PS4 or Xbox One?

If Microsoft become just as successful, they will do the complete opposite & will be intent on selling at the highest price!

Bollocks because its a competitive market still. The fact Sony still remain in the market means if Microsoft put their prices up sky high they would lose their customers in their droves. Microsoft would undercut Sony on game prices and try and take their share in the market. Microsoft's intent on controlling the market, not alienating it. The best way to get Sony fanboys to get on their side is to lower game prices.

It's not bollox at all, Give me 1 piece of evidence that shows Microsoft intent in offering great value for money. Microsoft have already lost customers in their droves because they tried to screw everyone over in order to make maximum revenue. They Will alienate the market in order to control it just as they have done in the past with it's no.1 franchise... Halo! Most Sony fanboys are previous Xbox360 owners!! strange that

Some serious nerdgasm's going on in this thread, geez Louise

Some serious nerdgasm's going on in this thread, geez Louise

Fook me are you Roathie in disguise?! trying to derail threads ??

Don't ptb.. Buy a PS4

Some serious nerdgasm's going on in this thread, geez Louise

Just trying to educate someone Gavin. He can't come to terms with the fact that the used games market is killing developers whereas buying cheaper DRM controlled games that are new helps them because they get a cut of the sales.

Theres a reason retailers like Gamestop are being slammed in the press in the States for forcing the sales of used games rather than new games which they get a cut taken off them for. Its all explained her in depth but Sony lover over here wont see the light at the end of the tunnel.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2 ... used-games

He claims to love indie and used it in his argument yet his actions of buying used games hurts indie developers so he makes no sense whatsoever. Put it this way, as someone who knows the industry (software engineering) if I was to release a game it'd go either through Apple's app store or Steam and that is that because the other distribution methods hurt developers greatly and they're the ones we should be rewarding for their efforts.

I definately see what your saying JB, Id be more tempted to buy games for my son directly from psn or xbox live, but I hate the fact they charge more for a recent title online for download than they do in a store. I know im straying away from your point a little there.

Maybe they should look at how spotify has changed the music download market and try to adapt in a similar way.

Im going to bed now, check your reply tomoz

Some serious nerdgasm's going on in this thread, geez Louise

Just trying to educate someone Gavin. He can't come to terms with the fact that the used games market is killing developers whereas buying cheaper DRM controlled games that are new helps them because they get a cut of the sales.

Theres a reason retailers like Gamestop are being slammed in the press in the States for forcing the sales of used games rather than new games which they get a cut taken off them for. Its all explained her in depth but Sony lover over here wont see the light at the end of the tunnel.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2 ... used-games

He claims to love indie and used it in his argument yet his actions of buying used games hurts indie developers so he makes no sense whatsoever. Put it this way, as someone who knows the industry (software engineering) if I was to release a game it'd go either through Apple's app store or Steam and that is that because the other distribution methods hurt developers greatly and they're the ones we should be rewarding for their efforts.

Physical content has resale potential, which benefits me, the consumer. The used games market is NOT killing developers, it's preventing them from getting a bigger slice of the pie! You sound like a right clown when you try to justify your comments by claiming to be a "software engineer" especially by blabbering on about IOS or steam for releasing content on. This is about 2 consoles... PS4 & Xbox one!! my god your stupidity on times is infuriating Indie game developers get hurt when they had to fork out $60,000 for each game update!!! Guess which Console came up with that idea???

Physical content has resale potential, which benefits me, the consumer.

Lower game prices benefit me, the consumer, on newer games, not owned by some other person and I can also play them elsewhere in the world without carrying the hardware with me. Isn't that just wonderful? The fact I can go to any PC in the world, install Steam and access my games appeals greater to me than having to have the hardware there all the time or take my games with me or whatever.

As a student who goes abroad to different places and so on then thats a massive plus and would be brilliant on console as well and would also bring back gaming centres as people could go in, log in with their account for 2 hours or so on and then left and paid for the time they used.

People just fear change. Its ridiculous.

The used games market is NOT killing developers, it's preventing them from getting a bigger slice of the pie!

Which then goes back into funding for more development. Thats a bit obvious. Its the same in any trade. The more you make the more you can settle your overheads with and the more to go back into investment.

You sound like a right clown when you try to justify your comments by claiming to be a "software engineer" especially by blabbering on about IOS or steam for releasing content on. This is about 2 consoles... PS4 & Xbox one!!

All the same in reality. The used games market is hurting developers and its been proven time and time again but you keep on insulting me because your argument is thinner than Kate Moss.

my god your stupidity on times is infuriating

Is it? Thats lovely. You seem intent on believing what you want is the thing that is right for the market when it ain't. Just because you want it, it doesn't mean its the right thing. I want all games to be free, does that make it right? No. Would that be wonderful for the consumer? Hell yes as we'd all get free games but its not realistic from a business point of view and neither is the used games market for the business market and as someone who will one day work in that market I see that point of view and agree with it.

I cant wait until the Steam model comes to console and it will and Microsoft will benefit massively from it.

Indie game developers get hurt when they had to fork out $60,000 for each game update!!! Guess which Console came up with that idea???

