Players started arriving once Sam cam back

I still await some serious answers, I knew it would baffle a few so here it is again.

What is sam hammams role?
What did get get out of wiping out 30+ million of debt?

As we stand nobody can tell me only president ( which nobody knows what that involves) face it he's pulling some strings nobody on here can say they would give away masses of millions for a say in nothing.

Jinks you said you don't care what his role is so what you doing here then claiming he has no role in another thread as he's tea boy now you don't care you say because I've opened your eyes to the bigger picture

Jinks you said you don't care what his role is so what you doing here then claiming he has no role in another thread as he's tea boy now you don't care you say because I've opened your eyes to the bigger picture

No i dont care what sams role in the club is but can you say 100% Sam was behind the signings?
Are you saying that these signings would not have been made if Sam wasn't here?

I think your making a fool out of yourself to be honest.. Not just me who thinks it either
Nevermind im sure you will get a Well Done sticker of your master

I still await some serious answers, I knew it would baffle a few so here it is again.

What is sam hammams role?
What did get get out of wiping out 30+ million of debt?

As we stand nobody can tell me only president ( which nobody knows what that involves) face it he's pulling some strings nobody on here can say they would give away masses of millions for a say in nothing.

The question should be, who is pulling your strings I thought we were told it wasn't sams money it was langston's

Love the fishing pic kev bit I plea to all of you who like to insult answer me this I will reply if its a decent post untill then keep the blinkerds on.........What do you think sams role is and what does he get out of wiping out all the debt???

I await serious answers but I doubt I will get any as all I've had is teaboy and other jokes when anyone with a brain would want something for wiping out that much money.

Perhaps the money had a lot to do with sam's decision

All we know about his role is what we've been told and that is he has an Honorary position. I can't for the life of me see Malky letting someone like Sam get involved in his transfers. Sam is known to be an eccentric, the title Life President probably appealed to his ego.

Even if he has been given a bigger role at the club that still doesn't make much sense, would you wipe out £30m of debt as you put it just have a say in a couple transfers at the club. There probably was something else to the debt and the settlement that we don't know about but I don't think Sam has been given any sort of actual responibilties at the club.

Best post so far somebody who can see both sides of it.

I do find it strange having Sam back. I've had the impression there was no love lost between the Malaysians and him.

I don't think Tan would have had Sam back unless he could get some use out of him. I can see Sam being used as some sort of consultant here. In fact Sams experience fits in nicely here. He took a team smaller than Swansea to the top and kept them there for quite a while. Perhaps its not so strange having Sam back then.

Ffs 1977
Where do you get £30 +million from
The most owed to langstone was £24 million +
Think its common knowledge sam settled at £15
If your going to state figures/facts at least get them right
I know you like fishing (should of seen the size of the one that got away) but he never wrote off any where near £30 + million

Same old jinks avoiding answering. You can not say 100percent he DID NOT have anything to do with signings so again ......what's his role???? What did get get for wiping out all the debt? ?


Lots of mocking going on yet NOT ONE answer just joke replys that he got nothing or side tracking to avoid what I've asked. Take the blindfolds off people or better still go stick money in something and get nothing back seems your such good people.

Ffs 1977
Where do you get £30 +million from
The most owed to langstone was £24 million +
Think its common knowledge sam settled at £15
If your going to state figures/facts at least get them right
I know you like fishing (should of seen the size of the one that got away) but he never wrote off any where near £30 + million

24 million was a fact because you said so then steve so I must be wrong then , steve what role do you think he got then and what did he get for wiping off debt?

Same old jinks avoiding answering. You can not say 100percent he DID NOT have anything to do with signings so again ......what's his role???? What did get get for wiping out all the debt? ?


Lots of mocking going on yet NOT ONE answer just joke replys that he got nothing or side tracking to avoid what I've asked. Take the blindfolds off people or better still go stick money in something and get nothing back seems your such good people.

OK you have passed your test, i'm sure they will let you join now

All we know about his role is what we've been told and that is he has an Honorary position. I can't for the life of me see Malky letting someone like Sam get involved in his transfers. Sam is known to be an eccentric, the title Life President probably appealed to his ego.

