Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:22 pm
caerdydd_78 wrote:Canton stand bluebird wrote:we aint fans anymore , we are just customers now with 5 percent ungrateful fans lol , he will never listen or care , just turn up every week in blue and show him we aint gonna accept the rebrand . BLUEBIRDS UNITE !
Please don't bang on about where his customers on your 3rd post, and disrespect everything the Malaysians have done for this club. You talk about 'WE' wont accept the colours or the club crest, yet we have sold 22k home season tickets with countless 1000s waiting in the wings, once the stadium expansion has taken place by 2014.
We have gone from being hours away from admin/liquidation, to a championship winning campaign gaining promotion to the EPL after 52 years. We have smashed our club transfer record twice in a few weeks and a possible 3rd time when Capoue sings. Red/Blue with a serious question, Does colour matter if there is no club? and please don't say it was never red or dead as that at the time was never an option when Sam left us in a utter mess, and I thank the remaining Directors and people like Steve Borley and Michael Issac and PMG for doing what they did at the time.
We all want the clubs colours to stay blue. Its far too late in the day for fans to keep on dragging up the same questions and insults everyday. Its like groundhog day on here each and everyday with the same posts, day in day out. My question to anyone who writes these posts or blogs, no rubbish, no insults, no BU, Please give me a honest and realistic business plan that will help the club should we not be in this position??? Ive asked many times and I get waffle, no serious questions or answers just waffle. Some of the so called anti-reds have even suggested that with the PL TV money we will be ok? but at the time we were borderline admin/liquidation this did not come into question, so that is not an answer.
We now have, a club with a stable and sound financial footing, a ground begging for a multi-million pound sponsorship. Stadium Upgrades planned for the next 2 seasons and a training ground that's due to be announced, a competitive playing squad... most importantly when its finalised A DEBT FREE CLUB. I remember once, listening to an interview by Kev McNaughton when things were at its worst, CCFC once trained in the stadium car park because we had nowhere else to go.... come on lads.... we are PL and teams envy the players we are getting and what the owners are doing for the club. Yes they will make money, yes they will sell the club for countless million when its all done, but again they have done exactly what they said they would do and much more, and I cannot fault them for that.
Why cant fans just understand, we have gone from on the brink of closure, to a very bright future, and i seriously applaud everyone at the club from Tan to the cleaners.
Thank you.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:22 pm
Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:25 pm
Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:29 pm
Barry Chuckle wrote:I don't know why you're accusing me of selling BU shirts. I'm not selling them.
I am aware though, monies raised will go towards a free blue scarf to wear at a game.![]()
You didn't have to say he was your hero, it's clear he is. That's fine, but you've got to accept that some don't feel this way.
You asked for a "way out" I gave you one, direct from Tan's mouth himself.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:33 pm
caerdydd_78 wrote:
Chuckles... even for you that reply was not the answer to my question... and again your dodging the true question that was asked. I will again stress, he is not a Hero of mine, don't assume its mot intelligent at all.
yes it was. You asked for an alternative, I gave you one. Straight from your heroes mouth. I say he is your hero, because I've seen how much you kiss his arse.
You are unable to answer my questions and you keep referring to your quote 'You asked for a "way out" I gave you one, direct from Tan's mouth himself' My question again is, without Tan and the Malaysians what else did we have??
as above.
Also regarding the T-shirts, please read it again no direct quotes were made to you, just the fact that a near 50m at £4.00 will need to be sold in order for peace and harmony to be resumed at our club.
i quote...
"don't worry yourself im sure after selling about 50m of your BU t-shirts at £4.00 each you might have enough."
Which implies that they were mine. If that's not what you meant, please write it correctly.![]()
PS. Or it could take Tan to realise what he did was wrong & revert back to the way it SHOULD be.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:39 pm
Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:41 pm
CjBluebird17 wrote:What do you know Chuckles constantly twisting peoples words and avoiding the actual question. Suprise suprise.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:45 pm
Barry Chuckle wrote:caerdydd_78 wrote:
Chuckles... even for you that reply was not the answer to my question... and again your dodging the true question that was asked. I will again stress, he is not a Hero of mine, don't assume its mot intelligent at all.
yes it was. You asked for an alternative, I gave you one. Straight from your heroes mouth. I say he is your hero, because I've seen how much you kiss his arse.
You are unable to answer my questions and you keep referring to your quote 'You asked for a "way out" I gave you one, direct from Tan's mouth himself' My question again is, without Tan and the Malaysians what else did we have??
as above.
