TLG on Bluebirds Unite

I don't agree with the description of Tan as a "dictator". I would describe Tan as a very shrewd, & success driven business man,,,very objective,,& a person who wont accept failure in any of his business ventures, of which Cardiff City FC is one.

For him our re-brand was very, very simple.

Apart from that, i agree with what Dave said. There's a "point of readiness" in every one's life,,,regarding anything personal.

I respect DS's decision, & i hope that time does heal for him,,, & the others that have taken the same stance.

He dictated how the club was to look etc... No choice or votes.. Just dictated.

f**k off we all got to vote on the choice of shorts colour

It looks to me TLG was about to give up before the rebrand. The rebrand was the final nail in the coffin for him. For some though it was like being in a boxing match, things are going well then alright hook catches you off guard. They manage to get up in shock only to be caught by another right hook. For me that first hook was the rebrand and the second one was Blue Tuesday, that finished me off.

As far as claiming BU are wasting their time well it depends how you look at it. I get the impression people are thinking that BU main intention is to change Tans mind. That is well of the mark if you think that. BU has been born to keep the blue alive be it with Tans reign or some new owner coming in. As long as there is support for the blue BU will remain regardless how many pass through the doors of authority.

Says he regretted how much time he wasted in getting so involved yet has spent the 12 months in City exile constantly talking about the rebrand. Hmmmmmm.

I doubt a few posts online mean feck all time wise in his lifeto what he was like before polo

A few posts??. Hes writes post after post, blog after blog about it and even turned up at the stadium to get his mush on the TV to have his say, calling up radio stations.etc. He might not go in the stadium anymore but he has far from cut all his ties with City.

Agree with this too, he's still hanging on. (and has every right to, if he wants)

Of course he has every right, just wish people would stop making out hes this great f*cking martyr for the cause.

Hes not Jesus Christ, hes just some geezer who decided he didnt want to follow his football team anymore.

Hes a geezer who passionately decided enough was enough. but he gives no quarter to those that have
passionately followed the City longer than him who might have thought "enough is enough" of relegation battles
and same shit different day. Many of those who have swallowed the red have been season tickets for decades.
So its not as clear cut as this martyr would have us think. I PERSONALLY am blue all day long. I HATE the red but
f**k me how can i lord it over people in their 60s who have decided to put up with the red in the expectation that
Tan wont be here forever? TLG is as gutted about losing a blog followers as he is about losing the Blue

I don't agree with the description of Tan as a "dictator". I would describe Tan as a very shrewd, & success driven business man,,,very objective,,& a person who wont accept failure in any of his business ventures, of which Cardiff City FC is one.

For him our re-brand was very, very simple.

Apart from that, i agree with what Dave said. There's a "point of readiness" in every one's life,,,regarding anything personal.

I respect DS's decision, & i hope that time does heal for him,,, & the others that have taken the same stance.

So the rebrand was a shrewd business decision
Next thing you'll tell me is that we got promoted as we were playing in red

I don't agree with the description of Tan as a "dictator". I would describe Tan as a very shrewd, & success driven business man,,,very objective,,& a person who wont accept failure in any of his business ventures, of which Cardiff City FC is one.

For him our re-brand was very, very simple.

Apart from that, i agree with what Dave said. There's a "point of readiness" in every one's life,,,regarding anything personal.

I respect DS's decision, & i hope that time does heal for him,,, & the others that have taken the same stance.

So the rebrand was a shrewd business decision
Next thing you'll tell me is that we got promoted as we were playing in red

I didn't say that, did I???

How ever, while you've raised the question, what exactly was the re-brand about then, please tell me,,because i don't know the answer!

Any other takers?^^^ Does any body know the answer?

Did VT really convince 51% of the Cardiff City board that re-branding was the way forward,,,or did he really put a gun to their heads??

I don't know, i really don't. But i find it hard to believe that his plans were sanctioned without any protests or rejection, at board level anyway.

If indeed they were, but shot down in flames so to speak, then that's another matter.

I like TLG's morality on this issue, Intelligent guy and a good writer. The sort of man you'd want in the trenches if the Germans tried it on again.

Yeah morality, intelligence and an ability to write blogs would have been essential for WW1 trench warfare.
Anyone else noticed that every time he writes on this, or the other board it turns into more than one pagers? I'm sure his ego has
and you just fed it pal.

