Gap between Premier League and Championship has closed

QPR spent a lot more than others and went down...

Massive flaws in the "economics" theory...

Lets stick to the simple. Has the standard of football dropped? In my eyes... Yes.

I cant quite comprehend what you are trying to put forward here

Are you seriously trying to say the amount of money a club has to spend has no, or less, of a baring on the quality of player it can bring in?

Thats barmy even for you.

Football has changed massively from a decade ago that itsnt the point. In the current climate of football where there is large sums of money being thrown about both Norwich and Swansea spent a far smaller amount than the rest of the premier league yet both survived quite comfortably off the back of their championship squad

What the rest of the prem spent is irrelevant, we are comparing the championship to the premiership and it is being mentioned that the strength of the championship is being showed by the amount of teams that now stay up.

I have correctly pointed out that there is increased money available to these teams which is causing the task to be made easier than teams of previous years and this is clearly shown by the quality of player that these lesser teams can now attract. Caulker being a case in point.,

Football has changed massively from a decade ago that itsnt the point. In the current climate of football where there is large sums of money being thrown about both Norwich and Swansea spent a far smaller amount than the rest of the premier league yet both survived quite comfortably off the back of their championship squad

What the rest of the prem spent is irrelevant, we are comparing the championship to the premiership and it is being mentioned that the strength of the championship is being showed by the amount of teams that now stay up.

I have correctly pointed out that there is increased money available to these teams which is causing the task to be made easier than teams of previous years and this is clearly shown by the quality of player that these lesser teams can now attract. Caulker being a case in point.,

Of course what the rest of the prem spent is relevant If they have been spending larger amounts of money surely they would have a much better team than those coming up making it more difficult. However as I have proven clubs that have come up and havent spent as much have faired better therefore the Championship isnt as far behind the Premier League as you are trying to make out

A player who has played in both leagues, or a man who doesn't even live in the same country as the teams he is commenting on..

I know who's opinion is more valid.

A player who has played in both leagues, or a man who doesn't even live in the same country as the teams he is commenting on..

I know who's opinion is more valid.

The one thats more sensible?

Only an idiot thinks money has no baring on the quality of your side.

I never said it doesn't have a bearing.

It is of my opinion that the standard of the premier league has dropped. You claim to have "factually disproved" this, but you can't.

Football has changed massively from a decade ago that itsnt the point. In the current climate of football where there is large sums of money being thrown about both Norwich and Swansea spent a far smaller amount than the rest of the premier league yet both survived quite comfortably off the back of their championship squad

What the rest of the prem spent is irrelevant, we are comparing the championship to the premiership and it is being mentioned that the strength of the championship is being showed by the amount of teams that now stay up.

I have correctly pointed out that there is increased money available to these teams which is causing the task to be made easier than teams of previous years and this is clearly shown by the quality of player that these lesser teams can now attract. Caulker being a case in point.,

Of course what the rest of the prem spent is relevant If they have been spending larger amounts of money surely they would have a much better team than those coming up making it more difficult. However as I have proven clubs that have come up and havent spent as much have faired better therefore the Championship isnt as far behind the Premier League as you are trying to make out

No, it is irrelevant.

Your argument consists of an isolated incident, one that certainly isnt the norm. QPR are the only team in recent history that i can remember that has spent mega bucks and gone down. This is certainly an exception and not the rule.

If money didnt make teams better then why sign players for over £1m as quality is not in correlation to the price tag?

The top teams already have a solid base of premiership players, top quality internationals. Sometimes signings are just "like for like" and not improving the actual team. For example selling bale and getting ronaldo, on paper you have spent £100m but have just swapped similar players. Top teams can only improve so much regardless of money.

With teams coming up, where as before they could only add a few quality players to their championship side, now they can add a whole team of quality players. That is the difference, and that is why its easier for newly promoted teams to compete now as opposed to nearly a decade ago.

It really is common sense. The fact you are after Capoue and signed Caulker and we have signed the likes of Bony, norwich Van Wolfswinkel etc etc is proof of this. A league gets better when the teams improve, not weaker. These stars coming to the lesser teams are proof the league is probably its strongest ever.

I never said it doesn't have a bearing.

It is of my opinion that the standard of the premier league has dropped. You claim to have "factually disproved" this, but you can't.

So you agree the more money a team has the better chance it has to do well?

Thats exactly what you are arguing against chuckles.

I never said it doesn't have a bearing.

It is of my opinion that the standard of the premier league has dropped. You claim to have "factually disproved" this, but you can't.

So you agree the more money a team has the better chance it has to do well?

Thats exactly what you are arguing against chuckles.

Yes, I agree. But I'm not arguing about that. I'm arguing about the gap between the clubs, which I feel is smaller due to the fact that the standards in the premiership have dropped.

I never said it doesn't have a bearing.

It is of my opinion that the standard of the premier league has dropped. You claim to have "factually disproved" this, but you can't.

So you agree the more money a team has the better chance it has to do well?

Thats exactly what you are arguing against chuckles.

