VINCENT TAN CARDIFF`S GREATEST EVER OWNER

On this site, we see a lot of vehement opposition to the rebrand and equally a lot of vitriol aimed at Vincent Tan because of it, but is he really the sole person responsible for the rebrand? Did any white Europeans for instance nod it through ?

Can someone remind the forum: What opposition was made at board and shareholder level with regards to the rebrand? Who on the board or among the shareholders opposed it and what lengths did they go to prevent it?

On this site, we see a lot of vehement opposition to the rebrand and equally a lot of vitriol aimed at Vincent Tan because of it, but is he really the sole person responsible for the rebrand? Did any white Europeans for instance nod it through ?

Can someone remind the forum: What opposition was made at board and shareholder level with regards to the rebrand? Who on the board or among the shareholders opposed it and what lengths did they go to prevent it?

What on earth are you on about 'white Europeans' for?

If you are trying to insinuate that some of the opposition to Tan (and very few who rightly oppose the rebrand oppose him by the way) is in any way connected to his racial background, then I would like to heap massive shame on you, because you are taking the debate to a new low?

Is that what you are insinuating? BEcause, that's how it reads. If you are accusing people who oppose the rebrand of racism, then come out and say it, or, perhaps, edit your post.

On this site, we see a lot of vehement opposition to the rebrand and equally a lot of vitriol aimed at Vincent Tan because of it, but is he really the sole person responsible for the rebrand? Did any white Europeans for instance nod it through ?

Can someone remind the forum: What opposition was made at board and shareholder level with regards to the rebrand? Who on the board or among the shareholders opposed it and what lengths did they go to prevent it?

What on earth are you on about 'white Europeans' for?

If you are trying to insinuate that some of the opposition to Tan (and very few who rightly oppose the rebrand oppose him by the way) is in any way connected to his racial background, then I would like to heap massive shame on you, because you are taking the debate to a new low?

Is that what you are insinuating? BEcause, that's how it reads. If you are accusing people who oppose the rebrand of racism, then come out and say it, or, perhaps, edit your post.

For the record, I despise racism. I protested against the EDL in Cardiff. The crux of racism though is to take one trait (a belief, a skin colour, and make assumptions on that. You seem to be doing just that with pro blues.

Clarify what you mean please.

Tan def could of been our greatest ever Chairman once of course he makes us debt Free and when he leaves us in good hands, But by stripping us of our identity, he has ruined it all as far as I am concerned.

Our fans are so divided, this to me is very sad.

On this site, we see a lot of vehement opposition to the rebrand and equally a lot of vitriol aimed at Vincent Tan because of it, but is he really the sole person responsible for the rebrand? Did any white Europeans for instance nod it through ?

Can someone remind the forum: What opposition was made at board and shareholder level with regards to the rebrand? Who on the board or among the shareholders opposed it and what lengths did they go to prevent it?

Are you real....do you understand life?

Tan def could of been our greatest ever Chairman once of course he makes us debt Free and when he leaves us in good hands, But by stripping us of our identity, he has ruined it all as far as I am concerned.

Our fans are so divided, this to me is very sad.

Exactly Annis.

I feel we are totally divided, which is such a shame.

I have no problem with those who accept the rebrand, or tolerate it, or wear red, whatever.

I do though have a problem with people who go out of their way to slag off pro-blues, or to mock our history or be embarrased by it or down play it.

It's OUR history. You could be a humble family, but you respect and honour your family history, and the same goes with football clubs.

Our history aint the greatest, but it shouldn't be mocked. Tolerating the rebrand is one thing, slagging off pro-blues is quite another.

The only division is on the messageboards.

The only division is on the messageboards.

Wrong

The only division is on the messageboards.

Wrong

At every game last season the rebrand wasnt mentioned once. Everyone was supporting the team.

The only division is on the messageboards.

Wrong

At every game last season the rebrand wasnt mentioned once. Everyone was supporting the team.

Went to the game yesterday, and if it wasn't for the internet, you really wouldn't be aware of any problems, great day lot's of blue, lot's of red, lot's of families which can only be good, great crowd of fun loving Spaniards that really added to the day.