Also regarding the T-shirts, please read it again no direct quotes were made to you, just the fact that a near 50m at £4.00 will need to be sold in order for peace and harmony to be resumed at our club.
i quote...
"don't worry yourself im sure after selling about 50m of your BU t-shirts at £4.00 each you might have enough."
Which implies that they were mine. If that's not what you meant, please write it correctly.![]()
PS. Or it could take Tan to realise what he did was wrong & revert back to the way it SHOULD be.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:47 pm
caerdydd_78 wrote:
I love how my post was edited by you that's genius.
Secondly, again please dont refrain from calling him my hero, but again calling me a Tan kiss arse is so typical of the BU and the hero's that demand changes at the club with nothing to offer in return.
You truly need to read my original post and your reply. Again another reply and no straight answer to my post regarding Tans investment.
Your support of CCFC is again commended, im so happy the club has such honorable fans such as yourself.
Thanks
Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:57 pm
CjBluebird17 wrote:What do you know Chuckles constantly twisting peoples words and avoiding the actual question. Suprise suprise.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:00 pm
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:03 pm
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:07 pm
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:CjBluebird17 wrote:What do you know Chuckles constantly twisting peoples words and avoiding the actual question. Suprise suprise.
He is an expert in this.Works from the roath tragic book.
Regarding the rebrand the club i.e. DT publicly set out in writing why and how it was part of the wider plans for revenue raising. On that basis it is far from pointless.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:09 pm
Jorn Schwinkendorf wrote:Vincent Tan went back on his word about the rebrand, ignored all consultation like a dictator, created in fighting among Cardiff fans, insulted the '5%' who disagree with his amateur rebrand and has yet to convert his debt to equity. But hey as long as the brain-washed get their chance to watch Rooney and co. next season what does it matter hey?
Cue the well we wouldn't have a club, red or dead bollocks etc. Simple fact of the matter is that supporting Cardiff has never been about the success, for me anyway it is the pride of supporting your local club when so many in Cardiff pledge their loyalty to the Man Utd's, Liverpool's of the world. Couldn't give a f**k about the money or the signings. Even though we won the league last year it was the least enjoyable season I've had in the 20 years supporting the City. I attended only 1 home game last season (free ticket) as I refuse to give my money to Tan, nor will I be attending next season, last time I went I was almost sick in my mouth by the number of grown men wearing the red Malaysia shirt. Funny thing is my mates who disagree with my opinions are the ones who wore the Man U and Liverpool tops for years, supported them through their £40 a month sky subscription from their armchairs, and no doubt will be there next season claiming 'they've always supported Cardiff'.
Bet the boys who sold their assholes to the malaysian general are loving all the new record signings - but remember you sold your assholes and our good ol' Vinny can now f**k you at any time.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:10 pm
Barry Chuckle wrote:caerdydd_78 wrote:
I love how my post was edited by you that's genius.
Secondly, again please dont refrain from calling him my hero, but again calling me a Tan kiss arse is so typical of the BU and the hero's that demand changes at the club with nothing to offer in return.
You truly need to read my original post and your reply. Again another reply and no straight answer to my post regarding Tans investment.
Your support of CCFC is again commended, im so happy the club has such honorable fans such as yourself.
Thanks
No editing of quotes here. Think you need to learn to read correctly?![]()
I've replied. For BEFORE promotion & AFTER promotion. Again, a reading problem? Or is it a comprehension problem?![]()
Stick your thanks up your arse & get off your high horse.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:13 pm
caerdydd_78 wrote:High horse?? im just trying to prove and show you that our owner has done far more than anyone did, when needed. Clearly at no prevail with fans who are clearly negative towards the changes made yet they enjoy the success that comes with it.
Also regarding your last paragraph,immature springs to mind. Yet again no serious reply to my questions regarding current or previous ownership. In the future Chuckles, if you have an opinion, please back it up with an adult response rather than one my son could have written.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:15 pm
Barry Chuckle wrote:If Tan left tomorrow, we would be fine. Tan's words.
At the time, he would have reassessed his investment (as he was quoted after the "we won't rebrand" statement). He didn't say he would leave & to assume so, is scaremongering. He said he would find other investors to be alongside him... Are you really suggesting that Tan doesn't have any rich friends?![]()
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:18 pm
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:20 pm
bluedragons wrote:Jorn Schwinkendorf wrote:Vincent Tan went back on his word about the rebrand, ignored all consultation like a dictator, created in fighting among Cardiff fans, insulted the '5%' who disagree with his amateur rebrand and has yet to convert his debt to equity. But hey as long as the brain-washed get their chance to watch Rooney and co. next season what does it matter hey?