Even if he has been given a bigger role at the club that still doesn't make much sense, would you wipe out £30m of debt as you put it just have a say in a couple transfers at the club. There probably was something else to the debt and the settlement that we don't know about but I don't think Sam has been given any sort of actual responibilties at the club.

Best post so far somebody who can see both sides of it.

I do find it strange having Sam back. I've had the impression there was no love lost between the Malaysians and him.

I don't think Tan would have had Sam back unless he could get some use out of him. I can see Sam being used as some sort of consultant here. In fact Sams experience fits in nicely here. He took a team smaller than Swansea to the top and kept them there for quite a while. Perhaps its not so strange having Sam back then.

Jesus another one who can see past the ( tea boy only ) theory

Same old jinks avoiding answering. You can not say 100percent he DID NOT have anything to do with signings so again ......what's his role???? What did get get for wiping out all the debt? ?


Lots of mocking going on yet NOT ONE answer just joke replys that he got nothing or side tracking to avoid what I've asked. Take the blindfolds off people or better still go stick money in something and get nothing back seems your such good people.

OK you have passed your test, i'm sure they will let you join now

I'm already in and past many tests in my time, still struggling for answers I see

Same old jinks avoiding answering. You can not say 100percent he DID NOT have anything to do with signings so again ......what's his role???? What did get get for wiping out all the debt? ?


Lots of mocking going on yet NOT ONE answer just joke replys that he got nothing or side tracking to avoid what I've asked. Take the blindfolds off people or better still go stick money in something and get nothing back seems your such good people.

Can you say 100% Sam was behind the signings?
Are you saying that these signings would not have been made if Sam wasn't here?

Annis posted that your thread was deleted because of daya and if you wanted you could post it again and you did

Same old jinks avoiding answering. You can not say 100percent he DID NOT have anything to do with signings so again ......what's his role???? What did get get for wiping out all the debt? ?


Lots of mocking going on yet NOT ONE answer just joke replys that he got nothing or side tracking to avoid what I've asked. Take the blindfolds off people or better still go stick money in something and get nothing back seems your such good people.

OK you have passed your test, i'm sure they will let you join now

I'm already in and past many tests in my time, still struggling for answers I see

I have give you my answer in an earlier post, it's Bollocks how many times do you want me to say it

I do find it strange having Sam back. I've had the impression there was no love lost between the Malaysians and him.

I don't think Tan would have had Sam back unless he could get some use out of him. I can see Sam being used as some sort of consultant here. In fact Sams experience fits in nicely here. He took a team smaller than Swansea to the top and kept them there for quite a while. Perhaps its not so strange having Sam back then.

Tan respects Sam's views on football and I hope Tan uses Sam in the right way and that is to try and repair the split in the fan base come match days. Bluebirds Unite can do their thing, they have their beliefs and their right to stand up for them. Those who don't want Bluebirds Unite doing their thing or those happy to just get on with things have equal right to do what they want to do but I would like it if on match day Sam takes his role up in the fullest and gets the crowd going absolutely mental like he did at the Leeds United game. If only for 90 minutes of play he gets the fans united as one and turns the CCS into a fortress as many pundits predict it will be then it will be something.

Some wont ever forgive Sam and thats their decision and theirs only. Some will see that the future of Cardiff City is what it is and we either try and unite and become a force together for the greater good of everyone or we continue on our fractured paths trying to score petty points.

Theres no doubting Tan has the business acumen but his knowledge on football is somewhat embarrassing and I do believe he sanctioned the move for Velikonja, not Malky, hence Malky's unwillingness to play him often. The media and so on will put it down to a failing by Malky but I honestly believe he weren't Malky's signing. How can a manager who has a desire to sign players of a certain mould sign such a lethargic Berbatov-esque player who floats around and is more of a poacher than a workaholic? It doesn't fit the MO at all.

Sam got the business side wrong at times, we all make mistakes, his was a big one and some will never forget that but some of us appreciated his football knowledge at times and his passion. He was passionate. A bloke doesn't walk around the pitch and get involved with the fans if they're not passionate, they stay back, stay strict and play their cards without giving a shit if thats the way they are just as Hicks and Gillett did at Liverpool.

