SURELY NOT

Typical cardiff city ,the guy who nearly ruined us gets a place back on the baord,frigging laughable !!

Or possibly saved us and brought about some belief when we were just about going out of business, were you around those days, were you aware of what was happening?

yes i was actually gwyn and have been since 1977 !!!!....you'll be juggling whose arse to lick now sam or tans !!

Agree with you gender ,he didnt give a shit about the club when it was needed hes a crook and savaged the club,and now hes gonna waltz back in on the board ,great ,the only thing Tan proably wants him for his whatever football knowledge he has as Tan doesnt have any,still no doubt the sam fan will welcome him back,Tan will have to watch himself cos sam cant help but build his ego up with media appearances.

NONE of his groupies have ever answered as to why he never told his best best buddies he was running up
a £20m+ loan against the Club. They were ALL in the same boat as the rest of us, he told them it was his
money and the ''debt would leave with him" -

As for his football knowledge? Paying average players massive wages and still failing to get us promotion
hardly puts him in the Sir Alex Ferguson bracket

I have seen this claim previously, it was common knowledge and never hidden that the loan was made to us by Citi Bank, hence the quotes people throw up about debt is good, meaning unless you can cover it, you don't get the loan.
When Citi bank called the loan in, Sam/langston covered the loaned and didn't even ask for it to be secured against club assets.

No one except for those that only read the snippets they want to thought differently, plenty of proof and coverage at all times with regard to Citi Banks involvement.

So when he was saying he was spending his own money, and would never leave the Club in debt you knew
it was bullshit???

Well thanks for keeping that to yourself Gwyn.

Tan will still call the shots and make all the decisions that's the main thing.It'll be interesting having Sam back that's for sure but financially he'll have no say in club affairs Imo.

Weren't the ITK posters confident that Sam would not get a penny and that the forensic accountants would uncover the whole sordid affair and he would wind up in jail not back on the board. Sherlock

Perhaps he had more bargaining power than people gave him credit for, i'm sure as the experts said if Tan found any dirty washing he'd nail him.

Well it looks likely the only place he will be nailing him is onto the board of directors.

At least the doom mongers who said they would only believe it when the debt was turned to equity can now relax and enjoy the football.

Who cares, now is not the time for points scoring, we should just be happy that hopefully the debt is being settled and at last the club is being run very well as a business and the future is looking bright as we head into our first ever season in the Premier League

EXACTLY, some people don't want to see or recognise good news, the Langston debt dealt with Vt turning the debt to equity, isn't this what we wanted.

yeh but you getting all ''cummy-fingered'' over the idea that the conman might be coming back
is frankly vomit inducing

No Freudina slip. I said quote Weren't the ITK posters confident that Sam would not get a penny and that the forensic accountants would uncover the whole sordid affair and he would wind up in jail not back on the board. Sherlock

These were claims made by many, personally It don't concern or involve me whether Sam is langston, part of it or not, same it is to me.What difference does it make either way.

Sam won't be getting a penny then, Langston will?

It makes a massive difference if Sam is Langston or not. Sam ran up a debt, sold that on to Citibanc - and then ran up further debts until it was no longer servicable and Citibanc called it in. Given that Sam Langston then took on the debt, it could be argued that he'd engineered the mounting debt with Citibanc to be beneficial to himself - with the club liable for it, not him.

And what happened to the "when I leave, the debt goes with me". Oh I forgot, we're not paying Sam are we?

Typical cardiff city ,the guy who nearly ruined us gets a place back on the baord,frigging laughable !!

Or possibly saved us and brought about some belief when we were just about going out of business, were you around those days, were you aware of what was happening?

yes i was actually gwyn and have been since 1977 !!!!....you'll be juggling whose arse to lick now sam or tans !!

You can draw a parallel to those days with Chester City. We were in the same financial situation as Chester are but the North Welsh club, I know its in England but I'm just trying to keep some of the locals up there happy, had no investor interested in putting the money in. They had entrepreneurs showing interest but could not get other to raise the dough or would not put their own money in. Like it or not Sam did that and without doubt saved the club.

