CARDIFF & FK SARAJEVO ANNOUNCE PARTNERSHIP

I'm wary of us doing a Watford here, although I'm aware that Watford are the smaller team in partnership with Udinese...

I love the way you can still see Tans belt well above the table lol

Not sure if this will benefit our young players or not?

I mean how good is the Bosnian premier league? Surley we would be better loaning players out to Scottish or championship clubs?

Not sure at all about this deal.

is the same as Slovenian

in this is not about CCFC players play in Sarajevo but their young players play in CCFC to develop for every other team ... it's about helping FC Sarajevo mostly ..

I think there is more to this deal than just sending our youngsters there to get experience. We have began scouting in South America and if Malky wants to sign a youngster from South America, or any other part of the world outside of the EU, these youngsters will not be able to obtain a work permit to join us unless they have already won enough caps for their national team.

I can see Malky signing some young South American's and then sending them on loan to Sarajevo for a few seasons to continue their development and to eventually be granted a work permit so they are eligable to play for us. I remember Chelsea sending their defender, Alex, on loan to PSV for a couple of seasons because he couldn't obtain a work permit with Chelsea directly. This is also why you see lots of Brazilian's playing in countries such as the Ukraine for Shahktar etc.

Was in Bosnia a few months back, great place.

Their fans mental.

Hellou,i'm from Bosnia and Herzegovina,Sarajevo.I'm fan of Football Club Sarajevo,and i'm very happy to cooperation beetween Sarajevo and Cardiff.

I'd like to introduce you to our fans in a couple of video clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBie4POZMzY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLUA-giDUvE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmWskE6Zgo

Hellou,i'm from Bosnia and Herzegovina,Sarajevo.I'm fan of Football Club Sarajevo,and i'm very happy to cooperation beetween Sarajevo and Cardiff.

I'd like to introduce you to our fans in a couple of video clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBie4POZMzY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLUA-giDUvE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmWskE6Zgo

Think we need some of you to come to Cardiff.

Hellou,i'm from Bosnia and Herzegovina,Sarajevo.I'm fan of Football Club Sarajevo,and i'm very happy to cooperation beetween Sarajevo and Cardiff.

I'd like to introduce you to our fans in a couple of video clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBie4POZMzY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLUA-giDUvE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmWskE6Zgo

Would be good for maybe the two set of fans to make a flag? The bluebird is what we are and what our emblem is, so maybe we could incorporate the Bluebird with what means the most to the Sarajevo fans?

They've got some lovely looking fans

Not sure if this will benefit our young players or not?

I mean how good is the Bosnian premier league? Surley we would be better loaning players out to Scottish or championship clubs?

Not sure at all about this deal.

Well United have a similar partnership with Royal Antwerp, who are in the Belgian Second Division.

Said partnership helped the careers of Jonny Evans, John O'Shea, Darron Gibson, Ryan Shawcross, Tom Heaton, and even our very own Fraizer Campbell.

If the Belgian Second Division can help those players to become proven Premier League and Championship talent, I see no reason why the Bosnian Premier League couldn't. Plus, Sarjevo they play in the Europa League, which would be fantastic experience for upcoming City talent.

Was aware of the Man U partnership but I didn't realise they were in the Belgian second division though! Looks like if it's done properly It can be beneficial perhaps. Will wait and see!

Google translate is so shite

I know.

You get the rough on the news, though. We'll all have to learn Bosnian from now on.

I can barely speak English let alone learn a whole new language.

A confession BB?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2ZVZ_crzygQualifications for the league champions have kicked Genk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJYZ3iyJ_iY

Another FKS fan here. I'm happy to see this partnership and I hope it works out for both Cardiff and Sarajevo.

Here's our director talking about the cooperation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CopPmeQkQ

Has the 3rd qualifying round for europa league already been drawn? If they get through the second round they could draw the jacks, could we send bellers, fraizer, kimbo and a-corn on a week long loan to give them some game time..

Hello, another FKS fan here

Firstly, Sarajevo is the greatest and the most successful club from Bosnia and Herzegovina, and i'm very glad to see this cooperation beetween Cardiff and FKS.

here is something from archives:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3gdE1iq8v4
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And our fans... simply the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy70HnhYcgU

Hello, another FKS fan here

Firstly, Sarajevo is the greatest and the most successful club from Bosnia and Herzegovina, and i'm very glad to see this cooperation beetween Cardiff and FKS.

here is something from archives:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3gdE1iq8v4
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And our fans... simply the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy70HnhYcgU

They are gorgeous!! (The females)
Your lot are a proper passionate bunch and I'm sure the atmosphere over there beats ours by a long shot!
At least we're linked with the most successful club in Bosnia and not settling for second best, who are your main rivals and what would you describe your derby like?

