will SAM

jama, sam hammam spent 6 years at the club, 2000 t0 2006, don't know where your getting 10 years from

at £500k a year (his consultancy fee) thats his alleged £3m investment covered plus his ''£500k or im going nowhere'' bribe. the man was a parasite with a happy smiley face

Do you think if tan left today he would not want his investment back? Of course he would.

Do you think the money he is putting into the club is interest free? Of course it's not.

No problem with tan on the above two points from me, that's how business men work. Look at britains most successful club, Manchester United, do you think the glazers are there for...

A. A hobby?
B. the love of the club?
C. They like football?
D. To invest and make money?

1st and foremost all these men are business men, i haven't said its right, just the way it works.

Do you know WHY Tan and Sam are totally different cases. Because Tan came in and has been up front about the money, up front about the loan, up front about not being willing to spend silly mony on players, up front about clearing all the Club debt. We all knew from the start he wasnt some fairy godmother. We all knew he would be wanting his money back in some way shape or form. He was clear about it. Thats why he's had a lot of knockers, people who didn't/dont trust him. Sam Hammam totally fooled Cardiff Citys fan base. he led us to believe (in his own words) that he was like a Jack Walker. What he did was disgusting actually. telling people who loved him and trusted him he was spending his own cash and dont worry, its my gamble.... then when he fucks up - oh it WASNT my money it was a loan and i want it all back - Black Tuesday he had grown men in tears because they trusted him. he is scum

I stopped reading at the part " tan was up front about clearing the club debt"

Some right nutters on this thread

jama, sam hammam spent 6 years at the club, 2000 t0 2006, don't know where your getting 10 years from

at £500k a year (his consultancy fee) thats his alleged £3m investment covered plus his ''£500k or im going nowhere'' bribe. the man was a parasite with a happy smiley face

Do you think if tan left today he would not want his investment back? Of course he would.

Do you think the money he is putting into the club is interest free? Of course it's not.

No problem with tan on the above two points from me, that's how business men work. Look at britains most successful club, Manchester United, do you think the glazers are there for...

A. A hobby?
B. the love of the club?
C. They like football?
D. To invest and make money?

1st and foremost all these men are business men, i haven't said its right, just the way it works.

Do you know WHY Tan and Sam are totally different cases. Because Tan came in and has been up front about the money, up front about the loan, up front about not being willing to spend silly mony on players, up front about clearing all the Club debt. We all knew from the start he wasnt some fairy godmother. We all knew he would be wanting his money back in some way shape or form. He was clear about it. Thats why he's had a lot of knockers, people who didn't/dont trust him. Sam Hammam totally fooled Cardiff Citys fan base. he led us to believe (in his own words) that he was like a Jack Walker. What he did was disgusting actually. telling people who loved him and trusted him he was spending his own cash and dont worry, its my gamble.... then when he fucks up - oh it WASNT my money it was a loan and i want it all back - Black Tuesday he had grown men in tears because they trusted him. he is scum

I stopped reading at the part " tan was up front about clearing the club debt"

Whys that? who havent he sorted? Langstone/sam hammam/whoever the f**k it is? as a cardiff city fan im glad hes making sure sam dont get a penny more than hes actually due. if a high court judge can turn round and say langstone is a shady entity then i for one am glad cardiff city are fighting tooth and nail over every penny we are supposed to owe them. so apart from ''sams money'' - where has he been less than spot on and up front?

jama, sam hammam spent 6 years at the club, 2000 t0 2006, don't know where your getting 10 years from

at £500k a year (his consultancy fee) thats his alleged £3m investment covered plus his ''£500k or im going nowhere'' bribe. the man was a parasite with a happy smiley face

Do you think if tan left today he would not want his investment back? Of course he would.

Do you think the money he is putting into the club is interest free? Of course it's not.

No problem with tan on the above two points from me, that's how business men work. Look at britains most successful club, Manchester United, do you think the glazers are there for...

A. A hobby?
B. the love of the club?
C. They like football?
D. To invest and make money?

1st and foremost all these men are business men, i haven't said its right, just the way it works.

Do you know WHY Tan and Sam are totally different cases. Because Tan came in and has been up front about the money, up front about the loan, up front about not being willing to spend silly mony on players, up front about clearing all the Club debt. We all knew from the start he wasnt some fairy godmother. We all knew he would be wanting his money back in some way shape or form. He was clear about it. Thats why he's had a lot of knockers, people who didn't/dont trust him. Sam Hammam totally fooled Cardiff Citys fan base. he led us to believe (in his own words) that he was like a Jack Walker. What he did was disgusting actually. telling people who loved him and trusted him he was spending his own cash and dont worry, its my gamble.... then when he fucks up - oh it WASNT my money it was a loan and i want it all back - Black Tuesday he had grown men in tears because they trusted him. he is scum

I stopped reading at the part " tan was up front about clearing the club debt"

Whys that? who havent he sorted? Langstone/sam hammam/whoever the f**k it is? as a cardiff city fan im glad hes making sure sam dont get a penny more than hes actually due. if a high court judge can turn round and say langstone is a shady entity then i for one am glad cardiff city are fighting tooth and nail over every penny we are supposed to owe them. so apart from ''sams money'' - where has he been less than spot on and up front?