Its very easy for a club on the bottom ruin of the ladder to go out of business, history has shown that.

hes been away from this site for a while and posting on the other board but i guess we will have to listen to his shit again,no doubt he'll try get his face on the tv again soon enough,like when he was pleading and slagging fans off when tan was supposedly turning his back on us with his deal and there he was on live tv having a go a city fans who didnt want to get rid of blue ...shame on us !!!!!

If it gets debts converted to equity by tan i dont see how it matters if sams back, which is money in to the club rather than tan paying him off i guess, eitherway we all wanted the so called debt free club out of this if langston is gone its tans turn then to deliver

Tans been delivering for a while now give him some credit ffs.

Weren't the ITK posters confident that Sam would not get a penny and that the forensic accountants would uncover the whole sordid affair and he would wind up in jail not back on the board. Sherlock

Perhaps he had more bargaining power than people gave him credit for, i'm sure as the experts said if Tan found any dirty washing he'd nail him.

Well it looks likely the only place he will be nailing him is onto the board of directors.

At least the doom mongers who said they would only believe it when the debt was turned to equity can now relax and enjoy the football.

Who cares, now is not the time for points scoring, we should just be happy that hopefully the debt is being settled and at last the club is being run very well as a business and the future is looking bright as we head into our first ever season in the Premier League

EXACTLY, some people don't want to see or recognise good news, the Langston debt dealt with Vt turning the debt to equity, isn't this what we wanted.

yeh but you getting all ''cummy-fingered'' over the idea that the conman might be coming back
is frankly vomit inducing

Agree with you gender ,he didnt give a shit about the club when it was needed hes a crook and savaged the club,and now hes gonna waltz back in on the board ,great ,the only thing Tan proably wants him for his whatever football knowledge he has as Tan doesnt have any,still no doubt the sam fan will welcome him back,Tan will have to watch himself cos sam cant help but build his ego up with media appearances.

NONE of his groupies have ever answered as to why he never told his best best buddies he was running up
a £20m+ loan against the Club. They were ALL in the same boat as the rest of us, he told them it was his
money and the ''debt would leave with him" -

As for his football knowledge? Paying average players massive wages and still failing to get us promotion
hardly puts him in the Sir Alex Ferguson bracket

I have seen this claim previously, it was common knowledge and never hidden that the loan was made to us by Citi Bank, hence the quotes people throw up about debt is good, meaning unless you can cover it, you don't get the loan.
When Citi bank called the loan in, Sam/langston covered the loaned and didn't even ask for it to be secured against club assets.

No one except for those that only read the snippets they want to thought differently, plenty of proof and coverage at all times with regard to Citi Banks involvement.

So when he was saying he was spending his own money, and would never leave the Club in debt you knew
it was bullshit???

Well thanks for keeping that to yourself Gwyn.

You must be the only person that didn't know the money was originally loaned to us by Citi Bank.
It's a bit like me borrowing twenty thousand pound off the building society to do up my house and increase it's value, my loan,against me, but their money,
When you leave school you will find these things out as you go along.

Since when has this debt been gwyn's fault,lets just be grateful tan has finally got it sorted.If true.

If it gets debts converted to equity by tan i dont see how it matters if sams back, which is money in to the club rather than tan paying him off i guess, eitherway we all wanted the so called debt free club out of this if langston is gone its tans turn then to deliver

Tans been delivering for a while now give him some credit ffs.

Credit for a rebrand dropped on city fans with a noose attached to it for fans who dont agree with everything he does at the price of money, yes hes got us up and we are being propped up monthly to get by but he will get it back just like the man whos comming back in. The main point is here IF THERE WAS NO DEBT TO EQUITY PROMISE in the 1st place there would have been no rebrand, so now langston are going its tans part of the deal he offered, as i couldnt give two hoots about players or whats being bought for training camps as the debt to equity always over rode anything else for me as a club to carry on running.

