Genuine question for red "embracers"......

I have accepted it, I would never say I'm pro red I highly doubt many are, what helped me accept was all the insults being thrown about soul sellers,plastics, glory hunters etc to anyone who just wants to support their team, there isn't any need for it. I genuinely believe if Tan didn't invest we would be like Portsmouth or Coventry, how the hell anyone could want Cardiff to end up like that just to play in blue is beyond me.
I'd love to see them back to Blue but my main aim is to watch Cardiff City play no matter the colour.

Thanks for the reply.

No one wants us to be another Coventry of course. We all want the best for our club. Some fans just cannot accept the price we have had to pay, and I'm sure even the most pro re brander would understand the feelings of these fans.

Unfortunately the way things are going, a return to blue looks extremely unlikely. And the longer we play in red the harder it is going to be to ever go back.

Quote: "Some fans just cannot accept the price we have had to pay"

A good post from you, fella, but it is this bit above that I am responding to:

If I am being honest, I fail to see where some of these people are coming from when the simple choices were "club or no club"

It is always easy to moan from a position of strength and the time for the mass protest was during last season when the changes were announced but that (as is well documented) failed to materialise as it should have. Instead, the vast majority of fans sat back and watched it happen because (in reality but with some exceptions) we didn't want the alternative, i.e. a Tan pull-out

This was further exacerbated by the scarf fiasco and IMHO no matter how much we say Tan was 'out of order' for doing it, the scarfs on offer were gobbled up well before kick-off on the evening of the Brighton game with some greedy people taking far more than their fair share (which should have been one only per person)

From that moment on IMHO the red was here to stay and it is far too late now to start thinking otherwise

Time to put it behind us, be grateful we have a team at all (never mind a Premier League one ) to support and get on with the job of supporting Malky and the boys (as I know most will)

The phrase "time to put it behind us" sums up the reason for my original post. Are people really happy to go with this or are they just as angry about it as others deep down, but choose to suppress those feelings because they feel they have no choice? Or is it plain apathy?

No, mate. We all want the blue back but it simply isn't going to happen under Tan, so all I mean is we should get on with what we can affect, i.e. supporting Malky and the team. to me, that is far more important at the moment

But maybe one day in the future...

Genuine question, not a piss take. When you decided to accept the whole re-branding, how did it make you feel. Does acceptance make you feel better about the whole thing or is it still there in the back of the mind?

Over the last month or so I have done much soul searching about the whole thing and have been questioning my own feelings, whether I am being reasonable or not, does it really matter that much, should I just throw the towel in and go with the flow or should I continue to fight against it.

I want to know how other City fans genuinely feel about it deep down.

Cheers. Harold.

Decent question with no sniping so I'll answer with my honest feelings

When it first was announced I thought wow this will be different, but the first time it hit home was the home game seein our lads in red was weird, however I have had to deal with change a lot in my life and I am a true believer that in order to progress in life those that can get over it quicker are the ones that will prosper in the long run as change is a necessary thing, my leanings on change come from my university background but I believe the cycle can not only be adopted to work but also to life decisions as well it goes something like this

I believe it can be applie to the rebrand

At first when information of the rebrand broke a lot of fans were shocked and many believed the information was wrong and thy this wasn't going to happen which was my feelings at the time this is the beginning of the cycle

I then started to deny this was happening na it's not going to happen and a lot of this was down to the way it was managed by te club which then move the cycle onto anger and the fans hatred towards te regime and tan talking of withdrawing investment and shelving the rebrand

Many people also feel depressed after this stage I didn't really feel depressed but deflated at the prosper of seeing the bluebirds playing in red

At this point I was at the bottom of the cycle fter seeing the lads run out in red it couldn't get any worse for me at that poor

The only way to go for me from here was up and in order for me to improve my feelings towards the rebrand I had to accept it and me accepting was based on tans investment and his promises, he immediately invested £10m in playing squad for championship and I felt he was good for his word word and decided the only way for myself to continue enjoying the city was to accept we were now red and that the way it is so I did and I no longer worry about the colour I just happy that city exists and we are amongst the elite, this also related to my integration with the rebrand as I have now excepted it and watched the city for a year in the new colours I no longer think of city as blue we are now red in my eyes and the only time I think about it is when I log in here! By integrating with it I am firmly focused on the future and what comes
Next excites me more than squabbles amongst men on here

I have gone trough this cycle many times before and the easiest way to deal with it is to push through it as quickly as possible, it's interesting when applying this to this message board as I see people at various stages of this cycle some take longer than others to go through it and occasionally a few will never o trough the cycle fiully or claim they haven't buy I'm afraid if your watching city then you are going through the motions and one day blue wont even matter to you, you just haven't hit the acceptance stage yet the only real people who won't go through the cycle are those that never attended a game ever! fter the rebrand cos they no longer attend they are not associated with it anyone else who thinks they will not accept will one day it may take ten years or 10 months but it will come mark my words gentlemen, I am fully over it and intend on spending my time worrying about far more important things chow fellow city fans

Pro Blue V Pro Red.....

