attacking attributes, speed and jabs are unreal. His ability at range to get in and use combinations, when he uses them and sticks to the game plan, is amazing.

Khan can't take a hit and he needs to learn like Mayweather to not get hit and adapt his defensive game plan so the shots roll off him and then counter punch. Khan spends too much time trying to frigging trade with opponents and its so frustrating to see when you know the lad with a proper head on his shoulders could do very well.

Khan has the attacking attributes so all his focus in training should be going on evasive training, learning moves such as the shoulder roll. Of course these are easier to learn when you're young and some just find it natural to pull off such. Im not saying Khan can be like Mayweather, to me Mayweather is a fighter who is a class above the current era of boxers and rarely even steps up a gear. Good for him in a way, bad for him in others. Loads of pay days of course for him but I cant help but think he'd have been in some of the best bouts of all times if he was fighting in a different era.

The biggest problem is Khan's mental game and he is not learning. He claims he is but hes full of rubbish. He is still trying to trade and get into slugfests with boxers who will punish you. Calzaghe found out the hard way that if you trade with a heavy hitter and play at their game you are going to end up on your arse. Calzaghe learned quick though and got back up, composed himself and stuck to the game plan and picked them off on the outside with his combinations and thats the difference with Khan, he hasn't learnt.

I just don't get why Khan hasn't adapted his game plan when numerous defeats against a certain type of opposition should have made it very clear to him by now.

Great post,James.I was there that night when Calzaghe tasted the canvas for the first time against Byron Mitchell.Not sure he learned in that fight to be more cagey though as he got up and finished Mitchell off within a minute or so,i recall.You're spot on though with Khan.Someone said earlier on here,it might have been you.They said it all happened too quickly for Khan.As soon as he won Olympic silver,i think he gained revenge on the Cuban who beat him and then went straight into the pro game.Can't remember the guy's name,Prescott,maybe? Anyway that was the first sign that Khan would unravel at some point as he had no punch resitance.

Offensively Khan is top 3 p4p in the world imo.Defensively he's a shambles.The one thing you can't improve on in boxing is your ability to take a punch and Khan can't,even with a thicker neck

Spot on. People will rip me for this no doubt because they wont understand some of what im trying to say but Khan could have been a better Mayweather by being a lot like Mayweather defensively. His attacking attributes, speed and jabs are unreal. His ability at range to get in and use combinations, when he uses them and sticks to the game plan, is amazing.

Khan can't take a hit and he needs to learn like Mayweather to not get hit and adapt his defensive game plan so the shots roll off him and then counter punch. Khan spends too much time trying to frigging trade with opponents and its so frustrating to see when you know the lad with a proper head on his shoulders could do very well.

Khan has the attacking attributes so all his focus in training should be going on evasive training, learning moves such as the shoulder roll. Of course these are easier to learn when you're young and some just find it natural to pull off such. Im not saying Khan can be like Mayweather, to me Mayweather is a fighter who is a class above the current era of boxers and rarely even steps up a gear. Good for him in a way, bad for him in others. Loads of pay days of course for him but I cant help but think he'd have been in some of the best bouts of all times if he was fighting in a different era.

The biggest problem is Khan's mental game and he is not learning. He claims he is but hes full of rubbish. He is still trying to trade and get into slugfests with boxers who will punish you. Calzaghe found out the hard way that if you trade with a heavy hitter and play at their game you are going to end up on your arse. Calzaghe learned quick though and got back up, composed himself and stuck to the game plan and picked them off on the outside with his combinations and thats the difference with Khan, he hasn't learnt.

I just don't get why Khan hasn't adapted his game plan when numerous defeats against a certain type of opposition should have made it very clear to him by now.

Great post,James.I was there that night when Calzaghe tasted the canvas for the first time against Byron Mitchell.Not sure he learned in that fight to be more cagey though as he got up and finished Mitchell off within a minute or so,i recall.You're spot on though with Khan.Someone said earlier on here,it might have been you.They said it all happened too quickly for Khan.As soon as he won Olympic silver,i think he gained revenge on the Cuban who beat him and then went straight into the pro game.Can't remember the guy's name,Prescott,maybe? Anyway that was the first sign that Khan would unravel at some point as he had no punch resitance.

yeah he revenged his loss to the Cuban after Olympics, Prescott knocked him out early but he was also down against williw limond, gomez etc aswell at domestic level. to me they was the first real signs that he needed to changed his defensive side, Prescott should never been an option at the time and we saw the end results, but we still pushed khan straight after and to me that gave khan a mentality it was a fluke see they still want to push me even though I just suffered a devastation ko loss

Cleverly tweeted that he would drop to 168 to fight Froch and heard it in a number of interviews, Yeah george is a decent fighter hope he beats Froch i cant stand how arrogant the bloke is! LOL ok that's your opinion, although i think its ballocks that you think George groves would give a better battle than Clev, we all got different opinions and only time will tell, Just because clev doesn't knock people out doesn't make him less better, the guy throws 1000 punches a fight, for LH that's special!!