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Weren't the ITK posters confident that Sam would not get a penny and that the forensic accountants would uncover the whole sordid affair and he would wind up in jail not back on the board. Sherlock

Perhaps he had more bargaining power than people gave him credit for, i'm sure as the experts said if Tan found any dirty washing he'd nail him.

Well it looks likely the only place he will be nailing him is onto the board of directors.

At least the doom mongers who said they would only believe it when the debt was turned to equity can now relax and enjoy the football.

When you and your best mate were having beers and chewing the fat all those years ago did he ONCE say to you
"Gwyn I cant lie to a friend, I'm NOT spending a penny of my own money, Im getting the Club up to its
eyeballs in debt"

No. Thought not. He lied through his f*cking teeth and nearly destroyed us.

The vast majority of Cardiff City supporters finally saw through the ""oh look Sams a celebrity but calls me
friend" bollocks and saw him for what he was - a lying c**t.

Look at you now - oneupmanship against Carl "i know Sam is at Chessington, he likes me more than
he likes you"

Sam Hammam is poison, Wimbledon and Cardiff City fans got it right

EXCELLENT POST

Their like f*cking children la la la la la I know more about Sam than you know

No Freudina slip. I said quote Weren't the ITK posters confident that Sam would not get a penny and that the forensic accountants would uncover the whole sordid affair and he would wind up in jail not back on the board. Sherlock

These were claims made by many, personally It don't concern or involve me whether Sam is langston, part of it or not, same it is to me.What difference does it make either way.

Sam won't be getting a penny then, Langston will?

It makes a massive difference if Sam is Langston or not. Sam ran up a debt, sold that on to Citibanc - and then ran up further debts until it was no longer servicable and Citibanc called it in. Given that Sam Langston then took on the debt, it could be argued that he'd engineered the mounting debt with Citibanc to be beneficial to himself - with the club liable for it, not him.

And what happened to the "when I leave, the debt goes with me". Oh I forgot, we're not paying Sam are we?

a High Court Judge pretty much summed up that the whole Langstone affair STANK of Sam Hammam.

But dont let that put the disciples off

He wouldnt lie to them you know. They are far more special than the special friends he had at Wimbledon.

At least you won't have to jump the fences now, eh Gwyn?

If it gets debts converted to equity by tan i dont see how it matters if sams back, which is money in to the club rather than tan paying him off i guess, eitherway we all wanted the so called debt free club out of this if langston is gone its tans turn then to deliver

Tans been delivering for a while now give him some credit ffs.

Credit for a rebrand dropped on city fans with a noose attached to it for fans who dont agree with everything he does at the price of money, yes hes got us up and we are being propped up monthly to get by but he will get it back just like the man whos comming back in. The main point is here IF THERE WAS NO DEBT TO EQUITY PROMISE in the 1st place there would have been no rebrand, so now langston are going its tans part of the deal he offered, as i couldnt give two hoots about players or whats being bought for training camps as the debt to equity always over rode anything else for me as a club to carry on running.

Tans been true to his word,give it time and he'll sort the debt as he's promised.
I don't believe your not interested in the players that have been brought to the club and the players that are on their way this summer ready for our assault on the premier courtesy of tan.Go on thank him its not hard.

I said a long, long time ago that there was nothing to be found. A lot of people shot me down, with their wait and see bullshit.

Well come on then you gobshites - form an orderly queue to apologise

Or are you all going to go all Vicky Pollard - "yeah but, no but...."

God fecking help us if this slimeball gets on the board again. Down the divisions we will go if he has his hands anywhere near the purse strings. Big mistake offering him a place on the board.

I said a long, long time ago that there was nothing to be found. A lot of people shot me down, with their wait and see bullshit.

Well come on then you gobshites - form an orderly queue to apologise

Or are you all going to go all Vicky Pollard - "yeah but, no but...."

Says who? A few months ago Hammam was within inches of accepting £10m that was a definite
cut and run job. Nobody knows ANYTHING on this board other than what Sam WANTS his boys to
hear. I can see it shrouded in secrecy for ever too. As part of any deal. How do you know nothing
was found. Nobody was saying "i bet he gets f**k all" - they were saying "I HOPE he gets f**k all''

So much for HIS people saying he'd hang on til 2016 cos he holds all the cards eh

I honestly can't believe that we are looking at putting this guy on the board. We were bloody circus last time and it'll be even worse with him back again. I thought the club had learnt from past mistakes but it would seem not.