Wow another thread....

Didnt like it for a few weesk and would still prefer Blue but forgot about it after week three and cant be arsed to worry about it now---

a) We are in the Premier league best season ahead in my lifetime

b) There are more important things in life anyway .--Dont be a sad TLG type

An excellent post by smakerzthebluebird, which I haven't quoted as it's quite long, but I agree with the majority of what he is saying, particularly the "acceptance" angle.

I'm probably rowing in the same boat but here's my two penneth for what it's worth.

I've been supporting our club for 33 years. That doesn't make me more important than a fan who started to follow us half way through last season. You're either a fan or you're not, length of service is irrelevant.

But during those 33 years, whilst enjoying every minute, I've always been concerned about the stability of our club. It seemed to me that every 2-3 years we were close to going under and this was always my overiding fear.

Tan's initial £6m investment undoubtedly saved us from extinction, and I'm sorry, but anyone who says different is at best shielding their mind from the truth and at worst rewriting history for their own agenda.

The offer of further investment unfortunately came at a price that a small minority cannot accept, and that's the colour change. As I'm an exile 99% of my CCFC news comes from this board, and when I first read about the colour change I honestly thought it was a wind up by some poster.

On realisation that it was in fact true I then had to weigh up the options, which in reality there were only two. Either accept the £100m investment and all that it entailed in it's totality, or walk away from the club I cherish, in the forlorn hope that we might change back to blue in the near future which would enable me to get involved again.

I chose the first option, and even though it seemed really weird watching us play in red at home for the first time, I have now come to accept it as the norm. The reason for my acceptance is down to the fact that I'd rather us play in red than not play at all.

In my opinion you have to take the package in it's entirety, all or nothing, and to be fair to Tan he has over delivered on all his promises.

I genuinely feel for fans who cannot accept the change and have walked away. That is their choice and it's a shame to see but I understand their decision.

Where I do struggle is with fans who are happy to take Tan's money but show total disrespect to the man because they want us to play in our old colours.

It's a package, all or nothing, and in my opinion the good he has done far outweighs the bad by a country mile.

Genuine question, not a piss take. When you decided to accept the whole re-branding, how did it make you feel. Does acceptance make you feel better about the whole thing or is it still there in the back of the mind?

Over the last month or so I have done much soul searching about the whole thing and have been questioning my own feelings, whether I am being reasonable or not, does it really matter that much, should I just throw the towel in and go with the flow or should I continue to fight against it.

I want to know how other City fans genuinely feel about it deep down.

Cheers. Harold.

Accepting the rebrand was easy because as long as there's a cardiff city on that pitch for me to watch im happy. Yes i'd rather us in blue but i'm paying good money for me and my kids to go to games and i want to enjoy every minute of it regardless what league we are in..
If the time ever comes when i don't enjoy going instead of moaning and whinging about anything and everything i'll walk away..

Genuine question, not a piss take. When you decided to accept the whole re-branding, how did it make you feel. Does acceptance make you feel better about the whole thing or is it still there in the back of the mind?

Over the last month or so I have done much soul searching about the whole thing and have been questioning my own feelings, whether I am being reasonable or not, does it really matter that much, should I just throw the towel in and go with the flow or should I continue to fight against it.

I want to know how other City fans genuinely feel about it deep down.

Cheers. Harold.

Genuinely I hate it and wished we were blue, although I have put it to the back of my mind and just supported the boys.

We're Cardiff City Fc

Everyone who still goes to watch Cardiff City has accepted it.
Before i get abused for this please read on.
I am in no way saying that they are happy about this and not putting up a fight and even fighting against it.
More like the fact that they have accepted that Changes are a long way off.
There are 2 schools of thought at the moment.
1. Tan is a visionary and sees what no one else has seen before him and knows what it takes to cattapult Cardiff City into the big time on a Global Scale.
2. Tan is a selfish fucker who doesn't want to understand what ithe colour and crest means to so many people.

An excellent post by smakerzthebluebird, which I haven't quoted as it's quite long, but I agree with the majority of what he is saying, particularly the "acceptance" angle.