Anyone fancy going to the derby match
FK Sarajevo v FK Željezničar

Watch the Horde Zla in action

I hope that both clubs can benefit from this partnership

Welcome to Sarajevo guys

So are we the big brother in this deal?

I think so

I'm guessing it may be a deal similar to that between Man Utd and Royal Antwerp...

Young Fraizer played for Antwerp on loan a while back, scoring 21 in 33. Perhaps some of our youngsters could head out to Sarajevo to play regular football?

What? Is Europa League experience no good for 18-21 year-old footballers looking for time on the pitch?

No, the way in which you referred to a player implying that you know him personally. Cringe

Hello, another FKS fan here

Firstly, Sarajevo is the greatest and the most successful club from Bosnia and Herzegovina, and i'm very glad to see this cooperation beetween Cardiff and FKS.

here is something from archives:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3gdE1iq8v4
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And our fans... simply the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy70HnhYcgU

They are gorgeous!! (The females)
Your lot are a proper passionate bunch and I'm sure the atmosphere over there beats ours by a long shot!
At least we're linked with the most successful club in Bosnia and not settling for second best, who are your main rivals and what would you describe your derby like?

Hi lads,
Our derby (FK Sarajevo vs FK Zeljeznicar) is most of the time fierce at the stands, and calm in the city it self. Because in the same family can be fans of both rivals. Also fans of one team do not come from just one part of the city, like Boca and River Plate, or I supose in London. So we pretty much know each other, and usually there are no big organized fights between two sides. However, this is changing in the last year or so. Some fights have been organized between "first crew members". Traditionally, we joke and teese each other, and avoid seeing people if God forbid your team is the one who lost. For our group - Horde zla, much more intense is the game with NK Siroki Brijeg, in the sence of viollence, not football and prestige. That is because one of our guys has been killed in the riots that happend before away game in Siroki in year 2009. He has been shot dead by ex cop, who fleed to Croatia and never got penalty for his crime.
Our group has frendly relations with Ultras Dynamo from Dresden, Germany.
Usually we prefer what we like to call - Balkans style of supportnig. It is a unique mix between argentinian, italian, greek, turkish, and our own style.
Who are your biggest rivals, and what is that derby like?

So are we the big brother in this deal?

Why does the size of our club matter with so many City fans?

Because size is important. Yes it does depend on how you use it, but in the end it is size that matters.

Ask any woman interested in football and she will verify this.

Hello, another FKS fan here

Firstly, Sarajevo is the greatest and the most successful club from Bosnia and Herzegovina, and i'm very glad to see this cooperation beetween Cardiff and FKS.

here is something from archives:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3gdE1iq8v4
_____________________________


_____________________________

And our fans... simply the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy70HnhYcgU

They are gorgeous!! (The females)
Your lot are a proper passionate bunch and I'm sure the atmosphere over there beats ours by a long shot!
At least we're linked with the most successful club in Bosnia and not settling for second best, who are your main rivals and what would you describe your derby like?

Hi lads,
Our derby (FK Sarajevo vs FK Zeljeznicar) is most of the time fierce at the stands, and calm in the city it self. Because in the same family can be fans of both rivals. Also fans of one team do not come from just one part of the city, like Boca and River Plate, or I supose in London. So we pretty much know each other, and usually there are no big organized fights between two sides. However, this is changing in the last year or so. Some fights have been organized between "first crew members". Traditionally, we joke and teese each other, and avoid seeing people if God forbid your team is the one who lost. For our group - Horde zla, much more intense is the game with NK Siroki Brijeg, in the sence of viollence, not football and prestige. That is because one of our guys has been killed in the riots that happend before away game in Siroki in year 2009. He has been shot dead by ex cop, who fleed to Croatia and never got penalty for his crime.
Our group has frendly relations with Ultras Dynamo from Dresden, Germany.
Usually we prefer what we like to call - Balkans style of supportnig. It is a unique mix between argentinian, italian, greek, turkish, and our own style.
Who are your biggest rivals, and what is that derby like?