If Sam was truly intent on ripping us off and leaving us in the shitter then why did he integrate with the fans so soon and get involved? Seems a very silly move to me leaving yourself open and known. Sam ain't stupid. He got involved, got deeper than he thought it would go and made a mistake and couldn't dig his way out of it.

The fact is, Sam is more a football man and one of us than he is a business man and one of Tan's brigade. Hes now in the perfect role to assist but not have the final say on signing things off. We as fans get things wrong and Sam is the same, only human and thats why he made a mistake, like we all do.

Sam says so and so looks good, I got contacts here and can get this sorted. Tan says how much and then gets Malky involved and asks if Malky likes the look of this player and if he will benefit the team. Malky says either yes or no. If yes then Sam goes ahead and makes the call and starts pulling some strings on the deal and Tan gets the final say on the transfer amount thats fine by me as Sam is only there making suggestions as me, Annis, Chuckles or Carl could. Suggestions or recommendations never hurt anybody.

I think what we have now is the ideal situation and some will still disagree.

Tan - business man who knows very little about football culture on these shores - sorts the money out - has the final say and gets the deals done.

Sam - more of a football man with a background in business and knows football culture in this country with no problem at all and religious in fact to the degree he wanted to turn us into a Celtic type team who were feared - gives suggestions using his football knowledge and contacts - doesn't have the final say.

Malky - manager who knows what he wants and a team he knows he can build given the right resources - he now has the right recruitment staff, Sam as a point of contact for suggestions and someone who opens up new avenues in the football world for dealings and Tan pulling the strings financially.

As long as that's the way it stays then the club is in the ideal position and that's fine and will be the best all around. Put it this way, I'd rather have Sam giving suggestions to Malky than Tan telling Malky who to buy. All 3 have strengths, all 3 have weaknesses and as long as they realise what they are and stick to using their strengths for the clubs greater good then we're on to a winner.

Maybe he's charming prospective players but i can't see that being a large factor.If Sam has a role in transfers it will involve dealing with players agents, liasing with people who narrowly fall the right side of a crook/legit spectrum. could he f*ck that up?

I do find it strange having Sam back. I've had the impression there was no love lost between the Malaysians and him.

I don't think Tan would have had Sam back unless he could get some use out of him. I can see Sam being used as some sort of consultant here. In fact Sams experience fits in nicely here. He took a team smaller than Swansea to the top and kept them there for quite a while. Perhaps its not so strange having Sam back then.

Tan respects Sam's views on football and I hope Tan uses Sam in the right way and that is to try and repair the split in the fan base come match days. Bluebirds Unite can do their thing, they have their beliefs and their right to stand up for them. Those who don't want Bluebirds Unite doing their thing or those happy to just get on with things have equal right to do what they want to do but I would like it if on match day Sam takes his role up in the fullest and gets the crowd going absolutely mental like he did at the Leeds United game. If only for 90 minutes of play he gets the fans united as one and turns the CCS into a fortress as many pundits predict it will be then it will be something.

Some wont ever forgive Sam and thats their decision and theirs only. Some will see that the future of Cardiff City is what it is and we either try and unite and become a force together for the greater good of everyone or we continue on our fractured paths trying to score petty points.

Theres no doubting Tan has the business acumen but his knowledge on football is somewhat embarrassing and I do believe he sanctioned the move for Velikonja, not Malky, hence Malky's unwillingness to play him often. The media and so on will put it down to a failing by Malky but I honestly believe he weren't Malky's signing. How can a manager who has a desire to sign players of a certain mould sign such a lethargic Berbatov-esque player who floats around and is more of a poacher than a workaholic? It doesn't fit the MO at all.

Sam got the business side wrong at times, we all make mistakes, his was a big one and some will never forget that but some of us appreciated his football knowledge at times and his passion. He was passionate. A bloke doesn't walk around the pitch and get involved with the fans if they're not passionate, they stay back, stay strict and play their cards without giving a shit if thats the way they are just as Hicks and Gillett did at Liverpool.

If Sam was truly intent on ripping us off and leaving us in the shitter then why did he integrate with the fans so soon and get involved? Seems a very silly move to me leaving yourself open and known. Sam ain't stupid. He got involved, got deeper than he thought it would go and made a mistake and couldn't dig his way out of it.