If it gets debts converted to equity by tan i dont see how it matters if sams back, which is money in to the club rather than tan paying him off i guess, eitherway we all wanted the so called debt free club out of this if langston is gone its tans turn then to deliver

Tans been delivering for a while now give him some credit ffs.

Credit for a rebrand dropped on city fans with a noose attached to it for fans who dont agree with everything he does at the price of money, yes hes got us up and we are being propped up monthly to get by but he will get it back just like the man whos comming back in. The main point is here IF THERE WAS NO DEBT TO EQUITY PROMISE in the 1st place there would have been no rebrand, so now langston are going its tans part of the deal he offered, as i couldnt give two hoots about players or whats being bought for training camps as the debt to equity always over rode anything else for me as a club to carry on running.

Tans been true to his word,give it time and he'll sort the debt as he's promised.
I don't believe your not interested in the players that have been brought to the club and the players that are on their way this summer ready for our assault on the premier courtesy of tan.Go on thank him its not hard.

Then your wrong i couldnt of cared less about players when the rebrand come, eitherway nobody had a choice this is what was delt us yet all most wanted out of it was this debt to equity sorted and now langston is going to be sorted then tan will convert like he promnised, if he does not then the shit will hit the fan because thats all alot of fans wanted was a so called debt free club out of the rebrand.

[quote="ihatealiens"]God fecking help us if this slimeball gets on the board again. Down the divisions we will go if he has his hands anywhere near the purse strings. Big mistake offering him a place on the board.[/


It'll no doubt be an honorary seat on the board of directors in lieu of a smaller debt settlement and a handful of shares. He'll have as much to do with the purse strings as one of the waitresses who puts ice in the drinks in the hospitality lounge. Sam want to save as much face as possible which is fair enough. If it means we can move the club forward, that's fine by me

I honestly can't believe that we are looking at putting this guy on the board. We were bloody circus last time and it'll be even worse with him back again. I thought the club had learnt from past mistakes but it would seem not.

Circus, was that when he took us from the bottom of the lowest league playing in front of three thousand crowds, up to six points clear at the top of the championship in front of twenty thousand crowds, people must love a circus.

It will be this hot weather and free ice creams up The Beacons that will clinch the deal

( i'm in the know, you know ) FFS.

I said a long, long time ago that there was nothing to be found. A lot of people shot me down, with their wait and see bullshit.

Well come on then you gobshites - form an orderly queue to apologise

Or are you all going to go all Vicky Pollard - "yeah but, no but...."

Says who? A few months ago Hammam was within inches of accepting £10m that was a definite
cut and run job. Nobody knows ANYTHING on this board other than what Sam WANTS his boys to
hear. I can see it shrouded in secrecy for ever too. As part of any deal. How do you know nothing
was found. Nobody was saying "i bet he gets f**k all" - they were saying "I HOPE he gets f**k all''

So much for HIS people saying he'd hang on til 2016 cos he holds all the cards eh

No he wasn't, Sam was never prepared to settle for a ten million pound pay off and go settlement, wrong again.
Tan knows if he hangs on until 2016 the amount due will be even bigger with all the interest payments that come into play.

God fecking help us if this slimeball gets on the board again. Down the divisions we will go if he has his hands anywhere near the purse strings. Big mistake offering him a place on the board.

Why down the divisions, all he ever did at the clubs he run was climb them, never been relegated when he was in charge anywhere.

Agree with you gender ,he didnt give a shit about the club when it was needed hes a crook and savaged the club,and now hes gonna waltz back in on the board ,great ,the only thing Tan proably wants him for his whatever football knowledge he has as Tan doesnt have any,still no doubt the sam fan will welcome him back,Tan will have to watch himself cos sam cant help but build his ego up with media appearances.