That sounds incredible but sort of similar to ours. It shows you guys have an extreme passion for the game but at the time can laugh and joke with your rival fans. What's your thoughts on the violence then? Would you say despite being a team that has a large backing of ultra fans(usually over here if you are seen as an Ultra you are seen as violent)

Our biggest rival is Swansea, we are fourty miles away from them. Our derby this season will be the first since the birth of the Premier League which will be beamed onto the world stage. Some of our support reaches areas of Swansea which makes our fans laugh and joke when it comes to things. Our derby can get very heated, violence is hard to happen because of the police restrictions. The derby is brilliant though, you may have seen Glasgow Celtic vs Glasgow Rangers, I'd put it just behind that, it means a lot to us as us and Swansea are the two biggest teams in Wales

Hello, another FKS fan here

Firstly, Sarajevo is the greatest and the most successful club from Bosnia and Herzegovina, and i'm very glad to see this cooperation beetween Cardiff and FKS.

here is something from archives:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3gdE1iq8v4
_____________________________


_____________________________

And our fans... simply the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy70HnhYcgU

They are gorgeous!! (The females)
Your lot are a proper passionate bunch and I'm sure the atmosphere over there beats ours by a long shot!
At least we're linked with the most successful club in Bosnia and not settling for second best, who are your main rivals and what would you describe your derby like?

Hi lads,
Our derby (FK Sarajevo vs FK Zeljeznicar) is most of the time fierce at the stands, and calm in the city it self. Because in the same family can be fans of both rivals. Also fans of one team do not come from just one part of the city, like Boca and River Plate, or I supose in London. So we pretty much know each other, and usually there are no big organized fights between two sides. However, this is changing in the last year or so. Some fights have been organized between "first crew members". Traditionally, we joke and teese each other, and avoid seeing people if God forbid your team is the one who lost. For our group - Horde zla, much more intense is the game with NK Siroki Brijeg, in the sence of viollence, not football and prestige. That is because one of our guys has been killed in the riots that happend before away game in Siroki in year 2009. He has been shot dead by ex cop, who fleed to Croatia and never got penalty for his crime.
Our group has frendly relations with Ultras Dynamo from Dresden, Germany.
Usually we prefer what we like to call - Balkans style of supportnig. It is a unique mix between argentinian, italian, greek, turkish, and our own style.
Who are your biggest rivals, and what is that derby like?

That sounds incredible but sort of similar to ours. It shows you guys have an extreme passion for the game but at the time can laugh and joke with your rival fans. What's your thoughts on the violence then? Would you say despite being a team that has a large backing of ultra fans(usually over here if you are seen as an Ultra you are seen as violent)

Our biggest rival is Swansea, we are fourty miles away from them. Our derby this season will be the first since the birth of the Premier League which will be beamed onto the world stage. Some of our support reaches areas of Swansea which makes our fans laugh and joke when it comes to things. Our derby can get very heated, violence is hard to happen because of the police restrictions. The derby is brilliant though, you may have seen Glasgow Celtic vs Glasgow Rangers, I'd put it just behind that, it means a lot to us as us and Swansea are the two biggest teams in Wales

Well, I'd say that the crew isn't looking for trouble, but if it occures they won't run away from it. I say they, because there are two groups of fans. One are Horde zla, who are ultra, and they are on the north stand. And there are "Pitari" (roughly translated as pie-man) who are on the east stand, and mostly we are older guys who were Horde zla memebers in the past. Now not so much ultra, trying to make a mixture of waching the game and chanting. Not just going crazy all 90 minutes
Violence can happen on the derby maches, but most probably on maches between clubs whose supporters nationalists. You see, in Bosnia there are still tensions on national basis, between serbs, croats and muslims. We see ourselvs as bosnians, and in our group there are all three nationalities. So if we play with teams who have ultra nationalist supporters, violence is most likely to occure. Mostly on away maches, because other groups don't come to Sarajevo in big numbers that often.
Other than that, sometimes, when playing european maches, Horde zla are looking for foreign supporters to "make contact". But is allways about punching, maybe throwing some stones, stealing scarfs or banners, but no useing knifes, as we are strongly against it. Lately there hasn't been some riots, since football federation has banned away supporters from going to maches, because some incidents happend. In last season ban has been removed, and no mayor incident has happend since.
The last big incident that took place in our stadion was two years ago, and it was against our clubs CEO, and members of directors board. Neadless to say, they resigned!

THIS IS SARAJEVO!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7X_56x4Jek

Hello, another FKS fan here

Firstly, Sarajevo is the greatest and the most successful club from Bosnia and Herzegovina, and i'm very glad to see this cooperation beetween Cardiff and FKS.

here is something from archives:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3gdE1iq8v4
_____________________________


_____________________________

And our fans... simply the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy70HnhYcgU

They are gorgeous!! (The females)
Your lot are a proper passionate bunch and I'm sure the atmosphere over there beats ours by a long shot!
At least we're linked with the most successful club in Bosnia and not settling for second best, who are your main rivals and what would you describe your derby like?