Football is not how it used to be, There's more important things in life and I just wish everyone can enjoy the success Cardiff City are having right now

Tan's not a dictator he owns the club effectively he can do what he wants with it without some know it alls on the internet calling him a dictator. He came in an saved us whether you like it or not, I don't like the rebrand, I never will but Tan has put his hard earned cash into the club so he can what he likes.

Tan's not a dictator he owns the club effectively he can do what he wants with it without some know it alls on the internet calling him a dictator. He came in an saved us whether you like it or not, I don't like the rebrand, I never will but Tan has put his hard earned cash into the club so he can what he likes.

correct.
we were losing a million a month,we were going only one way,BUST.

Tan's not a dictator he owns the club effectively he can do what he wants with it without some know it alls on the internet calling him a dictator. He came in an saved us whether you like it or not, I don't like the rebrand, I never will but Tan has put his hard earned cash into the club so he can what he likes.

correct.
we were losing a million a month,we were going only one way,BUST.

We still are losing a million a month its just being soaked up in to another debt

Tan's not a dictator he owns the club effectively he can do what he wants with it without some know it alls on the internet calling him a dictator. He came in an saved us whether you like it or not, I don't like the rebrand, I never will but Tan has put his hard earned cash into the club so he can what he likes.

correct.
we were losing a million a month,we were going only one way,BUST.

Since the Malaysians have been in control we have been losing £1 million a month.

Tan's not a dictator he owns the club effectively he can do what he wants with it without some know it alls on the internet calling him a dictator. He came in an saved us whether you like it or not, I don't like the rebrand, I never will but Tan has put his hard earned cash into the club so he can what he likes.

correct.
we were losing a million a month,we were going only one way,BUST.

Since the Malaysians have been in control we have been losing £1 million a month.

this is what i don,t get ian.tan cranks up a million a month debt yet the fans think he is a hero because you,d go bust if it wasn,t for tan?hello he made half the debt.if he does go debt to equatity he will ,on a one hundred million debt award himself seven million free shares.please tell me if i got this wrong

Tan's not a dictator he owns the club effectively he can do what he wants with it without some know it alls on the internet calling him a dictator. He came in an saved us whether you like it or not, I don't like the rebrand, I never will but Tan has put his hard earned cash into the club so he can what he likes.

correct.
we were losing a million a month,we were going only one way,BUST.

Since the Malaysians have been in control we have been losing £1 million a month.

Well said, some people ignore what they don't want to see.

Tan's not a dictator he owns the club effectively he can do what he wants with it without some know it alls on the internet calling him a dictator. He came in an saved us whether you like it or not, I don't like the rebrand, I never will but Tan has put his hard earned cash into the club so he can what he likes.

correct.
we were losing a million a month,we were going only one way,BUST.

Since the Malaysians have been in control we have been losing £1 million a month.

this is what i don,t get ian.tan cranks up a million a month debt yet the fans think he is a hero because you,d go bust if it wasn,t for tan?hello he made half the debt.if he does go debt to equatity he will ,on a one hundred million debt award himself seven million free shares.please tell me if i got this wrong

however many shares he gets doesn't bother me,City will be debt free.

I don't agree with the description of Tan as a "dictator". I would describe Tan as a very shrewd, & success driven business man,,,very objective,,& a person who wont accept failure in any of his business ventures, of which Cardiff City FC is one.

For him our re-brand was very, very simple.

Apart from that, i agree with what Dave said. There's a "point of readiness" in every one's life,,,regarding anything personal.

I respect DS's decision, & i hope that time does heal for him,,, & the others that have taken the same stance.

So the rebrand was a shrewd business decision
Next thing you'll tell me is that we got promoted as we were playing in red

I didn't say that, did I???

How ever, while you've raised the question, what exactly was the re-brand about then, please tell me,,because i don't know the answer!

Maybe not, but that's the impression I got from your post.
In my opinion the rebrand was a the whim of someone who's used to getting his own way.
On your other point. I think the board, like a lot of our support, were blackmailed into accepting his vision as the only vision and alternative to going bust. Problem is, we're now more in debt than ever before and are now even less likely to survive without him.

Tan's not a dictator he owns the club effectively he can do what he wants with it without some know it alls on the internet calling him a dictator. He came in an saved us whether you like it or not, I don't like the rebrand, I never will but Tan has put his hard earned cash into the club so he can what he likes.

correct.
we were losing a million a month,we were going only one way,BUST.

Since the Malaysians have been in control we have been losing £1 million a month.

this is what i don,t get ian.tan cranks up a million a month debt yet the fans think he is a hero because you,d go bust if it wasn,t for tan?hello he made half the debt.if he does go debt to equatity he will ,on a one hundred million debt award himself seven million free shares.please tell me if i got this wrong

however many shares he gets doesn't bother me,City will be debt free.