The only division is on the messageboards.

Wrong

At every game last season the rebrand wasnt mentioned once. Everyone was supporting the team.

Until Tan walked onto the pitch.

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Pretty good mix of colours there and all happy and supporting the same team.

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Pretty good mix of colours there and all happy and supporting the same team.

Reds and empty seats.

And if you think differently you need help .... the man as come in and put his money where his mouth is and he`ll end up turning us into a top 10 club, if not higher .... when it comes to success the man is streets ahead of every one of us season ticket holders and supporters .... lets get real and cherish every minute of this season and the seasons ahead .... VINCENT TAN THANKS FOR COMING TO OUR GREAT CLUB AND MAKING US EVEN GREATER

that is a little bit self indulgent dont you think..

And if you think differently you need help .... the man as come in and put his money where his mouth is and he`ll end up turning us into a top 10 club, if not higher .... when it comes to success the man is streets ahead of every one of us season ticket holders and supporters .... lets get real and cherish every minute of this season and the seasons ahead .... VINCENT TAN THANKS FOR COMING TO OUR GREAT CLUB AND MAKING US EVEN GREATER

that is a little bit self indulgent dont you think..

and i guess i need help

The only division is on the messageboards.

Wrong

At every game last season the rebrand wasnt mentioned once. Everyone was supporting the team.

Went to the game yesterday, and if it wasn't for the internet, you really wouldn't be aware of any problems, great day lot's of blue, lot's of red, lot's of families which can only be good, great crowd of fun loving Spaniards that really added to the day.

I agree the chant we'll always be blue also died out & was only attempted once thankfully

The only division is on the messageboards.

Wrong

At every game last season the rebrand wasnt mentioned once. Everyone was supporting the team.

Went to the game yesterday, and if it wasn't for the internet, you really wouldn't be aware of any problems, great day lot's of blue, lot's of red, lot's of families which can only be good, great crowd of fun loving Spaniards that really added to the day.

So did I and its fans like you are helping the blue die out

The only division is on the messageboards.

Wrong

At every game last season the rebrand wasnt mentioned once. Everyone was supporting the team.

Went to the game yesterday, and if it wasn't for the internet, you really wouldn't be aware of any problems, great day lot's of blue, lot's of red, lot's of families which can only be good, great crowd of fun loving Spaniards that really added to the day.

So did I and its fans like you are helping the blue die out

Rather than the club die out.

And if you think differently you need help .... the man as come in and put his money where his mouth is and he`ll end up turning us into a top 10 club, if not higher .... when it comes to success the man is streets ahead of every one of us season ticket holders and supporters .... lets get real and cherish every minute of this season and the seasons ahead .... VINCENT TAN THANKS FOR COMING TO OUR GREAT CLUB AND MAKING US EVEN GREATER

Excellent post AHERNE. Totally agree with you.

As per usual all the same Jacks and BU hard core leave their anti Tan comments. After all The Jacks and BU hard core want the same thing, they both want Tan Out.

The only division is on the messageboards.

Wrong

At every game last season the rebrand wasnt mentioned once. Everyone was supporting the team.

Went to the game yesterday, and if it wasn't for the internet, you really wouldn't be aware of any problems, great day lot's of blue, lot's of red, lot's of families which can only be good, great crowd of fun loving Spaniards that really added to the day.

So did I and its fans like you are helping the blue die out

Its fans like you helping BU die out with your attitude towards non BU members.

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The bottomline was that every person in the boardroom got the re-brand through to help stuff their own pockets even further!!!

I just thought he was loaning the money, just like any other owner.

If he converts the debt into shares, maybe. Until then, he's done no different than any of our previous owners.. Infact, running up even more debt.

Fair play chuckle's at least you can see whats happening, because some cardiff fans cant see the woods for the trees

If you believe the Cucklefucker you want your bumps felt.

Nothing I've said is untrue, is it?

The only division is on the messageboards.

Wrong

At every game last season the rebrand wasnt mentioned once. Everyone was supporting the team.

Went to the game yesterday, and if it wasn't for the internet, you really wouldn't be aware of any problems, great day lot's of blue, lot's of red, lot's of families which can only be good, great crowd of fun loving Spaniards that really added to the day.