The fact is, Sam is more a football man and one of us than he is a business man and one of Tan's brigade. Hes now in the perfect role to assist but not have the final say on signing things off. We as fans get things wrong and Sam is the same, only human and thats why he made a mistake, like we all do.

Sam says so and so looks good, I got contacts here and can get this sorted. Tan says how much and then gets Malky involved and asks if Malky likes the look of this player and if he will benefit the team. Malky says either yes or no. If yes then Sam goes ahead and makes the call and starts pulling some strings on the deal and Tan gets the final say on the transfer amount thats fine by me as Sam is only there making suggestions as me, Annis, Chuckles or Carl could. Suggestions or recommendations never hurt anybody.

I think what we have now is the ideal situation and some will still disagree.

Tan - business man who knows very little about football culture on these shores - sorts the money out - has the final say and gets the deals done.

Sam - more of a football man with a background in business and knows football culture in this country with no problem at all and religious in fact to the degree he wanted to turn us into a Celtic type team who were feared - gives suggestions using his football knowledge and contacts - doesn't have the final say.

Malky - manager who knows what he wants and a team he knows he can build given the right resources - he now has the right recruitment staff, Sam as a point of contact for suggestions and someone who opens up new avenues in the football world for dealings and Tan pulling the strings financially.

As long as that's the way it stays then the club is in the ideal position and that's fine and will be the best all around. Put it this way, I'd rather have Sam giving suggestions to Malky than Tan telling Malky who to buy. All 3 have strengths, all 3 have weaknesses and as long as they realise what they are and stick to using their strengths for the clubs greater good then we're on to a winner.

Very good JB.

A bit like the Bermuda triangle hey. Hopefully it will turn out to be more like the Holy Trinity.

Same old jinks avoiding answering. You can not say 100percent he DID NOT have anything to do with signings so again ......what's his role???? What did get get for wiping out all the debt? ?


Lots of mocking going on yet NOT ONE answer just joke replys that he got nothing or side tracking to avoid what I've asked. Take the blindfolds off people or better still go stick money in something and get nothing back seems your such good people.

OK you have passed your test, i'm sure they will let you join now

I'm already in and past many tests in my time, still struggling for answers I see

I have give you my answer in an earlier post, it's Bollocks how many times do you want me to say it

What's bollocks so are u saying sams not got a role and he got nothing for his money then, or will you answer what his role is and what did het get for wiping the debt off, guess not, saying its all bollocks covers up answering what I've asked you

I still await some serious answers, I knew it would baffle a few so here it is again.

What is sam hammams role?
What did get get out of wiping out 30+ million of debt?

As we stand nobody can tell me only president ( which nobody knows what that involves) face it he's pulling some strings nobody on here can say they would give away masses of millions for a say in nothing.

His role is as a nobody. same as when Ridsdale gave him the same title. Who on earth would
listen to him at the Club? Nobody thats who. It would be more embarrassing for him than anyone
else watching people hurriedly grabbing their loose change off their desks and counting their
fingers after he'd gone.

the alleged £30m debt?

Simple. His supporters believe he was not Langston and everything pertaining to the loan notes was
above board and legal. Because he told them that.

But a High Court Judge, experienced, qualified and most importantly unbiased after reading all
the documentation, invoices, memos, bank statements, faxes etc etc - believed Sam Hammam was in
it up to his neck and that it would very likely be proven if it ever went to a full Court Hearing. Serious
shit for Sam. Thats why i think a compromise was reached. Tan wanted the issue put to bed so he could
move forward. Sam wanted the issue put to bed because the idea of a sharing a cell with Big Bubba was
not on his bucket list. So they met halfway. Thats business. But seriously, have a think. If everything Sam
said was true and he was just an intermediary. Why on earth did those investors let him turn his back on
around £17m? hmmmm

I do find it strange having Sam back. I've had the impression there was no love lost between the Malaysians and him.

I don't think Tan would have had Sam back unless he could get some use out of him. I can see Sam being used as some sort of consultant here. In fact Sams experience fits in nicely here. He took a team smaller than Swansea to the top and kept them there for quite a while. Perhaps its not so strange having Sam back then.