If you believe that, you'll believe anything. We're now more in debt than ever before.

Tan's not a dictator he owns the club effectively he can do what he wants with it without some know it alls on the internet calling him a dictator. He came in an saved us whether you like it or not, I don't like the rebrand, I never will but Tan has put his hard earned cash into the club so he can what he likes.

correct.
we were losing a million a month,we were going only one way,BUST.

Since the Malaysians have been in control we have been losing £1 million a month.

this is what i don,t get ian.tan cranks up a million a month debt yet the fans think he is a hero because you,d go bust if it wasn,t for tan?hello he made half the debt.if he does go debt to equatity he will ,on a one hundred million debt award himself seven million free shares.please tell me if i got this wrong

however many shares he gets doesn't bother me,City will be debt free.

If you believe that, you'll believe anything. We're now more in debt than ever before.

but tan has never asked for a penny or have i missed something.

I don't agree with the description of Tan as a "dictator". I would describe Tan as a very shrewd, & success driven business man,,,very objective,,& a person who wont accept failure in any of his business ventures, of which Cardiff City FC is one.

For him our re-brand was very, very simple.

Apart from that, i agree with what Dave said. There's a "point of readiness" in every one's life,,,regarding anything personal.

I respect DS's decision, & i hope that time does heal for him,,, & the others that have taken the same stance.

So the rebrand was a shrewd business decision
Next thing you'll tell me is that we got promoted as we were playing in red

I didn't say that, did I???

How ever, while you've raised the question, what exactly was the re-brand about then, please tell me,,because i don't know the answer!

Maybe not, but that's the impression I got from your post.
In my opinion the rebrand was a the whim of someone who's used to getting his own way.
On your other point. I think the board, like a lot of our support, were blackmailed into accepting his vision as the only vision and alternative to going bust. Problem is, we're now more in debt than ever before and are now even less likely to survive without him.

If that's the impression you got, then it was the wrong one.

RICK+CCFC , I must admit mate, when I first seen your pic, I thought you was George Michael senior from arrested development mate, (no offence intended there btw)

Seems to me that Dave was ready to quit football, but needed the re-brand or some other reason to tip him over the edge.

That's very wide of the mark. In 2011/12, I attended every home game (as usual) and 23 away games. I ran coaches to many of them. The arrival of Malky Mackay as manager had reignited my enthusiasm for the club, which had previously slowly but surely begun to wane under Dave Jones. Quitting football hadn't even entered my mind as we left Upton Park after the play-off semi defeat and didn't do so until I attended the first of those fateful meetings at the stadium back in May last year after news of the re-brand had broken.

In retrospect, I think I was far too close to the action, so to speak. When you are sitting in the boardroom having a one-to-one meeting with the club's Chief Executive and he openly admits that you have as much idea regarding the strategy behind the re-brand as he does, then the game is effectively up. The man who had the responsibility for running the club on a day-to-day basis at that stage confirmed there was no business plan behind the changes and admitted he didn't have a clue why Tan was insisting on them, but said the board had no option but to accept them. "What Vincent wants, Vincent gets," he said. It was as simple as that, and I've no doubt he was right in what he said. But that doesn't mean to say the fans had to accept the situation. The fact that they did and, more importantly, the way that they did finished things for me personally. There was no way I could support Tan's whim or stand shoulder-to-shoulder with those who do.

Seems to me that Dave was ready to quit football, but needed the re-brand or some other reason to tip him over the edge.

That's very wide of the mark. In 2011/12, I attended every home game (as usual) and 23 away games. I ran coaches to many of them. The arrival of Malky Mackay as manager had reignited my enthusiasm for the club, which had previously slowly but surely begun to wane under Dave Jones. Quitting football hadn't even entered my mind as we left Upton Park after the play-off semi defeat and didn't do so until I attended the first of those fateful meetings at the stadium back in May last year after news of the re-brand had broken.

In retrospect, I think I was far too close to the action, so to speak. When you are sitting in the boardroom having a one-to-one meeting with the club's Chief Executive and he openly admits that you have as much idea regarding the strategy behind the re-brand as he does, then the game is effectively up. The man who had the responsibility for running the club on a day-to-day basis at that stage confirmed there was no business plan behind the changes and admitted he didn't have a clue why Tan was insisting on them, but said the board had no option but to accept them. "What Vincent wants, Vincent gets," he said. It was as simple as that, and I've no doubt he was right in what he said. But that doesn't mean to say the fans had to accept the situation. The fact that they did and, more importantly, the way that they did finished things for me personally. There was no way I could support Tan's whim or stand shoulder-to-shoulder with those who do.