NONE of his groupies have ever answered as to why he never told his best best buddies he was running up
a £20m+ loan against the Club. They were ALL in the same boat as the rest of us, he told them it was his
money and the ''debt would leave with him" -

As for his football knowledge? Paying average players massive wages and still failing to get us promotion
hardly puts him in the Sir Alex Ferguson bracket

I have seen this claim previously, it was common knowledge and never hidden that the loan was made to us by Citi Bank, hence the quotes people throw up about debt is good, meaning unless you can cover it, you don't get the loan.
When Citi bank called the loan in, Sam/langston covered the loaned and didn't even ask for it to be secured against club assets.

No one except for those that only read the snippets they want to thought differently, plenty of proof and coverage at all times with regard to Citi Banks involvement.

So when he was saying he was spending his own money, and would never leave the Club in debt you knew
it was bullshit???

Well thanks for keeping that to yourself Gwyn.

You must be the only person that didn't know the money was originally loaned to us by Citi Bank.
It's a bit like me borrowing twenty thousand pound off the building society to do up my house and increase it's value, my loan,against me, but their money,
When you leave school you will find these things out as you go along.

I'm all cummy fingered as you put it because a deal has been struck which means it costs the club nothing to settle the langston debt and the other debts are turned into equity by VT, isn't that the best option/

At least you won't have to jump the fences now, eh Gwyn?

I said I'd do that if we found out he was shafting us and setting us up for a short term asset strip type of manouvre, his actions so far don't seem to look that way though , do they?

No Freudina slip. I said quote Weren't the ITK posters confident that Sam would not get a penny and that the forensic accountants would uncover the whole sordid affair and he would wind up in jail not back on the board. Sherlock

These were claims made by many, personally It don't concern or involve me whether Sam is langston, part of it or not, same it is to me.What difference does it make either way.

Sam won't be getting a penny then, Langston will?

Don't think Sam or Langston will be getting a penny, but they will get a say on the board and a good share deal I would imagine.

It makes a massive difference if Sam is Langston or not. Sam ran up a debt, sold that on to Citibanc - and then ran up further debts until it was no longer servicable and Citibanc called it in. Given that Sam Langston then took on the debt, it could be argued that he'd engineered the mounting debt with Citibanc to be beneficial to himself - with the club liable for it, not him.

Sam didn't sell the loan to Citi Bank, Sam took over the responsibility for the loan and paid Cit bank the twenty four million for the privilege.
As for engineered the debt, is this the debt run up when setting up and academy, upgrading Ninian park because it had failed the safety standards and would have been closed, covering the Grangend and upgrading all the facilities along with purchasing a squad of players that took us top the top of the Championship, that debt you mean.

And what happened to the "when I leave, the debt goes with me". Oh I forgot, we're not paying Sam are we?

No Freudina slip. I said quote Weren't the ITK posters confident that Sam would not get a penny and that the forensic accountants would uncover the whole sordid affair and he would wind up in jail not back on the board. Sherlock

These were claims made by many, personally It don't concern or involve me whether Sam is langston, part of it or not, same it is to me.What difference does it make either way.

Sam won't be getting a penny then, Langston will?

It makes a massive difference if Sam is Langston or not. Sam ran up a debt, sold that on to Citibanc - and then ran up further debts until it was no longer servicable and Citibanc called it in. Given that Sam Langston then took on the debt, it could be argued that he'd engineered the mounting debt with Citibanc to be beneficial to himself - with the club liable for it, not him.

And what happened to the "when I leave, the debt goes with me". Oh I forgot, we're not paying Sam are we?

a High Court Judge pretty much summed up that the whole Langstone affair STANK of Sam Hammam.

But dont let that put the disciples off

He wouldnt lie to them you know. They are far more special than the special friends he had at Wimbledon.

I'm pretty sure Langston stank of Sam as you say, either it was him, his family, or associates or a hedge fund he was involved in, but either way, who cares, what difference does it make to us.

It's a bit like Stig, so we find out who he is, so fecking what, it's still Stig and he drives cars.