Tan respects Sam's views on football and I hope Tan uses Sam in the right way and that is to try and repair the split in the fan base come match days. Bluebirds Unite can do their thing, they have their beliefs and their right to stand up for them. Those who don't want Bluebirds Unite doing their thing or those happy to just get on with things have equal right to do what they want to do but I would like it if on match day Sam takes his role up in the fullest and gets the crowd going absolutely mental like he did at the Leeds United game. If only for 90 minutes of play he gets the fans united as one and turns the CCS into a fortress as many pundits predict it will be then it will be something.

Some wont ever forgive Sam and thats their decision and theirs only. Some will see that the future of Cardiff City is what it is and we either try and unite and become a force together for the greater good of everyone or we continue on our fractured paths trying to score petty points.

Theres no doubting Tan has the business acumen but his knowledge on football is somewhat embarrassing and I do believe he sanctioned the move for Velikonja, not Malky, hence Malky's unwillingness to play him often. The media and so on will put it down to a failing by Malky but I honestly believe he weren't Malky's signing. How can a manager who has a desire to sign players of a certain mould sign such a lethargic Berbatov-esque player who floats around and is more of a poacher than a workaholic? It doesn't fit the MO at all.

Sam got the business side wrong at times, we all make mistakes, his was a big one and some will never forget that but some of us appreciated his football knowledge at times and his passion. He was passionate. A bloke doesn't walk around the pitch and get involved with the fans if they're not passionate, they stay back, stay strict and play their cards without giving a shit if thats the way they are just as Hicks and Gillett did at Liverpool.

If Sam was truly intent on ripping us off and leaving us in the shitter then why did he integrate with the fans so soon and get involved? Seems a very silly move to me leaving yourself open and known. Sam ain't stupid. He got involved, got deeper than he thought it would go and made a mistake and couldn't dig his way out of it.

The fact is, Sam is more a football man and one of us than he is a business man and one of Tan's brigade. Hes now in the perfect role to assist but not have the final say on signing things off. We as fans get things wrong and Sam is the same, only human and thats why he made a mistake, like we all do.

Sam says so and so looks good, I got contacts here and can get this sorted. Tan says how much and then gets Malky involved and asks if Malky likes the look of this player and if he will benefit the team. Malky says either yes or no. If yes then Sam goes ahead and makes the call and starts pulling some strings on the deal and Tan gets the final say on the transfer amount thats fine by me as Sam is only there making suggestions as me, Annis, Chuckles or Carl could. Suggestions or recommendations never hurt anybody.

I think what we have now is the ideal situation and some will still disagree.

Tan - business man who knows very little about football culture on these shores - sorts the money out - has the final say and gets the deals done.

Sam - more of a football man with a background in business and knows football culture in this country with no problem at all and religious in fact to the degree he wanted to turn us into a Celtic type team who were feared - gives suggestions using his football knowledge and contacts - doesn't have the final say.

Malky - manager who knows what he wants and a team he knows he can build given the right resources - he now has the right recruitment staff, Sam as a point of contact for suggestions and someone who opens up new avenues in the football world for dealings and Tan pulling the strings financially.

As long as that's the way it stays then the club is in the ideal position and that's fine and will be the best all around. Put it this way, I'd rather have Sam giving suggestions to Malky than Tan telling Malky who to buy. All 3 have strengths, all 3 have weaknesses and as long as they realise what they are and stick to using their strengths for the clubs greater good then we're on to a winner.

Its politics. Tan respects Sam? In a month or two we will all have forgotten about Sam because that
was the deal. Leave quietly through the back door with a huge medal for services rendered. But
make sure you shut the door on the way out. That was the concession to Sams pride. He's been seen
off.

cant for the life of me understand why this topic as started back up again,oh wait more bites extra hits extra money hmmmmm no wonder people are getting a little pissed off with this forum,just my opinion as a football fan

Same old jinks avoiding answering. You can not say 100percent he DID NOT have anything to do with signings so again ......what's his role???? What did get get for wiping out all the debt? ?


Lots of mocking going on yet NOT ONE answer just joke replys that he got nothing or side tracking to avoid what I've asked. Take the blindfolds off people or better still go stick money in something and get nothing back seems your such good people.