I think you're taking my posts out of context, or reading into them the wrong way.. I'm not cheerleading for Sam, i don't want him back, his last year was a disaster.

I'm simply stating the way business men operate. I notice you've failed to answer the 3 simple questions i asked in an above post.

As for tan, if you read back through i haven't criticised him at all, but to say he's clearing the debt is ridiculous, what was the debt when he took over and what is the debt now?

I wouldn't welcome him back - we've come close to being wound up a couple of times in the last few years and he's played hardball with us over this 'loan' as everybody knows. Plus, as has already been mentioned, he wanted to rebrand the club as well. Pay him off and move on.

I stopped reading at the part " tan was up front about clearing the club debt"[/quote]

Whys that? who havent he sorted? Langstone/sam hammam/whoever the f**k it is? as a cardiff city fan im glad hes making sure sam dont get a penny more than hes actually due. if a high court judge can turn round and say langstone is a shady entity then i for one am glad cardiff city are fighting tooth and nail over every penny we are supposed to owe them. so apart from ''sams money'' - where has he been less than spot on and up front?[/quote]

I think you're taking my posts out of context, or reading into them the wrong way.. I'm not cheerleading for Sam, i don't want him back, his last year was a disaster.

I'm simply stating the way business men operate. I notice you've failed to answer the 3 simple questions i asked in an above post.

As for tan, if you read back through i haven't criticised him at all, but to say he's clearing the debt is ridiculous, what was the debt when he took over and what is the debt now?[/quote]

ah i get you. your right. what i meant was, he has cleared off all our existing creditors bar the crook. Yes HE is owed multi-millions by Cardiff City but that goes for all Clubs. Abramovich, the Arabs at Man City, all these rich fuckers could up and leave and we all know they are not going to leave empty handed. Sadly, any Football Club that wants to expand and grow is at the mercy of big business and to be honest that dont just apply to football. This is why the Jacks make me laugh, Jenkins gives it the big un about ''controlled risk'' and living within their means... But Swansea are desperately trying to find that big investor themselves because without one they will only tread water for so long without sinking

Hammam probably marvels at how VT went about the reband.

jama, sam hammam spent 6 years at the club, 2000 t0 2006, don't know where your getting 10 years from

at £500k a year (his consultancy fee) thats his alleged £3m investment covered plus his ''£500k or im going nowhere'' bribe. the man was a parasite with a happy smiley face

Do you think if tan left today he would not want his investment back? Of course he would.

Do you think the money he is putting into the club is interest free? Of course it's not.

No problem with tan on the above two points from me, that's how business men work. Look at britains most successful club, Manchester United, do you think the glazers are there for...

A. A hobby?
B. the love of the club?
C. They like football?
D. To invest and make money?

1st and foremost all these men are business men, i haven't said its right, just the way it works.

Do you know WHY Tan and Sam are totally different cases. Because Tan came in and has been up front about the money, up front about the loan, up front about not being willing to spend silly mony on players, up front about clearing all the Club debt. We all knew from the start he wasnt some fairy godmother. We all knew he would be wanting his money back in some way shape or form. He was clear about it. Thats why he's had a lot of knockers, people who didn't/dont trust him. Sam Hammam totally fooled Cardiff Citys fan base. he led us to believe (in his own words) that he was like a Jack Walker. What he did was disgusting actually. telling people who loved him and trusted him he was spending his own cash and dont worry, its my gamble.... then when he fucks up - oh it WASNT my money it was a loan and i want it all back - Black Tuesday he had grown men in tears because they trusted him. he is scum

I stopped reading at the part " tan was up front about clearing the club debt"

I stopped reading at that point to as i dont think this chap knows that THIS CLEARING THE CLUBS DEBTS hes talking about will still be a debt owed to TAN when he wants to leave so its the same thing

going to the original topic

Annis finally managed to speak to Tan about the rebrand and your hero Sam told him to "shut up about the Blue" So theres the answer to THAT question.

Tan is a businessman after a return on his money. he has never hid that fact. Hammam however, lied through his teeth from the minute he walked in through the door about using his own money when in fact he was running up huge debts against the Club. Now, is that truth or fiction?

going to the original topic

Annis finally managed to speak to Tan about the rebrand and your hero Sam told him to "shut up about the Blue" So theres the answer to THAT question.

Tan is a businessman after a return on his money. he has never hid that fact. Hammam however, lied through his teeth from the minute he walked in through the door about using his own money when in fact he was running up huge debts against the Club. Now, is that truth or fiction?

I agree 100%. Business men wanting to protect their interests and make money of their investment shocker. I'm amazed how anyone's shocked. It's what they all do. Thats business, thats football. Welcome to the real world.

going to the original topic

Annis finally managed to speak to Tan about the rebrand and your hero Sam told him to "shut up about the Blue" So theres the answer to THAT question.

Tan is a businessman after a return on his money. he has never hid that fact. Hammam however, lied through his teeth from the minute he walked in through the door about using his own money when in fact he was running up huge debts against the Club. Now, is that truth or fiction?

One question, do you think that "when tan walked through the door" as you put it, he was genuinely up front with what he was doing with the club in regard to its fanbase, or customers (as wer're now called) ? Of course he wasn't. Did he mention rebrand when he bought the club? Of course he didnt.

That's multi millionaire businessmen for you. That's the real world, like it or lump it.