So did I and its fans like you are helping the blue die out

Rather than the club die out.

You could have helped the club change without fundementally eradicating it's identity though Gwyn. I said before, you'll regret it some day.

You should have stressed a willingness to work with Tan to address fans concerns. Instead we've ended up with a divided fanbase and some feeling their club has been taken from them.

All harmonious yesterday, cos it was a pre-season game.

You claim to be pro blue but do NOTHING about it at all.

We said all this about Sam, ok he didnt bring us to the promised land but we glorified in his name and proclaimed him our "Messiah" and look where that got us. Bring back Clemo and our 10 seater plane

At every game last season the rebrand wasnt mentioned once. Everyone was supporting the team.[/quote]

Went to the game yesterday, and if it wasn't for the internet, you really wouldn't be aware of any problems, great day lot's of blue, lot's of red, lot's of families which can only be good, great crowd of fun loving Spaniards that really added to the day. [/quote]
So did I and its fans like you are helping the blue die out [/quote]

Rather than the club die out. [/quote]

You could have helped the club change without fundementally eradicating it's identity though Gwyn. I said before, you'll regret it some day.

You should have stressed a willingness to work with Tan to address fans concerns. Instead we've ended up with a divided fanbase and some feeling their club has been taken from them.

All harmonious yesterday, cos it was a pre-season game.

You claim to be pro blue but do NOTHING about it at all.[/quote]


And how do you know I have done nothing about it, is it because you haven't read about it on the internet, it may suprise you, there's a real world out there, where people talk, discuss and try t make progress without bragging about it on "tinternet".

Do you think your efforts have brought a change back to blue any closer? do you honestly believe you have helped and do you believe protest is the way to get VT to change his position.

My conscience is clear because rightly or wrongly I have always put what I believed was best for the club I love ahead of what suits my personal preference, we are in the best strongest safest position on and off the field I can remember in all of the forty seven yaers that I have watched the club.

At every game last season the rebrand wasnt mentioned once. Everyone was supporting the team.

Went to the game yesterday, and if it wasn't for the internet, you really wouldn't be aware of any problems, great day lot's of blue, lot's of red, lot's of families which can only be good, great crowd of fun loving Spaniards that really added to the day. [/quote]
So did I and its fans like you are helping the blue die out [/quote]

Rather than the club die out. [/quote]

You could have helped the club change without fundementally eradicating it's identity though Gwyn. I said before, you'll regret it some day.

You should have stressed a willingness to work with Tan to address fans concerns. Instead we've ended up with a divided fanbase and some feeling their club has been taken from them.

All harmonious yesterday, cos it was a pre-season game.

You claim to be pro blue but do NOTHING about it at all.[/quote]


And how do you know I have done nothing about it, is it because you haven't read about it on the internet, it may suprise you, there's a real world out there, where people talk, discuss and try t make progress without bragging about it on "tinternet".

Do you think your efforts have brought a change back to blue any closer? do you honestly believe you have helped and do you believe protest is the way to get VT to change his position.

My conscience is clear because rightly or wrongly I have always put what I believed was best for the club I love ahead of what suits my personal preference, we are in the best strongest safest position on and off the field I can remember in all of the forty seven yaers that I have watched the club. [/quote]

You constantly seem to mock and wind up pro-blues Gwyn. Totally unacceptable for me. I appreciate your level headedness, but I've read not a single thing of yours where you express sympathy, solidarity or any desire to see our club return to blue, something which going forward is in our, the club, and Tan's benefit.

Tan def could of been our greatest ever Chairman once of course he makes us debt Free and when he leaves us in good hands, But by stripping us of our identity, he has ruined it all as far as I am concerned.

Our fans are so divided, this to me is very sad.

exactly

tbh I am sick of ALL these "business-men"-type football chairmen...its time to overhaul the system, football became just the money spinning tool of selfish men making money...

At every game last season the rebrand wasnt mentioned once. Everyone was supporting the team.

Went to the game yesterday, and if it wasn't for the internet, you really wouldn't be aware of any problems, great day lot's of blue, lot's of red, lot's of families which can only be good, great crowd of fun loving Spaniards that really added to the day.