Yes, I agree. But I'm not arguing about that. I'm arguing about the gap between the clubs, which I feel is smaller due to the fact that the standards in the premiership have dropped.

But you are basing this on nothing. A hunch and a player with a vested interest bigging up his teams chances.

We both agree the more money a club has, generally, the better it will be. The gap in terms of finances between the premier league and the championship has never been bigger, players of such high quality havent been coming to the smaller clubs like this for a long time, if ever. These facts point to it being munch stronger. Hence why you are entitled to your opinion, but the things that we all know regarding the finances and the quality of player coming into the league, point to it probably being incorrect.

Jesus Christ, it's my opinion based on my viewing of the premiership for nearly 20 years.

OPINIONS

Jesus Christ, it's my opinion based on my viewing of the premiership for nearly 20 years.

OPINIONS

I know exactly what it is. Im just telling you everything points to your opinion being wrong.... Except the oracle Tommy Smith of course

Football has changed massively from a decade ago that itsnt the point. In the current climate of football where there is large sums of money being thrown about both Norwich and Swansea spent a far smaller amount than the rest of the premier league yet both survived quite comfortably off the back of their championship squad

What the rest of the prem spent is irrelevant, we are comparing the championship to the premiership and it is being mentioned that the strength of the championship is being showed by the amount of teams that now stay up.

I have correctly pointed out that there is increased money available to these teams which is causing the task to be made easier than teams of previous years and this is clearly shown by the quality of player that these lesser teams can now attract. Caulker being a case in point.,

Of course what the rest of the prem spent is relevant If they have been spending larger amounts of money surely they would have a much better team than those coming up making it more difficult. However as I have proven clubs that have come up and havent spent as much have faired better therefore the Championship isnt as far behind the Premier League as you are trying to make out

No, it is irrelevant.

Your argument consists of an isolated incident, one that certainly isnt the norm. QPR are the only team in recent history that i can remember that has spent mega bucks and gone down. This is certainly an exception and not the rule.

If money didnt make teams better then why sign players for over £1m as quality is not in correlation to the price tag?

The top teams already have a solid base of premiership players, top quality internationals. Sometimes signings are just "like for like" and not improving the actual team. For example selling bale and getting ronaldo, on paper you have spent £100m but have just swapped similar players. Top teams can only improve so much regardless of money.

With teams coming up, where as before they could only add a few quality players to their championship side, now they can add a whole team of quality players. That is the difference, and that is why its easier for newly promoted teams to compete now as opposed to nearly a decade ago.

It really is common sense. The fact you are after Capoue and signed Caulker and we have signed the likes of Bony, norwich Van Wolfswinkel etc etc is proof of this. A league gets better when the teams improve, not weaker. These stars coming to the lesser teams are proof the league is probably its strongest ever.

I'm not denying money make teams better, my point is that on several occasions teams who have spent a small amount of money compared to other teams that have come up or are already in the league but have done better than them using the majority of their Championship squad. Hence, the gap between the Championship and the Premier leauge is getting smaller. Yes you can say the Premier Leauge is the strongest it is ever but you can say the same for the championship.

So the point is again, teams that have come up and kept the majority of their squad and spent a small amount to add to it have faired better than sides who have spent a large amount and changed their squad completely. So to me that simply says the gap has shortened

Jesus Christ, it's my opinion based on my viewing of the premiership for nearly 20 years.

OPINIONS

I know exactly what it is. Im just telling you everything points to your opinion being wrong.... Except the oracle Tommy Smith of course

No it doesn't. YOU claim it's wrong.

Football has changed massively from a decade ago that itsnt the point. In the current climate of football where there is large sums of money being thrown about both Norwich and Swansea spent a far smaller amount than the rest of the premier league yet both survived quite comfortably off the back of their championship squad

What the rest of the prem spent is irrelevant, we are comparing the championship to the premiership and it is being mentioned that the strength of the championship is being showed by the amount of teams that now stay up.

I have correctly pointed out that there is increased money available to these teams which is causing the task to be made easier than teams of previous years and this is clearly shown by the quality of player that these lesser teams can now attract. Caulker being a case in point.,

I have to agree with you.
Take Cardiff we won the championship with ease yet that side would get relegated from the premier Imo.

Football has changed massively from a decade ago that itsnt the point. In the current climate of football where there is large sums of money being thrown about both Norwich and Swansea spent a far smaller amount than the rest of the premier league yet both survived quite comfortably off the back of their championship squad

What the rest of the prem spent is irrelevant, we are comparing the championship to the premiership and it is being mentioned that the strength of the championship is being showed by the amount of teams that now stay up.

I have correctly pointed out that there is increased money available to these teams which is causing the task to be made easier than teams of previous years and this is clearly shown by the quality of player that these lesser teams can now attract. Caulker being a case in point.,

Of course what the rest of the prem spent is relevant If they have been spending larger amounts of money surely they would have a much better team than those coming up making it more difficult. However as I have proven clubs that have come up and havent spent as much have faired better therefore the Championship isnt as far behind the Premier League as you are trying to make out

No, it is irrelevant.