I'm probably rowing in the same boat but here's my two penneth for what it's worth.

I've been supporting our club for 33 years. That doesn't make me more important than a fan who started to follow us half way through last season. You're either a fan or you're not, length of service is irrelevant.

But during those 33 years, whilst enjoying every minute, I've always been concerned about the stability of our club. It seemed to me that every 2-3 years we were close to going under and this was always my overiding fear.

Tan's initial £6m investment undoubtedly saved us from extinction, and I'm sorry, but anyone who says different is at best shielding their mind from the truth and at worst rewriting history for their own agenda.

The offer of further investment unfortunately came at a price that a small minority cannot accept, and that's the colouchange. As I'm an exile 99% of my CCFC news comes from this board, and when I first read about the colour change I honestly












thought it was a wind up by some poster.

On realisation that it was in fact true I then had to weigh up the options, which in reality there were only two. Either accept the £100m investment and all that it entailed in it's totality, or walk away from the club I cherish, in the forlorn hope that we might change back to blue in the near future which would enable me to get involved again.

I chose the first option, and even though it seemed really weird watching us play in red at home for the first time, I have now come to accept it as the norm. The reason for my acceptance is down to the fact that I'd rather us play in red than not play at all.

In my opinion you have to take the package in it's entirety, all or nothing, and to be fair to Tan he has over delivered on all his promises.

I genuinely feel for fans who cannot accept the change and have walked away. That is their choice and it's a shame to see but I understand their decision.

Where I do struggle is with fans who are happy to take Tan's money but show total disrespect to the man because they want us to play in our old colours.

It's a package, all or nothing, and in my opinion the good he has done far outweighs the bad by a country mile.

The OP wanted an answer or honest opinion well here it is. by far the best translation of the re brand.

Didn't want the Red but weighed up the pros and cons. The pros of investment, debts cleared, progress and possible promotion out weighed the possibility of administration, liquidation, extinction, etc. Half our games were played in an alternate colour anyway. So it was a painful no brainer for me, but totally understand and respect those that can't make those alternatives justify the red.

I just take it in, nothing I can do about it

Pretty much this.

Reminds me of this famous prayer

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

The rebrand is perfectly changable and in our control as fans, If we unify and show strength our stock will rises along with a sense of pride in ourselves and the symbols of this club we all come under. I truly believe that if we all stood up for our club in unity like the ultra groups abroad, not only would we get results (like the ultras) but our affinity with the club and each other as men and fellow Cardiff fans will be stronger than ever. The most passionate fans i have encountered all come from clubs where the identity is uniquely theirs, once the identity erodes it's a slippery slope to a very empty football experience. we may see this if Cardiff go through a relegation and fans prematurely abandon the cause becausr they feel bereft of feeling for a club that doesn't speak for them.

Sounds like your starting to see sense.Accept what's happened is for the good of Cardiff City and settle down to enjoy the season ahead.You'll feel much better for it.

It's not for the good of city fans in the long run, fan identity engenders deep feeling and loyalty beyond the norm, Vincent Tan has undermined this aspect and while progress on the pitch is indisputable the passion and loyalty Csardiff are proud of having will slowly evaporate to be replaced by inertia.

i have been watching Cardiff 31 years and i never thought i see us playing at home in any other colour other than blue.it was hard to get your head around in beginning although i didn't accept the re brand when you think of all the pros it started to make sense i support Cardiff city not a colour. i am not pro red and the only colours i wear are blue.i am fifty years old my biggest fear is all the new young support will never know any difference and the proud history of our club and its loyal support before 2011.it seems to me this new board are hell bent on rubbing out our history and blue bit by bit. if your born a bluebird you die a bluebird.

i have been watching Cardiff 31 years and i never thought i see us playing at home in any other colour other than blue.it was hard to get your head around in beginning although i didn't accept the re brand when you think of all the pros it started to make sense i support Cardiff city not a colour. i am not pro red and the only colours i wear are blue.i am fifty years old my biggest fear is all the new young support will never know any difference and the proud history of our club and its loyal support before 2011.it seems to me this new board are hell bent on rubbing out our history and blue bit by bit. if your born a bluebird you die a bluebird.

I don't think anybody saw this coming in all honesty and it is without doubt a shock to the system.
More and more people are starting to take stock after getting their heads around it.
Wearing Blue is a good way to show your allegiance to the preferred colour.
Thankfully, as you said....You support the team and not the colour otherwise i'm sure you would have had many sleepless nights over this.