So did I and its fans like you are helping the blue die out [/quote]

Rather than the club die out. [/quote]

You could have helped the club change without fundementally eradicating it's identity though Gwyn. I said before, you'll regret it some day.

You should have stressed a willingness to work with Tan to address fans concerns. Instead we've ended up with a divided fanbase and some feeling their club has been taken from them.

All harmonious yesterday, cos it was a pre-season game.

You claim to be pro blue but do NOTHING about it at all.[/quote]


And how do you know I have done nothing about it, is it because you haven't read about it on the internet, it may suprise you, there's a real world out there, where people talk, discuss and try t make progress without bragging about it on "tinternet".

Do you think your efforts have brought a change back to blue any closer? do you honestly believe you have helped and do you believe protest is the way to get VT to change his position.

My conscience is clear because rightly or wrongly I have always put what I believed was best for the club I love ahead of what suits my personal preference, we are in the best strongest safest position on and off the field I can remember in all of the forty seven yaers that I have watched the club. [/quote]

You constantly seem to mock and wind up pro-blues Gwyn. Totally unacceptable for me. I appreciate your level headedness, but I've read not a single thing of yours where you express sympathy, solidarity or any desire to see our club return to blue, something which going forward is in our, the club, and Tan's benefit.[/quote]


Which part is mocking ?, debating and putting my opinion against opposition views is not mocking, it's debate name calling and slagging off is the problem as I see it. I have always accepted that not everyone see's things the same way, but slating others off and calling them plastics and sell outs arse lickers and the likes is not something I have got involved with, I'd like to think I make good rational points to mull over and discuss.

Tan def could of been our greatest ever Chairman once of course he makes us debt Free and when he leaves us in good hands, But by stripping us of our identity, he has ruined it all as far as I am concerned.

Our fans are so divided, this to me is very sad.

exactly

tbh I am sick of ALL these "business-men"-type football chairmen...its time to overhaul the system, football became just the money spinning tool of selfish men making money...

I totally agree , keep the faith , wear the blue , be proud of our history and we will get our rightfull colours and badge back one day !

At every game last season the rebrand wasnt mentioned once. Everyone was supporting the team.

Went to the game yesterday, and if it wasn't for the internet, you really wouldn't be aware of any problems, great day lot's of blue, lot's of red, lot's of families which can only be good, great crowd of fun loving Spaniards that really added to the day.

So did I and its fans like you are helping the blue die out

Rather than the club die out. [/quote]

You could have helped the club change without fundementally eradicating it's identity though Gwyn. I said before, you'll regret it some day.

You should have stressed a willingness to work with Tan to address fans concerns. Instead we've ended up with a divided fanbase and some feeling their club has been taken from them.

All harmonious yesterday, cos it was a pre-season game.

You claim to be pro blue but do NOTHING about it at all.[/quote]


And how do you know I have done nothing about it, is it because you haven't read about it on the internet, it may suprise you, there's a real world out there, where people talk, discuss and try t make progress without bragging about it on "tinternet".

Do you think your efforts have brought a change back to blue any closer? do you honestly believe you have helped and do you believe protest is the way to get VT to change his position.

My conscience is clear because rightly or wrongly I have always put what I believed was best for the club I love ahead of what suits my personal preference, we are in the best strongest safest position on and off the field I can remember in all of the forty seven yaers that I have watched the club. [/quote]

You constantly seem to mock and wind up pro-blues Gwyn. Totally unacceptable for me. I appreciate your level headedness, but I've read not a single thing of yours where you express sympathy, solidarity or any desire to see our club return to blue, something which going forward is in our, the club, and Tan's benefit.[/quote]


Which part is mocking ?, debating and putting my opinion against opposition views is not mocking, it's debate name calling and slagging off is the problem as I see it. I have always accepted that not everyone see's things the same way, but slating others off and calling them plastics and sell outs arse lickers and the likes is not something I have got involved with, I'd like to think I make good rational points to mull over and discuss. [/quote]

Debate, mocking. Whatever tone you take, it's never a pro-blue one.