Fair enough, they decided to do that but do you know the ins and outs of what that offered in terms of service? No you do not so its all speculation plus they've done a uturn on that policy as well and developers are allowed to self publish.

of course it hurts the developers when games get used through pre owned market, that's why some have gone out of business recently. But as a right as a consumer you should be entitled to sell your games whenever you physically own the game disc you should have the right to keep it forever or lend it out or sell it, that's where Microsoft went wrong with xbox one, hardly nobody can afford to buy new games all the time, its all about money end of the day

I definately see what your saying JB, Id be more tempted to buy games for my son directly from psn or xbox live, but I hate the fact they charge more for a recent title online for download than they do in a store. I know im straying away from your point a little there.

The reason the prices are so high is because I can buy a game for £40 on release day, lets say GTA5, complete it in a week and take it back and the trade in value on that game is still around £30. Thats £10 for a weeks gaming of a new game and then I can go and trade it in. When you trade that game in the developers get nothing so to cover that cost they inflate the RRP initially to balance it out.

People who purchase new games are being penalised by those who are trading in games and retailers forcing through trading/used game sales rather than new game sales where developers get a cut per sale. He seems to think its all to do with money and greed but this is the creative industry, not the banking industry. Without profit then there is no investment and companies go bust.

So many companies over the years, great gaming companies have gone bust because the used game market has ruined them.

Loads of companies had been reluctant to sell on PC until Steam offered a protective system whereby the games more often than not are DRM protected to a level whereby you need an official version to play online against those on official servers. You can of course get pirated games and play on illegal servers but then you are limiting your experience of multiplayer to other gamers who are pirates.

But its okay as long as our good friend here can pop into CEX and purchase a used game for £10.

Maybe they should look at how spotify has changed the music download market and try to adapt in a similar way.

This model will never work in gaming and its bad for the music industry as well. Artists get a percentage based on so many plays and more and more artists are pulling their music from the service because they are losing out on money. Its been well publicised on Reddit that plenty of artists have put in complaints to get their music removed. Now they only get xyz amount per play of a song so need millions of plays to make a decent sum.

Heres one example below: http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/c ... s_per_day/

So unless you're a very good artist who's well known you're going to find it hard to make money from Spotify.

There are several factors to be considered if you were planning a similar business model for gaming:

1) What would you charge per play to the consumer? i.e. like iTunes
2) If you were going on a monthly rate like Spotify, how much per month do you charge to satisfy all concerned?

In answer to number 2, its highly likely the cost needed to cover all expenses - advertising, staffs wages, upkeep of the system, hardware costs and infrastructure then paying the developers for their cuts would mean the price per month would be massive and would people pay that up front without knowing what games are out that year or the quality that year? Its a risk and one most wouldn't take.

of course it hurts the developers when games get used through pre owned market, that's why some have gone out of business recently. But as a right as a consumer you should be entitled to sell your games whenever you physically own the game disc you should have the right to keep it forever or lend it out or sell it, that's where Microsoft went wrong with xbox one, hardly nobody can afford to buy new games all the time, its all about money end of the day

All the benefits of a DRM imposed system outweigh the negatives. Anyway, im fed up of debating about the issue anyway as PC master race is the best anyway.

Lower game prices benefit me, the consumer, on newer games, not owned by some other person and I can also play them elsewhere in the world without carrying the hardware with me. Isn't that just wonderful? The fact I can go to any PC in the world, install Steam and access my games appeals greater to me than having to have the hardware there all the time or take my games with me or whatever.

Again that's a difference of opinion but your off topic, this argument is not about the PC.

People just fear change. Its ridiculous.

I fear Microsoft trying to monopolize the DRM market. Your predicting they will be able to offer us more value for money. I'm going factual with all past events regarding Microsoft.They will milk it best they can!

You sound like a right clown when you try to justify your comments by claiming to be a "software engineer" especially by blabbering on about IOS or steam for releasing content on. This is about 2 consoles... PS4 & Xbox one!!

All the same in reality. The used games market is hurting developers and its been proven time and time again but you keep on insulting me because your argument is thinner than Kate Moss.

1 set of insults because you keep going off topic by bringing different markets into the subject to try to defend your actions. Cry me a river, you've thrown plenty through this topic

my god your stupidity on times is infuriating

Is it? Thats lovely. You seem intent on believing what you want is the thing that is right for the market when it ain't. Just because you want it, it doesn't mean its the right thing. I want all games to be free, does that make it right? No. Would that be wonderful for the consumer? Hell yes as we'd all get free games but its not realistic from a business point of view and neither is the used games market for the business market and as someone who will one day work in that market I see that point of view and agree with it.

I cant wait until the Steam model comes to console and it will and Microsoft will benefit massively from it.

Again based on Mystic Meg predictions! Microsoft will give you great value for money? that'll be a first! If Steambox were to come out & offer what they do on the PC then great, it's logical to purchase that console, as i would be saving money. PS4 will be offering 3 free digital games every month which i'd be happy with, so far i have acquired well over £600 worth of content from a 1 off £39.99 subscription fee with Sony, With Microsoft i had 2 free AAA games which 1. I already owned 2. would have saved me a staggering £6 if i'd never played them before. Funny that, they release 2 games as free content, knowing that 90% of consumers would either own a copy or at least of played it at some point. As long as Microsoft do not monopolize the market we, the consumer will benefit better value for our money.