Cue the well we wouldn't have a club, red or dead bollocks etc. Simple fact of the matter is that supporting Cardiff has never been about the success, for me anyway it is the pride of supporting your local club when so many in Cardiff pledge their loyalty to the Man Utd's, Liverpool's of the world. Couldn't give a f**k about the money or the signings. Even though we won the league last year it was the least enjoyable season I've had in the 20 years supporting the City. I attended only 1 home game last season (free ticket) as I refuse to give my money to Tan, nor will I be attending next season, last time I went I was almost sick in my mouth by the number of grown men wearing the red Malaysia shirt. Funny thing is my mates who disagree with my opinions are the ones who wore the Man U and Liverpool tops for years, supported them through their £40 a month sky subscription from their armchairs, and no doubt will be there next season claiming 'they've always supported Cardiff'.
Bet the boys who sold their assholes to the malaysian general are loving all the new record signings - but remember you sold your assholes and our good ol' Vinny can now f**k you at any time.
I dont get this 'he went back on his word' statement. He said he was going to stop investing in the club if we wouldn't accept his rebrand. There was huge support for Tan and his plans and he then decided because he had the SUPPORT of the majority of the supporters that he would go with the rebrand. That was at fans request not Tan lying to us. I guess its just easier for the anti reds to ignore the facts though to suit their own agenda.
He said he would convert debt-to-equity after the Sam issue was resolved. It has only just been resolved and I am 100% confident he will transfer debt-to-equity. We cant really comment on that though at the moment as nobody knows whether it will or whether it wont actually happen. This is something to be discussed at a later date.
He has also put forward plans for a fantastic new training ground set-up which will see our first team and youth teams have first class facilities. Plans are in place to increase the stadium size and we are also now in the Premier League.
And stop suggesting everybody who isnt anti red is a sell out. Im not anti red but id prefer us be in blue. Im certainly no sell out. I assume despite calling everybody else a sell-out you still go to games...
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:24 pm
Barry Chuckle wrote:Barry Chuckle wrote:If Tan left tomorrow, we would be fine. Tan's words.
At the time, he would have reassessed his investment (as he was quoted after the "we won't rebrand" statement). He didn't say he would leave & to assume so, is scaremongering. He said he would find other investors to be alongside him... Are you really suggesting that Tan doesn't have any rich friends?![]()
Here is what I said, seeing as you are unable to read it properly amongst other posts.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:24 pm
Jorn Schwinkendorf wrote:bluedragons wrote:Jorn Schwinkendorf wrote:Vincent Tan went back on his word about the rebrand, ignored all consultation like a dictator, created in fighting among Cardiff fans, insulted the '5%' who disagree with his amateur rebrand and has yet to convert his debt to equity. But hey as long as the brain-washed get their chance to watch Rooney and co. next season what does it matter hey?
Cue the well we wouldn't have a club, red or dead bollocks etc. Simple fact of the matter is that supporting Cardiff has never been about the success, for me anyway it is the pride of supporting your local club when so many in Cardiff pledge their loyalty to the Man Utd's, Liverpool's of the world. Couldn't give a f**k about the money or the signings. Even though we won the league last year it was the least enjoyable season I've had in the 20 years supporting the City. I attended only 1 home game last season (free ticket) as I refuse to give my money to Tan, nor will I be attending next season, last time I went I was almost sick in my mouth by the number of grown men wearing the red Malaysia shirt. Funny thing is my mates who disagree with my opinions are the ones who wore the Man U and Liverpool tops for years, supported them through their £40 a month sky subscription from their armchairs, and no doubt will be there next season claiming 'they've always supported Cardiff'.
Bet the boys who sold their assholes to the malaysian general are loving all the new record signings - but remember you sold your assholes and our good ol' Vinny can now f**k you at any time.
I dont get this 'he went back on his word' statement. He said he was going to stop investing in the club if we wouldn't accept his rebrand. There was huge support for Tan and his plans and he then decided because he had the SUPPORT of the majority of the supporters that he would go with the rebrand. That was at fans request not Tan lying to us. I guess its just easier for the anti reds to ignore the facts though to suit their own agenda.
He said he would convert debt-to-equity after the Sam issue was resolved. It has only just been resolved and I am 100% confident he will transfer debt-to-equity. We cant really comment on that though at the moment as nobody knows whether it will or whether it wont actually happen. This is something to be discussed at a later date.
He has also put forward plans for a fantastic new training ground set-up which will see our first team and youth teams have first class facilities. Plans are in place to increase the stadium size and we are also now in the Premier League.