PM SENT

The main thing I don't agree with though is the "too little, too late" bit regarding Bluebirds Unite. Although he's right in saying that this sort of organization should've been done when the rebrand happened, it's never too late to make an effort.

Unfortunately, a season of apathy within the fanbase regarding the re-brand has presented Bluebirds Unite with a huge problem. A good percentage of Cardiff City supporters are now comfortable with the red nonsense, while many new fans have been picked up relatively recently due to the team's success and elevation to the Premier League.

I reckon peer pressure is all-important among football supporters. If enough Bluebirds fans had made some sort of a stand last season and actively opposed the re-brand, I'm sure plenty of others would have followed suit. That would have made those who are either not really bothered by the changes or actively supportive of them feel a lot less comfortable about buying and wearing red merchandise or gear that includes the new badge.

As it stands, a year of apathetic acceptance has seen a steady increase in the red presence among the fans, around the stadium and in the media. Now you have a situation whereby Bluebirds Unite are actually seen as some sort of a threat by many as opposed to a positive influence.

I genuinely wish Bluebirds Unite well - I would love to see them somehow manage to rattle Tan's cage - but I think they are in for a rude awakening when the new season begins.

Seems to me that Dave was ready to quit football, but needed the re-brand or some other reason to tip him over the edge.

That's very wide of the mark. In 2011/12, I attended every home game (as usual) and 23 away games. I ran coaches to many of them. The arrival of Malky Mackay as manager had reignited my enthusiasm for the club, which had previously slowly but surely begun to wane under Dave Jones. Quitting football hadn't even entered my mind as we left Upton Park after the play-off semi defeat and didn't do so until I attended the first of those fateful meetings at the stadium back in May last year after news of the re-brand had broken.

In retrospect, I think I was far too close to the action, so to speak. When you are sitting in the boardroom having a one-to-one meeting with the club's Chief Executive and he openly admits that you have as much idea regarding the strategy behind the re-brand as he does, then the game is effectively up. The man who had the responsibility for running the club on a day-to-day basis at that stage confirmed there was no business plan behind the changes and admitted he didn't have a clue why Tan was insisting on them, but said the board had no option but to accept them. "What Vincent wants, Vincent gets," he said. It was as simple as that, and I've no doubt he was right in what he said. But that doesn't mean to say the fans had to accept the situation. The fact that they did and, more importantly, the way that they did finished things for me personally. There was no way I could support Tan's whim or stand shoulder-to-shoulder with those who do.

Thanks for the response.

Getting close to the "engine" can be the downfall of many a driver or indeed a passenger.
Thankfully for me, (and many others obviously) we are not so close.
As you say though, it is true, many of us have bit the bullet.
I now just want (but then again always have) Cardiff City FC do well, no matter what colour we play in.
I too wish the BU well, but like you, feel they are trying to paint the sky with invisible paint.

Never say never but the rebranding is to far down the line,like tlg says the time for action was 12months ago.to little to late now.

Says he regretted how much time he wasted in getting so seriously involved yet has spent the 12 months in City exile constantly talking about the rebrand.

That's not true at all. But even if it was, how is it a contradiction?

A few posts??. Hes writes post after post, blog after blog about it and even turned up at the stadium to get his mush on the TV to have his say, calling up radio stations.etc. He might not go in the stadium anymore but he has far from cut all his ties with City.

I've written a grand total of four re-brand related blogs in the last twelve months, and two of those were short piss-takes.

I gave an interview to ITV after they contacted me and asked for one.

I've made one appearance on the radio during the last year at the request of my good friend Mark Watkins.

Apart from the message boards, which I enjoy using (mostly during lunchtime at work these days), that's about it.

So why does he still waste time reading the board and waste time and effort into replying?

Why not?

I enjoy using the message boards. Don't you?

I'm still interested in CCFC even though I no longer support the club. But the message boards are usually fun regardless of whether you support Cardiff City or not.

Never say never but the rebranding is to far down the line,like tlg says the time for action was 12months ago.to little to late now.

Well, I for one am glad that they're doing something.
I was embarrassed by how apathetic a lot of our fans were last season.

Tlg what do you think would have happened to City if tan hadn't stepped in.