Your argument consists of an isolated incident, one that certainly isnt the norm. QPR are the only team in recent history that i can remember that has spent mega bucks and gone down. This is certainly an exception and not the rule.

If money didnt make teams better then why sign players for over £1m as quality is not in correlation to the price tag?

The top teams already have a solid base of premiership players, top quality internationals. Sometimes signings are just "like for like" and not improving the actual team. For example selling bale and getting ronaldo, on paper you have spent £100m but have just swapped similar players. Top teams can only improve so much regardless of money.

With teams coming up, where as before they could only add a few quality players to their championship side, now they can add a whole team of quality players. That is the difference, and that is why its easier for newly promoted teams to compete now as opposed to nearly a decade ago.

It really is common sense. The fact you are after Capoue and signed Caulker and we have signed the likes of Bony, norwich Van Wolfswinkel etc etc is proof of this. A league gets better when the teams improve, not weaker. These stars coming to the lesser teams are proof the league is probably its strongest ever.

I'm not denying money make teams better, my point is that on several occasions teams who have spent a small amount of money compared to other teams that have come up or are already in the league but have done better than them using the majority of their Championship squad. Hence, the gap between the Championship and the Premier leauge is getting smaller. Yes you can say the Premier Leauge is the strongest it is ever but you can say the same for the championship.

So the point is again, teams that have come up and kept the majority of their squad and spent a small amount to add to it have faired better than sides who have spent a large amount and changed their squad completely. So to me that simply says the gap has shortened

But it just isnt true, you are basing this on the fact Swansea and Norwich stayed up while classing them as spending little, when indeed they did not. Reading and Blackpool spent the least amount in recent years and kept the side the most similar to that of the one that came up - both relegated.

You have spent £20m with more to come and still the vast majority of people including your own fans think you will only finish 17th. So my point is, without that £20m-£30m spending where the hell would that leave you if people only think you will get 17th with it!

Your own fans admit you didnt play well for large parts of last terms and won the league easily, hull came second and were woeful. Warford finished 3rd with three quarters of their side being a reserve team from an average side in a weaker league than the prem. so if a lower end, top flight reserve team can get 3rd spot it tells you something.

Jesus Christ, it's my opinion based on my viewing of the premiership for nearly 20 years.

OPINIONS

I know exactly what it is. Im just telling you everything points to your opinion being wrong.... Except the oracle Tommy Smith of course

No it doesn't. YOU claim it's wrong.

You have said the more money you have the better your team is. You have also agreed the better ayers you have the better your team is. All obvious i know.

1. There gap in finances between the two leagues has never been bigger
2. The quality and profile of the players signing for the lesser prem teams has never been higher.

These are both facts and both point to you and tommys opinion being incorrect.

Football has changed massively from a decade ago that itsnt the point. In the current climate of football where there is large sums of money being thrown about both Norwich and Swansea spent a far smaller amount than the rest of the premier league yet both survived quite comfortably off the back of their championship squad

What the rest of the prem spent is irrelevant, we are comparing the championship to the premiership and it is being mentioned that the strength of the championship is being showed by the amount of teams that now stay up.

I have correctly pointed out that there is increased money available to these teams which is causing the task to be made easier than teams of previous years and this is clearly shown by the quality of player that these lesser teams can now attract. Caulker being a case in point.,

I have to agree with you.
Take Cardiff we won the championship with ease yet that side would get relegated from the premier Imo.

Spot on.

If think they're trying to say the gap between the bottom few premier league teams and the top few championship teams has closed, the championship looks the strongest it's ever been and about 10-13 teams could go up

He's right and I said this and got abuse for it. The only reason clubs are now spending more is because of inflation in the transfer market, nothing to do with quality. The gap is smaller than ever with takeovers in lower leagues and relegated teams hanging on to players. 3 or 4 shrewd signings is all it takes. Fed up of people making out the Premier League is some cradle of class. Top 6-8 aside, we can give any of the rest a very good go as can Hull and Palace. There have been plenty of players worse than what we have in our ranks who've made the step up comfortably.

He's right and I said this and got abuse for it. The only reason clubs are now spending more is because of inflation in the transfer market, nothing to do with quality. The gap is smaller than ever with takeovers in lower leagues and relegated teams hanging on to players. 3 or 4 shrewd signings is all it takes. Fed up of people making out the Premier League is some cradle of class. Top 6-8 aside, we can give any of the rest a very good go as can Hull and Palace. There have been plenty of players worse than what we have in our ranks who've made the step up comfortably.

Of course you three clubs can compete, you all have in excess of £20m to spend now, easy to get quality players in for that.

The gap between a premier league club run on the current premier league budgets and a championship club run on a current championship budget however - is massive, bigger than ever.

You will see in the first few games as you are used to watching championship. The first thing you will notice is the pace of the football and the strength and athletic prowess of the players. Make a mistake in defence and more often than not you will concede. On their day ANY team in the Prem can demolish you, you may look at West Ham and think "winnable"... If yiu arent at the races they could crush you 5-0 wthout much sweat. Its an immense league.