Hi lads,
Our derby (FK Sarajevo vs FK Zeljeznicar) is most of the time fierce at the stands, and calm in the city it self. Because in the same family can be fans of both rivals. Also fans of one team do not come from just one part of the city, like Boca and River Plate, or I supose in London. So we pretty much know each other, and usually there are no big organized fights between two sides. However, this is changing in the last year or so. Some fights have been organized between "first crew members". Traditionally, we joke and teese each other, and avoid seeing people if God forbid your team is the one who lost. For our group - Horde zla, much more intense is the game with NK Siroki Brijeg, in the sence of viollence, not football and prestige. That is because one of our guys has been killed in the riots that happend before away game in Siroki in year 2009. He has been shot dead by ex cop, who fleed to Croatia and never got penalty for his crime.
Our group has frendly relations with Ultras Dynamo from Dresden, Germany.
Usually we prefer what we like to call - Balkans style of supportnig. It is a unique mix between argentinian, italian, greek, turkish, and our own style.
Who are your biggest rivals, and what is that derby like?

That sounds incredible but sort of similar to ours. It shows you guys have an extreme passion for the game but at the time can laugh and joke with your rival fans. What's your thoughts on the violence then? Would you say despite being a team that has a large backing of ultra fans(usually over here if you are seen as an Ultra you are seen as violent)

Our biggest rival is Swansea, we are fourty miles away from them. Our derby this season will be the first since the birth of the Premier League which will be beamed onto the world stage. Some of our support reaches areas of Swansea which makes our fans laugh and joke when it comes to things. Our derby can get very heated, violence is hard to happen because of the police restrictions. The derby is brilliant though, you may have seen Glasgow Celtic vs Glasgow Rangers, I'd put it just behind that, it means a lot to us as us and Swansea are the two biggest teams in Wales

Well, I'd say that the crew isn't looking for trouble, but if it occures they won't run away from it. I say they, because there are two groups of fans. One are Horde zla, who are ultra, and they are on the north stand. And there are "Pitari" (roughly translated as pie-man) who are on the east stand, and mostly we are older guys who were Horde zla memebers in the past. Now not so much ultra, trying to make a mixture of waching the game and chanting. Not just going crazy all 90 minutes
Violence can happen on the derby maches, but most probably on maches between clubs whose supporters nationalists. You see, in Bosnia there are still tensions on national basis, between serbs, croats and muslims. We see ourselvs as bosnians, and in our group there are all three nationalities. So if we play with teams who have ultra nationalist supporters, violence is most likely to occure. Mostly on away maches, because other groups don't come to Sarajevo in big numbers that often.
Other than that, sometimes, when playing european maches, Horde zla are looking for foreign supporters to "make contact". But is allways about punching, maybe throwing some stones, stealing scarfs or banners, but no useing knifes, as we are strongly against it. Lately there hasn't been some riots, since football federation has banned away supporters from going to maches, because some incidents happend. In last season ban has been removed, and no mayor incident has happend since.
The last big incident that took place in our stadion was two years ago, and it was against our clubs CEO, and members of directors board. Neadless to say, they resigned!

That proves a lot that passion is still there for your team, It's good to see that there is a balance between the two on ultras and normal fans but can still understand sometimes why violence comes into place. The atmosphere at Sarajevo created by the fans must be incredible. Is stealing scarfs/banners a thing then? I seem to remember a Russian side taking a Liverpool flag, turning it upside down and vandalising it. Would you be happy if Cardiff and Sarajevo made a fag? What would you say is your emblem is? Like for example we have a Bluebird which means a lot to us. Horde Zla looks incredible on how they make an atmosphere and the support is there for Sarajevo with 19,000 fans on Facebook

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Could incorporate the Bluebird onto the football on your badge as an idea for a flag

Could incorporate the Bluebird onto the football on your badge as an idea for a flag

Crests that Kulin118 posted are:

1. FK Sarajevo - the club
2. Horde Zla - ultra fan group
3. Old flag of Bosnia and Herzegovina
4. Sarajevo - city emblem

If you are proposing that we officialy cahanging any crest of ours, FKS or Horde Zla - NO! Never gonna happen! If making something for fun, like this http://www.zedge.net/wallpaper/8533118/ ... horde-zla/
that would be OK. But first if some of you guys would come to Sarajevo, or on one of our european maches to meet us, and make friendly relationship. Someone said we should come to Cardiff. That is verry hard to happen. Because we need visa, and trip would be to costly for most of us. If the friendly mach should be organized, you are wellcome.
And no, we don't have any emblem other than our crest, no birds, no lions or anything of that kind. I am sure that the Bluebird is something that you cherish, but we wouldn't allow anything to change to our club that would suggest that we are now only franchise of yours or anyone elses. Not changing our crest, name or colours.
As for the stealing scarfs or banners, it is humilating to loose one, so we sometimes try to get them from opposing sides, and burn them on stands during the mach. But we don't collect them for a year or so, we burn them right away. It is not as important as in Poland or in Greece, but still it is fun!