And stop suggesting everybody who isnt anti red is a sell out. Im not anti red but id prefer us be in blue. Im certainly no sell out. I assume despite calling everybody else a sell-out you still go to games...
Did Tan or did he not come out and say that we will play in blue this season, only to change his mind. Maybe you didn't realise that VT held all of us fans over a huge barrel - either go along with my rebrand bollocks or go bust. That is not the type of person I trust, nor is it the type of person I will give my hard earned money to. A blackmail on an epic scale.
I clearly stated I only went to one game last season and will not be going to the CCS next season. I think it is totally hypocritical of me to say the grown men in red malaysian tops make me sick and then be alongside them. So maybe not a good idea to assume - you make an ass out of u and me. (Not that you had to assume, it was clearly stated in black and white in front of your eyes that I won't be going to games next season, maybe you didn't have the intelligence to digest the information - that might explain how you could not see you were being held over a huge barrel)
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:29 pm
caerdydd_78 wrote:Read my post, I simply ask, AT THE TIME WE WERE HOURS FROM ADMIN/LIQUIDATION, who else came in?? you are suggesting if we walks now? we are safe.
Yes we would be safe, but because of his plans and money that has saved this club. We are now Premier League, without his efforts both on and off the field, we wouldn't be. So again your answer is not right at all.
With the team, stadium, league position and the fact we will be debt free, yes we look appealing to his so called rich friends and any other investors, and when he is finished with us, who knows?? Europa league, Champions League?
You are a a work of art Chuckles.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:29 pm
Barry Chuckle wrote:C. Rombie-Coat wrote:CjBluebird17 wrote:What do you know Chuckles constantly twisting peoples words and avoiding the actual question. Suprise suprise.
He is an expert in this.Works from the roath tragic book.
Regarding the rebrand the club i.e. DT publicly set out in writing why and how it was part of the wider plans for revenue raising. On that basis it is far from pointless.
The idea itself, is flawed, which in turn, makes it a pointless exercise.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:32 pm
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:The sort of smartarse response which becomes you.
If it's Mr Tan's business plan and he doesn't think it's a pointless exercise that's what counts and I suggest he may have a better handle on things than you.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:34 pm
Barry Chuckle wrote:C. Rombie-Coat wrote:The sort of smartarse response which becomes you.
If it's Mr Tan's business plan and he doesn't think it's a pointless exercise that's what counts and I suggest he may have a better handle on things than you.
Okay, you believe that people in Asia only support Red teams.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:35 pm
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:37 pm
Barry Chuckle wrote:C. Rombie-Coat wrote:The sort of smartarse response which becomes you.
If it's Mr Tan's business plan and he doesn't think it's a pointless exercise that's what counts and I suggest he may have a better handle on things than you.
Okay, you believe that people in Asia only support Red teams.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:39 pm
bluedragons wrote:Barry Chuckle wrote:C. Rombie-Coat wrote:The sort of smartarse response which becomes you.
If it's Mr Tan's business plan and he doesn't think it's a pointless exercise that's what counts and I suggest he may have a better handle on things than you.
Okay, you believe that people in Asia only support Red teams.
It has never been suggested that Asians wont buy blue. However, it is a well known fact that Asians have a preference for the colour red for cultural reasons. It is therefore easier to sell them a product they have a cultural connection with. Surely it isnt that hard to understand. Queue a smart ass response.
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:40 pm
Blue_Always wrote:Barry Chuckle wrote:C. Rombie-Coat wrote:The sort of smartarse response which becomes you.
If it's Mr Tan's business plan and he doesn't think it's a pointless exercise that's what counts and I suggest he may have a better handle on things than you.
Okay, you believe that people in Asia only support Red teams.
OI, You're not supposed to think for yourself, just follow the Dictators business plan like a good lickle taffy
Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:40 pm
Jorn Schwinkendorf wrote:bluedragons wrote:Barry Chuckle wrote:C. Rombie-Coat wrote:The sort of smartarse response which becomes you.
If it's Mr Tan's business plan and he doesn't think it's a pointless exercise that's what counts and I suggest he may have a better handle on things than you.
Okay, you believe that people in Asia only support Red teams.
It has never been suggested that Asians wont buy blue. However, it is a well known fact that Asians have a preference for the colour red for cultural reasons. It is therefore easier to sell them a product they have a cultural connection with. Surely it isnt that hard to understand. Queue a smart ass response.
Why don't we start with selling shirts in South Wales before targeting Malaysia FFS!