Arrogant? Its not arrogance when you can back it up mate. You think he's arrogant because he's confident and right most of the time to be honest to Froch. He's British P4P No. 1 for a very good reason, because he's the best boxer in the country at the moment.

Arrogant? Prince Naseem Hamed was arrogant and then got his comeuppance. Froch has backed it up and is a four time world champion and currently has 2 belts that are of higher rank than Cleverly's WBO belt as Froch as said himself and he's right.

The amount of people overhyping Welsh boxers is laughable. Muslims do it with Khan, the English with Brook and Hatton and so on. I knew Hatton would get done in by Floyd and Brook still is fighting bums. Khan, okay he's got good names on his record and has been in some good fights and the divisions hes in and around are arguably the biggest in boxing at the moment so the lad you gotta give him some credit.

Gavin Rees is another and I won a lot of money on that as I knew Broner would do him quite easily.

Floyd vs Canelo is going to be a very tough fight to call but I've gone with Floyd because I still think he's only ever stepped it up in his career 3 times - once vs Judah who at the time was very fast and had stamina, once vs DLH in a classic bout and once vs Mosley when Mosley tagged Floyd and Floyd upped his game for a few rounds to establish who was boss in the ring.

Other than that Floyd has mostly been in cruise control and I hope we see him up his game a gear of two vs Canelo and im sure he will have to to pull off the win if he is to win. I think only an idiot would be against Floyd to be honest. Canelo is good and I would not be surprised if he pulls off the win by trying to cut off the ring and pounding Floyd with shot after shot and playing the probability game.

Its definitely going to be an interesting one. Another thing is, Canelo is coming down to a catch weight so he's experienced being hit by more powerful punches by Floyd. If Floyd is to win, I think its going to go to the judges and he's going to have to work the ropes and counter punch Canelo and then roll away and do the same again much like he did with Hatton until the KO.

I can't wait for the fight but I think Floyd is going to win it on points. I would love it if Canelo won just because it would be great for boxing and would get people talking again about how Floyd got beat and so on and whip up interest in the sport.

Whats your prediction on the Floyd vs Canelo fight?

Offensively Khan is top 3 p4p in the world imo.Defensively he's a shambles.The one thing you can't improve on in boxing is your ability to take a punch and Khan can't,even with a thicker neck

Spot on. People will rip me for this no doubt because they wont understand some of what im trying to say but Khan could have been a better Mayweather by being a lot like Mayweather defensively. His attacking attributes, speed and jabs are unreal. His ability at range to get in and use combinations, when he uses them and sticks to the game plan, is amazing.

Khan can't take a hit and he needs to learn like Mayweather to not get hit and adapt his defensive game plan so the shots roll off him and then counter punch. Khan spends too much time trying to frigging trade with opponents and its so frustrating to see when you know the lad with a proper head on his shoulders could do very well.

Khan has the attacking attributes so all his focus in training should be going on evasive training, learning moves such as the shoulder roll. Of course these are easier to learn when you're young and some just find it natural to pull off such. Im not saying Khan can be like Mayweather, to me Mayweather is a fighter who is a class above the current era of boxers and rarely even steps up a gear. Good for him in a way, bad for him in others. Loads of pay days of course for him but I cant help but think he'd have been in some of the best bouts of all times if he was fighting in a different era.

The biggest problem is Khan's mental game and he is not learning. He claims he is but hes full of rubbish. He is still trying to trade and get into slugfests with boxers who will punish you. Calzaghe found out the hard way that if you trade with a heavy hitter and play at their game you are going to end up on your arse. Calzaghe learned quick though and got back up, composed himself and stuck to the game plan and picked them off on the outside with his combinations and thats the difference with Khan, he hasn't learnt.

I just don't get why Khan hasn't adapted his game plan when numerous defeats against a certain type of opposition should have made it very clear to him by now.