Hello, another FKS fan here

Firstly, Sarajevo is the greatest and the most successful club from Bosnia and Herzegovina, and i'm very glad to see this cooperation beetween Cardiff and FKS.

here is something from archives:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3gdE1iq8v4
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_____________________________

And our fans... simply the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy70HnhYcgU

They are gorgeous!! (The females)
Your lot are a proper passionate bunch and I'm sure the atmosphere over there beats ours by a long shot!
At least we're linked with the most successful club in Bosnia and not settling for second best, who are your main rivals and what would you describe your derby like?

Hi lads,
Our derby (FK Sarajevo vs FK Zeljeznicar) is most of the time fierce at the stands, and calm in the city it self. Because in the same family can be fans of both rivals. Also fans of one team do not come from just one part of the city, like Boca and River Plate, or I supose in London. So we pretty much know each other, and usually there are no big organized fights between two sides. However, this is changing in the last year or so. Some fights have been organized between "first crew members". Traditionally, we joke and teese each other, and avoid seeing people if God forbid your team is the one who lost. For our group - Horde zla, much more intense is the game with NK Siroki Brijeg, in the sence of viollence, not football and prestige. That is because one of our guys has been killed in the riots that happend before away game in Siroki in year 2009. He has been shot dead by ex cop, who fleed to Croatia and never got penalty for his crime.
Our group has frendly relations with Ultras Dynamo from Dresden, Germany.
Usually we prefer what we like to call - Balkans style of supportnig. It is a unique mix between argentinian, italian, greek, turkish, and our own style.
Who are your biggest rivals, and what is that derby like?

That sounds incredible but sort of similar to ours. It shows you guys have an extreme passion for the game but at the time can laugh and joke with your rival fans. What's your thoughts on the violence then? Would you say despite being a team that has a large backing of ultra fans(usually over here if you are seen as an Ultra you are seen as violent)

Our biggest rival is Swansea, we are fourty miles away from them. Our derby this season will be the first since the birth of the Premier League which will be beamed onto the world stage. Some of our support reaches areas of Swansea which makes our fans laugh and joke when it comes to things. Our derby can get very heated, violence is hard to happen because of the police restrictions. The derby is brilliant though, you may have seen Glasgow Celtic vs Glasgow Rangers, I'd put it just behind that, it means a lot to us as us and Swansea are the two biggest teams in Wales

Well, I'd say that the crew isn't looking for trouble, but if it occures they won't run away from it. I say they, because there are two groups of fans. One are Horde zla, who are ultra, and they are on the north stand. And there are "Pitari" (roughly translated as pie-man) who are on the east stand, and mostly we are older guys who were Horde zla memebers in the past. Now not so much ultra, trying to make a mixture of waching the game and chanting. Not just going crazy all 90 minutes
Violence can happen on the derby maches, but most probably on maches between clubs whose supporters nationalists. You see, in Bosnia there are still tensions on national basis, between serbs, croats and muslims. We see ourselvs as bosnians, and in our group there are all three nationalities. So if we play with teams who have ultra nationalist supporters, violence is most likely to occure. Mostly on away maches, because other groups don't come to Sarajevo in big numbers that often.
Other than that, sometimes, when playing european maches, Horde zla are looking for foreign supporters to "make contact". But is allways about punching, maybe throwing some stones, stealing scarfs or banners, but no useing knifes, as we are strongly against it. Lately there hasn't been some riots, since football federation has banned away supporters from going to maches, because some incidents happend. In last season ban has been removed, and no mayor incident has happend since.
The last big incident that took place in our stadion was two years ago, and it was against our clubs CEO, and members of directors board. Neadless to say, they resigned!

That proves a lot that passion is still there for your team, It's good to see that there is a balance between the two on ultras and normal fans but can still understand sometimes why violence comes into place. The atmosphere at Sarajevo created by the fans must be incredible. Is stealing scarfs/banners a thing then? I seem to remember a Russian side taking a Liverpool flag, turning it upside down and vandalising it. Would you be happy if Cardiff and Sarajevo made a fag? What would you say is your emblem is? Like for example we have a Bluebird which means a lot to us. Horde Zla looks incredible on how they make an atmosphere and the support is there for Sarajevo with 19,000 fans on Facebook

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Flag - why not?

Also, this is FK Sarajevo's official fb page (52k) - https://www.facebook.com/FudbalskiKlubSarajevo