Can you say 100% Sam was behind the signings?
Are you saying that these signings would not have been made if Sam wasn't here?

Annis posted that your thread was deleted because of daya and if you wanted you could post it again and you did

Ok I'm asnwering you once more but please reply to what I'm asking YOU.
Can you say that your 100 percent sure he had nothing to do with helping MM get players in, I mean the last two signings was much better than a league of wales striker and a brentford GK was they not much better name players jinks. I didn't see players like this in the bigger name que before sam come.

On your second part of your post annis did say in another thread that daya had ruined the thread and I should post it again yet I replyed with a NO. So you will have to ask annis why he put a quote up and started this thread.


Again jinks.

What is sams role at the club?
What did he get in return for wiping out all the debt? other than this supposed (life president role) nobody knows what that is mind.

I won't ask again as its taken five replys now yet answering all you have asked me but you can not reply in the same manner to questions only avoid them

annis asked so I did.says it all

annis asked so I did.says it all

Who said annis asked and i said i did??? wheres this info from, annis asked in another thread which daya started yet i said no as the older topic was deleted as daya runined it i was told in the thread, so should start another on this TOPIC i said "NOPE its ok let people beleiev what they like"..... yet this thread appears and you scroll down read nothing in the thread bar what jinks just made up so make something up, typical forum poster

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all rather pathetic really

Same old jinks avoiding answering. You can not say 100percent he DID NOT have anything to do with signings so again ......what's his role???? What did get get for wiping out all the debt? ?


Lots of mocking going on yet NOT ONE answer just joke replys that he got nothing or side tracking to avoid what I've asked. Take the blindfolds off people or better still go stick money in something and get nothing back seems your such good people.

OK you have passed your test, i'm sure they will let you join now

I'm already in and past many tests in my time, still struggling for answers I see

I have give you my answer in an earlier post, it's Bollocks how many times do you want me to say it

What's bollocks so are u saying sams not got a role and he got nothing for his money then, or will you answer what his role is and what did het get for wiping the debt off, guess not, saying its all bollocks covers up answering what I've asked you

Yes they did give him a role at the club, life some thing or other, but you say all the new signings are down to him, so that is Ballocks imo. Now i'm bored playing your silly game

all rather pathetic really

Yet another poster with great thread input

Same old jinks avoiding answering. You can not say 100percent he DID NOT have anything to do with signings so again ......what's his role???? What did get get for wiping out all the debt? ?


Lots of mocking going on yet NOT ONE answer just joke replys that he got nothing or side tracking to avoid what I've asked. Take the blindfolds off people or better still go stick money in something and get nothing back seems your such good people.

OK you have passed your test, i'm sure they will let you join now

I'm already in and past many tests in my time, still struggling for answers I see

I have give you my answer in an earlier post, it's Bollocks how many times do you want me to say it

What's bollocks so are u saying sams not got a role and he got nothing for his money then, or will you answer what his role is and what did het get for wiping the debt off, guess not, saying its all bollocks covers up answering what I've asked you

Yes they did give him a role at the club, life some thing or other, but you say all the new signings are down to him, so that is Ballocks imo. Now i'm bored playing your silly game

So he got a something role but its all bollocks oh well cheers for the answers on what sam wipped the debt off for, atleast you answered me look past the trees comes to mind if thats your answers to both questions

The truth will always be hidden once its seen, no idea if daya ruined the thread late last night as I went to bed not long after he turned up on his happy days name, sams pulling some strings let's face it

You have been on this site for years and as far I am aware have always talked sense where is all this nonsense coming from all of a sudden ?

The truth will always be hidden once its seen, no idea if daya ruined the thread late last night as I went to bed not long after he turned up on his happy days name, sams pulling some strings let's face it

You have been on this site for years and as far I am aware have always talked sense where is all this nonsense coming from all of a sudden ?

Ok sams pulling no strings at all he sits about in his new life president title chair waiting for matchdays living in hope he gets a few tickets for wiping off all the debt, hows that then better or is that nonsence and makes sence as anything other than "Hes life president he gets nothing and does nothing at the club" would be wrong

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