Great post,James.I was there that night when Calzaghe tasted the canvas for the first time against Byron Mitchell.Not sure he learned in that fight to be more cagey though as he got up and finished Mitchell off within a minute or so,i recall.You're spot on though with Khan.Someone said earlier on here,it might have been you.They said it all happened too quickly for Khan.As soon as he won Olympic silver,i think he gained revenge on the Cuban who beat him and then went straight into the pro game.Can't remember the guy's name,Prescott,maybe? Anyway that was the first sign that Khan would unravel at some point as he had no punch resitance.

yeah he revenged his loss to the Cuban after Olympics, Prescott knocked him out early but he was also down against williw limond, gomez etc aswell at domestic level. to me they was the first real signs that he needed to changed his defensive side, Prescott should never been an option at the time and we saw the end results, but we still pushed khan straight after and to me that gave khan a mentality it was a fluke see they still want to push me even though I just suffered a devastation ko loss

Yeah i forgot about Willie Limond and Mike Gomez.The warning signs were there from the start that he was vulnerable.

Cheers for the link 6bysedd - would be good to have a drink sometime with you down west Wales (im in Aber at the moment) and talk about boxing and have a bit of banter about the football as well.

I love watching boxing films as well about the classics. Being brought up in a boxing family was great for me and watched a few films but one that stands out for me is an old black and white film featuring Jack Dempsey, the Prizefighter and the Lady I think its called and its a classic film featuring Max Baer and so on. Proper old school showing how it was in them days.

Cheers for the link 6bysedd - would be good to have a drink sometime with you down west Wales (im in Aber at the moment) and talk about boxing and have a bit of banter about the football as well.

I love watching boxing films as well about the classics. Being brought up in a boxing family was great for me and watched a few films but one that stands out for me is an old black and white film featuring Jack Dempsey, the Prizefighter and the Lady I think its called and its a classic film featuring Max Baer and so on. Proper old school showing how it was in them days.

I was up in Borth caravanning last year.Maybe next year if your still about.Haven't seen the film you mentioned but have seen the obvious choice 'On the Waterfront' which is epic.I loved all the old heavyweights too.Wasn't Max Baer,Hitlers propaganda tool or was that Max Schmelling?One of them turned their back on nazi Germany and chose to become an adopted American if i remember.Then there was the circus freak Primo Carnero,the 6ft 8 Italian giant and then of course Gene Tunney and Dempsey.All greats of heavyweight boxing

Yeah he would wipe the floor with Froch, to slick for the brawler!! He offered Froch the fight at super middle and apparently would of been Froch' biggest payday, instead hes fighting George Groves LOL! doesn't take a genius to work that one out! Froch Doesnt want another number by that L IMO

You might want to stop buying those mushrooms pal.

This.

Warren will happily keep him fighting in Wales and pissing about with WBO mandatories,whilst making a hundred grand each fight.He needs to drop Warren and go with Hennessy or Hearn now and get Stateside and spar and fight the best out there.He'll be more respected in boxing circles for this.As things stand Cleverley is a biggish name in Wales but almost unheard of where it counts,Stateside.

Get out there Clev and dont be Warren's cash cow for the next 5 years.

The Jack obviously knows his boxing but then against a lot of gypsy's do.

I've been a boxing fan since the days of Colin Jones mate.He fought a chap called Milton McCrory,who was king of the welterweights at the time.Gorseinon boy Jones fought him twice in the early 80's,drawing the first and losing a split decision in the rematch.Both were fought in 100 degree heat in the Nevada desert.I can remember staying up late with my old man to watch the fights.I've had the boxing bug since then.And when Calzaghe came along i bacame a real boxing nerd as he was seriously world class.I'm not getting Clev though,I wish i could but he just doesn't seem to have that box office punch and power and his division is hardly ladened with superstars.

Have a watch of this when you get chance,it was brutal.

i remember this .jones lost to don curry if im correct in 85?the n.e.c?early doors?.colin jones was around at the time of truely great champs like m.m and donald curry.at any normal time he prob would have been a world champ.same problem a few years later for herrol graham at middleweight.the middleweight scene had mike maccallam and hagler.didn,t herrol lose a split descion to mike mac?different days eh?back in the 80,s we had those dreadful champs at heavy weight.tony tnt tubbs et all.then mike tyson wiped them out.mid/ late seventies we had ken norton who beat ali never having a world title.